NEWSFLASH: Lynda Carter approves the new Wonder Woman look
Ken from Chicago
-- Ken from Chicago (who likes the pants but still thinks the jacket is too
1990s)
Professor Bubba
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
The new-look story in Wonder Woman #600 is interesting. DC's problem
is that Wonder Woman is a quality book, but it hasn't been selling very
well. The hard reboot here is explained as the gods screwing with the
timeline, which (at least initially) works in this context.
Whether this reboot works or not, the book is in capable hands, with
good art and Joe Straczynski writing it. FWIW I go back a long way
with this stuff, and I like the new outfit.
Pete B
kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
Well the original one was rubbish, so good to see it go. And leggings
are always nice.
> -- Ken from Chicago (who likes the pants but still thinks the jacket is too
> 1990s)
Hey, are you the same Ken who was seen hanging around the twit chat
room? :)
Ken from Chicago
"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote in message
news:010720101605110649%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid...
JMS' interview on it is that WW suffered from the same thing that hurt
FARSCAPE's ratings--insularity. It was a good show, but became more and more
difficult for new viewers to understand what the frell was going on and
follow.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.26976a5d9...@news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <7tCdnSpJycKiD7HR...@giganews.com>,
> kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
>> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
>
> Well the original one was rubbish, so good to see it go. And leggings
> are always nice.
Traditions take on a value all its own--but yeah, I've always thought she
(and Black Canary and Zatanna and Mocking Bird and Psylocke and Starfire and
every female superheroine) should be wearing pants. She's fighting crime and
doing acrobatics.
>> -- Ken from Chicago (who likes the pants but still thinks the jacket is
>> too
>> 1990s)
>
> Hey, are you the same Ken who was seen hanging around the twit chat
> room? :)
This Week in Technology or Tech News Today?
-- Ken from Chicago
David
wrote:
> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
>
> -- Ken from Chicago (who likes the pants but still thinks the jacket is too
> 1990s)
Well you can guess who's blowing a gasket over the new, "un-
American"outfit
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/07/01/new-wonder-woman-loses-patriotic-costume/
And don't wander into the comments sections unless you're prepared for
the dregs of society in their natural habitat.
Obveeus
"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>On Jul 1, 9:03 am, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
>>
>> -- Ken from Chicago (who likes the pants but still thinks the jacket is
>> too
>> 1990s)
>Well you can guess who's blowing a gasket over the new, "un-
>American"outfit
>http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/07/01/new-wonder-woman-loses-patriotic-costume/
Just from the pictures on the webpage, I don't see the American Flag on WW's
outfit. Sure, it has stars, but they are on a ababy blue background, like
the flag of Somalia or Tuvalu, not the United States flag. I don't really
see any stripes on her outfit, though the ugly yellow bird sort of reminds
me of Oregon's flag.
>And don't wander into the comments sections unless you're prepared for
>the dregs of society in their natural habitat.
Same people that watch the TV channel.
erilar
Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> FWIW I go back a long way
> with this stuff, and I like the new outfit.
I go back to the 1940's. The new outfit is junk.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Obveeus
"erilar" <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:drache-2DFA66....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <010720101605110649%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
>> FWIW I go back a long way
>> with this stuff, and I like the new outfit.
>
> I go back to the 1940's. The new outfit is junk.
Aside from looking too Spiderman-ish, the new outfit is a big improvement
over the bustiers of the past.
Anim8rFSK
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote in message
> news:010720101605110649%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid...
> > In article <7tCdnSpJycKiD7HR...@giganews.com>, Ken from
> > Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
> >>
> >> -- Ken from Chicago (who likes the pants but still thinks the jacket is
> >> too
> >> 1990s)
> >
> >
> > The new-look story in Wonder Woman #600 is interesting. DC's problem
> > is that Wonder Woman is a quality book, but it hasn't been selling very
> > well. The hard reboot here is explained as the gods screwing with the
> > timeline, which (at least initially) works in this context.
> >
> > Whether this reboot works or not, the book is in capable hands, with
> > good art and Joe Straczynski writing it. FWIW I go back a long way
> > with this stuff, and I like the new outfit.
>
> JMS' interview on it is that WW suffered from the same thing that hurt
> FARSCAPE's ratings--insularity. It was a good show, but became more and more
> difficult for new viewers to understand what the frell was going on and
> follow.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
JMS is, as usual, as always, wrong. WW was an awful show, especially
once it moved to current time. And it didn't build on it's continuity;
later episodes were no more difficult to understand than earlier ones.
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David Johnston
I don't much like Wonder Woman's traditional garb (why is she dress
like a flag when she's an illegal alien anyway?), but Wonder Woman
doesn't strike me as the leather jacket type.
Pete B
kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
I'll take that as a yes *g*
Dunno, just briefly browising it from the website :)
Pete B
dra...@chibardun.net.invalid says...
> In article <010720101605110649%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
> > FWIW I go back a long way
> > with this stuff, and I like the new outfit.
>
> I go back to the 1940's. The new outfit is junk.
>
>
Does it resemble the outfits of the 40s ? Perhaps there is where the
disconnect is :)
Obveeus
Unfortunately, the 'nothing but a loincloth' wearing version of Wonder Woman
was rejected by the studio.
Ken from Chicago
"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 1, 9:03 am, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
>>
>> -- Ken from Chicago (who likes the pants but still thinks the jacket is
>> too
>> 1990s)
>
> Well you can guess who's blowing a gasket over the new, "un-
> American"outfit
> http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/07/01/new-wonder-woman-loses-patriotic-costume/
ROFLOL!
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"erilar" <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Would you be opposed to her wearing pants?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do they object to the fact that she's an illegal alien--like Superman?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
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Why is it the Justice League of America when Superman, Wonder Woman,
Aquaman, Martian Manhunter aren't even American?
-- Ken from Chicago
shawn
The 'dressed like a flag' image makes sense given when WW started up
(1941.) It fit in with pro America sentiment and it made it easier to
sell the character. If they are going to do a reboot the new outfit
isn't bad as the old one only works on the basis of 'sex sells.' It
makes no sense for someone that is going into battles on a regular
basis, even for Wonder Woman. It would make as much sense for Superman
and Captain Marvel to only wear a speedo. :)
Obveeus
"shawn" <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:
Superman tried the speedo originally, but when he swooped in to rescue
people the cold air made his nipples erect, causing them to slice open the
people he was trying to rescue.
Jim Gysin
erilar sent the following on 7/2/2010 10:50 AM:
> In article <010720101605110649%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
>> FWIW I go back a long way
>> with this stuff, and I like the new outfit.
>
> I go back to the 1940's. The new outfit is junk.
I think they stole the idea from Tom Welling and company. I mean, if a
30-something Supe can wear a black tee and long black coat, then Wonder
Woman can look like a transvestite Spiderman wearing a jacket.
--
Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI
David Johnston
wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:57:33 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:33:09 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>Aside from looking too Spiderman-ish, the new outfit is a big improvement
>>>>over the bustiers of the past.
>>>
>>> I don't much like Wonder Woman's traditional garb (why is she dress
>>> like a flag when she's an illegal alien anyway?), but Wonder Woman
>>> doesn't strike me as the leather jacket type.
>>
>>Unfortunately, the 'nothing but a loincloth' wearing version of Wonder Woman
>>was rejected by the studio.
>>
>
>The 'dressed like a flag' image makes sense given when WW started up
>(1941.) It fit in with pro America sentiment and it made it easier to
>sell the character.
Commercial sense yes. Story sense, no.
If they are going to do a reboot the new outfit
>isn't bad as the old one only works on the basis of 'sex sells.' It
>makes no sense for someone that is going into battles on a regular
>basis, even for Wonder Woman. It would make as much sense for Superman
>and Captain Marvel to only wear a speedo. :)
Namor made it work. Come to think think of it, so did one of the
versions of the Hulk.
Jim Gysin
Ken from Chicago sent the following on 7/2/2010 1:39 PM:
The Justice League of America has been renamed the Justice League of
Whor^H^H^H^HProducers Who Want Overseas Royalties. The change became
official several years ago. Including the ^H^H^H^H part.
Obveeus
Dr. Manhattan (Watchmen film) made due with even less.
David
wrote:
>I don't much like Wonder Woman's traditional garb (why is she dress
>like a flag when she's an illegal alien anyway?), but Wonder Woman
>doesn't strike me as the leather jacket type.
Sure but she's like 20 years old now so she isn't expected to have the
fashion sense much above that of a teenager. It's amazing that, with
all the attention paid to her clothing, her being de-aged is going by
without notice. I think that's more offensive than her wearing
revealing outfits because she's been demoted from a mature, respected
female leader of DC's current generation to someone who's like 15
years younger than Batman and Superman.
Jim Gysin
David sent the following on 7/2/2010 4:28 PM:
But she has lots of cleavage, so it's all good. Or something like that.
(I chuckled at how the artist behind this tried to sell the new look as
being a good thing for female fans even as he made the character look
even more like an impossible physical caricature.)
David
wrote:
Yes, I'm one of thousands of AIOE users, it being probably the most
popular free usenet server in the world. Stop changing the headings
and learn the simple ways to tell Seamus apart as the rest of us have.
You're getting on everyones' nerves.
shawn
I noticed that but I figured the intention was to pick her up earlier
in her career and build up to what people are used to. From your
comments I guess that's not the case. So de-aging is likely to try and
draw in more of the younger crowd as that's more likely to happen with
WW as a young twenty something versus WW as mature thirty something.
Jim Gysin
David sent the following on 7/2/2010 5:02 PM:
Sorry, it's being done automatically by a filter that I added for myself
and others (as a heads-up) at a point in time when Seamus was in a
particularly manic phase; I don't manually add it to posts.
I'll make an adjustment in my filters, but I think that you overestimate
how many of "the rest of us" are able to identify Seamus, if the number
of initial replies to a new sock are any indication. But I'll go back
to letting people figure it out for themselves, as I can see how the
treatment might be worse than the disease, especially when I keep
forgetting to re-adjust the header for the sane and legitimate AIOE
users (which, as far as I can tell from the groups I visit regularly,
equals you and Ian) and things propagate from there.
Brenda Clough
And who has seen her birth certificate?!?
Brenda
Lilith
Ummmm. Wonder what that does to the Trinity series we saw just a
couple of years ago?
--
Lilith
Lilith
Neither is illega. At least the Wonder Woman of the old continuity
was an ambassador, wasn't she? Dunno about what happened in
Birthright but didn't Byrne have Superman actually born on American
soil?
>-- Ken from Chicago
--
Lilith
Obveeus
They already filmed a movie called 'the 40 year old virgin'. The Lynda
Carter 'Wonder Woman' was lame back (aimed more at the 50s mentality than
the 70s) and the first measure of praise for any new incarnation would be to
stay away from that idea of womanhood. My guess, though, is that the movie
makers are hoping for a franchise opportunity, not a single film, so casting
Wonder Woman at a younger age to start makes very good sense.
David Johnston
wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:37:26 -0500, "Ken from Chicago"
><kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:f46a74d0-5680-4739...@f8g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 1, 9:03 am, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
>>>>
>>>> -- Ken from Chicago (who likes the pants but still thinks the jacket is
>>>> too
>>>> 1990s)
>>>
>>> Well you can guess who's blowing a gasket over the new, "un-
>>> American"outfit
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/07/01/new-wonder-woman-loses-patriotic-costume/
>>>
>>> And don't wander into the comments sections unless you're prepared for
>>> the dregs of society in their natural habitat.
>>
>>Do they object to the fact that she's an illegal alien--like Superman?
>
>Neither is illega. At least the Wonder Woman of the old continuity
>was an ambassador, wasn't she?
Which old continuity? The one where she first got her star spangled
eagle outfit is the one where she stole the identity of an army clerk
named Diana Prince. Then there was a post-crisis period where she was
an ambassador, but really that didn't explain why she was dressed like
an American flag either.
Professor Bubba
<lili...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At least the Wonder Woman of the old continuity
> was an ambassador, wasn't she?
For a while, yes.
> Dunno about what happened in
> Birthright but didn't Byrne have Superman actually born on American
> soil?
That's right. Byrne's reboot has Kal-El born on Earth, when his
lifepod opened and the Kents retrieved him. The lifepod was a
birth-matrix thing to which Jor-El had attached a star drive. It
replaced the traditional rocket. Kal-El arrived just as a long winter
set in, so the farm was cut off from the world for months, and in the
spring the Kents came into town with a new baby boy, presumably their
own.
Byrne had originally intended Jor-El to send a pregnant Lara to Earth
via rocket and have her die giving birth to Kal-El here, but DC Comics
vetoed that.
Ken from Chicago
"Brenda Clough" <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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And what about Obama? Obviously his "no-drama"ness proves he's from Vulcan.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No, I noticed it was being like Smallville, young hero, still learning her
powers, being chased by dark mysterious powerful foes.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Jim Gysin" <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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Actually Jim Lee's version is far less revealing:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/comic-riffs/2010/07/wonder_woman_the_power_of_the.html
As opposed to Don Kramer's version:
http://www.deadline.com/2010/06/exclusive-don-kramers-wonder-woman/
-- Ken from Chicago
Obveeus
>
> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/comic-riffs/2010/07/wonder_woman_the_power_of_the.html
>
> As opposed to Don Kramer's version:
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2010/06/exclusive-don-kramers-wonder-woman/
Both versions look the same, one is just more of a 'down blouse angle. The
real question, though, is: why do both versions look like a 'Spiderwoman'
outfit? I just don't understand the reason for the dark red with black
lines look lifted from Spiderman's outfit.
erilar
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
Without the silly jacket? I don't know. The origin rewrite is REALLY
bad, though; that's worse than junk. It's not even good enough for
composting.
erilar
Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> In article <drache-2DFA66....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> dra...@chibardun.net.invalid says...
> > In article <010720101605110649%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> > Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > FWIW I go back a long way
> > > with this stuff, and I like the new outfit.
> >
> > I go back to the 1940's. The new outfit is junk.
> >
> >
>
> Does it resemble the outfits of the 40s ? Perhaps there is where the
> disconnect is :)
The Wonder Woman of the 40's was the one of my childhood. I don't have
any of those old comic books, but I don't recall ever being shocked by
her outfit when I've encountered her from time to time over the decades.
erilar
shawn <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The 'dressed like a flag' image makes sense given when WW started up
> (1941.) It fit in with pro America sentiment and it made it easier to
> sell the character. If they are going to do a reboot the new outfit
> isn't bad as the old one only works on the basis of 'sex sells.' It
> makes no sense for someone that is going into battles on a regular
> basis, even for Wonder Woman. It would make as much sense for Superman
> and Captain Marvel to only wear a speedo. :)
You're saying Xena was wrong, too?
Obveeus
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> And what about Obama? Obviously his "no-drama"ness proves he's from
> Vulcan.
Obama's brother did work in the military, you know:
http://goingboldly.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/voyagerruss3.jpg
Ken from Chicago
"erilar" <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:drache-2053EF....@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
> In article <ee-dnVj1z4rkrLPR...@giganews.com>,
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "erilar" <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:drache-2DFA66....@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > In article <010720101605110649%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
>> > Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> FWIW I go back a long way
>> >> with this stuff, and I like the new outfit.
>> >
>> > I go back to the 1940's. The new outfit is junk.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo
>>
>> Would you be opposed to her wearing pants?
>
> Without the silly jacket? I don't know. The origin rewrite is REALLY
Yes, without the jacket, which I've agreed repeatedly is far too 1990s.
> bad, though; that's worse than junk. It's not even good enough for
> composting.
The summary of the rewrite isn't as compelling to current fans. It's a
fairly common, aka archetypical Hero's Journey, story, from THE POWERS OF
MATTHEW STAR to SMALLVILLE to BUFFY to STAR WARS, of Heroes with untapped
powers, in hiding from powerful enemy who gains a mentor to their
reach their true potential.
Plus, it's JMS, most of his stories feature a mentor:
--BABYLON 5
--Spider-Man
--Superman sounds like he's going to have the, ahem, average Joe, mentor him
in his Walk Across America.
> --
> Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
>
>
> http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Just say No to medieval books, Erilar. You CAN get that lexiconic
monkey off your back!
Brenda Clough
You are made of stern stuff then. The white jumpsuit? the minidress?
Brenda
shawn
<dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>In article <hscs2617946e80gfv...@4ax.com>,
> shawn <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The 'dressed like a flag' image makes sense given when WW started up
>> (1941.) It fit in with pro America sentiment and it made it easier to
>> sell the character. If they are going to do a reboot the new outfit
>> isn't bad as the old one only works on the basis of 'sex sells.' It
>> makes no sense for someone that is going into battles on a regular
>> basis, even for Wonder Woman. It would make as much sense for Superman
>> and Captain Marvel to only wear a speedo. :)
>
>You're saying Xena was wrong, too?
LOL. It's right from a marketing standpoint, but it's wrong from the
standpoint of proper clothing for fighting. Though given that most of
it seemed to be leather it would be more durable than Wonder Woman's
costume.
David Johnston
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 07:03:12 -0500, erilar
><dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <hscs2617946e80gfv...@4ax.com>,
>> shawn <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The 'dressed like a flag' image makes sense given when WW started up
>>> (1941.) It fit in with pro America sentiment and it made it easier to
>>> sell the character. If they are going to do a reboot the new outfit
>>> isn't bad as the old one only works on the basis of 'sex sells.' It
>>> makes no sense for someone that is going into battles on a regular
>>> basis, even for Wonder Woman. It would make as much sense for Superman
>>> and Captain Marvel to only wear a speedo. :)
>>
>>You're saying Xena was wrong, too?
>
>LOL. It's right from a marketing standpoint, but it's wrong from the
>standpoint of proper clothing for fighting.
Well it's not like she needs protection.
Anim8rFSK
<drache-2053EF....@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
It's just an excuse for JMS not to have to do his homework, same as Orci
and the Trek reboot.
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Lilith
It may not be a sewn on design. It could represent the seams of
separate panels of fabric (or a more protective material) sewn
together. A heavier material sewn in panels would have a more defined
separation border between panels.
--
Lilith
Lilith
Until he went AWOL to the Gamma Quadrant.
--
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Wingnut
> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.26976a5d9...@news.usenetserver.com...
>> In article <7tCdnSpJycKiD7HR...@giganews.com>,
>> kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
>>> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
>>
>> Well the original one was rubbish, so good to see it go. And leggings
>> are always nice.
>
> Traditions take on a value all its own--but yeah, I've always thought
> she (and Black Canary and Zatanna and Mocking Bird and Psylocke and
> Starfire and every female superheroine) should be wearing pants. She's
> fighting crime and doing acrobatics.
Acrobatics aren't traditionally performed in pants. Think leotards and
catsuits.
Ken from Chicago
"Wingnut" <wingnu...@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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Yet pants haven't stopped male superheroes from performing acrobatics.
-- Ken from Chicago
Professor Bubba
<wingnu...@hotmail.invalid> wrote:
Sure, but most female superheroes are depicted showing a lot of skin.
For instance, the Huntress (the Helena Bertinelli edition) used to wear
what looked like a full-cover battle suit, perfect for close-in
fighting. Then they stripped her down to a bikini, more or less. Then
they suited her up again. Now she's mostly bare -- again. The
Huntress is not invulnerable. If she were, there'd be some excuse for
her to run almost naked into combat. Of course, the point here is to
provide a fantasy love object for the readership.
It's not only the ladies. Dick Grayson's Robin was short-sleeved and
bare-legged, and so was Jason Todd.
Mike Hall
wrote:
> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
>
> -- Ken from Chicago (who likes the pants but still thinks the jacket is too
> 1990s)
Are you suggesting that we respect Lynda Carter for her brains now?
Mike Hall
Ken from Chicago
"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote in message
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Aquaman, the one character who has the most excuse to show skin, is covered
from neck to toe.
-- Ken from Chicago
David Johnston
Male superheroes rarely wear pants.
Ken from Chicago
"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
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Leggings, tights, spandex, etc. Male (adult) superheroes rarely have bare
legs.
-- Ken from Chicago
Lilith
But it's cold in them thar waters.
>-- Ken from Chicago
--
Lilith
Lilith
wrote:
The first person who says, "Why not? She's got two of them." is going
to get a pounding from me.
Seriously, I saw a biography on Lynda a few months ago. Judging by
her career decisions she appears to be a very savvy woman. Maybe not
an intellectual but at least someone who thinks things through. She's
well spoken, not some vapid beauty queen who can't answer an interview
question without sticking her well-painted toes, foot and all, in her
mouth.
>Mike Hall
--
Lilith
Ken from Chicago
"Lilith" <lili...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 08:08:55 -0500, "Ken from Chicago"
> <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
<snip>
>>Aquaman, the one character who has the most excuse to show skin, is
>>covered
>>from neck to toe.
>
> But it's cold in them thar waters.
>
>>-- Ken from Chicago
>
> --
> Lilith
Yet he's immune to cold. It's one of his necessary secondary powers.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RequiredSecondaryPowers
Like Flash has to be protected from friction, Cyclop's eyelids had to be
immune to his eyebeams, Hulk needed mass to be shunted to and from an extra
dimension to explain his change in body size, Superman needs tactile
telekinesis to explain why the bumpers of cars don't rip off from the stress
of carrying the whole weight of a car, etc.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Lilith" <lili...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thus the problem with have WW showing so much skin is that her mind is not
appreciated.
-- Ken from Chicago
Thursday's Leftovers
> Thus the problem with have WW showing so much skin is that her mind is
> not appreciated.
I see no reason why we shouldn't be given ample reason to appreciate both!
Ken from Chicago
"Lilith" <lili...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 17:28:20 -0400, David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 17:33:55 GMT, David Johnston <da...@block.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I don't much like Wonder Woman's traditional garb (why is she dress
>>>like a flag when she's an illegal alien anyway?), but Wonder Woman
>>>doesn't strike me as the leather jacket type.
>>
>>Sure but she's like 20 years old now so she isn't expected to have the
>>fashion sense much above that of a teenager. It's amazing that, with
>>all the attention paid to her clothing, her being de-aged is going by
>>without notice. I think that's more offensive than her wearing
>>revealing outfits because she's been demoted from a mature, respected
>>female leader of DC's current generation to someone who's like 15
>>years younger than Batman and Superman.
>
> Ummmm. Wonder what that does to the Trinity series we saw just a
> couple of years ago?
>
> --
> Lilith
Nothing. The new origin is time-travel / alteration story. If time can be
altered then it can be ... um ... unaltered.
-- Ken from Chicago
Duggy
wrote:
> JMS' interview on it is that WW suffered from the same thing that hurt
> FARSCAPE's ratings--insularity. It was a good show, but became more and more
> difficult for new viewers to understand what the frell was going on and
> follow.
That's true of many comic characters. I think it's an issue with
Wondy not because of her origin but because of the changes made to her
overtime.
I think the essence of that character is still strong you just need to
shed, downplay or find a way to explain the baggage.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
> JMS is, as usual, as always, wrong. WW was an awful show, especially
> once it moved to current time. And it didn't build on it's continuity;
> later episodes were no more difficult to understand than earlier ones.
He wasn't talking about the TV show.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
wrote:
> Would you be opposed to her wearing pants?
Personally I'm a fan of the armour-style wondy costumes she sometimes
wears.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
> The Justice League of America has been renamed the Justice League of
> Whor^H^H^H^HProducers Who Want Overseas Royalties. The change became
> official several years ago. Including the ^H^H^H^H part.
"overseas royalties" doesn't make sense.
"Don't want their film to lose money" is probably what you mean.
===
= DUG.
===
Brenda Clough
Yes. The gold armor-with-wings outfit she was wearing in KINGDOM COME
was a thing of beauty.
Brenda
Duggy
> Duggywrote:
> > Personally I'm a fan of the armour-style wondy costumes she sometimes
> > wears.
> Yes. The gold armor-with-wings outfit she was wearing in KINGDOM COME
> was a thing of beauty.
That's the one that sticks in my mind. There have been others, IIRC.
No sure if they'd work ongoing or on-screen, but I think it's worth a
try.
===
= DUG.
===
Lilith
Or re-altered.
Ken from Chicago
"Duggy" <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote in message
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Psst, Duggy, best not to get between Anim and one of his rants against JMS.
Anim hasn't forgiven JMS for "Sins Past".
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Lilith" <lili...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That too.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Duggy" <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote in message
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The armored ones remind me of Xena--or vice versa.
-- Ken from Chicago
Brenda Clough
berk
wrote:
> Why is it the Justice League of America when Superman, Wonder Woman,
> Aquaman, Martian Manhunter aren't even American?
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
We know you have a point, but..... wait. My initial knee-jerk reaction
was that "of course! Superman was a naturalized American..." but then
I recall he has actually been 'adopted' by the League of Nations, er
United Nations so it's a moot point.
btw- Wonder Woman's new costume is the bunk. It looks like an off-duty
outfit.
TBerk
Professor Bubba
<830ac584-545e-4079...@x18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
berk <bayar...@gmail.com> wrote:
The U.N. membership long ago granted Superman citizenship in each one
of their countries, so Superman is a naturalized American citizen.
Clark Kent is a native-born American citizen, and we're sticking to
that story.
Somehow, Mort Weisinger seems to have missed doing the story where
Superman is declared an American citizen by Congress, which is the
legal way to do it.
Lilith
wrote:
Maybe with this new history she'll work up to the iconic costume.
>TBerk
--
Lilith
David Johnston
<bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>In article
><830ac584-545e-4079...@x18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
>berk <bayar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 2, 11:39 am, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Why is it the Justice League of America when Superman, Wonder Woman,
>> > Aquaman, Martian Manhunter aren't even American?
>> >
>> > -- Ken from Chicago
>>
>> We know you have a point, but..... wait. My initial knee-jerk reaction
>> was that "of course! Superman was a naturalized American..." but then
>> I recall he has actually been 'adopted' by the League of Nations, er
>> United Nations so it's a moot point.
>>
>> btw- Wonder Woman's new costume is the bunk. It looks like an off-duty
>> outfit.
>>
>> TBerk
>
>
>The U.N. membership long ago granted Superman citizenship in each one
>of their countries, so Superman is a naturalized American citizen.
>Clark Kent is a native-born American citizen, and we're sticking to
>that story.
Not so much born as decanted.
Professor Bubba
<da...@block.net> wrote:
That's been re-revised. We're back to the story about the rocket now.
Under Byrne, Kal-El was born on Earth when his birthing matrix opened,
so Superman was a natural-born American citizen for about twenty years
there.
Ken from Chicago
"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote in message
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Did that origin survive Infinite Crisis?
-- Ken from Chicago
Professor Bubba
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
I don't think it survived the earlier (by one or two years) Superman:
Birthright. Right after Infinite Crisis, though, DC said Superman's
current origin had not been established. Nothing was set in stone
until 2009, when DC published Superman: Secret Origin. That series
uses the rocket story.
Anim8rFSK
Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
I have no idea what any of the current origins are. The Legion just
guest starred in "The New Krypton Attacks Earth and Wackiness Ensues" or
whatever it was called, and suddenly Kara and Brainy are back to their
briefly held status from between when she died in the Crisis, and they
finally wiped her from history (she lingered in Legion history longer
than most places, except for maybe Deadman history) - they were in love
and he remembers her dying, in the past from his point of view, in the
future from hers.
--
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Jim Gysin
Duggy sent the following on 7/4/2010 7:59 PM:
> On Jul 3, 5:34 am, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> The Justice League of America has been renamed the Justice League of
>> Whor^H^H^H^HProducers Who Want Overseas Royalties. The change became
>> official several years ago. Including the ^H^H^H^H part.
>
> "overseas royalties" doesn't make sense.
Which word is tripping you up?
> "Don't want their film to lose money" is probably what you mean.
No, that's not what I mean.
--
Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI
Thursday's Leftovers
> I keep forgetting to re-adjust the header for the sane and legitimate
> AIOE users (which, as far as I can tell from the groups I visit
> regularly, equals you and Ian)
What am I? Chopped liver?
Ken from Chicago
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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This nonsense is why I stopped reading comics. Sheesh TPTB're rebooting
within a few years without stating what's current? Argh.
-- Ken from Chicago
Wingnut
> "David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
> news:t831365kga3itrvmu...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 03:13:29 -0500, "Ken from Chicago"
>> <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"Wingnut" <wingnu...@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:i0pdu7$h1o$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:55:15 -0500, Ken from Chicago wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:MPG.26976a5d9...@news.usenetserver.com...
>>>>>> In article <7tCdnSpJycKiD7HR...@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
>>>>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/woman-makeover-11059124
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well the original one was rubbish, so good to see it go. And
>>>>>> leggings are always nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Traditions take on a value all its own--but yeah, I've always
>>>>> thought she (and Black Canary and Zatanna and Mocking Bird and
>>>>> Psylocke and Starfire and every female superheroine) should be
>>>>> wearing pants. She's fighting crime and doing acrobatics.
>>>>
>>>> Acrobatics aren't traditionally performed in pants. Think leotards
>>>> and catsuits.
>>>
>>>Yet pants haven't stopped male superheroes from performing acrobatics.
>>
>> Male superheroes rarely wear pants.
>
> Leggings, tights, spandex, etc.
That's much closer to catsuits than to pants.
Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing the odd female superhero
using these.
Wingnut
> What am I? Chopped liver?
ROTFL.
Pete B
81.bb.dnainternet.fi>, dra...@chibardun.net.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.269844f03...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <drache-2DFA66....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > dra...@chibardun.net.invalid says...
> > > In article <010720101605110649%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> > > Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > FWIW I go back a long way
> > > > with this stuff, and I like the new outfit.
> > >
> > > I go back to the 1940's. The new outfit is junk.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Does it resemble the outfits of the 40s ? Perhaps there is where the
> > disconnect is :)
>
> The Wonder Woman of the 40's was the one of my childhood. I don't have
> any of those old comic books, but I don't recall ever being shocked by
> her outfit when I've encountered her from time to time over the decades.
I was only shocked by how stupid it looked :)
Ken Arromdee
David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>I don't much like Wonder Woman's traditional garb (why is she dress
>like a flag when she's an illegal alien anyway?), but Wonder Woman
>doesn't strike me as the leather jacket type.
She hasn't been an illegal alien since the 1980's, and her being one was a
consequence of the comic-book-specific idea of being from an unknown place.
If the US had diplomatic relations with Paradise Island, I'm sure she'd be
allowed to immigrate; she speaks perfect English, has extremely rare and
useful skills that could even help the US win the war, does not need to go
on government benefits, and whatever the quota for her country is clearly
hasn't been met yet. The same goes for Superman (who was also not an
illegal alien in his 1980's origin) with the added factor that his home is
destroyed so he should be allowed in as a refugee.
And she dresses like a flag because she actually likes America.
--
Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee
Obi-wan Kenobi: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Yoda: "Do or do not. There is no 'try'."
Ken Arromdee
>from neck to toe.
Wellm Sub-Mariner isn't.
Ken Arromdee
(1954). I don't think they'd be stupid enough to give an outstanding
citizen award to an illegal alien.
Wingnut
> In article <drache-09D26E.07001403072010@62-183-169-
> 81.bb.dnainternet.fi>, dra...@chibardun.net.invalid says...
>> The Wonder Woman of the 40's was the one of my childhood. I don't have
>> any of those old comic books, but I don't recall ever being shocked by
>> her outfit when I've encountered her from time to time over the
>> decades.
>
> I was only shocked by how stupid it looked :)
s/stupid/sexy/
mrowwrr
Ken from Chicago
"Ken Arromdee" <arro...@rahul.net> wrote in message
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Have either applied for citizenship, visa or even a passport?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Ken Arromdee" <arro...@rahul.net> wrote in message
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Exactly.
-- Ken from Chicago
hielan' laddie
(in article <LJmdndBeo9of1KXR...@giganews.com>):
In the case of Supes... the only reason I _know_ that he would have applied
for any or all of those three is simply because he _is_ the Big Blue Boy
Scout, and he _will_ make sure that the paperwork is correct. That's just
Supes.
He'll _get_ all three without the least fuss because, well, he's _Supes_. he
might as well get them because otherwise some poor sap will have to ry to
arrest him and deport him (where to?) which would be a Really Bad Idea. Even
the Big Blue Boy Scout would object to being jerked around by ICE.
WW isn't quite as powerful as SUpes, of course, but at least she's human.
She'd probably get her status regularised on request, too.
As for Yoda... he was the _real_ villan of the entire Star Wars series. Pure
Evil. Obi-Wan as merely Incompetent Evil.
Tim Turnip
Arromdee) wrote:
>Also, Superman got a "Metropolis' Outstanding Citizen award" in Superman #93
>(1954). I don't think they'd be stupid enough to give an outstanding
>citizen award to an illegal alien.
And yet a 1958 story ("Superman in the White House") did specify that
Superman could never be elected U.S. president precisely because he's
not a native-born citizen. (Although in the same story, Clark Kent
winkingly implied that he could do so, since Clark was believed to be
native-born.)
Ken Arromdee
Tim Turnip <timt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Also, Superman got a "Metropolis' Outstanding Citizen award" in Superman #93
>>(1954). I don't think they'd be stupid enough to give an outstanding
>>citizen award to an illegal alien.
>And yet a 1958 story ("Superman in the White House") did specify that
>Superman could never be elected U.S. president precisely because he's
>not a native-born citizen. (Although in the same story, Clark Kent
>winkingly implied that he could do so, since Clark was believed to be
>native-born.)
That's perfectly consistent. It wasn't called an "Outstanding Native-Born
Citizen" award. It just implies he's a citizen, not that he's a native-
born one.
Ken Arromdee
Under the Byrne origin, Superman was a test-tube baby and the test tube opened
on Earth, making him an American citizen by being born here.
I already gave the reference to him receiving an Outstanding Citizen award.
He's a foundling child adopted by Americans, which should make him a citizen
in any version of the mythos where the adoption wasn't fraudulent. Most
versions seem to be legitimate (they dropped him off at an orphanage and
adopted him through channels). In the Byrne version it was fraudulent (they
claimed he was theirs, having been snowed in by the Manhunters for long enough
that this was plausible) but in that version he's a citizen anyway. So
he's really only an illegal alien on Smallville.
The modern Wonder Woman, barring further retcons, is an ambassador, and as
one she has the right to stay in the US.
David Johnston
Arromdee) wrote:
>In article <LJmdndBeo9of1KXR...@giganews.com>,
>Ken from Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Have either applied for citizenship, visa or even a passport?
>
>Under the Byrne origin, Superman was a test-tube baby and the test tube opened
>on Earth, making him an American citizen by being born here.
>
>I already gave the reference to him receiving an Outstanding Citizen award.
>He's a foundling child adopted by Americans, which should make him a citizen
>in any version of the mythos where the adoption wasn't fraudulent. Most
>versions seem to be legitimate (they dropped him off at an orphanage and
>adopted him through channels). In the Byrne version it was fraudulent (they
>claimed he was theirs, having been snowed in by the Manhunters for long enough
>that this was plausible) but in that version he's a citizen anyway. So
>he's really only an illegal alien on Smallville.
>
>The modern Wonder Woman, barring further retcons, is an ambassador, and as
>one she has the right to stay in the US.
While that may be true, an official representative of a foreign power
dressed like an American flag is, if anything weirder. At least the
original Wonder Woman was a spy so she has a reason to pretend to be
an American.
Anim8rFSK
hielan' laddie <bobbi...@bobbybruce.co.uk.not> wrote:
> WW isn't quite as powerful as SUpes, of course, but at least she's human.
Uh, well, no. She's a lump of clay animated by the Gods.