Re: 20 Questions (Nautilus)
Glenn Holliday
> The object I have chosen comes more or less completely from the
> kingdom of plants. It is mentioned very briefly, but it stuck in my
> mind because something is done to it that I never would have done.
1. Is that brief mention in LOTR?
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Troels Forchhammer
Nautilus <m...@privacy.net> spoke these staves:
>
> In article <hd3sjr$evr$1...@aioe.org>,
> Glenn Holliday <holl...@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>> Nautilus wrote:
>>>
>>> The object I have chosen comes more or less completely from the
>>> kingdom of plants. It is mentioned very briefly, but it stuck
>>> in my mind because something is done to it that I never would
>>> have done.
>>
>> 1. Is that brief mention in LOTR?
>
Of course you shouldn't -- let the lazy buggers guess for them- eh -
ourselves ;-)
2. Is this object's plant-part(s) primarily from trees?
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Raven
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> |: The object I have chosen comes more or less completely from the
> |: kingdom of plants. It is mentioned very briefly, but it stuck
> |: in my mind because something is done to it that I never would
> |: have done.
> |: 1. Is that brief mention in LOTR?
> |: Yes, it is. I should have said that from the start.
> |: Of course you shouldn't -- let the lazy buggers guess for them- eh -
> |: ourselves ;-)
> |: 2. Is this object's plant-part(s) primarily from trees?
> No, it isn't. It hasn't any "parts" BTW.
3: Can it be lifted and carried around by one person?
Wu[1] Ya[1].
Dirk Thierbach
|: The object I have chosen comes more or less completely from the
|: kingdom of plants. It is mentioned very briefly, but it stuck
|: in my mind because something is done to it that I never would
|: have done.
|: 1. Is that brief mention in LOTR?
|: Yes, it is. I should have said that from the start.
|: 2. Is this object's plant-part(s) primarily from trees?
|: No, it isn't. It hasn't any "parts" BTW.
|: 3. Can it be lifted and carried around by one person?
|: Yes, it can.
4. Is it fabricated (as opposed to mostly in its natural states, as it grew)?
- Dirk
Dirk Thierbach
|: The object I have chosen comes more or less completely from the
|: kingdom of plants. It is mentioned very briefly, but it stuck
|: in my mind because something is done to it that I never would
|: have done.
|: 1. Is that brief mention in LOTR?
|: Yes, it is. I should have said that from the start.
|: 2. Is this object's plant-part(s) primarily from trees?
|: No, it isn't. It hasn't any "parts" BTW.
|: 3. Can it be lifted and carried around by one person?
|: Yes, it can.
4. Is it fabricated (as opposed to mostly in its natural state, as it grew)?
- Dirk
Dirk Thierbach
5. By the Elves?
- Dirk
Raven
> Not by Elves. We can be sure of that.
6: Is it ever close (within a few yards) to the Ring?
Hraban.
Raven
> |: The object I have chosen comes more or less completely from the
> |: kingdom of plants. It is mentioned very briefly, but it stuck
> |: in my mind because something is done to it that I never would
> |: have done.
> |: 1. Is that brief mention in LOTR?
> |: Yes, it is. I should have said that from the start.
> |: 2. Is this object's plant-part(s) primarily from trees?
> |: No, it isn't. It hasn't any "parts" BTW.
> |: 3. Can it be lifted and carried around by one person?
> |: Yes, it can.
> |: 4. Is it fabricated (as opposed to mostly in its natural state, as it
> |: grew)?
> |: Yes, it is fabricated.
> |: 5. By the Elves?
> |: Not by Elves. We can be sure of that.
> |: 6. Is it ever close (within a few yards) to the Ring?
> No, never.
7. Was it made by Men?
Cr�.
Raven
> Yes. Though it is not stated directly, the context makes it clear.
8. Was it made by D�nedain?
Kruk.
Troels Forchhammer
> that would be accidental. It's a very ordinary thing, every man
> could make it.
9. Is it some kind garment or clothes?
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Bill O'Meally
> In article <Xns9CBEED26...@130.133.1.4>,
10. Is it a weapon?
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Troels Forchhammer
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|: No, not a weapon either.
11. A tool, then (he asked desperately <GG>)
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Raven
> No, not a tool.
12. Is it mentioned in the main narrative of the LotR, as opposed to the
appendices?
Karasu.
Troels Forchhammer
|: The object I have chosen comes more or less completely from
> Yes, it's in the main narrative.
13. Is it of Rohirric manufacture?
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Taemon
> No, it's not Rohirric.
14. Is it made out of one piece of material or several?
T.
Taemon
> Several. I don't want to mislead you, so I'll put it this way: Before
> production it consists mostly of a practically uncountable number of
> similar pieces, but when it is ready for use it looks mostly
> homogeneous. A bit of this and that is added in the making.
I really enjoy this one :-)
15. Is it meant for decoration?
T.
Öjevind Lång
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> Some of the answers may sound better than the actual object :-)
>> 15. Is it meant for decoration?
> No, it serves a very practical purpose.
16. For protection?
�jevind
Taemon
>>>> 15. Is it meant for decoration?
>>> No, it serves a very practical purpose.
>> 16. For protection?
> No. There are other things in the LOTR than war! My answer to
> question 14 almost gives the nature of the object away, I think.
That's what you think :-) I am thinking of a basket (or some such) but you
said you'd never do it so...
17. Is it found in a city?
T.
Troels Forchhammer
|: The object I have chosen comes more or less completely
> No. There are other things in the LOTR than war! My answer to
> question 14 almost gives the nature of the object away, I think.
Up until this answer, I had been sure it was the serpent-banner that
Th�oden chopped down before he died in the Battle of the Pelennor
Fields, but I'd say that that particular artefact is for both
decorative and war-like purposes, so not that. Back to the drawing
board ;-)
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to starve and thirst
when we cultivate
KNOWLEDGE as such.
The very best comes
to the very worst
WHEN IGNORANTS
KNOW TOO MUCH.
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Bill O'Meally
> In article <7m06ioF...@mid.individual.net>,
> �jevind L�ng <bredba...@ojevind.lang> wrote:
>> 16. For protection?
> No. There are other things in the LOTR than war!
Well, to be fair he could have meant protection against the elements,
protective gear against rough terrain, etc.
Odysseus
Nautilus <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> In article <7m06ioF...@mid.individual.net>,
> �jevind L�ng <bredba...@ojevind.lang> wrote:
>
> No. There are other things in the LOTR than war! My answer to
> question 14 almost gives the nature of the object away, I think.
17. Is it a food, something intended to be eaten?
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Troels Forchhammer
|: The object I have chosen comes more or less
|: Yes!
Cram?
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Raven
> |: 18.Cram?
> No.
19. The briefly mentioned object, is it west of the Misty Mountains?
Corbeau.
Raven
> Neither west nor east would be the best answer.
Hm. Stumped. Unless it is ---
20. The crust that Saruman threatens to withhold from Gr�ma, from bread
possibly baked by Dunlendings, in the chapter Many Partings?
Rabe.
Raven
> The place is right. But a lot more is eaten there and something else
> figures in the story of LOTR.
Hm. Perhaps you do not much like toasted bread ---
21. Is it the bread that Pippin toasts for the three Hunters (and Merry
and himself) in the beginning of the chapter Flotsam and Jetsam?
Voron.
Raven
>> 21. Is it the bread that Pippin toasts for the three Hunters (and
>> Merry
>> and himself) in the beginning of the chapter Flotsam and Jetsam?
> YOU'VE GOT IT!!!
> Well done! Amazing how fast you came to the solution!
Still more slowly than you got the answer to my latest riddle, 21
questions versus 17.
I have done three of these 20 questions threads in a fairly short time.
I'll hang back and let someone else play next, unless the someone else
tarries too long.
Korppi.
Dirk Thierbach
> "Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote:
|: The object I have chosen comes more or less completely from the
|: kingdom of plants. It is mentioned very briefly, but it stuck in
|: my mind because something is done to it that I never would have done.
|: 19. The briefly mentioned object, is it west of the Misty Mountains?
|: Neither west nor east would be the best answer.
|: Hm. Stumped. Unless it is ---
>> Hm. Perhaps you do not much like toasted bread ---
>> 21. Is it the bread that Pippin toasts for the three Hunters (and Merry
>> and himself) in the beginning of the chapter Flotsam and Jetsam?
> YOU'VE GOT IT!!!
> Well done! Amazing how fast you came to the solution!
> I'm not averse to toasted bread per se. But this loaf of bread is
> three or four days old. It must be dry and hard enough as it is,
> without toasting it.
I guessed Isengard from Q19, and was thinking about the toasted bread,
but then I dismissed that because I didn't consider toasting it something
out of the ordinary. And yes, it's perfectly fine to toast bread that's
three or four days old, and it tastes quite good -- assuming we're
talking about real bread, and not that white flabby stuff they call bread
in some countries :-)
But well done, it took more than 20 questions even with the rather
descriptive answers. I think originally the idea of the game was that
only yes/no answers are allowed, wasn't it?
- Dirk
Taemon
>>> YOU'VE GOT IT!!!
>>> Well done! Amazing how fast you came to the solution!
Yeah. We didn't even got to ask the breadbox-question.
T.
Taemon
> In article <hdm7a2$60g$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Taemon" <Tae...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
>> Yeah. We didn't even got to ask the breadbox-question.
> I've been waiting for that question all the time. :-)
What would you have answered?
T.
Dirk Thierbach
I think the "can it be lifted and carried by one person question" is
just a variation of that.
- Dirk
Tamf Moo
> I guessed Isengard from Q19, and was thinking about the toasted bread,
> but then I dismissed that because I didn't consider toasting it something
> out of the ordinary. And yes, it's perfectly fine to toast bread that's
> three or four days old, and it tastes quite good -- assuming we're
> talking about real bread, and not that white flabby stuff they call bread
> in some countries :-)
i concur. toasting totally revitalises bread that has gone a bit hard
and stale. and if you toast it a bit too much, you simply get
crispbread, which is not a bad thing at all.
if you toast it much too much, you get charcoal, which i'm sure might
occasionally be welcome as well...
> But well done, it took more than 20 questions even with the rather
> descriptive answers. I think originally the idea of the game was that
> only yes/no answers are allowed, wasn't it?
i'm back from an enforced absence (my chameleon went on strike), and
enjoyed reading through the rather chatty answers in this round. feel
free to keep that up, future answerers!
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tamf
I see two Gandalfs and church bell. And two half lions chasing
a bull rat each over the lake. (Rorschach tests seen by "Illogic")
Steve Morrison
> In article <hdmlec$fpv$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> (if the question had been "smaller") or "I hope not" (if the question
> had been "bigger").
You know, that raises a meta-question: is the traditional
"breadbox question" supposed to be "Is it bigger than a
breadbox" or "Is it smaller than a breadbox"? I've always
understood it to be the former, but most people here seem to
take it as the latter! Is it different in languages where
"bigger" and "breadbox" don't alliterate, or do other English
speakers ask "smaller"? Inquiring minds want to know...
Dirk Thierbach
> In article <7m8fchF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Tamf Moo <liddle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I guessed Isengard from Q19, and was thinking about the toasted bread,
>> > but then I dismissed that because I didn't consider toasting it something
>> > out of the ordinary. And yes, it's perfectly fine to toast bread that's
>> > three or four days old, and it tastes quite good -- assuming we're
>> > talking about real bread, and not that white flabby stuff they call bread
>> > in some countries :-)
>> i concur. toasting totally revitalises bread that has gone a bit hard
>> and stale. and if you toast it a bit too much, you simply get
>> crispbread, which is not a bad thing at all.
> Hm, I've had different experiences. Of course the nature of the bread
> (or pseudo-bread) plays a big role. But still: heating will drive
> some moisture out.
Yes, but that's usually not a problem if the bread isn't already dry.
Which means you shouldn't keep the bread outside, always keep it sealed
from air (breadbox :-), or whatever). Bread made from sourdough
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourdough, but there's better pictures
in http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerteig) keeps good for at least a
week. It tastes best if eaten really fresh from the baker, our toasted
after 3-4 days. When toasted, it becomes a bit crispy on the outside,
but it's still moist enough on the inside, and you get the extra flavour
from the toasting process. Really yummy. For some reason, it actually
doesn't taste as well when toasted fresh.
With white bread, it's probably hopeless after two days or so, unless
your breadbox keeps the moisture really well.
> I use a common toaster. Is that a mistake too?
Nope, common toaster works fine.
- Dirk
Raven
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> You know, that raises a meta-question: is the traditional
> "breadbox question" supposed to be "Is it bigger than a
> breadbox" or "Is it smaller than a breadbox"?
I would understand it to be "can it be put into a breadbox?". That is
not the same as "is it bigger than a loaf of bread", since more than one can
typically be fit into a breadbox.
Hrafn.
Morgoth's Curse
wrote:
>i'm back from an enforced absence (my chameleon went on strike), and
>enjoyed reading through the rather chatty answers in this round. feel
>free to keep that up, future answerers!
What did your chameleon demand and how long did the strike last? Was
the strike successfully resolved or was arbitration necessary? Which
would be more suitable as an arbitrator: an iguana or a gecko?
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Tamf Moo
[Tamf Moo]
>> i'm back from an enforced absence (my chameleon went on strike), and
> What did your chameleon demand and how long did the strike last?
a nice tartan set, on account of the penguin's tuxedo. i held that
camouflaging in a tartan would lead to head- and shell-ache, but the
chameleon insisted.
> Was
> the strike successfully resolved or was arbitration necessary?
i actually went and got me a gnu one.
> Which
> would be more suitable as an arbitrator: an iguana or a gecko?
a bearded dragon? that one would certainly have style on its side.