[TV] Evangelion 1-4
Gordon Waters
>In <47k299$b...@newdelph.rtsg.mot.com> co...@rtsg.mot.com (Enrique
>Conty) writes:
>>I could keep typing for pages and pages about this show, but I'll stop
>here.
>>You'll certainly hear me raving about EVANGELION in the months to
>come.
And me as well. I knew just what a piece of greatness we had as soon as I
heard:
>And hey, you forgot to mention the KICK ASS opening theme.....
...this. The opening theme is outstanding! Even more so when you have a
translation (as we do, in our sub of Eva $1 we're sending to Anime East ^_-)
What makes this show tick, for me, is just that it's such a total
PACKAGE. *Everything* is done well- it's got good writing, excellent OPM
and BGM, killer artwork, it's paced well, it's got good voice acting, it's
directed to-the-teeth excellently... some of these folks doing OVA's
need to take a look over their collective shoulders, as Eva surpasses a
lot of the supposedly "superior animation" one-shots- quite a feat for a
fr***in' *TV SERIES*!!!
Hopefully, we'll be able to incorporate the Eva OP theme into our Dance
Mix for next year's Anime Weekend Atlanta- it's just too catchy a tune to
pass up!!!
Regards,
Gordon.
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Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray)
Enrique Conty <co...@rtsg.mot.com> wrote:
>
> [massivly insigntful review of Evangelion deleted]
>
>I could keep typing for pages and pages about this show, but I'll stop here.
>You'll certainly hear me raving about EVANGELION in the months to come.
And the penguin is cool, too! ;]
-Ben
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Enrique Conty
>
>What makes this show tick, for me, is just that it's such a total
>PACKAGE. *Everything* is done well- it's got good writing, excellent OPM
>and BGM, killer artwork, it's paced well, it's got good voice acting, it's
>directed to-the-teeth excellently...
A bit about the voice acting. I found it surprising that they got
Megumi Hayashibara to play a character who is not even *close* to
being a perky redhead motormouth (Rei, the quiet and rather spooky
Second Child). Talk about breaking typecasts...
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Enrique Conty
>
>In article <47k299$b...@newdelph.rtsg.mot.com>,
>Enrique Conty <co...@rtsg.mot.com> wrote:
>>
>>I could keep typing for pages and pages about this show, but I'll stop here.
>>You'll certainly hear me raving about EVANGELION in the months to come.
>
> And the penguin is cool, too! ;]
(Pun intended?)
Pen-Pen is the closest thing we'll get
to a mascot, and he looks *surly*...
Keith Rhee
> "If a person likes robot or cutesy girl animation,
> can that person get past the age of twenty and
> still be really happy?"
Some of us mature in our tastes and watch Patlabor 2.
> "Robot animation has come, over time, to fit into an
> accepted pattern, so I guess I wanted to break that pattern."
And break it in *style*.
> "I will not run away."
> - Hideaki Anno, on EVANGELION
Thanks for returning to us fans, Gainax.
>The mecha design and animation is, well, GAINAX. Instead of waxing poetic,
>I might as well point you towards GUNBUSTER, which shares much of its
>mechanical design aesthetic. The Evangelions themselves don't look a thing
>like the pudgy RXs from Gunbuster. These are twisted, mishappen things,
>almost *evil*. (That's what happens when you don't have a toy company as
>your sponsor, kids. ^_^;)
Bandai is *evil*. ^_-
>I could keep typing for pages and pages about this show, but I'll stop here.
>You'll certainly hear me raving about EVANGELION in the months to come.
And thus the person who vowed to lurk in RAA instead has made a
comeback. You don't have to try and argue with the newbies over
silly issues, Conty. It's posts like these that we need from you.
And thanks.
--
Keith Rhee
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Enrique Conty
"If a person likes robot or cutesy girl animation,
can that person get past the age of twenty and
still be really happy?"
"This is the story I wanted to tell."
"Robot animation has come, over time, to fit into an
accepted pattern, so I guess I wanted to break that pattern."
"I will not run away."
- Hideaki Anno, on EVANGELION
Gundam. Macross. Votoms. Patlabor. Any mecha fan worth his salt knows
these shows by heart, knows what they stand for and what makes them so great.
They know about mobile suits, GERWALKs, ATs, labors. They know Char Aznable,
Lin Minmay, Chirico Cuvie, Captain Goto. And soon enough, they'll know
about NERV, about the Disciples, about Shinji Ikari, and about what I believe
is the most important mecha show of the 1990's: SHIN SEIKI EVANGELION.
The background, surprisingly enough, is not given to us on a platter at
the start of episode 1, but enough has been written about it on the fan
press. All the phropesies were true: the End of the World came to happen
at the start of the Second Millenium, but in a way nobody could have
imagined. In the year 2000, aliens calling themselves the Disciples
attack Earth mercilessly as part of a jihad, causing destruction so
massive weather patterns all over the globe were disrupted for decades.
They give the people of Earth an ultimatum: we must stop all research on
genetic engineering OR ELSE. The Disciples leave, promising they will
return to make sure we are obeying. Earth, of course, didn't comply.
The United Nations created a covert organization called NERV whose sole
purpose is to handle the alien threat when it returns. Taking a cue from
the aliens' own gigantic war machines (codenamed "Angels"), a team of
scientists working under the leadership of Gendoh Ikari design
bionegineered humanoid war-machines, the Evangelions. Our story begins
in 2015, as the Angels return to Earth.
[Before I go on, I should explain that this show is *not* an out-and-out
kick-ass-fest. For those of you who only like that kind of stuff, just
keep the second act of episode 2 on infinite loop. In fact, there are
no mecha whatsoever in episode 4!]
I won't go in depth about the plots of the individual episodes, you can
read the scripts at http://www.yk.rim.or.jp/~wadakun/trans/ (bless your
heart, Wada-kun!). Suffice to say the writing on this show is above
and beyond anything seen on TV for years. Intelligent, insightful stuff.
And by this I don't mean that the characters themselves are (they would
be boring characters if they all were), but the writing is. The mood of
the show is serious, not a wild take or cutesy pet/kawaii-fodder to be
seen anywhere.
The mecha design and animation is, well, GAINAX. Instead of waxing poetic,
I might as well point you towards GUNBUSTER, which shares much of its
mechanical design aesthetic. The Evangelions themselves don't look a thing
like the pudgy RXs from Gunbuster. These are twisted, mishappen things,
almost *evil*. (That's what happens when you don't have a toy company as
your sponsor, kids. ^_^;)
I could keep typing for pages and pages about this show, but I'll stop here.
You'll certainly hear me raving about EVANGELION in the months to come.
Enrique Conty
>
>And hey, you forgot to mention the KICK ASS opening theme.....
I don't want to spoil all the surprises. And I wouldn't call it "Kick Ass",
just "very cool". The soundtrack is very good, IMO. Somehow, the mood of
the music keeps reminding me of 0083.
(The Bakuretsu Hunter OP is what I would call "kick ass". I'll
post a review after I've gotten WATCHABLE copies of 1 and 2. >_<)
Freddy Chan
: And hey, you forgot to mention the KICK ASS opening theme.....
Yup, the opening theme is good, but the ending theme is pretty weak.
Freddy
Nobutoshi Ito
co...@rtsg.mot.com (Enrique Conty) writes:
>
>Gundam. Macross. Votoms. Patlabor. Any mecha fan worth his salt knows
>these shows by heart, knows what they stand for and what makes them so great.
>They know about mobile suits, GERWALKs, ATs, labors. They know Char Aznable,
>Lin Minmay, Chirico Cuvie, Captain Goto. And soon enough, they'll know
>about NERV, about the Disciples, about Shinji Ikari, and about what I believe
>is the most important mecha show of the 1990's: SHIN SEIKI EVANGELION.
Yeah, this show is goiung to be a landmark of mecha anime. I usually
judge a TV series by how much exicting expectation (ie, 'waku-waku' ^_^)
for a next episode it gives to me and Evangelion is, in this context,
the best anime since old "Conan The Future Boy". The OP, which starts
in slow acapella like Nadia, is very very good, too.
>The mood of
>the show is serious, not a wild take or cutesy pet/kawaii-fodder to be
>seen anywhere.
In this, Misato will be a key to decide the mood of the show. She is
the only one so far who would say a joke and can release the tension.
Without her, I think the show would be too serious. And becuase of this
her serious words have more impact to me than those of anyone else.
>The mecha design and animation is, well, GAINAX. Instead of waxing poetic,
>I might as well point you towards GUNBUSTER, which shares much of its
>mechanical design aesthetic. The Evangelions themselves don't look a thing
>like the pudgy RXs from Gunbuster. These are twisted, mishappen things,
>almost *evil*. (That's what happens when you don't have a toy company as
>your sponsor, kids. ^_^;)
I thought the mecha (both Evangelion and Angel) very organic. They
reminded me of old UltraSeven monsters. In anime, Kyoshinhei of
Nausicaa seems closest to them. I agree Evangelion looks "almost evil"
but thought of Angel in a different way. Imagine it has the voice
of Ryououki (Myaoooon!), wouldn't it be cute ^_^;;
>I could keep typing for pages and pages about this show, but I'll stop here.
>You'll certainly hear me raving about EVANGELION in the months to come.
I'm looking forward to it ^_^
>>
"Like a cruel angel, Boy, become a legend" --- from OP
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Nobutoshi Ito
non...@biovax.leeds.ac.uk
"demo ne, sore demo ne, watashi wa anime ga suki..."
Elizabeth HL Horn
what they call themselves. They claim to be messengers of God. They
are testing us.
--Carl "I'm just a boy with a new haircut" Horn
"Even though (Evangelion) is being made on the second floor, I know
absolutely nothing about the plot. Maybe that's just as well. But
having seen the already finished episodes, all I can to say to those
who haven't seen any of it is, I don't understand it. Having said
that, it does seem that Anno is unusually relaxed about the series."
--Gainax executive Yasuhiro Takeda
Elizabeth HL Horn
the ending theme. It's in a direct lineage from Daicon Film's use of
"Twilight" twelve years ago. And the song reflects my feelings about
Gainax quite well.
It's wonderful to be able to be a Gainax fan in real time again.
--Carl "In other words..." Horn
Keith Rhee
>ObAnime: is anybody willing to make copies of the first four eps of
> Evangelion for me? I'm willing to provide tapes and such...:)
You know, we post about shows like Evangelion to spark some
interesting discussions, and all we get are bucketloads of email
asking for copies. I know you guys can't discuss anything without
having seen the show first, but c'mon...
Felix, don't you live in the Chicago region? I believe the video
store at Yaohan (Arlington Heights) has the Evangelion tape for
rental. Drive out there and rent it. ^_-
Gordon Waters
Elizabeth HL Horn <zi...@netcom.com> wrote:
>As the proud posessor of the "Eva" CD single, I must say that I love
>the ending theme. It's in a direct lineage from Daicon Film's use of
>"Twilight" twelve years ago. And the song reflects my feelings about
>Gainax quite well.
Hey man- I'm down wid'dat. Ol' Blue Eyes' songs are OFFICIALLY BACK IN
STYLE, as of *RIGHT NOW*. *I* said so. Now you know. ^_^
Man, these guys are so totally froody. Who else would have the insight to
go find such a chestnut, and more than that, have the guts to put it to
such good use like they did for "Fly Me To the Moon". It's so painfully
hip I can hardly stand it! ^_^
>It's wonderful to be able to be a Gainax fan in real time again.
Now, let's get Eva on some American TV sets! Get to work, American
fans and companies!!! ^_-
Gordon Waters
>fw...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Biggles Dictates a Letter) writes:
>>ObAnime: is anybody willing to make copies of the first four eps of
>> Evangelion for me? I'm willing to provide tapes and such...:)
> You know, we post about shows like Evangelion to spark some
> interesting discussions, and all we get are bucketloads of email
> asking for copies. I know you guys can't discuss anything without
> having seen the show first, but c'mon...
I've been thinking about this exact thing myself... OK- here's a question
that's been burning on my mind for a couple of days now:
ATTENTION: ALL YOU COMMERCIAL ANIME PEOPLE OUT THERE:
We've been contemplating continuing subbing Eva past the first episode
(which we did for AWA). However, if *any of you companies have plans to
release it*- PLEASE email me privately, and we will desist *now*. I ask
because I've heard that someone has asked Anime East to not show Eva in
their video rooms for some unknown but apparently official reason...
This makes me really hopeful that the reason might be that *someone is
picking Eva up for US distribution*- that would make me happier than
just about any anime release I have sean in *quite a while*, nae, even
more than Giant Robo (and THAT'S saying a LOT!^_^) We're talking Wings
of Honneamise levels of enthusiasm here, folks ^_-...
Again, email me if your company might have this in the pipeline- I promise
the news will remain *confidential* and will not leave the small group
here who subbed the first ep for AWA. You have my vow of silence if you
wish it to be so.
Thanks in advance for any info...
Regards,
Gordon.
Anime Weekend Atlanta Tech Staff Director
Gordon Waters
HEY! I don't wanna hear any more of that!!! ^_^
That song "Fly Me to the Moon", is originally from ol' Blue Eyes himself:
Frank Sinatra!!
You dissin' the Chairman of the Board?? Huh?? ^_^
Personally, I dig it... it's an interesting touch to the show, and it's
another window into the "psyche" of Gainax... ^_-
Regards,
Gordon.
Nobutoshi Ito
>Matthew Alt (goj...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: And hey, you forgot to mention the KICK ASS opening theme.....
>
> Yup, the opening theme is good, but the ending theme is pretty weak.
>
Yup, I had to go to five record shops in Tokyo to find one where
the single CD of the OP song had not been sold out...
Jae Hyuk Lee
Keith Rhee <qua...@netcom.com> wrote:
> You know, we post about shows like Evangelion to spark some
> interesting discussions, and all we get are bucketloads of email
> asking for copies. I know you guys can't discuss anything without
> having seen the show first, but c'mon...
"How do you get a job without experience?
How do you get experience without a job?"
Most of us can only watch from the sidelines while you guys are happily
typing away... The posts sure spark our interest, but we can't
participate in the "interesting discussions." :}
Jae
Kentaro ONIZUKA
>Now, let's get Eva on some American TV sets! Get to work, American
>fans and companies!!! ^_-
I have a contact with an animator of GAINAX.
I will tell him.
He says "Eva will be more accepted in U.S. than in Japan."
Kentaro ONIZUKA
Enrique Conty
>
>If I'm not mistaken, the aliens aren't code-named "Angels;" that's
>what they call themselves.
I thought the aliens called themselves the Disciples.
The Angels are their war "machines".
>They claim to be messengers of God. They are testing us.
Yes... but how do we know if we passed the test?
Benjamin Ettinger
In japanese, it's "Shin Seiki Evangerion", which literally translates to
"New Century Evangelion", but I've only seen the show referred to as
"Neon Genesis Evangelion" thus far.
Is "Neon Genesis Evangelion" the 'official' english sub-title
accompanying the japanese title or a case of an early mis-tranlation?
(considering how often in the past english sub-titles for anime are simply
wild "translations" of the japanese title into english, like this, I'm
banking it's the show's english title)
ben.
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You might also tell him about us UK otaku who are gasping for more stuff from
GAINAX.
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Seiya Otaku
> If I'm not mistaken, the aliens aren't code-named "Angels;" that's
> are testing us.
>
>
Because I'm editting Neon Genesis Evangelion FAQ on fj.rec.animation
(anime ng for japanese speakers),I can tell my interpretation:
aliens are called "Shito"(apostles) in the anime(Japanese).
But GAINAX refers them as Angel in their Evangelion web page(index-e.html).
Also,"Evangelion" is a Greek-originated word,which means Gospells.
Characters refer to "Evangelion" as "Eva"(Eve in German?).
So,I think GAINAX gives these names dual-meanings.
Gospells and apostles originate from the Christianity as
Salvation of humanity.
Angels and Eva originate from Testament in which the God often judges
humanity cruelly.
Because most of Japanese fans of anime (including me) are ignorance of Christianity,
my interpretation may be incorrect.
> "Even though (Evangelion) is being made on the second floor, I know
> absolutely nothing about the plot. Maybe that's just as well. But
> having seen the already finished episodes, all I can to say to those
> who haven't seen any of it is, I don't understand it. Having said
> that, it does seem that Anno is unusually relaxed about the series."
>
> --Gainax executive Yasuhiro Takeda
>
Having seen six episodes which has already aired by TV Tokyo network
(except Aichi area),I can't understand it.
What I can say is...
Mehas,characters,musics,plots,songs are all GREAT!
as I at first mentioned in September....
>>>>
Regards,
Takeuchi Shouichi(Seiya Otaku)
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Seiya Otaku
> In article <47mmmo$h...@garuda.csulb.edu> khc...@csulb.edu (Freddy Chan) writes:
> >Matthew Alt (goj...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
> >: And hey, you forgot to mention the KICK ASS opening theme.....
>
> > Yup, the opening theme is good, but the ending theme is pretty weak.
>
[...]
>
> Personally, I dig it... it's an interesting touch to the show, and it's
> another window into the "psyche" of Gainax... ^_-
Japanese fans wonder if ending themes are little bit different each other in each episodes,
and singers are also different...
Some fans wonder if Hayashibara Megumi sang ED of 5th episode.
Gordon Waters
>>If I'm not mistaken, the aliens aren't code-named "Angels;" that's
>>what they call themselves.
>>They claim to be messengers of God. They are testing us.
>Yes... but how do we know if we passed the test?
Well, if the human race winds up all taking dirt naps after they come, then
it's a safe bet we probably failed. ^_^;;;;
Otherwise, as in the case where we might manage to avoid collective
flatlining and send them packing, we probably passed! ^_^
Simple enough, ain't it? ^_^ ^_^
OZAWA Sakuro
hairston> Benjamin Ettinger (b...@louie.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
hairston> I asked this same question a few months ago to someone
hairston> within Gainax thinking that it should have been Neo-Genesis
hairston> and that "Neon" was a typo. He replied that no, "Neon
hairston> Genesis" *is* correct. I asked him, so what does "Neon
hairston> Genesis" mean?
hairston> So, yes, "Neon Genesis Evangelion" is the official English title.
Actually, "Neon Genesis Evangelion" is not English, but Greek.
In Greek "Neon Genesis" means
"New Generation"
or
"New Species" (14-year-old children??)
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Enrique Conty
Nobutoshi Ito <non...@biovax.leeds.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>In this, Misato will be a key to decide the mood of the show. She is
>the only one so far who would say a joke and can release the tension.
>Without her, I think the show would be too serious. And becuase of this
>her serious words have more impact to me than those of anyone else.
Good point. When Misato is being serious, you KNOW the situation is serious.
>I thought the mecha (both Evangelion and Angel) very organic. They
>reminded me of old UltraSeven monsters.
*YES*!
> "Like a cruel angel, Boy, become a legend" --- from OP
This explains a lot (thinks about second act of episode 2).
Keith Rhee
[stuff deleted]
This may be off the topic of the thread. But there was something
that was bugging me...
The three pilots are all 14 years old, I take it? They're called
First, Second, and Third Child.
The Disciples warns Earth to stop their *genetic* research...
How much do you want to bet that the three childs have been
conceived artificially?
Just a thought.
Kentaro ONIZUKA
> How much do you want to bet that the three childs have been
> conceived artificially?
There are a lot of misteries in Evangelion. I hope it will be solved
until the last episode,,,
Kentaro ONIZUKA
Enrique Conty
> First, Second, and Third Child.
That is correct, sir.
> How much do you want to bet that the three childs have been
> conceived artificially?
Gee, after all the clues thrown our way thus far, I'd be surprised if
they WEREN'T. (Except Gendo and Shinji's father/son relationship, albeit
strained, contradicts the theory... hmm.)
Enrique Conty
>
> So,I think GAINAX gives these names dual-meanings.
This is noticeable on the different Japanese and English titles they use.
They *do* have native English speakers like Mike House on the GAINAX staff,
so they know what they're doing.
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Gordon Waters
> This may be off the topic of the thread. But there was something
> that was bugging me...
Off topic?? I don't think so! This has begun to be the source of comments
in several places, I see (it was discussed also at Anime East...)
> The three pilots are all 14 years old, I take it? They're called
> First, Second, and Third Child.
"Born" *one year* after the "ultimatum" in 2000...
> The Disciples warns Earth to stop their *genetic* research...
> How much do you want to bet that the three childs have been
> conceived artificially?
Yep, and smart money has it that they're probably from the DNA of Dr.
Ikari, suitably modified, of course... specially engineered to be able to
interface with Eva. Apparently, the genetic mods got better over time, as
Shinji (the Third Child) is able to interface much easier at first than
Rei (the Second)...
That's the theory here, and I can't wait to see if we're right! ^_^
Regards,
Gordon.
who got his Honneamise posted autographed by the Otaking, Okada-sama, at
Anime east... but who *still* doesn't know why Shirotsugh's boots are
blue... ?_? ^_^;;;
Gordon Waters
>In article <quattroD...@netcom.com> qua...@netcom.com (Keith Rhee) writes:
>> The three pilots are all 14 years old, I take it? They're called
>> First, Second, and Third Child.
<...>
>> How much do you want to bet that the three childs have been
>> conceived artificially?
>Gee, after all the clues thrown our way thus far, I'd be surprised if
>they WEREN'T. (Except Gendo and Shinji's father/son relationship, albeit
>strained, contradicts the theory... hmm.)
No it doesn't! Think 'Wasshu' and 'Ryouko'... @_@
My theory remains that Gendo took his own DNA and modified it to allow
his children to interfact with Eva... at least in the case of Shinji.
It makes sense, if Shinji were his *own* child- you're always more likely
to do your own ones *right* (see how Shinji interfaces so much easier
than the others, hmmm??) ^_-
Let's see if I am right... ^_^;;;
Regards,
Gordon.