Best Animated TV of the 2000s - IN YOUR FACE, Baranyi!
Terrence Briggs
premiere episodes aired from January 2000 through December 2009.
BEST 2000s
Simpsons
Jane & the Dragon
Home Movies (UPN)
Kim Possible (ABC)
Baby Blues (WB)
W.I.T.C.H (ABC)
Futurama
South Park
Batman Beyond
Cramp Twins
Magical Doremi
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward
Cybersix
Lloyd in Space
Codename: Kids Next Door
Monster Allergy
Jacob Two-Two
WORST OF 2000s
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewers
Sonic X
Funky Cops
Ultimate Muscle
Celebrity Deathmatch
Winx
Yugi-oh GX
Yugi-oh
Dinosaur King
GI Joe: Sigma 6
Kenny the Shark
Transformers: Robots in Disguise
Transformers: Cybertron (RiD with uglified robots)
Dinozords
Mary Kate & Ashley: In Action
Cleanup comes later. Feel free to add cable stuff for the lists you
post.
Terrence Briggs, putting things in their proper place
Peace to you...
Dave Baranyi
> Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only. Based on broadcast
> premiere episodes aired from January 2000 through December 2009.
>
> BEST 2000s
> Simpsons
I think that I stopped watching the Simpsons in the late 90s
> Jane & the Dragon
> Home Movies (UPN)
> Kim Possible (ABC)
KP would have made a good girls-with-guns anime, if only to increase
the skin-factor (damn US prudishness)
> Baby Blues (WB)
>
> W.I.T.C.H (ABC)
> Futurama
I could never get into Futurama - it seemed to be making fun of the
sort of sci-fi that had already been dead for 50 or more years
> South Park
I used to watch that with my daughter, probably in the late 90s too
> Batman Beyond
> Cramp Twins
> Magical Doremi
>
Whoreami never did anything for me
> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward
There was something more than the first two movies?...
> Cybersix
> Lloyd in Space
> Codename: Kids Next Door
> Monster Allergy
> Jacob Two-Two
>
Where's Spider Riders? (Not quite an anime, not quite a North American
production, not quite finished, too much clothing on the babes)
> WORST OF 2000s
> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewers
> Sonic X
> Funky Cops
> Ultimate Muscle
> Celebrity Deathmatch
> Winx
> Yugi-oh GX
> Yugi-oh
Yugi-oh was pathetic in the late 90s when it came out in Japan, let
alone a US adaptation
> Dinosaur King
> GI Joe: Sigma 6
> Kenny the Shark
> Transformers: Robots in Disguise
> Transformers: Cybertron (RiD with uglified robots)
Why expect a toy-show to be anything but crap?
> Dinozords
> Mary Kate & Ashley: In Action
>
> Cleanup comes later. Feel free to add cable stuff for the lists you
> post.
>
> Terrence Briggs, putting things in their proper place
> Peace to you...
>
Dave Baranyi
Terrence Briggs
> Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only. Based on broadcast
> > premiere episodes aired from January 2000 through December 2009.
>
> > BEST 2000s
> > Simpsons
>
> I think that I stopped watching the Simpsons in the late 90s
As did most people, apparently. The new episodes struck me as pretty
flat, but the early half of the decade provided plenty of laughs. And
hey, the reruns from early seasons have a pretty high "batting
average".
> > Jane & the Dragon
> > Home Movies (UPN)
> > Kim Possible (ABC)
>
> KP would have made a good girls-with-guns anime, if only to increase
> the skin-factor (damn US prudishness)
Some KP fans are notorious pantyraiders. Ask them for Youtube clips :-
P
> > Baby Blues (WB)
>
> > W.I.T.C.H (ABC)
> > Futurama
>
> I could never get into Futurama - it seemed to be making fun of the
> sort of sci-fi that had already been dead for 50 or more years
It sometimes did. For the most part, it used familiar sci-fi tropes,
rolled in some newfangled astrophysics, and juiced itself with a lot
of sharp wit.
> > South Park
>
> I used to watch that with my daughter, probably in the late 90s too
It actually premiered on broadcast TV around 2005. It was my first
chance to see the series. I wasn't wild about the series when it
premiered on Comedy Central, but most of what I saw on (censored)
syndication was pretty freakin' hilarious.
> > Batman Beyond
> > Cramp Twins
> > Magical Doremi
>
> Whoreami never did anything for me
Heh. I've yet to see the original Japanese series. I thought the
North American localization was wholly charming (and surprisingly
moving) on its own.
> > Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward
>
> There was something more than the first two movies?...
Everyone knows the 1989 phenomenon. No one wants to remember the live-
action version Saban did in the late 1990s.
4Kids produced the 2003 version of the series (TMNT 2k3), which I
found flat, dull, repetitive, and soulless.
Fast Forward was the uglier "sequel" to TMNT2k3. It was breezier and
sharper in every conceivable way. It's a very light series, but it
almost always put a smile on my face.
> > Cybersix
> > Lloyd in Space
> > Codename: Kids Next Door
> > Monster Allergy
> > Jacob Two-Two
>
> Where's Spider Riders? (Not quite an anime, not quite a North American
> production, not quite finished, too much clothing on the babes)
You and your fetishes :-)
I found the voice acting and poor audio editing to be showkillers.
Some of the dialogue was so poorly assembled that it made the
characters talk. like. William. Shat-ner... just to fit the mouth
movements. Compare to Doremi, or even Shaman King (which didn't make
my list).
> > WORST OF 2000s
> > Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewers
> > Sonic X
> > Funky Cops
> > Ultimate Muscle
> > Celebrity Deathmatch
> > Winx
> > Yugi-oh GX
> > Yugi-oh
>
> Yugi-oh was pathetic in the late 90s when it came out in Japan, let
> alone a US adaptation
The uncut Japanese Yugi-oh subs I saw plodded along like Dragon Ball Z
without the punches. Generic shonen exposition and boasting. The
4Kids version tried to punch this up with editing and one-liners, but
it could never get past the ridiculousness of the premise.
> > Dinosaur King
> > GI Joe: Sigma 6
> > Kenny the Shark
> > Transformers: Robots in Disguise
> > Transformers: Cybertron (RiD with uglified robots)
>
> Why expect a toy-show to be anything but crap?
The original Transformers series works on its own, in a disposable
Spider Riders kind of way.. I don't hate Beast Wars or Beast
Machines, which tried to be character-driven. Pretty much everything
North America has seen since then has been abominable.
> > Dinozords
> > Mary Kate & Ashley: In Action
>
> > Cleanup comes later. Feel free to add cable stuff for the lists you
> > post.
>
> > Terrence Briggs, putting things in their proper place
> > Peace to you...
>
> Dave Baranyi
Terrence Briggs, hoping Super Dave Baranyi isn't interested in MK&A:
In Action.
Peace to you...
Syvyn11
"Terrence Briggs" <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only. Based on broadcast
> premiere episodes aired from January 2000 through December 2009.
>
> BEST 2000s
> Simpsons
> Jane & the Dragon
> Home Movies (UPN)
> Kim Possible (ABC) agreed
> Baby Blues (WB)
>
> W.I.T.C.H (ABC) didn't last long
> Futurama
> South Park
> Batman Beyond Paul Dini at his best
> Cramp Twins
> Magical Doremi
>
> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward
> Cybersix
> Lloyd in Space
> Codename: Kids Next Door
> Monster Allergy
> Jacob Two-Two
>
> WORST OF 2000s
> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewers
> Sonic X
> Funky Cops- Funky crap
> Ultimate Muscle-total crap
> Celebrity Deathmatch- I liked it.
> Winx- Red headed heroines are cool
> Yugi-oh GX
> Yugi-oh-Didn't think it was so bad.
> Dinosaur King
> GI Joe: Sigma 6
> Kenny the Shark
> Transformers: Robots in Disguise
> Transformers: Cybertron (RiD with uglified robots)
> Dinozords
> Mary Kate & Ashley: In Action
>
> Cleanup comes later. Feel free to add cable stuff for the lists you
> post.
With the best: Justice Leauge Unlimitied- great fan service
Ben 10:Alien Force- Not so much the original, but the follow up is a good
action show.
Star Wars:The Clone Wars- A good follow up to the prequels.
Anime: Blood+- nice, tight story, full of twists and turns.
Moribito: The most beautiful anime on Adult Swim
Code Geass: The best and the worst of Anime all in one, but still a good
story. And the best opening song of any anime (3rd opening Ep. 25 and 26)
Dave Baranyi
Huh? Maybe broadcast TV where you lived at the time, but it showed up here
on cable a lot earlier. (Check out the Wiki entry for it.)
I think that I watched a few minutes of the dubbed version once... Once
was more than enough and even after the early ending of the Japanese
version I refused to watch the rest in English.
By the time the Olsens were "manufactured" my daughter was into Boys and
no longer had the time to watch anime or animations with Dad.
Rob Kelk
>Terrence Briggs <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote:
<snip>
>> Kim Possible (ABC)
>
>KP would have made a good girls-with-guns anime, if only to increase
>the skin-factor (damn US prudishness)
Want to really mess with the prudes' heads? Point out that this is the
sort of story where the villain's main henchwoman usually turns coat and
falls in love with the hero... and in recent decades the two usually end
up in bed together.
<evil grin>
<snip>
--
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"Now I know why they call 'em lemons. They leave a sour taste in my
mouth." - from "Anime Detective: Crossover Crisis", by Pearson Mui
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>
> Star Wars:The Clone Wars- A good follow up to the prequels.
Depends what you mean by "follow up". Both of the two animated Star Wars
shows take place between Episode II and Episode III.
Anim8rFSK
<69529de0-3ad2-4b17...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Terrence Briggs <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Kim Possible (ABC)
Did KP get rerun on ABC? I've only ever seen it on Disney.
--
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His chosen event? The Broad Jump.
Ubiquitous
>Cleanup comes later. Feel free to add cable stuff for the lists you
>post.
Since the decade hasn't ended yet, I am sure there will be changes
to your list.
--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
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> mrman1...@lycos.com wrote:
>
> >Cleanup comes later. Feel free to add cable stuff for the lists you
> >post.
>
> Since the decade hasn't ended yet, I am sure there will be changes
> to your list.
Oh dear, here we go again. :-(
Invid Fan
<robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With the best: Justice Leauge Unlimitied- great fan service
> Ben 10:Alien Force- Not so much the original, but the follow up is a good
> action show.
> Star Wars:The Clone Wars- A good follow up to the prequels.
>
He specified Broadcast, and those were cable only.
--
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'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
Syvyn11
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> In article
> <69529de0-3ad2-4b17...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> Terrence Briggs <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> Kim Possible (ABC)
>
> Did KP get rerun on ABC? I've only ever seen it on Disney.
It was on the ABC Affiliate of Louisville really early Saturday morning.
5am or 4:30am, depending if they didn't run Power Rangers.
Rob Kelk
wrote:
Happens every decade...
--
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"And really, you think people who watch Japanese cartoons would be
a little more understanding of the seemingly odd hobbies of other
fringe groups." - Chris "Blade" McNeil, 20 Jan 2004
Don Del Grande
> mrman1mrman1 wrote:
>
>>Cleanup comes later. Feel free to add cable stuff for the lists you
>>post.
>
>Since the decade hasn't ended yet, I am sure there will be changes
>to your list.
The subject is, "Best Animated TV of the 2000s", which just ended, as
opposed to "Best Animated TV of the 201st Decade", which ends slightly
less than a year from now.
-- Don
Terrence Briggs
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-6C0B9...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
>
> > In article
> > <69529de0-3ad2-4b17-ada0-1eadf6643...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >> Kim Possible (ABC)
>
> > Did KP get rerun on ABC? I've only ever seen it on Disney.
>
> It was on the ABC Affiliate of Louisville really early Saturday morning.
>
> 5am or 4:30am, depending if they didn't run Power Rangers.
Here is the OFFICIAL STORY, for the archives:
Kim Possible, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, and WITCH (i.e. the Unholy
Trinity) were AVAILABLE for affiliates to air in the 11 and 1130pm
block (Eastern time). They were sometimes (but not always) E/I-
certified. I can confirm that at least one ABC airing of a WITCH
episode got the E/I stamp.
Affiliates were not obligated to air the aforementioned shows. Some
affiliates aired those programs at the following Saturday. (Baltimore
aired KP episodes at 5 am, for instance). Some affiliates (such as
Washington DC's) never aired Unholy Trinity.
Not all KP episodes were aired on ABC. I can confirm that Adam West's
Super Ferret (?) episode never aired on ABC. It's cool; ABC reran the
better KP episodes anyway.
WITCH aired at least 6 episodes on ABC and ABC Family, but was
eventually cancelled on ABC, then became a Jetix/ABC Family exclusive.
Terrence Briggs, spittin' it like gospel
Peace to you...
Terrence Briggs
> "Terrence Briggs" <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:69529de0-3ad2-4b17...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only. Based on broadcast
> > premiere episodes aired from January 2000 through December 2009.
>
> > BEST 2000s
> > Simpsons
> > Jane & the Dragon
> > Home Movies (UPN)
> > Kim Possible (ABC) agreed
I hope the ex-Powerpuff Girls fans have caught this show. It really
is a hoot and a half.
> > Baby Blues (WB)
>
> > W.I.T.C.H (ABC) didn't last long
The mean Tinkerbell-haters didn't clap with us :-(
> > Futurama
> > South Park
> > Batman Beyond Paul Dini at his best
Strangely enough, I thought the best BB contributions came from
*other* writers. I don't recall if any BB Dini eps were all that
great.
> > Cramp Twins
> > Magical Doremi
>
> > Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward
> > Cybersix
> > Lloyd in Space
> > Codename: Kids Next Door
> > Monster Allergy
> > Jacob Two-Two
>
> > WORST OF 2000s
> > Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewers
> > Sonic X
> > Funky Cops- Funky crap
> > Ultimate Muscle-total crap
> > Celebrity Deathmatch- I liked it.
I watched it when it was an MTV exclusive, and couldn't stand the
parade of lame one-liners punctuated by lame shock violence. The
novelty ran out in 60 seconds, but the matches would just drag on
forever. Eventually UPN gave it a shot.
> > Winx- Red headed heroines are cool
Watch W.I.T.C.H! And Jane & the Dragon! And Kim Possible!
> > Yugi-oh GX
> > Yugi-oh-Didn't think it was so bad.
How'd you like the idea of supervillians using a card game to
determine the fate of the universe? :-)
> > Dinosaur King
> > GI Joe: Sigma 6
> > Kenny the Shark
> > Transformers: Robots in Disguise
> > Transformers: Cybertron (RiD with uglified robots)
> > Dinozords
> > Mary Kate & Ashley: In Action
>
> > Cleanup comes later. Feel free to add cable stuff for the lists you
> > post.
>
> With the best: Justice Leauge Unlimitied- great fan service
> Ben 10:Alien Force- Not so much the original, but the follow up is a good
> action show.
> Star Wars:The Clone Wars- A good follow up to the prequels.
That reminds me: I have a provisional cable list of greats:
Justice League Unlimited (GREATEST. SUPERHERO SERIES. EVER. Makes
fanboys drool. Makes fanboys out of you.)
Cowboy Bebop (duh)
Home Movies (saved by Adult Swim)
Fairly Oddparents (the superior, more consistently funny Nick
phenomenon)
<snip>
Terrence Briggs
Peace to you...
Glenn Shaw
9cd7-d56...@r10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> That reminds me: I have a provisional cable list of greats:
> Justice League Unlimited (GREATEST. SUPERHERO SERIES. EVER. Makes
> fanboys drool. Makes fanboys out of you.)
> Cowboy Bebop (duh)
> Home Movies (saved by Adult Swim)
> Fairly Oddparents (the superior, more consistently funny Nick
> phenomenon)
Oh, come on, now... don't tell me that you've already forgotten "Avatar:
The Last Airbender"...?
--
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"Invid Fan" <in...@loclanet.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ZoidnYz79M7_KaPW...@earthlink.com>, Syvyn11
> <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > With the best: Justice Leauge Unlimitied- great fan service
> > Ben 10:Alien Force- Not so much the original, but the follow up is a
good
> > action show.
> > Star Wars:The Clone Wars- A good follow up to the prequels.
> >
> He specified Broadcast, and those were cable only.
Clone Wars was broadcast on normal free-to-air TV (as well as Sky's Cartoon
Network) here in New Zealand. :-)
Terrence Briggs
> Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote in news:1349abea-a59a-4a65-
> 9cd7-d56db5dbf...@r10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>
> > That reminds me: I have a provisional cable list of greats:
> > Justice League Unlimited (GREATEST. SUPERHERO SERIES. EVER. Makes
> > fanboys drool. Makes fanboys out of you.)
> > Cowboy Bebop (duh)
> > Home Movies (saved by Adult Swim)
> > Fairly Oddparents (the superior, more consistently funny Nick
> > phenomenon)
>
> Oh, come on, now... don't tell me that you've already forgotten "Avatar:
> The Last Airbender"...?
Of course not. I've seen a dozen or so Avatar eps from mutiple
seasons, and about 24 FO shorts. I think more highly of the FO
episodes I seen than the Avatars eps.
I was comparing FPO to Spongebob, actually. Both series have
performed exceptionally well in the ratings since 2004 or so.
Terrence Briggs
On Jan 1, 10:49 pm, Dave Baranyi <david_bara...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 1, 8:19 pm, Dave Baranyi <david_bara...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >> > Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only. Based on broadcast
> >> > premiere episodes aired from January 2000 through December 2009.
> >> > South Park
>
> >> I used to watch that with my daughter, probably in the late 90s too
>
> > It actually premiered on broadcast TV around 2005.
>
> Huh? Maybe broadcast TV where you lived at the time, but it showed up here
> on cable a lot earlier. (Check out the Wiki entry for it.)
I explain that here:
> > It was my first
> > chance to see the series. I wasn't wild about the series when it
> > premiered on Comedy Central, but most of what I saw on (censored)
> > syndication was pretty freakin' hilarious.
I don't think the show aired on *free* TV until 2005. Sure, it had
already been on cable for years.
> > Terrence Briggs, hoping Super Dave Baranyi isn't interested in MK&A:
> > In Action.
>
> By the time the Olsens were "manufactured" my daughter was into Boys and
> no longer had the time to watch anime or animations with Dad.
Don't feel obliged to watch the show without your daughters, either...
> > Peace to you...
>
> Dave Baranyi
Terrence Briggs, noting that most of his favorite shows have fully
clothed females.
Peace to you...
Anim8rFSK
<91c2fc21-d038-47e2...@j1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Terrence Briggs <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 5:14�pm, "Syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:ANIM8Rfsk-6C0B9...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> >
> > > In article
> > > <69529de0-3ad2-4b17-ada0-1eadf6643...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Kim Possible (ABC)
> >
> > > Did KP get rerun on ABC? �I've only ever seen it on Disney.
> >
> > It was on the ABC Affiliate of Louisville really early Saturday morning.
> >
> > 5am or 4:30am, depending if they didn't run Power Rangers.
>
> Here is the OFFICIAL STORY, for the archives:
>
> Kim Possible, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, and WITCH (i.e. the Unholy
> Trinity) were AVAILABLE for affiliates to air in the 11 and 1130pm
> block (Eastern time). They were sometimes (but not always) E/I-
> certified. I can confirm that at least one ABC airing of a WITCH
> episode got the E/I stamp.
>
> Affiliates were not obligated to air the aforementioned shows. Some
> affiliates aired those programs at the following Saturday. (Baltimore
> aired KP episodes at 5 am, for instance). Some affiliates (such as
> Washington DC's) never aired Unholy Trinity.
>
> Not all KP episodes were aired on ABC. I can confirm that Adam West's
> Super Ferret (?) episode never aired on ABC. It's cool; ABC reran the
> better KP episodes anyway.
That's amazing; the perversity of the universe would dictate they only
run season 4 and Motor Ed. :)
>
> WITCH aired at least 6 episodes on ABC and ABC Family, but was
> eventually cancelled on ABC, then became a Jetix/ABC Family exclusive.
>
> Terrence Briggs, spittin' it like gospel
> Peace to you...
--
Juan F. Lara
Broadcast TV. Nowadays, I feel a little surprised whenever I find
cartoons on broadcast TV. It's like discovering that new releases are still
coming out on vynil. :-)
I'd have to look up a list of all TV cartoons that made it to US broadcast
waves in the 2000's to make a comprehensive list. I'm figuring that if it's a
show I can't remember off the top of my head, it probably doesn't qualify for
"best".
>BEST 2000s
>Kim Possible (ABC)
>Cybersix
I'll agree that these shows deserve the "best" label. I'd also throw
in "Digimon", still the best of the monster-anime genre. Among the other
shows you listed, I really liked:
>Batman Beyond
>Jane & the Dragon
>W.I.T.C.H (ABC)
>Futurama
>South Park
>Monster Allergy
The rest you listed I either didn't see enough eps to make a judgement call, or
I didn't like but not enough to argue with you over.
>WORST OF 2000s
Among the shows I've seen, no real objections here.
- Juan F. Lara
Doug Jacobs
> He specified Broadcast, and those were cable only.
But then mentioned things like Celebrity Deathmatch, which was only on MTV.
--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
Terrence Briggs
> In rec.arts.anime.misc Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
>
> > He specified Broadcast, and those were cable only.
>
> But then mentioned things like Celebrity Deathmatch, which was only on MTV.
Ah HA! Thought you got me, didn't ya?
Celebrity Deathmatch got a UPN run back in the early 2000s. I believe
it preceded Gary and Mike, Will Vinton's stop motion series.
Rest assured, my good man, that every entry on my lists aired at least
three episode on broadcast TV.
Terrence Briggs, forgot to include Static Shock on the list. It's
somewhere between Batman Beyond and Doremi.
Peace to you...
Terrence Briggs
> In article <69529de0-3ad2-4b17-ada0-1eadf6643...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only.
>
> Broadcast TV. Nowadays, I feel a little surprised whenever I find
> cartoons on broadcast TV. It's like discovering that new releases are still
> coming out on vynil. :-)
Ah, vinyl... the SUPERIOR AUDIO RECORDING TECHNOLOGY! At least, that
what I was told in that Patlabor XIII movie.
> I'd have to look up a list of all TV cartoons that made it to US broadcast
> waves in the 2000's to make a comprehensive list. I'm figuring that if it's a
> show I can't remember off the top of my head, it probably doesn't qualify for
> "best".
Are you sure you haven't forgotten something from 2000 or 2001? I
almost did.
I should mention that I forgot to include Static Shock on the low end
of the Best.
I never saw Creature Comforts, so I'll just hope it wasn't awful or
awesome.
> >BEST 2000s
> >Kim Possible (ABC)
> >Cybersix
>
> I'll agree that these shows deserve the "best" label. I'd also throw
> in "Digimon", still the best of the monster-anime genre.
As the resident Digimaster, I should ask:
How did Digimon Masters (the UPN sequel) compare to the original
Digimon?
> Among the other
> shows you listed, I really liked:
> >Batman Beyond
> >Jane & the Dragon
I'll bite: did my pimping work? :-)
> >W.I.T.C.H (ABC)
> >Futurama
> >South Park
> >Monster Allergy
>
> The rest you listed I either didn't see enough eps to make a judgement call, or
> I didn't like but not enough to argue with you over.
Awwwww... you walking away? :-)
It's cool. I need to finish my write-ups for the shows. Dribble-
dribble.
> >WORST OF 2000s
>
> Among the shows I've seen, no real objections here.
Probably because I forgot some shows.
> - Juan F. Lara
Terrence Briggs, trying to employ a dynamic vocabulary for his Worst
of List. How many variations of "insipid", "juvenile", and "stupid"
should I use?
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> On Jan 4, 10:12�am, lj...@ces.clemson.edu (Juan F. Lara) wrote:
>> In article <69529de0-3ad2-4b17-ada0-1eadf6643...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Terrence Briggs �<mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only.
>>
>> � � � Broadcast TV. �Nowadays, I feel a little surprised whenever I find
>> cartoons on broadcast TV. �It's like discovering that new releases are still
>> coming out on vynil. :-)
>
> Ah, vinyl... the SUPERIOR AUDIO RECORDING TECHNOLOGY! At least, that
> what I was told in that Patlabor XIII movie.
It only just seems that way because of how many CDs nowadays are casualties
of the Volume Wars (the Beatles' recent reissues being the most notable
buckers of tha trend). Apart from that, both Tom Ellard of Severed Heads
and David Thomas of Pere Ubu have revealed that the secret behind
analog/vinyl's warmth is...low-level distortion.
Watson
Awaiting more CDs that don't sound like shit no matter how good the music
is.
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"Terrence Briggs" <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 4, 10:12 am, lj...@ces.clemson.edu (Juan F. Lara) wrote:
> > In article
<69529de0-3ad2-4b17-ada0-1eadf6643...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only.
> >
> > Broadcast TV. Nowadays, I feel a little surprised whenever I find
> > cartoons on broadcast TV. It's like discovering that new releases are
still
> > coming out on vynil. :-)
>
> Ah, vinyl... the SUPERIOR AUDIO RECORDING TECHNOLOGY! At least,
> that what I was told in that Patlabor XIII movie.
Most serious music people (both those making it and those listening to it)
will tell you that vinyl is still better than CD. Some groups do actually
still release their music on vinyl as well.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
These "serious music people" are self-deluded, or have no idea how to
use digital recording technology. Once you get below the long-term JND
-- which we have, a long time ago -- there's no difference between vinyl
and CD except that the vinyl loses a little bit of its quality every
single time you play it. OTOH, I can have the same track on repeat ALL
DAY on a CD and it's just as good as it was the first time.
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> These "serious music people" are self-deluded, or have no idea how to
> use digital recording technology.
I think the actual reason is probably that most music on CDs produced in
the last 10 years or so has been dynamically compressed and even clipped
(to make them sound louder) to the point where it sounds much worse than it
could. Vinyl records (at least those that aren't simply made from CDs)
don't suffer from this, and thus sound much better - however, a properly
mastered CD will always sound better than any vinyl record.
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<1349abea-a59a-4a65...@r10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Terrence Briggs <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On Jan 1, 9:49�pm, "Syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Terrence Briggs" <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:69529de0-3ad2-4b17...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only. �Based on broadcast
> > > premiere episodes aired from January 2000 through December 2009.
> >
> > > BEST 2000s
> > > Simpsons
> > > Jane & the Dragon
> > > Home Movies (UPN)
> > > Kim Possible (ABC) agreed
>
> I hope the ex-Powerpuff Girls fans have caught this show. It really
> is a hoot and a half.
Yes. Yes, it is.
With another star performance (only 5 episodes, sadly) of the
late Ricardo Montalban as Sen~or Senior Sr. I kind of think of
K.P. as a "Podkayne of Mars" type character, in a good way (I
like Poddy, too).
> > > Batman Beyond Paul Dini at his best
>
> Strangely enough, I thought the best BB contributions came from
> *other* writers. I don't recall if any BB Dini eps were all that
> great.
I only ever saw a couple of episodes, but I really liked the movie.
>
> That reminds me: I have a provisional cable list of greats:
> Justice League Unlimited (GREATEST. SUPERHERO SERIES. EVER. Makes
> fanboys drool. Makes fanboys out of you.)
Yep. I'd been burned out of the JL/JS and most of DC for quite a
few years, but I really like what they did here (and with the
earlier series too).
Cap.
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of the Best and Worst lists follows the writeups.
BEST OF 2000-2009
Kim Possible, to some, was too light, too snarky, too retro-looking
for its own good. These are odd complaints in a decade that saw
humorless Ninja Turtles, soulless Nickelodeon-esque character design,
and witless McFarlane haughtiness elevated to "mature" status. If
you're going to do a show about a high school cheerleader who
moonlights as an action heroine, why not keep things painless and
jovial? (Okay, so W.I.T.C.H. wasn't afraid of the dark every now and
then.) This is one show that was self-conscious enough to know how
loony it was, sharp enough to roll with its lunacy without
condescending to the audience, and generous enough to give the
audience more than it wanted. Zippy pacing and endearing characters
constantly delivered, with few missteps. Having seen nearly every
animated Disney TV series since 1985, I can confidently say that
(ABC's airing of) Kim Possible is the most consistently entertaining
program the studio has ever aired.
W.I.T.C.H., in retrospect, is one of the best-looking animated series
ever aired in the U.S. Dig the production design. The backgrounds
are on a level with Gargoyles and Batman. The visual effects blow
away pretty much any North American series I can recall. Everything
is so superbly polished that you don't notice the mediocre animation
studios doing the grunt work for the character animation (Wang and
Hong Ying). ABC aired the first batch of episodes, when the series
was a lively, cheeky, Mighty Max-y action comedy with female teenage
heroes. As written by Canadian wiseacres, the girls were presented as
sharp, assertive, confident, witty, and accessible. ABC never aired
the second season, which featured Greg Weisman's able attempts to make
the show darker, deeper, and more challenging with respect to its
ensemble cast. What cable-less viewers got was the anti-Winx: A
pretty, surprisingly intelligent and funny power fantasy about the
coolest afterschool activity ever.
Jane and the Dragon is Qubo and NBC's contribution to the pool of
greatness. (Yes, Jeff Zucker actually managed to do something RIGHT
this decade.) It was a good decade for redhead femmes (even though
Jennifer Hale didn't voice any of them). While flame-tressed female
fighters ruled the roost on Kim Possible and W.I.T.C.H., Jane held up
the opposite end of the physicality spectrum. While other heroines
used athleticism or supernatural powers to save the day, Jane used
wits and empathy to save her loved ones. I can hear some of you
gagging, but consider this challenge: If you were tasked to animate a
mature story with a minimum of supernaturalism, could you do it?
Peanuts did it, and so did Prince Valiant. Oh, the Dragon? If you
grok anthropomorphic beagles, you must respect the even more
charismatic Dragon. Not merely a 10-ton quipmaster, his loneliness
and protective nature factored into some of TV animation's most moving
stories. (Watch the "Rune" episode, if you can.) In short, this was
an animated series that tackled comedy and drama with surprising
grace. Let the crude art and motion-capture animation bother you
later. If you still aren't interested in this series, come back to it
in 10 years. If you've grown emotionally, you'll understand (and
maybe agree with) the reasons I've praised this show so highly.
Futurama is an interesting case. It's clearly nichier and geekier
than The Simpsons. Less convention means more risk of alienation and
self-satisfied nonsense. Remember that this decade was the one that
brought us Adult Swim, and it all makes sense. Also remember how
Futurama stood out like a green Martian in a Fox Sunday landscape of
animated sitcoms. As the audiences for animated fare skewed older
over the last 10 years, specialized playgrounds like Futurama could
sorta thrive in obscurity. With a blank slate and free reign to do
pretty much anything their free-wheeling nerdified brains could
imagine, Futurama showed more than enough discipline and craft to keep
things from descending into the wasteland of Adult Swim's most aimless
excretions. Futurama may have proved (more so than Space Ghost: Coast
to Coast) that this brand of absurdism had a place, given the right
talent.
Static Shock is the best Spider-man series ever animated. I know,
it's technically not Spider-man, but it achieved all of Spider-man's
best aspirations: An intelligent and witty protagonist; well-developed
relationships between characters of all ages; big ideas (Bigotry!
Ethnic Consciousness!) handled with subtle humanity; clever and
imaginative applications for superhuman powers beyond mere pugilism.
It was one of the decade's highest-rated animated series, so don't
tell me that black leads can't attract large audiences. Do I wish the
series had better animation and fewer soulless celebrity cameos?
Yes. That list of gripes is far shorter than the gripe lists I
compiled for each and every Spider-man series I've seen. Those who
would animate the next Spider-man series (or any power fantasy for
young audiences) should take note: Static Shock has the storytelling
goods.
WORST OF 2000-2009
Winx is everything wrong with "girl power" cartoons, wrapped in
gauche, paper-mache craftsmanship. The editing of the voices and
visuals sucked. The character designs were slinky-dink ghastly. The
dialogue rarely rose above abominable campiness. The special effects
were garish. Even FUNDAMENTAL STUFF like camera pans and zoom were
sloppy. The music laid on the Barbie-commercial tunelessness so
heavily that it sent self-conscious viewers into paroxyms of shame.
Like the worst DiC shows of the past 20 years, Winx trafficked in
ineptitude so boldly that its amateurishness almost achieved
something... and it doesn't even deserve THAT. The fact that well-
meaning women actually *LIKED* this show is no excuse for its
aesthetic failures. In a decade that gave us Kim Possible, WITCH, and
even Magical Doremi (4Kids' superior girly girl magical adventure)
this is unacceptable.
Mary-Kate and Ashley: In Action isn't the only ugly show on either
list (plenty of ugly shows appear on my "Best Of" list), but it's a
special kind of ugly. Like Winx (and Mythic Warriors last decade),
it's a series that uses computer-aided functionality so poorly that
you have to wonder the value that anyone saw in it. We aren't talking
about poorly rendered and animated CGI models (see: Transformers:
Cybertron and Dinosaur King), we're talking about basic stuff: scene
transitions, split-screens and other video editing tricks. It's like
the Olsen Twins invited their kid cousins into the editing room and
let them screw around with Adobe Premiere. The results could have
been improved by yours truly in 4 hours... by eliminating them.
Combine that with leaden vocal performances by the Twins,
incompetently stiff animation of unimaginative, slinky-dink
characters, and brain-dead scripts that repeatedly pummel Today's
Lesson into your head so that no objective quantitative analysis can
find fault. The final result is a product so abysmal, it makes one
pine for the craftsmanship of an Olsen Twins theatrical film.
Transformers: Robots in Disguise proves that technically competent
animation can be wasted on things that shouldn't be drawn. Why are
there wild takes and anime sweat beads for the ROBOTS in this juvenile
action series? Because the producers think that inane comedy always
has its place. This is just another kiddie-grade action comedy that
traffics in bumbling, buffoonish characters ambling through insipid,
witless plots. So what if the bumbling buffoons happen to be robots?
If this series were a generic anime action comedy with no connection
to an established, toyetic universe, I doubt anyone would give two
whips about it.
Transformers: Cybertron may be the worst conceivable Transformers
product that North American audiences are legally able to see. It is
worse than Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen. It is worse than
the unfairly maligned Beast Machines. It's THAT bad. The scripts are
written by middle schoolers for an audience of grace schoolers. The
robots, so elegantly designed in the past, are now poorly-shaded CGI
junk piles that stick out like sore thumbs next to the traditionally
drawn anime humanoids. (The Quintesson engineers are getting tipsy in
their old age.) Those robots used to transform with no fuss in the
past. Now they STOP THE WORLD WITH A HYPERBOLIC SONG AND DANCE NUMBER
every time they pull out a weapon. (The stench of the Power Rangers'
worst ideas has spread.) For those above the age of reason, Cybertron
is guilty of the gravest commercial scam: It cynically trades on a
legitimate affection for the idea of anthropomorphic transforming
machines by presuming that the audience doesn't care if a story is
competently told.
[VERIFY THIS INFO: This series introduced North American TV audiences
to the abominable "talents" of Gonzo, which may be the Ewe Boll of
anime studios. Many of their shows appear in the bottom 10 percentile
of animated series: The Tormented Tenth (and that's just the stuff
that escaped Japan).]
Speaking of poorly-rendered CGI robots slapped sloppily alongside
poorly-drawn anime characters... does any remember Dinozords? My
apologies for reminding you. Allow me to finish what I started (read:
prolong the pain): Legendary anime localizer Tom "Teknoman" Wyner
decided to do us a solid, bringing over this tripe. It was so
aesthetically repugnant, it prevented me from including Dinosaur King
on my list.
Yugi-oh is a phenomenon that is all wrong, because it was based on one
Very Wrong Idea: Supervillians do not play bridge. A James-Bondian
desire to play poker for money is one thing; a megalomanic will not
stop to play Magic: The Gathering. I hate to raise a stink about
this, since I'm always defending shows based around dumb concepts
(see: pretty much every show on my "Best of" List). This one grated
because it's a spectacularly stupid variation of my least favorite
genre: the metaphysical wrestling genre. Characters talk about
battling, unleash a single attack, lather, rinse, then repeat. Yugi-
oh is worse: It's Dragon Ball Z without punching. While the actors
bluster, bluff, and bloviate for an enternity, at some point you
realize that the blustering is supposed to be game strategy,
arbitrarily applied to protract the confrontations, until a point
where the hero can arbitrarily apply a dues-ex-machina device to win
the day. The storytellers make things up as they go along, but the
lack of imagination or earned surprise borders on infuriating. The
success of this series was attributed to the maturation of Pokemon
babies weaned on anime visual techniques. If the juvenile chippiness
of Pokemon didn't drive them away, the inanity of Yugi-oh's
inauthentic and arbitrary action drama couldn't have helped.
(Naruto's verbal and narrative filler may completely end their
interest in anime storytelling.) I hope the Pokemon generation hasn't
sworn off anime by now. At least, I hope they've sought out the
comptent anime antidotes to these undeservedly popular shows. If they
haven't, I fear something worse has happened: an entire generation of
kids has grown up associating these nonsensical narrative tropes with
good storytelling.
To be continued...
On Jan 1, 8:07 pm, Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only. Based on broadcast
> premiere episodes aired from January 2000 through December 2009.
>
> BEST 2000s
> Simpsons
> Jane & the Dragon
> Home Movies (UPN)
> Kim Possible (ABC)
> Baby Blues (WB)
>
> W.I.T.C.H (ABC)
> Futurama
> South Park
> Batman Beyond
> Cramp Twins
> Magical Doremi
>
> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward
> Cybersix
> Lloyd in Space
> Codename: Kids Next Door
> Monster Allergy
> Jacob Two-Two
>
> WORST OF 2000s
> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewers
> Sonic X
> Funky Cops
> Ultimate Muscle
> Celebrity Deathmatch
> Winx
> Yugi-oh GX
> Yugi-oh
> Dinosaur King
> GI Joe: Sigma 6
> Kenny the Shark
> Transformers: Robots in Disguise
> Transformers: Cybertron (RiD with uglified robots)
> Dinozords
> Mary Kate & Ashley: In Action
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Your Name
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> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> > Your Name wrote:
> >> "Terrence Briggs" <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> >>
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> >>> On Jan 4, 10:12 am, lj...@ces.clemson.edu (Juan F. Lara) wrote:
> >>>> In article
> >> <69529de0-3ad2-4b17-ada0-1eadf6643...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>> Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only.
> >>>> Broadcast TV. Nowadays, I feel a little surprised whenever I find
> >>>> cartoons on broadcast TV. It's like discovering that new releases are
> >>>
> >>> Ah, vinyl... the SUPERIOR AUDIO RECORDING TECHNOLOGY! At least,
> >>> that what I was told in that Patlabor XIII movie.
> >>
> >> Most serious music people (both those making it and those listening to
> >> it) will tell you that vinyl is still better than CD. Some groups do
actually
> >> still release their music on vinyl as well.
> >
> > These "serious music people" are self-deluded, or have no idea how
> > to use digital recording technology. Once you get below the long-term
> > JND -- which we have, a long time ago -- there's no difference between
> > vinyl and CD except that the vinyl loses a little bit of its quality
> > every single time you play it. OTOH, I can have the same track on repeat
> > ALL DAY on a CD and it's just as good as it was the first time.
>
> I second that, and for a follow=up, try popping a vinyl disc in your car
> stereo, oops, won't fit. *__*;
Simply being smaller doesn't actually mean it is also better quality.
Technically you could add a vinyl player to your car's music system, put it
would be pretty hopeless trying to use it on bumpy journeys. :-)
> > I can have the same track on repeat ALL DAY on a CD and it's just
> > as good as it was the first time.
Yes, "just as good as [the CD version] was the first time" ... but that's
not neceassairly as good as the live or vinyl versions. Not that I care
either way since I have absoultely no interest in music (I have no music CDs
at all, only a few old vinyl version of the Star Wars movies ... maybe an
old Smurfs record as well). :-)
Default User
> I second that, and for a follow=up, try popping a vinyl disc in your
> car stereo, oops, won't fit. *__*;
A CD won't fit in mine either.
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> Inu-Yasha wrote:
>
> > I second that, and for a follow=up, try popping a vinyl disc in your
> > car stereo, oops, won't fit. *__*;
>
> A CD won't fit in mine either.
Mine neither come to think of it ... cassette tapes will fit, but I've never
put one in even though I do have a couple of audio books on tape. :-)
Bill Martin
> Provisional groupings... for broadcast TV only. Based on broadcast
> premiere episodes aired from January 2000 through December 2009.
>
> BEST 2000s
> Simpsons
Gone downhill. Seriously, what's left after 20 years? They've done
enough prequel and potential future stuff...
> Jane & the Dragon
I've caught a few episodes, I like it, but I prefer the VeggieTales
from the Qubo block.
> Home Movies (UPN)
Any relation to the Comedy Central show?
> Kim Possible (ABC)
Of course, a hot redhead cheerleader who fights crime in her spare
time, has an older, just as hot, nemesis named Shego who's green to
Kim's red. What's not to like?
> Baby Blues (WB)
Meh, I like the comic strip, show not so much.
> W.I.T.C.H (ABC)
Never saw a single episode.
> Futurama
Is it still on? When it's good, it's great. When it's not, it's nails
on a chalkboard.
> South Park
Good on occasion, but way too many "envelope pushing" moments to be great.
> Batman Beyond
I would take this whole series over every other one listed here,
besides Kim Possible, any day of the week.
> Cramp Twins
How about no. I can't even make it to the second commercial break.
First one rolls around and I change the channel.
> Magical Doremi
See "Cramp Twins"
> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward
Okay, as long as it's not a repeat.
> Cybersix
> Lloyd in Space
Huh? Never heard of either of those...
> Codename: Kids Next Door
Good. If I was younger, it might even be labeled great, but I'm not
the target audience.
> Monster Allergy
How many episodes did this even get? I saw two episodes, and it went
the way of the dodo around here.
> Jacob Two-Two
Huh?
> WORST OF 2000s
> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewers
How did this fit into the TMNT Fast Forward timeline?
> Sonic X
Decent. As long as it wasn't a repeat, I'd watch an episode.
> Funky Cops
Huh?
> Ultimate Muscle
Blame 4Kids!
> Celebrity Deathmatch
When it's good, it's awesome, when it's not, it's tolerable, but there
are some stinkers.
> Winx
Has it's moments, but not enough to redeem watching the dull, boring parts.
> Yugi-oh GX
> Yugi-oh
Guess you had to have been a fan of the manga...
> Dinosaur King
Just doesn't look right to me. Seems like no one can mix CGI and cels
decently in anime.
> GI Joe: Sigma 6
Didn't need a reboot of the show. Guess I'm too attached to the old
show. The ninja parts were the only part I liked.
> Kenny the Shark
> Transformers: Robots in Disguise
> Transformers: Cybertron (RiD with uglified robots)
Never caught.
> Dinozords
See "Dinosaur King."
> Mary Kate & Ashley: In Action
Huh?
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