Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early Saluki's???  looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.

I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to be subtle differences.

I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located them

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

[Justin, Oakland]

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

-J

[John Hawrylak]

Justin

 

Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, like they did for the Blerliot.

 

 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

 

 

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Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

-J

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[Bill Lindsay]

Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Bleriot and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html

Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Hilsen and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html

What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B Hilsen and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally identical.  In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 54cm Saluki, built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you would crash because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.  

Bill Lindsay

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[Joe Bernard]

In what in hindsight now seems a rather rare occurrence, I've owned both a 54cm Saluki and Hilsen, and they both used the same parts. It's the same bike.

[iamkeith]

Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.

The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before tektro made the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake, so it has cantilever brakes. That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.

Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire or fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect that bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners. Perhaps someone else knows.

[Tim Gavin]

All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender clearance than Tektro R559s.

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[DB]

Here's an old page from the Rivendell site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050609023738/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:54:39 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:

All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender clearance than Tektro R559s.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:52 AM, iamkeith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:

Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.

The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before tektro made the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake,  so it has cantilever brakes.  That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.

Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire or fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect that bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners.  Perhaps someone else knows.

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[Les Lammers]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 8:36:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Bleriot and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html

Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Hilsen and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html

What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B Hilsen and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally identical.  In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 54cm Saluki, built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you would crash because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

 

Wild Bill, that made my day. :-) The Bleriot was purported to be the poor guys Saluki. So all three may be very similar riding.

[John Hawrylak]

Bill

Thanks for the 2 links.  I found the 1st, but not the 2nd.   I was hoping for a RBW write up focusing on the Saluki, but it seems there is none.  The 2 links are like A vs B and B vs C, B + Saluki.   I remember the write ups on the AHH (country bike, Honus Wagner) and the Blerliot (known name, nice link to aviation), but can not recall a Saluki hype.   It seems like RBW was going through a major re-thinking of their direction at the time of the Saluki

Subtle Differences, really just wanted to know if any exists. I totally agree with your BLINDFOLD reasoning. 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown Nj

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 8:36:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

[John Hawrylak]

Joe

Thanks for the insight.  Do you still have them, or did something else replace them??

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

[John Hawrylak]

DB

Thanks for the link to the RBW write up.  Just what I was looking for.  I vaguely remember it, 12 - 13 years ago??

The PH / SH chart was invaluable.  it confirms a 54cm is my size and I could fit a 56cm, although the 57cm TT may be a challenge.

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

[John Hawrylak]

Thanks to all who provided the Saluki links and shared their experiences.  It was just what I was looking for.

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

[Fullylugged]

Saluki was made In Osaka by Toyo. Hilsens are made in WI by Waterford. GP has said build quality is equal at both places back when some frames were coming from both places, but the tubing used is different in each location. Saluki used high quality Japanese tubing. I don't know what tubing W'Ford has these days, since True Temper no longer supplies bike tubes. I'm sure it's good, but that might lead to some variation in the feel of the bike. IIRC, the TT and DT on Saluki (and Rambouillet) were heat treated while the rest of the tubes were not. Don't know about current Hilsen. Not sure I could tell even there is a difference! Tires might affect the feel more.

Let us know how your bike odyssey goes.

Bruce

[Toshi Takeuchi]

As a youngster, I rode my bike in the courtyard of my apartment building complex over and over in circles.  I had the bright idea that I did that circle so many times that I could ride it with my eyes closed. I tried it and ended up with six stitches in my forehead after gashing it on top of a metal fence.  I experienced the wisdom of Bill's words the hard way.

Toshi

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[Joe Bernard]

Oh no, they're long gone, John. Each sale of a bike has its specific story, but the reality is I go through a lot of bikes (I don't recommend this expensive habit). I like bicycles as mechanical and artistic objects, and there's a little voice in my head that often whispers "you only get so many bikes in your life." So I tend to enjoy them for a while, then move on to another visual and tactile experience. Sometimes I chuckle at Grant's "lifetime bicycle" copy on the website: Why would I keep a bike for a whole lifetime?? ;-)

[Bruce]

This is too funny.  How many Rivendell models are no longer being made?  No such thing as a "lifetime model."  Atlantis comes closest, but it's day will come I thnk.

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[Joe Bernard]

"Lifetime model" is "bike that will outlast you." Which is definitely true of Rivendells, and not at all true of the stuff ridden in the Tour de France this year.

[Orc]

The machines in the TdF are beaten to death by racers, so this isn't a particularly good comparison?

-david parsons

[Joe Bernard]

The machines in the TdF are carbon racers sold to hardcore roadies, so it's an excellent comparison. They are not lifetime frames.

[KenP]

Hi John,

   I had an early 50 canti Saluki, but found it too small; then sold it and got a 54 sidepull Saluki;  My pbh 79.5; the 54 fits better.  I liked the cantilever brakes better though because they stopped better and opened easier. And I like the 650B wheel size.  However these days I'm beginning to like bikes with wider tires for the local trails.   

Ken, 

Virginia

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:28:16 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:

[Michael Hechmer]

I'm late to this discussion and have not been able to follow all of the rather cryptic postings, but.....  I have an early, canti, grey Saluki which, over time has become my most ridden bike.  It's just so comfortable, so versatile, so ...perfect.  I have a soft spot in my heart for my Rambouilet, but the Saluki guides over so much bad road with ease.  I currently run 38's but intend to go with Compass 41s under VO fenders.

Michael

[Justin August]

Who has aluminum fenders on theirs with 42mm tires and what do you use?

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[DB]

I've used the VO Zeppelin fenders with 42s. There was not a ton of room under the fender but it worked fine.

[Dave Johnston]

Michael,

Compass has just increased their 42mm tire by 1.5mm so the fit will only get tighter. You might want to try some older ones. The 1.75" Pari-moto is measuring between 40-41mm for most people on a rim like the synergy.

-Dave

[Tony DeFilippo]

I really 42mm GB EL Hetres with the sks fenders for a while. Tight but manageable. I've been running the 1.75" parimotos for about 2 years now under berthoud steel fenders and want to compass tires next... I saw the new BSP 42's are going to be wider and tube less compatible which has me worried about space. I may try it anyway, I think the critical spot is at the chainstay yoke and I could probably take a Dremel to the fender there and open up some room.

If not maybe I'll go back to the Hetres. The parimotos are fine but don't have that 'magic'... (Or amazing marketing)

When I do it I'll share pictures. My A23 rims are supposedly also tubeless ready so I might mess around with that to.

Tony

[rob markwardt]

I was digging through my old Readers last night (weren't those a blast!) and this is the oldest Saluki article I could find (issue 33).  It mentions a "Big Saluki report in the next issue" but looking through #34 I don't see much specifically about Saluki's...lots of talk about 650b though.  #35 has an article on country bikes and uses a side shot of a Saluki.

[rob markwardt]

Here's the country bike article.  

[Joe Bernard]

Remember when Riv stuff came on paper in the mail and 650B was that crazy idea that would never catch on? Good times!

[John Hawrylak]

Rob

Thanks for the 2 RR articles.  I vaguely remember these, but not paying full attention at the time.  GP was certainty besting the 650B drum at the time and it seems history proved him much more right than wrong

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

[Les Lammers]

Too bad that the Bleriot project did not work out. A lot more folks would be really enjoying cycling if it did.

 

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 11:44:13 AM UTC-4, rob markwardt wrote: