OTT: 10 speed X Wide Low(2x)?

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Coconutbill

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May 5, 2017, 5:17:49 PM5/5/17
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Im curious about whether anyone here has has experimented with a drive train like this: 10 speed rear cassette (for instance 11-42), in combination with a Sugino Wide Low crankset.
The logical concern would be whether or not the chain would get stuck between the rear cogs, as the Wide Low is meant for up to 9 speed.
Is it possible that with the correct gearing this could work?

Orc

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May 5, 2017, 5:29:04 PM5/5/17
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I've done a 10-speed chain with a Sugino 0x801d, which is similarly meant for up to 9 speed.   Biopace, so I couldn't do anything fancy with the rings to get them closer together, but no chain suck, even with 48/28 chainrings.

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Patrick Moore

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May 5, 2017, 7:16:57 PM5/5/17
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I don't understand: why would the chain get caught between the rear cogs of a 10 speed cassette? They're closer together than 9 are. Do you mean, the narrower chain might get caught between the chainrings, being "9 speed" and not 10?

As far as it working, I don't see why not. I'm using an old Ritchey Logic crankset, from the 8 speed era (?) with a home brew 10 speed and it works fine; High/Low: 42/28.  I've used 5 speed era cranks (TA Pro 5 Vis), again, High/Low, with 9 speed cassettes; I did have the chain skate once or twice between the rings but it went away for some reason. I certainly didn't do anything to it. The rings and hardware were all old and, AFAIK, original.

I think -- am I right? -- that cranksets are very tolerant of different chains; that's been my experience. Cassettes are more finicky, of course.

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May 6, 2017, 1:25:10 AM5/6/17
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I'm running a 40/24 with 10 speed XT 11-36 on my Hunqapillar. The crank is Riv's Silver, which has spacers for the small ring. I did exactly as you asked and had the chain get stuck between chainrings. I used smaller spacers and don't have a problem with it any more. Sugino triples don't have spacers so you can't reduce the space between the chainrings. I have used a Sugino XD crank with 48/34 gearing with 10 speed XT with no issues though. Can't remember which model XD though.

Aaron 

Nick Payne

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May 6, 2017, 8:23:06 AM5/6/17
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I'm using a Sugino XD crank with 38/26 chainrings and an 11-speed chain (11-40 11s cassette). No problems at all with the chain skating or sticking between the chainrings. The only crank on which I've had such problems was when using a 10-speed chain and cassette with TA Cyclotouriste crank and chainrings, and I fixed that by reducing the thickness of the spacers between the chainrings to 3mm.



reynoldslugs

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May 7, 2017, 2:28:16 AM5/7/17
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I have that drivetrain on several bikes and it works fine. Here it is on a Della Santa - 24-40 Sugino with SRAM 10-sp 11-34. Functions perfectly:

https://flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629609638106

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Patrick Moore

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May 7, 2017, 2:05:35 PM5/7/17
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Lots of bling on that bike! How do you like the Kojaks?

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May 7, 2017, 2:14:54 PM5/7/17
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Patrick asked/commented:


On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 11:05:35 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
Lots of bling on that bike! How do you like the Kojaks?



I love the kojaks.  They are one of my very favorite tires.  The other favorites are 38 mm Compass Barlow Passes.

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Patrick Moore

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May 7, 2017, 2:19:51 PM5/7/17
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They are nice tires, and if I did't have the 559 Compass Elk Pass available, I'd be using the 559 X 1.35" version on the 2003. (I use the 406 bsd version on the Hon Solo.) They are one of the very few tires I've used that roll pretty well, yet that can be ridden here in goatheadland without sealant.

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David F. Beach

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May 7, 2017, 2:24:32 PM5/7/17
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Kojaks flat less than any other tires I have.  I’m big (215 pounds) and ride over bad pavement.  I get very few flats with the Kojaks.  I get a few more flats with the Barlow Pass and Stampedes on my other bikes.  The Compass tires are still great tires, fun and fast to ride, but do seem to flat a bit more.  Not a big deal.

 

Max

 

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Coconutbill

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May 14, 2017, 4:47:10 PM5/14/17
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I appreciate the input . I going with a 1x drivetrain but may experiment with using 2 rings up front . Im told that it can work with my new crust evasion frame , but only up to a 2.8.

Jay Connolly

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May 21, 2017, 10:46:34 AM5/21/17
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I have a White Industries 46/30 crank, which I paired with a drop bar and 11-speed brifters, an 11-speed MTB derailleur (M8000), an 11-40 rear cassette, and a Wolf Tooth Tanpan ratio converter. Works flawlessly and gives me 20-115 gear inches on a 2x setup.
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