Stable Template list 06/2018? eg whonix 14

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eiger999

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Jun 2, 2018, 5:54:55 PM6/2/18
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Is there a list of Stable Templates somewhere , seems like there is no way to know what is available, other than if someone writes or updates the Qubes documentation .....

or should I expect when Whonix 14 , for example, that there will be a posting here, or on the email list,  with or without any Qubes documentation of how to install it ?

I'd like to know as I stopped using W13 because of the NTP problem, and lack of advise on their forum ....


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Andrew David Wong

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Jun 3, 2018, 2:18:44 AM6/3/18
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I've opened an issue to document this:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3952

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pon...@keemail.me

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Jun 3, 2018, 3:47:33 AM6/3/18
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2. Jun 2018 23:54 by qubes...@googlegroups.com:


Is there a list of Stable Templates somewhere , seems like there is no way to know what is available, other than if someone writes or updates the Qubes documentation .....

or should I expect when Whonix 14 , for example, that there will be a posting here, or on the email list,  with or without any Qubes documentation of how to install it ?

I'd like to know as I stopped using W13 because of the NTP problem, and lack of advise on their forum ....


799

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Jun 3, 2018, 11:16:33 AM6/3/18
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Hello,

<pon...@keemail.me> schrieb am So., 3. Juni 2018, 09:47:
2. Jun 2018 23:54 by qubes...@googlegroups.com:
Is there a list of Stable Templates somewhere , 
I assume that we will see a Whonix 14 template in the "official qubes repository" soon, correct?

Or do we really need to manually upgrade from Whonix 13?

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eiger999

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Jun 3, 2018, 12:58:13 PM6/3/18
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Well, you see, I'd  tried to be clear,  
I may be missing something,  but how does Anyone   know  what is and isn't or might be in the "official repository" ? 

Whether it's W14  or anything else  like  F27, F28, D10   etc 


FWIW, W14 isn't  'released' yet for  fresh installing  , which is my plan after  Already saw  that  13-14  guide ..... which may be straightforward but it  beaucoup   steps  involved, and with my luck  and my qubes history I'll fail after step 20  and an hour into it   :)

MirrorWay

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Jun 4, 2018, 7:16:29 PM6/4/18
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To get a list of currently available templates:
   sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=search qubes-template

The stretch-based whonix templates are called qubes-template-whonix-ws-14 and qubes-template-whonix-gw-14 (if you don't see them, try enabling current-testing repos).

Install them to get fresh templates called whonix-ws-14 and whonix-gw-14.

Then change the template of sys-whonix to the latter and anon-whonix to the former.

MirrorWay

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Jun 4, 2018, 7:25:57 PM6/4/18
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More details concerning upgrading to whonix-14:



eiger999

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Jun 4, 2018, 8:37:10 PM6/4/18
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========================= Name Matched: qubes-template =========================
qubes-template-debian-8.noarch : Qubes template for debian-8
qubes-template-fedora-25.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-25
qubes-template-fedora-26.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-26
qubes-template-fedora-27.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-27
qubes-template-fedora-28.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-28
qubes-template-fedora-25-minimal.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-25-minimal
qubes-template-fedora-26-minimal.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-26-minimal
qubes-template-fedora-27-minimal.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-27-minimal
qubes-template-fedora-28-minimal.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-28-minimal
No packages downloaded

........so is this correct ?

Using that command this is what I see, above:   No Debian-9 , No Whonix (not even Whonix 13) ; I had thought Debian-9  was  "stable" and released ; though I obtained it via upgrade  not  new install..

Guess, I remain confused  when if ever,  will Whonix 14  be available as a fresh install , seeing as there isn't any Debian-9  in my list ; and I've been using it since last December I believe, I've ever read some folks are using  Debian-10  ;   quite confusing  when upgrades and fresh templates  are  ready  ,  IMO  esp.  if there is an upgrade and fresh install mismatch .....   No doubt there is  Some good explanation  but...   Pretty sure I am on the current repo,  not really wanting to be on the  'testing'  repo

MirrorWay

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Jun 4, 2018, 10:32:51 PM6/4/18
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Sorry, the whonix-14 templates are currently in unstable. Also, I've only tested this in 4.0.
  $ sudo qubes-dom0--update --action=search --enablerepo=qubes-dom0-unstable qubes-template


qubes-dom0-current-testing                                  | 3.6 kB  00:00
qubes-dom0-current-testing/primary_db                       | 1.6 MB  00:03
qubes-dom0-unstable                                         | 2.9 kB  00:00
qubes-dom0-unstable/primary_db                              | 6.8 kB  00:00
qubes-templates-community                                   | 2.9 kB  00:00
qubes-templates-itl                                         | 2.9 kB  00:00
========================= N/S Matched: qubes-template ==========================
qubes-template-debian-8.noarch : Qubes template for debian-8
qubes-template-debian-9.noarch : Qubes template for debian-9
qubes-template-fedora-25.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-25
qubes-template-fedora-25-minimal.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-25-minimal
qubes-template-fedora-26.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-26
qubes-template-fedora-26-minimal.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-26-minimal
qubes-template-fedora-27.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-27
qubes-template-fedora-27-minimal.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-27-minimal
qubes-template-fedora-28.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-28
qubes-template-fedora-28-minimal.noarch : Qubes template for fedora-28-minimal
qubes-template-whonix-gw.noarch : Qubes template for whonix-gw
qubes-template-whonix-gw-14.noarch : Qubes template for whonix-gw-14
qubes-template-whonix-ws.noarch : Qubes template for whonix-ws
qubes-template-whonix-ws-14.noarch : Qubes template for whonix-ws-14


Ivan Mitev

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Jun 4, 2018, 11:36:09 PM6/4/18
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This may help:

https://github.com/Qubes-Community/Contents/blob/master/docs/misc/iaq.md#manually-install-whonix-14-templates

pixel fairy

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Jun 7, 2018, 7:07:07 AM6/7/18
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On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 5:37:10 PM UTC-7, eiger999 wrote:

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> Guess, I remain confused  when if ever,  will Whonix 14  be available as a fresh install , seeing as there isn't any Debian-9  in my list ; and I've been using it since last December I believe, I've ever read some folks are using  Debian-10  ;   quite confusing  when upgrades and fresh templates  are  ready  ,  IMO  esp.  if there is an upgrade and fresh install mismatch .....   No doubt there is  Some good explanation  but...   Pretty sure I am on the current repo,  not really wanting to be on the  'testing'  repo

The command does not show packages already installed.

eiger999

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Jun 9, 2018, 5:12:38 PM6/9/18
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Am curious doing this :

Manually install Whonix 14 templates

sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-dom0-unstable qubes-core-admin-addon-whonix

Is a temporary enable not a permanent one?  I don't want my overall Qubes system to be on the "unstable" repo track


I also don't really want to mess up  the  dom0  domain  by failing  at manually installed  Whonix 14 ,  which is why it might be nice to know if there is any timeframe at all for when the  Templates are going to be in the main  Templates "stable" ;   and then I'd just wait

Otherwise the "manual install" doesn't look too scary ; but one nice thing about Qubes is one can experiment on a clone of their  stable Templates, and there is no risk to a system meltdown ,  etc .....


PS: pixelfairy  if that command doesn't show installed templates ; sort of matches my output , though I had to name my cloned Fedora Template  Fedora-281  because I have another Fedora-28 that was broken which I've deleted,   would the name matter  as Fedora-28 is showing up as not installed though it is  with "that command" 

Franz

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Jun 10, 2018, 7:12:00 AM6/10/18
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On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 8:16 PM, 'MirrorWay' via qubes-users <qubes...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
To get a list of currently available templates:
   sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=search qubes-template


This command gives me an error:
sh:  tar:  command not found

awokd

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Jun 10, 2018, 11:39:06 AM6/10/18
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You can also browse the repos directly:

https://yum.qubes-os.org/r4.0/templates-itl/rpm/
https://yum.qubes-os.org/r4.0/templates-community/rpm/


pixel fairy

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Jun 10, 2018, 9:41:13 PM6/10/18
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On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 2:12:38 PM UTC-7, [REDACTED] wrote:

> PS: pixelfairy  if that command doesn't show installed templates ; sort of matches my output , though I had to name my cloned Fedora Template  Fedora-281  because I have another Fedora-28 that was broken which I've deleted,   would the name matter  as Fedora-28 is showing up as not installed though it is  with "that command" 

if you deleted it with qvm-remove, then the package database would still have it. if you deleted it with dnf then it should show up as an available package with that command.

Patrick Schleizer

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Aug 7, 2018, 2:06:16 PM8/7/18
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How to know when new Whonix versions are out?

https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Stay_Tuned

Also posted subject "Whonix 14 has been Released" on this list yesterday.

Not sure how we can do better.

notify Whonix 14 release on qubes-announce

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4193

799:
> Hello,
>
> <pon...@keemail.me> schrieb am So., 3. Juni 2018, 09:47:
>
>> 2. Jun 2018 23:54 by qubes...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>> Is there a list of Stable Templates somewhere ,
>>
>> https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Upgrading_Whonix_13_to_Whonix_14

Was testers-only by that time. By that time, that wiki page indicated
that. Released stable yesterday.

> I assume that we will see a Whonix 14 template in the "official qubes
> repository" soon, correct?
>
> Or do we really need to manually upgrade from Whonix 13?

https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Install
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