1. Which coummunity needs (if any) would a forum satisfy that are not
currently being met in other ways?
2. What would be the disadvantages (if any) of having a forum?
3. If there were a Qubes forum, should it be official (i.e., run by
us) or unofficial (i.e., run by a third party)?
4. If we decided to create a forum, what would be the best way to
implement it?
To clarify the first question, note that the following already exist:
* The qubes-users and qubes-devel Google Groups (which Google describe
as fora)
* GitHub: https://github.com/QubesOS
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/QubesOS/
* Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/QubesOS/
* Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Qubes/
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Hi all,
Over the years, it's often been suggested that Qubes have a forum in
addition to the mailing lists. Someone has approached us and offered
to host such a forum. (IIRC, others have also made similar offers over
the years.) Before we make any final decision about this, we'd like to
ask for feedback and advice from the community. Here are the main
questions we're wondering about:
1. Which coummunity needs (if any) would a forum satisfy that are not
currently being met in other ways?
2. What would be the disadvantages (if any) of having a forum?
3. If there were a Qubes forum, should it be official (i.e., run by
us) or unofficial (i.e., run by a third party)?
4. If we decided to create a forum, what would be the best way to
implement it?
To clarify the first question, note that the following already exist:
* The qubes-users and qubes-devel Google Groups (which Google describe
as fora)
* GitHub: https://github.com/QubesOS
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/QubesOS/
* Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/QubesOS/
* Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Qubes/
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Long ago I stopped paying attention to Drew's comments, but this one
is too funny not to notice.
I'm not sure why Drew uses GNU/Linux (or other libre) systems at all,
given his belief in the cult of security by obscurity. Drew seems
like he'd be better off using OS X or Windows.
Whatever you're smoking: Change the brand. It's not healthy.
Verified by you, I suppose. Whom else could you trust? [I'm refraining
from posting a canonical list of German jokes about Polish and asking
Marek for a similar list of jokes about Germans.]
And so f*ing what? That's intended. It's called "peer review".
IRC is the Gods message to humans that they have too much time and too
little to do. [Besides: The basic idea of IRC is having _one_ virtual
network connecting all the servers; after all it was a copy of the ideas
of the BitNET RELAY. The current use is... embarrassing. If you want a
stand-alone chat system, use something better.]
You know... They are called channels. Also for historical reasons...
It might have been a good idea to add some information to it.
But I understand for most people it is not the same thing as a forum I guess. (even though i refer to it as a forum on irc) I think alot of people who dont' use google groups don't because they are paranoid about privacy and security issues or they are too lazy. Privacy conscious people definitely don't like google or social media sites. So you would definitely have to come up with something they would feel is private and secure, meaning run and moderated by qubes themselves. which I think is what Drew is trying to imply. Look at the most popular distro forum sites that have been hacked in the past like ubuntu and mint which come to mind. If run by some 3rd party or too time consuming would a breach even get noticed?
Also You have to make sure you have a full time moderator. I believe Marek moderates the google groups already. Or else you will have to get really fascist and require phone number registration like google already does. Which is another benefit of google groups as well as ddos protection.
But all that being said I think its a good idea to have something else besides google accounts to post with. Cause i'm sure there is many qubes users who absolutely distrust google and refuse to use the google "mailing list/forums".
BillW
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On 05/12/2016 05:55 PM, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> - get a discourse forum and use that for everything
Discourse, in its current state, is unusable for users who have
Javascript disabled. Given that a lot of security/privacy-conscious
users have Javascript disabled, this is problematic.
Some related links:
https://try.discourse.org/ (disable Javascript and then visit here to
see how unusable it is).
https://meta.discourse.org/search?q=javascript%20disabled
https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-for-darknets/31222
https://meta.discourse.org/t/style-is-lost-if-javascript-is-disabled/367
78
https://meta.discourse.org/t/search-engines-screen-readers-etc-should-we
- -still-support-clients-which-have-js-disabled/1733
Unless/until these issues are resolved, I would not be particularly
happy with Discourse being the primary method of getting help with Qubes
.
Just my 0.02 BTC.
Cheers,
- -Jeremy
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I actually think Reddit is a better discussion platform than mailing list, since digression can be limited much more efficiently. Attention is scarce and Reddit is the best at managing it with a community IMO. The current Qubes OS Reddit channel is far from its full potential. For an example of tech-related Reddit community, https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin .
Plus, Reddit is much more far-reaching (/ mainstream) than a forum. It is another block for potential user to register a new account. With the popularity of Reddit it's less a concern.
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Hi all,
Over the years, it's often been suggested that Qubes have a forum in
addition to the mailing lists. Someone has approached us and offered
to host such a forum. (IIRC, others have also made similar offers over
the years.) Before we make any final decision about this, we'd like to
ask for feedback and advice from the community. Here are the main
questions we're wondering about:
1. Which coummunity needs (if any) would a forum satisfy that are not
currently being met in other ways?
2. What would be the disadvantages (if any) of having a forum?
3. If there were a Qubes forum, should it be official (i.e., run by
us) or unofficial (i.e., run by a third party)?
4. If we decided to create a forum, what would be the best way to
implement it?
To clarify the first question, note that the following already exist:
* The qubes-users and qubes-devel Google Groups (which Google describe
as fora)
* GitHub: https://github.com/QubesOS
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/QubesOS/
* Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/QubesOS/
* Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Qubes/
(We currently don't have a StackExchange site, but I've created a
proposal for one here: https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/98519/
It'll require more followers and questions to move on to the next
phase, so if you think that it should exist, consider following it and
adding questions of your own.)
The question is: What benefits would a forum provide that these other
sites don't or can't?
I realize that this is a broad issue, but please try to keep the
discussion on topic. Our goal here is to get feedback from the
community that will help us make a decision about whether to create
(or endorse the creation of) a forum and, if so, what kind.
Best,
Andrew
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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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On 05/11/2016 10:43 PM, Drew White wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 16:23:46 UTC+10, Jeremy Rand wrote:
>
> Long ago I stopped paying attention to Drew's comments, but this one
> is too funny not to notice.
>
> If you stopped paying attention then you wouldn't have seen this or read
> it. So you do not actually pay no attention.
> Saying it's too funny to notice means that you paid attention to it in the
> first place to notice that it was funny by reading it.
>
>
> I'm not sure why Drew uses GNU/Linux (or other libre) systems at all,
> given his belief in the cult of security by obscurity. Drew seems
> like he'd be better off using OS X or Windows.
>
>
> I have no belief in such a cult. I'm just paranoid about security.
> I use Linux because I can secure it better than Windows . And
> OS X is Apple, and I trust Apple only 1% more than I trust Microsoft.
> I trust Linux to a degree of 80%.
> Microsoft I trust maybe 1%, Apple only 2%.
Now Grasshopper, contemplate the underlying reasons WHY.
Why do so very many Windows technical queries on the web terminate with
crickets chirping: There are few-to-no experts below a certain
functional level on Windows. In open source systems, there is a
gradation of available expertise that allows people to keep digging
deeper until they get a definite answer (even if that answer is "No" or
"Not yet").
Chris
the prob is, if you talk seriously about security, will be anonymity...
From the usability effect, I was happy with the thebrain forum, because it is quite friendly and helpful and has a pre-structuring, which helps to keep this many topics together.
And for future features they have additional the very kind UserVoice, which has the focus to weight the community ideas, so that continuously new functions and features get implemented...
https://thebrain.uservoice.com/forums/4597-thebrain-feature-suggestions
But I don't know, which framework is needed for some similar look & feel.
Kind Regards