Qubes 3.1 on DVD?

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

Does anyone have a version of the Qubes 3.1 that can fit on a DVD?

This version I have is 5 GB in size, and thus can't fit on a DVD.

What is going on here please?

Sincerely,
Drew.

[Raymond Rizzuto]

The new Qubes is larger, and your options are to burn it to a dual-layer dvd, a blueray, or put it on a USB drive. Some folk are complaining of issues with the USB drive method, but I followed the instructions for placing it on a USB drive using Rufus, and was successful in installing it to my laptop from there.

[Drew White]

I have it on a USB drive, but it comes back and says it can't find the install media.

Since it's NOT a dual layer reading drive, no a blueray drive, it isn't READ ONLY.

Does this cause this issue of not being able to find /dev/root ?

I'm wondering, could the image that one downloads from the website be corrupted somehow?

Or is there another way to get around this?


This is what I get.....
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Started show plymouth boot screen
reached target paths
reached target basic system
dracut-initqueue[580]: Warning: Could not boot.
Started show plymouth boot screen
reached target paths
reached target basic system
dracut-initqueue[580]: Warning: Could not boot.
dracut-initqueue[580]: Warning: /dev/root does not exist
     Starting dracut Emergency Shell.
Warning: /dev/root does not exist
Generating "/run/initramfs/rdsosreport.txt
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I'll upload a photo shortly, but I have to do that from my phone.

[Drew White]

images attached

one is of boot. the other is end of log file

[Drew White]

Qubes 2R2 install and works fine.

[raah...@gmail.com]

if it was corrupted the hash might not match.

how did you burn it? dd? uefi bios?

[Raymond Rizzuto]

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:39:33 PM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:

images attached

one is of boot. the other is end of log file

The docs at https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/installation-guide/#tocAnchor-1-1-3  say "On Windows, you can use the Rufus tool. Be sure to select “DD image” mode (you need to do that after selecting the Qubes ISO):"   I am not sure why they have the emphasis on after, but I followed that instruction to the letter.  I did that after first verifing the digest (https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/verifying-signatures/#tocAnchor-1-1-3) and signature (https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/verifying-signatures/).

It would be interesting to know what you find out.  I'm sure it would help others struggling with the install.

It would be nice if OSDisc or some other vendor would sell Qubes 3.1 media (USB or dual-layer DVD).  One less barrier, albeit requiring some way to determine if the vendor can be trusted.  

[Drew White]

if they did not have whonix on the iso then it would fit on a dvd.

by only targeting DL DVDs they restrict the marketplave they aim at.

they need multiple things... one basic dvd for install. then downloadable options to add in whonix and debian and fedora templates.

let the user choose which type they want to download... dont force everything.

[Drew White]

Thanks Raymond, you were right, they do need DD  on there because of the unallocated space in the iso.

I don't know why they would go about it this way to set it up, but it is annoying, because that only makes it hard to make a multi-boot USB with it for install. I could do it with Q3, and Q2, but doesn't look like I will be able to with Q3.1.

Can you please make a standard iso version please?
Or rename it to IMG ?

It is an image after all, not an iso.

thanks!

[raah...@gmail.com]

I haven't had a dvd player for years and don't even have optical drives on my pc machines anymore. They will probably be obsolete soon like floppies lol. Plus they are less reliable. (scratches smudges) Qubes itself takes more powerful and special hardware then most operating systems. I don't see the need for a 5 dollar usb stick being more of a problem. 4gb usb sticks actually cost more then 8gb ones now online because they are already pretty much obosolete.

Regarding having to download the templates at install, this is what I always hate about installing debian. It can take forever and makes me feel vulnerable. Leaving out debian and whonix templates to download after install is fine. But i'm sure there is other priorities. The basic install would require at least fedora template imo. And I'd rather have a full Qubes system setup before i even connect it to the internet.

[raah...@gmail.com]

I should clarify on my qubes machines i don't have optical drives. But on my older machines I still boot up with a live linux cdrom sometimes.

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 20 April 2016 02:58:03 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com wrote:

I haven't had a dvd player for years and don't even have optical drives on my pc machines anymore.  They will probably be obsolete soon like floppies lol. Plus they are less reliable. (scratches smudges)   Qubes itself takes more powerful and special hardware then most operating systems. I don't see the need for a 5 dollar usb stick being more of a problem.   4gb usb sticks actually cost more then 8gb ones now online because they are already pretty much obosolete.

But if you wanted to download the ISO with ONLY Fedora templates, OR Debian, OR WhoNix, OR Fedora and Debian.
 

Regarding having to download the templates at install,  this is what I always hate about installing debian.   It can take forever and makes me feel vulnerable.  Leaving out debian and whonix templates to download after install is fine.  But i'm sure there is other priorities.  The basic install would require at least fedora template imo.  And I'd rather have a full Qubes system setup before i even connect it to the internet.

Download the ISO with the template base you want, THEN if you decide you want others, then download the RPM and install it. And save the RPM to another location for later. simple.

 

[Axon]

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raah...@gmail.com:

Vulnerability could be an issue if someone needs Tor out-of-the-box
(or needs to conceal the fact that they're downloading Qubes
packages). However, all packages must be PGP-signed anyway.
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[Raymond Rizzuto]

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 12:43:06 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:

Sorry, I am not working on Qubes, just using it.   

[Drew White]

Vulnerability isn't an issue.
You should have read my post before you posted this, because then you
would know that there was a bit of ambiguity in what I said, and I clarified
in my post.

I stated that I was taking about having the templates that one wanted in
the download, instead of having EVERY template in there.

[raah...@gmail.com]

even regardless i'd feel better even just having the normal fedora vm proxies running before i connect to the internet. or am I being silly? I admit I am very noob just feels like common sense to me. If debian likes to make everything a netinstall thats on them imo.

[Axon]

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Drew White:

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> On Wednesday, 20 April 2016 21:01:23 UTC+10, Axon wrote:
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>> raah...@gmail.com <javascript:>:

I did read your post before replying. I was replying to raahelps (who
mentioned vulnerability), not you.

> I stated that I was taking about having the templates that one
> wanted in the download, instead of having EVERY template in there.
>

I know. I previously made the same suggestion in the issue tracking
this:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1568
#issuecomment-209165577

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[Axon]

> even regardless i'd feel better even just having the normal fedora
> vm proxies running before i connect to the internet. or am I being
> silly? I admit I am very noob just feels like common sense to me.
> If debian likes to make everything a netinstall thats on them imo.
>

I don't think anyone is considering making the ISO *that* small. I'm
pretty sure there will always be ProxyVMs out-of-the-box. The
question, rather, is whether to exclude one or both of the secondary
templates currently included in the ISO.
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[Drew White]

I am happy you made the suggestion on github, I don't use github, so I don't know what's tracking there.

Things I've told the developers never get fixed anyway, so what's the point?

Even the things that are a 5 minute fix, why not do it to make everyone happy and things easier?
(because it takes 5 minutes) That's what I think they think.
I may be wrong, and I am happy to be proven wrong.

[raah...@gmail.com]

who is everyone? even 5 minutes can be time if more important stuff aint done. This is open source project though i think so anyone can help out.

[Desobediente]

Kali has a "light" version:

https://www.kali.org/downloads/

As for Qubes, it consists in making a decision of what to strip from the big iso.

As far as I know, the whole Whonix stuff depends on the debian template, so in my opinion the most obvious decision would be to make a debian-whonix free iso available.

I personally would prefer to burn the iso on a usb flash drive for the sake of having Whonix out of the box. I can understand why people would prefer to burn Qubes on a DVD, even on a CD, however.

For the record, this process of making decision and producing another version of the iso available does not take five minutes.

--

iuri.neocities.org

[evado...@gmail.com]

We do not need any "whistles and farts" while other most important things not ready.

[evado...@gmail.com]

The cost of development is very expensive, to lost it on some dubious features without which it is possible to live.