[GAME] The Overtaking

[edderiofer]

http://www.puzzlescript.net/play.html?p=61127e33f9f322195ed8b75bae7fa510

Don't enjoy this. This is a very late LD37 entry. For an additional challenge, play it on mobile.

Spoilers in rot13:

Nf lbh znl unir thrffrq, guvf vf (cnegyl) n cnebql bs Gur Haqregnxvat ol Naan Naguebcl. Juvyr zl tnzr vfa'g vagraqrq gb vafhyg ure be oryvggyr ure npuvrirzrag, zl trareny srryvat gbjneqf yvarne jnyxvat fvzhyngbef vf gung orvat hanoyr gb vagrenpg jvgu gur tnzr va nal cnegvphyneyl zrnavatshy/fvtavsvpnag jnl vf abg ng nyy sha be punyyratvat; juvpu vf pbhagre gb jung V srry tnzrf fubhyq or. V srry gung tnzrf fubhyq unir ng yrnfg fbzr sbez bs zrnavatshy punyyratr, yvxr chmmyrf be gur yvxr.

Guhf, Gur Biregnxvat vf n jnyxvat fvzhyngbe gung pbzcyrgryl haznfxf gur "yvarne jnyxvat fvzhyngbe" traer sbe jung V srry gurl ner; lbh'er fubrubearq qbja n ybat pbeevqbe, naq trggvat gb gur raq vf whfg n jne bs crefrirenapr. Gurer znl or fbzr fgbel nybat gur jnl, ohg guvf vfa'g nyjnlf gur pnfr (naq pregnvayl vfa'g va zvar).

Nabgure vffhr (zber trarenyyl) gung V jnagrq gb pbzcynva nobhg jnf gur vffhr bs fbzr bgurejvfr-tbbq tnzrf orvat gbb fybj naq qehqtrebhf (rfcrpvnyyl ba zbovyr). V ubarfgyl pna'g frr ubj fbzr crbcyr jnag gb cynl fhpu tnzrf gung jnfgr gurve gvzr, fb urer'f n tnzr gung fubhyq ubcrshyyl nccrny gb gurz.

Creuncf zl ivrjf ba gur fhowrpg ner bireyl-crffvzvfgvp. Pregnvayl V'z fbzrjung erfragshy gung Gur Haqregnxvat znqr vg vagb gur Chmmyrfpevcg tnyyrel (juvyr zl bja tnzr, juvpu pbagnvaf chmmyrf, qvqa'g). Ohg V jbhyq irel zhpu yvxr gb yrnea jul crbcyr frrz gb svaq sha va Gur Haqregnxvat (jura V pna'g).

Nyfb, V qba'g oynzr lbh ng nyy vs lbh tvir hc orsber rira trggvat gb gur svsgu zrffntr (juvpu gnxrf bire svir zvahgrf). Lbh pna bs pbhefr unpx gur tnzr gb ernq gur zrffntrf vs lbh fb jvfu. Bar-uhaqerq-creprag-vat gur tnzr gnxrf bire rvtug ubhef, fb vg'f orfg vs lbh qba'g cynl gbb zhpu bs guvf tnzr. V'z irel jryy njner gung guvf tnzr vfa'g sha (vs vg vf, V'ir snvyrq), naq vg'f pregnvayl abg zrnag gb or. Sbe gur erpbeq, vg gbbx zr haqre 3 ubhef gb znxr guvf tnzr, zbfg bs juvpu jnf fcrag yrneavat Abgrcnq++'f ertrk ercynpre gb trg bire gra gubhfnaq yvarf bs yriry pbqr.

Vs V'z natel ng nalbar evtug abj, vg'f gur tnzvat pbzzhavgl sbe fnlvat gung fhpu tnzrf ner tbbq jura gurl'er hfhnyyl abg. V uneobhe ab vyy jvyy gbjneqf Naan Naguebcl naq ubcr gung fur pbagvahrf gb znxr tnzrf gung ner npghnyyl tbbq, yvxr Ebobg Urvfg naq Nhag Syben'f Znafvba.

Naq vs lbh jnag gb znxr n jnyxvat fvzhyngbe tnzr, tb nurnq. Whfg qba'g rkcrpg zr gb svaq vg cnegvphyneyl sha.

[Jared Piers]

This comes across as rude and bitter.  You should delete this

[Rick]

I kind of see where it's coming from, but on the other hand, there are people that did enjoy the Undertaking. Even if you didn't enjoy it and made a intentionally bad copy of it, that doesn't reduce or nullify the enjoyment they had nor bring anything positive to the community.

Also when you say "Certainly I'm somewhat resentful that The Undertaking made it into the Puzzlescript gallery (while my own game, which contains puzzles, didn't)." and "If I'm angry at anyone right now, it's the gaming community for saying that such games are good when they're usually not." it really sounds like you're just getting angry that other people don't have the same tastes in you! @_@

I guess I shouldn't be overly critical because I think it's good to try to express emotions and convey concepts through art, like games, but I think this might have been a bit too aggressive or something.

[That Scar]

First of all, that took me like half an hour and not 1.5 till level 10, you go faster if you alternate left or right and down. :P

Now, more seriously:

It's not just about fun. A very good analogy lies in the history of modern art.

Some paintings and some music weren't made to be beautiful.

Some was very repetitive, some was disgusting.

It wasn't enjoyable and neither was The Undertaking. (for me)

It isn't any better than any other puzzlescript game, it's just something different, an experience.

I listen to more than 50 songs every week, most of which is mediocre, I save only the ones that I like and the ones that are very different.

Why? Because it exposes what is possible, that there's much more to explore, that music isn't only about being beautiful, driving you or expressing feelings.

Puzzlescript isn't only about puzzles, which is nice to expose.

About Match Flow: although it's the opposite of "something different and new" since you pretty much took the idea but made it way better, I would probably place it in the Gallery if I were to judge. Stephen being "picky about the gallery" is pretty weird, some games are really questionable being there, I don't get why "Dharma Dojo demake" is there for example (I assume it's meant to be a fun puzzle game). But I like being tolerant about it.

[That Scar]

Also,

 

This comes across as rude and bitter.  You should delete this 

Please don't.

Things like this are needed to step forward. This is a valid topic to talk about.

[Stephen Lavelle]

>First of all, that took me like half an hour and not 1.5 till level 10, you go faster if you alternate left or right and down. :P

hmm maybe that's a bug in the engine - I've logged an issue here for further contemplation. thank you!

https://github.com/increpare/PuzzleScript/issues/366

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[Stephen Lavelle]

For feedback about the game itself - I'd personally have preferred it without the messages - the writing doesn't work for me, and I'm not sure what changes I could suggest to them - they break up the flow of things a bit much for me. 

[That Scar]

they break up the flow of things a bit much for me. 

 

Wasn't that the point, though? 

[Jared Piers]

No, this is absolutely not a valid topic to talk about.  If you dont like 'walking simulators', there are an infinite amount of ways you could say that that would be less insulting than this.  Puzzlescript is Stephen's site and Stephen's tool.  Its entirely up to him what goes into the gallery and what doesnt.  Nothing is owed to anyone here.  Furthermore, to reduce the Undertaking to this and insult anyone who liked it in the process is childish.  

[That Scar]

You might've misunderstood the topic then. Which would kind of prove a point that "it's not really valid to talk about this topic in this way".

I think the point was that edd expects the puzzlescript community to encourage the making of good and challenging puzzles, while The Undertaking is (in edd's opinion) neither good, nor challenging, nor even a puzzle. Instead, the community values puzzles based on something very arbitrary, while one can rather objectively determine how challenging a puzzle game is.

I agree that there were numerous other ways to expose this topic without this much ambiguity.

[Lukas Schüller]

Hm. A few thoughts:

- The gallery is IMO Stephen's personal showcase, so naturally, the games that end up there will be those he enjoyed most. This doesn't mean they have to be the ones that the majority of people will enjoy. If we as a community want to have something like that, we'd have to take care of it ourselves.
- Even if you don't agree, edd has every right to criticize and parody (as far as I know?) the undertaking. There's freedom of speech and stuff. Of course, you also have the right to criticize edd's criticism, and you definitely have the right not to agree with it, but I feel like requesting to delete this is a bit much.
- I did not take this as any sort of personal insult. Just out of curiosity, at which point in the game did you feel offended? The question why we play games that are not behaving like games are expected to be is valid, as is any answer to that question. And I can't see where the game went any further.
- Every game has a right to exist (apart from those that violate human rights, I guess?). Games are just another form of art, and like any piece of art, it might well be that you don't enjoy it, but someone else very much will. Do I think that there's a lot of bad games out there? Sure, but why does it matter to me? I don't play them and let those people play them who actually enjoy them. It makes their lives a little better and doesn't make mine any worse.

As for the games, I liked the undertaking and this parody made me smile. So what does that mean? I don't know, you tell me.

[Jared Piers]

It wasnt meant as a request to have it deleted, but a suggestion to Edd because I believe this reflects poorly on him for all the reasons I've stated already.  I also wasnt personally offended by this, its just an entitled and arrogant thing to do and I think it should be called out as such.

But the main reason why I posted in here instead of just ignoring it is that I dont want people to be discouraged from posting games that are different than the norm.

[Lukas Schüller]

Okay, I must admit I only "played" up until message 7 and haven't hacked the game, so I hadn't read messages 8 through 12, which do get pretty insulting. Not a fan of those. I still stick to my other thoughts, though.