Roll call

[Kenneth Chen]

How is everyone doing? Are people still on polyphasic? Leverage house?

I'm still on everyman-3, and it's been going well.

[Malcolm McCulloch]

I lost my polyphasia due to exams and then being home with family (and on their schedule). I'm now doing an internship at Twitter, and they're fine with napping but I don't think I have time for a serious adaptation. However, somewhat by accident, I seem to have adopted a 6h core + 1-2 naps schedule, and I'm having delightful REM naps around noon (note: this may be an innate property of mine as much as it is a remnant of polyphasic experiments... I didn't nap much at all before doing polyphasic, so it's hard to say. I will say that months of everyman this spring & summer has given me the audacity and comfort to actually sleep at work every day.

On Sep 19, 2013 1:31 PM, "Kenneth Chen" <kenn...@gmail.com> wrote:

How is everyone doing? Are people still on polyphasic? Leverage house?

I'm still on everyman-3, and it's been going well.

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[Jeremy Schlatter]

I stopped polyphasic because I started having parasomnias (moving around during sleep -- sleepwalking is in this category but many other behaviors happen too) and was worried about injuring myself or others. A few Leverage folks are still on everyman-3, the others have dropped out for various reasons.

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[Nevin Freeman]

I'm still on E3, but have recently spent some time looking at my historical data and concluded that my lack of restful feeling is probably due to the fact that I actually got more than 1.5h REM per day before. On nights where I slept 8 to 8.5 hours, I would get 2.25 hours of REM, and 1.5 hours of SWS. So I'm now considering the next experiment of schedules that will actually give me this much REM, to see if I then feel fully awake (I don't now). I realized that I value being awake more at certain times of day. From my notes, here are the valued periods, in order of most to least valued:

1. Sunrise - 3pm -- since others are awake and it’s a good time to work with them; also I enjoy waking up w/ the sunrise
   
2. Sunset - 3am -- socializing; working with fewer interruptions; taking advantage of "the-day-is-ending" motivation
   
3. 3pm - Sunset -- just don’t seem to get as much done during this period, but maybe if I were more rested feeling this would change
   
4. 3am - Sunrise -- could be good for avoiding distraction, but is lonely and lacks stimulation, so harder to be fully awake

Hence, a good schedule might be:

• 3:00 core, 3-6pm, followed by one 30 min wake period, then 2 naps with one 30 min period in between, 6:30-8:00pm
  
• 3 naps with two 30 min periods in between, 3-5:30am
  

This would be 5.5 hours spent sleeping (budgeting 30 min for the naps), and would hopefully yield the exact same REM and SWS I get with 8.5 hours of sleep normally. It does take longer then E3, but it seems that the extra REM might just be necessary to feel fully awake. I'm not sure if this would work, but my theoretical understanding of why I get REM in the earlier naps each day is very fuzzy, so I'm probably just going to test and see what works in practice. How much time do I need to have between naps to be able to go right back into REM? Will clumping the naps, and hence being further from a period of sleep at some points make me sleepy? Will I be able to effectively utilize the 30-minute blocks of waking that this schedule yields? We will find out, as I test this and/or other schedules like it :)

Another interesting note: I've started to extend my REM naps, now that I'm not focusing on causing more adaptation, and instead just getting efficient sleep. By having Cathleen watch my Zeo and wake me right when a cycle actually finishes, I've found that the 20-min nap is shorter than needed for me. Today I had one 31 min REM nap, and another that was 32.

Nevin

[Malcolm McCulloch]

• 3:00 core, 3-6pm, followed by one 30 min wake period, then 2 naps with one 30 min period in between, 6:30-8:00pm
  
• 3 naps with two 30 min periods in between, 3-5:30am

My sense of things is that this is not going to work very well. I've tried going back to bed shortly after a nap and it was usually either crappy light sleep or I went straight to deep and got all sleep inertia-y. And then 3-6pm is like, the body's worst time for sleeping, as far as I know. I can get a REM nap consistently at noon, but only sometimes at other times of day. And then SWS happens most in the like, 4 hours closest to midnight on either side.

But it occurs to me that this model is also in part based on stuff on polyphasicsociety.com, and their model doesn't seem to be quite right. Anyway, very curious how this goes for you!

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Malcolm McCulloch

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