Naturalized US Citizen Turned Traitor...

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Navy

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Jul 19, 2019, 6:59:41 PM7/19/19
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THIS is why ( one of many reasons) we need to be picky about who we let in .


ImStillMags Mags

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Jul 19, 2019, 7:21:34 PM7/19/19
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yeah...cause you know, ALL immigrants are terrorists......they're bringing drugs, they're rapists.......I'm sure some are good people....

don't go off the deep end here.


herman

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Jul 19, 2019, 7:23:55 PM7/19/19
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Trump's billions-of-dollars-wall likely would not have kept this person out of the USA.

Navy

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Jul 19, 2019, 7:37:56 PM7/19/19
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Don't act like every person coming into the country is doing it for good reasons...don't go off the deep end here!

ImStillMags Mags

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Jul 19, 2019, 7:51:17 PM7/19/19
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I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt instead of being completely suspicious of everyone.




On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 4:37:56 PM UTC-7, Navy wrote:
Don't act like every person coming into the country is doing it for good reasons...don't off the deep end here!

Navy

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Jul 19, 2019, 7:59:50 PM7/19/19
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I think we did give the benefit of the doubt to this one....didn't work out real well...

Lobo

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Jul 19, 2019, 8:22:01 PM7/19/19
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So we should just assume that anyone who wants to come here means us harm?

Of course we should be careful, and exclude individuals who have violent histories, but there's no magical way of knowing who might turn violent later, whether with immigrants or people born here. We do know that immigrants -- legal and illegal alike -- commit far fewer crimes of any sort than people born in America.

Navy

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Jul 19, 2019, 8:26:13 PM7/19/19
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No...Where did I say that? 

That statistic does't look so imprressive when you see the 'kinds' of crimes they Do commit. 
How many Americans born here go off and aid the enemy?

herman

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Jul 19, 2019, 9:22:03 PM7/19/19
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<<< So we should just assume that anyone who wants to come here means us harm?

<<< Of course we should be careful, and exclude individuals who have violent histories, but there's no magical way of knowing who might turn violent later, whether with immigrants or people born here. We do know that immigrants -- legal and illegal alike -- commit far fewer crimes of any sort than people born in America. >>>


More law-abiding, less likely to commit crimes.....immigrants certainly bring desirable qualities to communities in this country.

Lobo

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Jul 19, 2019, 9:41:08 PM7/19/19
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<<That statistic does't look so imprressive when you see the 'kinds' of crimes they Do commit. >>

I dunno... it looks pretty impressive to me. Whether they're here legally or illegally, immigrants of any sort commit about half as many crimes in general as native-born Americans. And even where violent crimes are concerned, all immigrants commit about half as many, while illegal immigrants still commit significantly fewer homicides than natural born citizens.


Figure 1: Criminal conviction rates by immigration status in Texas
Per 100,000 residents in each subpopulation, 2015
Chart
Sources: Author’s analysis of Texas Department of Public Safety data, the American Community Survey, and the Center for Migration Studies.
Figure 2: Homicide conviction rates by immigration status in Texas
Per 100,000 residents in each subpopulation, 2015
Chart
Sources: Author’s analysis of Texas Department of Public Safety data, the American Community Survey, and the Center for Migration Studies.

Lobo

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Jul 19, 2019, 9:49:30 PM7/19/19
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Damn... it looked like my charts were going to post, but they didn't. I'll try a different way:

Chart 1.JPG

Chart 2.JPG







Lobo

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Jul 19, 2019, 9:53:10 PM7/19/19
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Oh well. I tried... Unless you have better eyes than me, you'll have to enlarge your screen a little to see them. Or you could just go the article. It's from the Libertarian Cato Institute, not some liberal website.

herman

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Jul 19, 2019, 10:39:04 PM7/19/19
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I also tried to get the charts here - but no luck.

(I can get Washington Post charts here, but ones from the NYTimes?  No luck.)

Lobo

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Jul 19, 2019, 11:00:16 PM7/19/19
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Websites in general seem to be getting harder and harder to post, and not just because most of them are so damn full of tweets. CNN usually gives me the most trouble. I could do what several others here do and just post the link, but somehow that feels like it's skipping the whole point of the thing. Besides, people are much less likely to see whatever I'm trying to say.

Irie

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Jul 19, 2019, 11:41:53 PM7/19/19
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More wackadoodle far left demagoguery.
Well done.

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Minister Rebel

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Jul 20, 2019, 8:41:51 AM7/20/19
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Jesus navy....Really dear......I mean ..one out of millions goes wrong, what about all those American terrorists, are they ok as well, or do we send them home ????🧕🏿🧕🏿🧕🏿🧕🏿🧕🏿

Minister Rebel

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Jul 20, 2019, 8:43:23 AM7/20/19
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Up pops the troll, right on cue....🧕🏿🧕🏿🧕🏿🧕🏿🧕🏿

Navy

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Jul 20, 2019, 9:15:59 AM7/20/19
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Ummmm......Natural citizens in this country outnumber illegals ( hell even legals) many many times over...of course those statistics are going to show they do less crimes... duh!

Lobo

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Jul 20, 2019, 4:07:40 PM7/20/19
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<<Ummmm......Natural citizens in this country outnumber illegals ( hell even legals) many many times over...of course those statistics are going to show they do less crimes... duh!>>

Look again. The numbers in the study are "Per 100,000 residents in each subpopulation,"

Navy

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Jul 20, 2019, 4:18:20 PM7/20/19
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regardless...legal or stay out.

Lobo

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Jul 20, 2019, 4:25:44 PM7/20/19
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<<No...Where did I say that? 

That statistic does't look so imprressive when you see the 'kinds' of crimes they Do commit. 
How many Americans born here go off and aid the enemy?>>

It depends on what you call "The Enemy". The vast majority of terrorist incidents in the US are perpetrated by homegrown right wing white Christians.


And then there are those in the Trump circle who worked and coordinated with Russia's attack on our election -- aided and abetted a national enemy -- and continue to do so in one way or another. It's worse than terrorism. It's an assault on our democracy and our national sovereignty.

Navy

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Jul 20, 2019, 5:39:58 PM7/20/19
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Oh brother!

ravn

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Jul 20, 2019, 6:41:27 PM7/20/19
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On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 4:37:56 PM UTC-7, Navy wrote:
Don't act like every person coming into the country is doing it for good reasons...

The biggest terrorist threat in the US is from right wing extremism *within* the US.

If you want to solve that problem, start looking in the mirror.


Image result for the biggest terrorist threat in us is from the right wing

Lobo

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Jul 20, 2019, 8:26:42 PM7/20/19
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<<Oh brother!>>

Meaning what?

Navy

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Jul 20, 2019, 8:32:41 PM7/20/19
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All of it ...BS... liberal bull shit.

Lobo

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Jul 20, 2019, 8:58:11 PM7/20/19
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Right wing terrorism is just "liberal bullshit"? What do you call these people? Or are you saying that they never existed; that they're "Fake News"? (This list is from Timothy McVeigh in 1995 at bottom to Christopher Hasson in 2019 at top. There are far too many to try to copy & paste here):

Minister Rebel

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Jul 21, 2019, 9:29:58 AM7/21/19
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depends on what you call "The Enemy". The vast majority of terrorist incidents in the US are perpetrated by homegrown right wing white Christians.

Oh , those very fine gentlemen I presume.....🧕🏿🧕🏿🧕🏿🧕🏿
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