AG Barr Assigns US Attorney John Durham to Investigate Origins of Russia Probe

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btdt100

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May 13, 2019, 9:02:00 PM5/13/19
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Curtain is up.  

herman

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May 13, 2019, 9:04:29 PM5/13/19
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Intimidating investigators.

Investigating those who acted to safeguard the nation against the Russian attack.

Intimidating anyone who acts to protect the nation against continuing Russian attacks.


Navy

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May 13, 2019, 9:15:37 PM5/13/19
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I am awaiting with baited breath. This is gonna be good.

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Curtain is up.  

herman

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May 13, 2019, 9:21:40 PM5/13/19
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Do you believe our nation's intel and security agencies when they say Russia attacked our electoral system in 2016 in order to put trump into the WH?

Navy

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May 13, 2019, 9:52:16 PM5/13/19
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I believe some higher ups in our intel agencies tried to tie Trump into a false Russian collusion cluster fuck to try and take down a duly elected President. 

But yes...I do believe Russia tried to meddle in our electoral system with trolls on our social media sites. But I do not believe one vote for Trump was cast because of Russians. I know that fits the dems narrative for their excuse of 'why' they lost what they thought was a slam dunk election. But it doesn't make it true. 

herman

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May 13, 2019, 9:55:12 PM5/13/19
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So, you do not believe Russia actually "meddled" (attacked) our electoral system.

in other words, you're saying our own intel and security agencies have been lying about the Russian attack.

Navy

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May 13, 2019, 9:59:29 PM5/13/19
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Read what I wrote Herman.

herman

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May 13, 2019, 10:06:12 PM5/13/19
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I did.  "Tried" to meddle means Russian was not successful in meddling.....

I showed that you do not believe the Russians were successful in attacking ("meddling in") our nation.

That means you believe our country's intel and security agencies are LYING.,



On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:59:29 PM UTC-4, Navy wrote:
Read what I wrote Herman.

Lobo

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May 13, 2019, 10:09:37 PM5/13/19
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<<I am awaiting with baited breath. This is gonna be good.>>

Vladimir Putin thinks so too. In fact, he must find it hilarious. He attacks the Amerikanski election system to place his own Quisling in the White House, and the official US response is to... attack and intimidate the very people who investigated his attack, and who are trying to stop him from doing it again in 2020...?!?!

I don't know. Maybe we really don't deserve to have our own constitutional republic anymore, and Putin and Trump are just kicking the hollowed-out edifice down, to build a global authoritarian oligarchy on the ruins. With accelerated global warming, unchecked mass-pollution, hyper-overexploitation of basic resources, and other environmental assaults transforming the world into a lifeless toxic waste dump anyway, I guess it won't really make much difference in a few years.

The last time fascism swept the world, we had FDR in the White House to save the US, and then the world, from it's own worst instincts. This time around, the head of the German-American Bund has been installed in the White House by the Fuehrer.

(BTW: That's "bated" breath. "Baited breath" means that you're using your breath to catch fish or something).



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I-think4me

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May 13, 2019, 10:18:33 PM5/13/19
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Curtain is up.

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LOL well at least he didn't appoint a Trump apointee. No conflict of interest there.

herman

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May 13, 2019, 10:25:39 PM5/13/19
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<<< LOL well at least he didn't appoint a Trump apointee. No conflict of interest there. >>>

I-think4me gives our board's Republicans a bit more credit than I think they deserve.  

I doubt few or any will realize there just might be a hint sarcasm in I-think4me's comment.  I doubt any of our trumpsters (aka all gopers) will actually check to see whether Durham was appointed US Attorney by trump.

(Yeah, he was.)

Lobo

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May 13, 2019, 10:30:18 PM5/13/19
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<<But yes...I do believe Russia tried to meddle in our electoral system with trolls on our social media sites. But I do not believe one vote for Trump was cast because of Russians.>>

Then why do imagine he did it it? Whatever else he is, Putin is no fool. He's a career KGB colonel, with decades-long expertise in doing this very thing in third world countries and some borderline European states. Do you really think he would have gone to all the expense, trouble and risk of interfering in the US election in such a large way if he wasn't fairly confident of success?

Remember that he didn't have to change all that many minds. Trump squeaked by the Electoral College with just 57,000 votes spread across just 3 states. All Putin had to do was appeal to some emotions, and convince some people who otherwise would have voted Democratic to stay home.

btdt100

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May 13, 2019, 10:35:44 PM5/13/19
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Expense?  According to your Mueller team Russia spent around $100K. While Russia is hardly 'wealthy', seriously.  $100K is not much expense.   

I-think4me

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May 13, 2019, 10:36:01 PM5/13/19
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Remember that he didn't have to change all that many minds. Trump squeaked by the Electoral College with just 57,000 votes spread across just 3 states. All Putin had to do was appeal to some emotions, and convince some people who otherwise would have voted Democratic to stay home.
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Of course it didn't hurt that he had internal polling data from the Trump campaign to guide his efforts in those critical swing states.

btdt100

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May 13, 2019, 10:36:55 PM5/13/19
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If your guys have nothing to hide, what's your problem spermie?  

herman

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May 13, 2019, 10:42:59 PM5/13/19
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<<< Of course it didn't hurt that he had internal polling data from the Trump campaign to guide his efforts in those critical swing states. >>>

That really pisses me off.  

Directly assisting a foreign government in its attack on our electoral system?

Smacks of...well, acting as a traitor.

herman

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May 13, 2019, 10:46:43 PM5/13/19
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I explained my objections to this highly-partisan probe in my initial post to this thread.

If you don't understand, copy and paste the parts whose meaning escape you and ask me to explain.

Lobo

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May 13, 2019, 10:54:31 PM5/13/19
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<<If your guys have nothing to hide, what's your problem>>

I can't speak for Herman, but I have two problems:

1) It's not a real investigation of anything. It's Donald Trump using the US Justice Dept to punish and "get even" with those he considers his "Enemies"; ie, anyone in government who refused to be "loyal" to Trump over the republic, the law and the Constitution.

2) Everything in it has already been looked into by the appropriate investigators. All that's left is a bunch of ridiculous conspiracy theories.


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btdt100

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May 13, 2019, 10:58:59 PM5/13/19
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WASHINGTON — Attorney General William P. Barr has assigned the top federal prosecutor in Connecticut to examine the origins of the Russia investigation, according to two people familiar with the matter, a move that President Trump has long called for but that could anger law 

John H. Durham, the United States attorney in Connecticut, has a history of serving as a special prosecutor investigating potential wrongdoing among national security officials, including the F.B.I.’s ties to a crime boss in Boston and accusations of C.I.A. abuses of detainees.enforcement officials who insist that scrutiny of the Trump campaign was lawful.

His inquiry is the third known investigation focused on the opening of an F.B.I. counterintelligence investigation during the 2016 presidential campaign into possible ties between Russia’s election interference and Trump associates.

The department’s inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, is separately examining investigators’ use of wiretap applications and informants and whether any political bias against Mr. Trump influenced investigative decisions. And John W. Huber, the United States attorney in Utah, has been reviewing aspects of the Russia investigation. His findings have not been announced.

[…] Mr. Durham, who was nominated by Mr. Trump in 2017 and has been a Justice Department lawyer since 1982, has conducted special investigations under administrations of both parties. Attorney General Janet Reno asked Mr. Durham in 1999 to investigate the F.B.I.’s handling of a notorious informant: the organized crime leader James (Whitey) Bulger.

In 2008, Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey assigned Mr. Durham to investigate the C.I.A.’s destruction of videotapes in 2005 showing the torture of terrorism suspects. A year later, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. expanded Mr. Durham’s mandate to also examine whether the agency broke any laws in its abuses of detainees in its custody.  

 

(read more  https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/us/politics/russia-investigation-justice-department-review.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/us/politics/russia-investigation-justice-department-review.html

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herman

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May 13, 2019, 11:05:19 PM5/13/19
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In other words, this THIRD investigation into the legitimate and necessary investigation of the Russian attack against our nation is not needed.
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btdt100

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May 13, 2019, 11:21:17 PM5/13/19
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You are incorrect spermie.  Two of the investigations are being conducted by Inspector Generals. They are authorized to investigate internal operations and employees.  Should they find criminal activities meriting prosecution, their findings are turned over to prosecutors such as Durham.  Durham will take their investigations and develop them into prosecutable cases or deem not to prosecute, as Mueller SHOULD HAVE done.  As you would know if you read news other than tabloids, most of the FBI agents involved in the hoax are no longer employees of the FBI, thus outside the authorities of the IGs but not outside the authorities of the prosecutors. 

It's going to be bad for you guys, very bad.  

Fritz_da_Cat

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May 13, 2019, 11:23:18 PM5/13/19
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This is how you kill the rule of law.

Fritz_da_Cat

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May 13, 2019, 11:24:26 PM5/13/19
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It sure is. The crime regime of trump will fail with this antic.

I-think4me

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May 13, 2019, 11:25:39 PM5/13/19
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It sure is. The crime regime of trump will fail with this antic.
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Yep and looks like Barr is determined to go down with him.

herman

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May 13, 2019, 11:47:55 PM5/13/19
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E. J. Dionne Jr.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-the-battle-over-impeachment-trump-and-the-gop-have-fired-the-first-shots/2019/05/08/5d57fa6e-71d0-11e9-8be0-ca575670e91c_story.html?utm_term=.1a89c4fc1721

...It should be astounding that Republicans want to investigate FBI officials — a goal pressed during the Judiciary Committee debate by Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) — for daring to do their jobs investigating the Trump campaign’s potential Russian ties. But what’s more astonishing is that we are no longer surprised that members of Trump’s party would undercut work aimed at protecting our democracy from intrusion by a hostile foreign power to aggrandize a scam artist....

Minister Rebel

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May 14, 2019, 9:17:19 AM5/14/19
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Oh you mean like Obamas birth certificate, Fucking whore, You should be taken out and ......

btdt100

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May 14, 2019, 10:43:23 AM5/14/19
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That's what they told Wyatt Earp's brothers when they arrived in Tombstone.  It did get bloody.  



Image result for wyatt earp

Irie

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May 14, 2019, 10:32:22 PM5/14/19
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Uh Oh....someone who has prosecutorial discretion...the alt-left shudders....

herman

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May 14, 2019, 10:41:24 PM5/14/19
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Ah, you mean prosecutorial discretion as practiced by Congressional gropers as they initiated and conducted serial "investigations" into the non-scandal of the Benghazi tragedy.

Irie

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May 14, 2019, 10:47:23 PM5/14/19
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Who mentioned Benghazi, son?  
Mayhap you intended to post on a different thread?

herman

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May 14, 2019, 10:52:52 PM5/14/19
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Too bad you didn't read all of my post.

YOU mentioned "prosecutorial discretion" in this thread about multiple investigations of the same issue.

Ergo......I reminded you that your gropers certainly did embrace - bigly - "prosecutorial discretion" re their serial investigations of the Benghazi non-scandal.

Irie

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May 14, 2019, 10:59:11 PM5/14/19
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 Wow, so this putz wants to whimper about Benghazi...sad, on a good day.

herman

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May 14, 2019, 11:00:57 PM5/14/19
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???

Not I.  I've been characterizing it a "non-scandal".

You and your fellow gropers are the ones who obsessed about it.

How many serial investigations did your side conduct of that tragedy?

Irie

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May 14, 2019, 11:09:47 PM5/14/19
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Not you?  Yet you bring it up, continually.  
Now, son, what did I (specifically) say about it (Bhengazi)?  (Citations expected)

So now, since I've summarily dismissed and eviscerated your "yeah but what about the Benghazi claims" bullshit, what do you have to say about the topic of the "never trumpers" being investigated?

herman

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May 14, 2019, 11:24:36 PM5/14/19
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"Continually".....wow.

You're on a roll tonight, little irie.  Melodramatic as ever, and waaaaaasy over-the-top, but, hey, you're emulating your idol Fat Donnie, so, it's to be expected.

I've already explained - although perhaps not to your understanding - that your mention of prosecutorial discretion (in the context of this discussion of multiple investigations of the same issue) opened the door to your gropers' serial investigations of the non-scandal but tragic events at Benghazi.

I-think4me

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May 14, 2019, 11:33:27 PM5/14/19
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Uh Oh....someone who has prosecutorial discretion...the alt-left shudders....
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I keep hearing right wingers saying such things, but I've yet to hear much of anything from anyone on the left of fear or nervousness about an investigation into the origins of the investigation. I've seen frustration and irritation at what the left, and rightfully so IMHO, perceives as a long running false narrative to deflect the spotlight off of Trump. Perhaps you could share a few examples of this fear and shuddering?

Lobo

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May 15, 2019, 12:02:16 AM5/15/19
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<<So now, since I've summarily dismissed and eviscerated your "yeah but what about the Benghazi claims" bullshit, what do you have to say about the topic of the "never trumpers" being investigated?>>

"Investigated" for what? Having political opinions? All FBI agents and management have them; about 90% rightwing Republican, though I never hear anything about anyone being investigated for that (not even when they should; like the New York FBI agents Rudy bragged were feeding him secret information).

It isn't criminal, unethical, unprofessional or wrong for agents to have opinions, or to discuss them between themselves. It would only have been wrong to turn those opinions into official actions, which they obviously did not do. If Strzok and Page had wanted to turn their personal dislike of Trump into political action against Trump (as the New York agents did with their dislike of Hillary), they could have done so easily by leaking the information that the Trump campaign was being investigated for Russian intrusion. Which they did not do.


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Irie

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May 15, 2019, 5:08:44 PM5/15/19
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ROFL...lil spHerm is afraid of the topic..he just want's to blubber about Benghazi.  
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Irie

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May 15, 2019, 5:10:53 PM5/15/19
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Then why all the caterwauling about looking into a faked dossier, flimsy FISA warrants, and domestic spying?
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Irie

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May 15, 2019, 5:15:35 PM5/15/19
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Undoubtedly all have opinions...most just don't talk about how they can actively subvert an election, use phony documents to procure a FISA warrant, or exonerate one side before actually investigating them.
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herman

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May 15, 2019, 5:44:17 PM5/15/19
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You trump supporters whine about this but you haven't proved it happened.

Back to Lobo's point, which, of course, you've ignored, because you cannot dream up a way to refute its significance:

<<< If Strzok and Page had wanted to turn their personal dislike of Trump into political action against Trump (as the New York agents did with their dislike of Hillary), they could have done so easily by leaking the information that the Trump campaign was being investigated for Russian intrusion. Which they did not do.>>>

That Strzok and Page did NOT follow the lead of the anti-Clinton pro-Trump agents in the NYC office and leak information proves they did not act to "subvert" the election.

After all, leaking a la the pro-Trump agents would have been easy, fast, and efficient.

I-think4me

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May 15, 2019, 5:57:02 PM5/15/19
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Then why all the caterwauling about looking into a faked dossier, flimsy FISA warrants, and domestic spying?
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Again care to provide some examples of this "caterwauling"?

plainolamerican

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May 15, 2019, 6:01:27 PM5/15/19
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In 2008, John Durham was appointed by then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey to investigate the destruction of CIA videotapes of detainee interrogations.[8][9][10] On November 8, 2010, Durham closed the investigation without recommending any criminal charges be filed.[11] Durham's final report remains secret.

Irie

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Ah, because they didn't leak you "think" they are pure.

Alrightythen.

LOL
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herman

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May 15, 2019, 8:06:09 PM5/15/19
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"Pure"?  That's not what I wrote, irie.


That Strzok and Page did NOT follow the lead of the anti-Clinton pro-Trump agents in the NYC office and leak information proves they did not act to "subvert" the election.

After all, leaking a la the pro-Trump agents - and Comey - would have been easy, fast, and efficient.

btdt100

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May 15, 2019, 9:11:33 PM5/15/19
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Bullshit argument isn't it?  They got that from poor Comey who is having a panic attack of late. 

We should add that at that time spermie is referring to, they really believed that Shilliary was a shoe in to win the election.  Had they leaked that Trump was under investigation, that would have opened a can of worms for them and highly possibly revealed the spying they had been doing - not an investigation.   

Lobo

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May 16, 2019, 1:26:45 AM5/16/19
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<<Undoubtedly all have opinions...most just don't talk about how they can actively subvert an election, use phony documents to procure a FISA warrant, or exonerate one side before actually investigating them.>>

Who do you think did that? Strzok and Page did none of those things.

Again: if they had wanted to "actively subvert" Trump's election, it would have been a simple matter of exposing the fact that members of his campaign were under investigation for Russian involvement.

What "phony documents to procure a FISA warrant" are you talking about? The Steele Dossier? There was nothing "phony" about it, and it only played a small part in the FISA warrant.

<<or exonerate one side before actually investigating them>>

Who are you talking about? Hillary? She lost the election in large part because the investigation of her was not only made public, but the head of the FBI even strongly suggested wrongdoing while admitting that there was no crime to charge her with. What do you think would have become of Trump if THAT investigation had been treated the same?



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Irie

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The Steele Dossier and the perils of political insurance policies


The wonderful thing about insurance is that you can cover just about anything, so long as you are prepared to pay the premium.

Model Heidi Klum insured her legs for $2.2 million, twice the amount of the insurance on fabled actress Betty Grable’s limbs. Lloyd’s of London once insured a 12-foot cigar. KISS bassist Gene Simmons’ tongue ($1 million), Pittsburgh Steeler Troy Polamalu’s hair ($1 million), Bruce Springsteen’s vocal cords ($6 million), even Rolling Stone Keith Richards’ middle finger ($1.6 million) — all insured.

But what about an election?


According to former British spy Christopher Steele, that was precisely the concern of the Clinton campaign when it paid him and research firm Fusion GPS to compile his controversial dossier on Donald Trump. Despite being widely declared the shoo-in for the White House, the Clinton campaign wanted insurance — and Steele and Fusion were there, as one insurer famously says, “like a good neighbor.”


Steele was recently called for a deposition in London in a defamation action filed by three Russian bankers for allegedly false claims in the dossier. Steele’s statements included some surprising admissions, particularly regarding the purpose of his contract with the U.S. law firm of Perkins Coie.


Throughout the campaign, and for many weeks after, the Clinton campaign denied any involvement in the creation of the dossier that was later used to secure a secret surveillance warrant against Trump associates during the Obama administration. Journalists later discovered that the Clinton campaign hid the payments to Fusion as a “legal fees” among the $5.6 million paid to the law firm. New York Times reporter Ken Vogel at the time said that Clinton lawyer Marc Elias had “vigorously” denied involvement in the anti-Trump dossier. When Vogel tried to report the story, he said, Elias “pushed back vigorously, saying ‘You (or your sources) are wrong.’” Times reporter Maggie Haberman likewise wrote: “Folks involved in funding this lied about it, and with sanctimony, for a year.” Even when Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta was questioned by Congress on the matter, he denied any contractual agreement with Fusion GPS. Sitting beside him was Elias, who helped devise contract.


Later, confronted with the evidence, Clinton and her campaign finally admitted that the dossier was a campaign-funded document that was pushed by Steele and others to the media.


In one of his answers to an interrogatory, Steele explained: “Fusion’s immediate client was law firm Perkins Coie. It engaged Fusion to obtain information necessary for Perkins Coie LLP to provide legal advice on the potential impact of Russian involvement on the legal validity of the outcome of the 2016 U.S. Presidential election. Based on that advice, parties such as the Democratic National Committee and HFACC Inc. (also known as ‘Hillary for America’) could consider steps they would be legally entitled to take to challenge the validity of the outcome of that election.”


Steele’s testimony suggests that the dossier was not just a political hit job but a type of insurance for a catastrophic political event. 

The dossier ultimately found its way from a Fusion GPS employee, Nellie Ohr, to her husband, Justice Department official Bruce Ohr. From there, it became the basis of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants targeting figures like Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, signed off by the Obama administration with the involvement of later-fired FBI director James Comey and his deputy, Andrew McCabe. (Ohr was later demoted over his involvement.) Page was never charged with a crime while key players like Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson invoked the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination to refuse to answer further questions from Congress.


The FBI knew the dossier was part of a Clinton campaign operation but told the secret FISA court that it was only speculating about a possible political motive for the material. Notably, however, the FBI’s warrant application indicates that Steele denied knowing the purpose behind the dossier. In the 412-page application, the FBI buries the issue in a footnote, stating that Steele was hired by Fusion GPS to conduct research on Trump and that “The identified U.S. person never advised [Steele] as to the motivation behind the research into [Trump] ties to Russia. The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. Person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign.”


We now know that Steele and Fusion GPS aggressively shopped the dossier with any reporter who would listen, while also pitching it to Ohr and the FBI. Notably, the dossier story was broken by investigative journalist Michael Isikoff who recently admitted, “When you actually get into the details of the Steele dossier, the specific allegations, we have not seen the evidence to support them, and, in fact, there’s good grounds to think that some of the more sensational allegations will never be proven and are likely false.”


Steele’s recent comments magnify the concerns. Ultimately, the dossier was used for precisely the purpose described by Steele: It led to the special counsel investigation, which quickly diverted to other criminal allegations unrelated to the dossier’s most sensational claims, like hacking or coordination with WikiLeaks and Russian trolling operations. Indeed, Democratic leaders’ new claims of a “massive fraud” in the election is the alleged violation of campaign finance laws to pay hush money to a porn star and former Playboy bunny.


I supported the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller, and still support the completion of his investigation without interference. Yet, we should not be willfully blind to the implications of the dossier’s use to support a secret FISA investigation. 


Some of us have long criticized the secret court as operating below the constitutional standard set out in the Fourth Amendment for searches and seizures. In this case, using that secret court, a dossier funded by the Democratic presidential candidate was given to the outgoing Democratic administration to investigate advisers to the Republican challenger and his business dealings. That alone should be deeply troubling, even without the unproven allegations.


Of course, Clinton wasn’t the only candidate seeking political insurance. The controversial Trump Tower meeting with Russian operatives was held to hear promised evidence of alleged criminality by Clinton and her foundation; both candidates sought information from Russian sources to undermine each other. That may be unseemly, but it’s not unlawful.


The submission of at least one of Mueller’s reports may be just weeks away. Regardless of whether he finds crimes, it was important for this investigation to reach its proper conclusions. Yet, no matter how it ends, concerns will remain over how it began ... as a political insurance plan.


https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/422592-steeles-curious-comments-suggest-dossier-was-insurance-plan

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