Frederick Hugh Rainer Trenchard

[Michael Rhodes]

Mira Trenchard (nee Popken), wife of the Hon. Alexander Thomas
Trenchard (b. 26 Jul 1978),
gave birth to a son, Frederick Hugh Rainer, in London, 22 Nov, 2008.

Alexander is the son and heir of the 3rd Viscount Trenchard (b. 12 Mar
1951), of Standon Lordship, Hertfordshire, by his wife, the former
Fiona Elizabeth Morrison (b. 1954), daughter of the late 2nd Baron
Margadale, & Mira is a daughter of the late Herr Rainer Ostendorf and
of Frau Hannelore Popken, of Hamburg, Germany.

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[Shinjinee]

Another title with an heir apparent (son) and a second heir apparent
(son of a son)!

Shinjinee

On Dec 10, 5:04 am, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[marquess]

Speaking of which Michael and Shinjinee, have you seen Debretts 2008
and the entry for Lord Hylton, four sons two of whom are married and
have six daus between them, I also believe that the brother of the
current baron has a son who has daus as well; and news on a son on
that one?

[Shinjinee]

No, I haven't seen Debrett's yet. But yes, this doesn't look so good,
does it, for the fate of this barony in the long run? Not that I am
against daughters at all, but with the peerage remainders being what
they are, I sometimes wonder if only a few old English and a fewer
British titles will survive another three to six hundred years. Most
Scottish titles of course have very generous remainders - heirs
general, heirs male in tail, heirs male whatsover, etc.

Shinjinee

[Richard R]

My sources tell me Lord Hylton's brother has a few more grandsons!
Although they were all born before Debretts 08 went to press, they
didn't make it into that edition, namely:

Hugo Conrad William Jolliffe (b 1966) has two sons from his 1999
marriage to Rebecca Lawrence:
1 Samuel Robin b 2003
2 Jacob Horner b 2005

Benedict Thomas Aldhelm Jolliffe (b 1970) marr in 2005 Honor Drysdale
(not in Deb 08) and has a son:
1 George Immanuel b 2005

Their brother, Robert Francis Raymond Jolliffe, still has no issue
from his 2000 marriage to Rebecca John (& interesting two brothers
marr Rebeccas. Must get very confusing come Christmas!)

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[marquess]

Well Richard perhaps you could enlighten me on some of the collaterals
in remainder to the marquisate of Sligo as it seems to me that alot of
info has escaped Debretts? I know for example that some of the Sligo
daus are married with issue, though this is not listed. My main
concern are Patrick Ulick Anthony Howe's sons, Patrick Alexander by 65
Anthony Howe b 67 not listed as married no info on them. Then Richard
Howe and Jeremy Ulick b 62 & 63 between them. I find it hard to
believe that these four have not married between them?

[Richard R]

I have no up to date info on the Sligos but I agree it's likely at
least one of the four you mention has married. If I hear anything I'll
post it!

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[Shinjinee]

I have information on grandsons! Kindly contributed by a member of
another family, who has information

The Hon. Alexander John Charles Martin Jolliffe (b. 1973), third son
of the 5th Baron Hylton, married 2000 Helen Archer, daughter of Mr
Neville Archer, of Buckland Newton, Dorse, and Mrs Simon Ashenden, of
London SW6. Was she the twin sister (certainly the sister) of Kate R.
Archer who married 10 June 2006 Mark W.R. Hoare,
elder son of Mr & Mrs Christopher Hoare, of Coopersale, Essex.

According to the informant:
Hon Alex Joliffe and his wife Helen now have a son Dominic Alexander
Raymond, born on 7 May 2008. Yippee!

He is line to the peerage after his father, his father's older
brothers (and any sons they may have in the future).

Succession:
1. Hon. William Henry Martin Jolliffe b. 1 Apr 1967
2. Hon. Andrew Thomas Peter Jolliffe b. 29 Jun 1969
3. Hon. Alexander John Charles Martin Jolliffe b. 10 Feb 1973; md 2000
Helen Archer; issue
3.1. Dominic Alexander Raymond Jolliffe b. 7 May 2008.
4. Hon. John Edward Arthur Jolliffe b. 1977

I have an interest in this family for a couple of reasons:

a) the Baroness Hylton, born de Bertodano (interesting family in of
itself), is maternally descended from the Savile earls of Mexborough,
and thus related to two Catholic families I follow - the Eystons of
East Hendreds and the Scropes of Danby (branches descended from
sisters of the mother of Lady Hylton).

b) the Lord Hylton is the son of Lady Perdita Asquith, whose
nonagenarian brother is still alive. His mother converted to
Catholicism and I believe raised all her children as Catholics.
Raymond was the name of her husband Raymond Asquith (killed in the
First World war) and thus the name of Lord Joliffe (their grandson);
it is also the name of Viscount Asquith, whose only son Hon Mark
Asquith married recently. Dominic is the name of Lord Oxford's younger
brother, a former British Ambassador to Iraq.

I am afraid that I have no further Jolliffe information, not having
seen Debretts 2008. Every time I go to the library, I mean to, but I
get distracted! (The library is under renovation in any case).

Shinjinee
On Dec 10, 3:03 pm, marquess <marquessmarqu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Speaking of which Michael and Shinjinee, have you seen Debretts 2008

> and the entry for LordHylton, four sons two of whom are married and