Mt Williams Glencoe
Val Attenbrow
The Australian Museum Archaeology Collection has two small-medium sized boxes of artefacts that are labelled “Mt William Glencoe”.
Some artefacts are labelled “Mount William Quarry Lower” and some “Mount William Quarry Top”.
There are a series of small bags, obviously from an excavation, that are labelled Glen/1/Layer C1 to C10.
The material has either never been registered into the Archaeology Collection, or the registration details have become divorced from the boxes.
If anyone has any information about who the collectors/excavators were or when the collections/excavations were made, or any other information about them, could you please let me or Allison Dejanovic.
Best wishes
Val
Dr Val Attenbrow
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Iain Stuart
I am assuming that Mount William and Mount William Quarry must mean the Mount William greenstone quarries near Lancefield (although being open to the possibility of other Mount Williams) but I was unaware of any excavations and in any case post 1972 surely the artefacts would have to be lodged in Victoria.
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Richard Wright
Richard
At 10:17 AM 18/08/2015, you wrote:
I am assuming that Mount William and Mount William Quarry must mean the Mount William greenstone quarries near Lancefield (although being open to the possibility of other Mount Williams) but I was unaware of any excavations and in any case post 1972 surely the artefacts would have to be lodged in Victoria.
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The Australian Museum Archaeology Collection has two small-medium sized boxes of artefacts that are labelled “Mt William Glencoe†.
Some artefacts are labelled “Mount William Quarry Lower†and some “Mount William Quarry Top†.
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Val Attenbrow
Richard and Iain, many thanks for your responses.
I had assumed the artefacts were from Mt William Quarry in Victoria given that they included several axe blanks. Also an internet search found reference to a property called Glencoe in the Sunbury district, near Mt William quarry.
The bagging and labelling of the material suggests it is pre-legislation in age, and it could thus could come from outside New South Wales.
Richard, do you know of a Mount William, near Glencoe in NSW? I haven’t found any reference to a Mount William in NE NSW on the internet, Google Earth or NSW Geographic Names Board.
Best wishes
Val
Dr Val Attenbrow
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Australian Museum Research Institute
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Annie Ross
I think "glencoe" may be a common property name in Australia. There is a "Glencoe" property on the Raak Plains in NW Victoria (where I did my PhD about a hundred years ago!).
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John Pickard
Richard and Iain, many thanks for your responses.
Val Attenbrow
John,
Many thanks for all the detail – I also found those and should have said in my email that I hadn’t found reference to a Mount William near Glencoe on the NENSW.
We have just compared the pXRF analyses for the ‘Glencoe’ artefacts with some other Mt William Quarry material held in the AusMus. The spectra for both are remarkably similar on screen, but I would still like to hear from anyone who has any information about the ‘Glencoe’ artefacts.
Best wishes
Val
Dr Val Attenbrow
Senior Fellow
Australian Museum Research Institute
Australian Museum, 6 College Street, Sydney, NSW 2010, Australia
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Gary Vines
I have a vague recollection of artefacts from Mount William being in a private collection at a nearby farm. Glencoe is about 4km away
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Richard Wright
There is a place called Glencoe, on the New England Highway, between Guyra and Glen Innes.
In this area there is a Mount William.
http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/place_naming/placename_search/extract?id=SXYbWyWAIt
I have no idea whether there is an archaeological site there but it is, of course, Isabel McBryde country.
Cheers,
Richard
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Val Attenbrow
Richard, thanks for your response. I thought the distance between Glencoe and the Mt Williams in NE NSW was too great for there to be an association. I checked with Isabel McBryde and she didn't carry out any excavations at a site called Mt William Glencoe in NSW, though she did collect some material from a site called Mt King William in NENSW.
She also did not know of any early excavations undertaken at Mt William Axe Quarry in Victoria.
A bit more searching in the AM database came across an association between the AM collection and the Grampians, which would suggest the collection is from Mt William Axe Quarry in Victoria. But I still found no information about who made the collection/excavation or when they were made.
Many thanks to everyone for your feedback.
Best wishes
Val
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Caroline Bird
Sorry for the slow response. I think you will find that these collections are from the Grampians. The excavation bags are likely to be from excavations at Billimina / Glen Isla 1. I reanalysed the material from Donald Tugby's 1953 excavations at the site. The site was then known as Painted Rock. Dermot Casey and Alan West also excavated there in the late 1960s and then of course Peter Coutts excavated there in the 1970s. The label you quote on the bags looks very like some of the old Glen Isla labels. There is a bit of a history of the various investigations at the site in Bird, C & Frankel, D 2005 An archaeology of Gariwerd: from Pleistocene to Holocene in Western Victoria, Tempus 8, Anthropology Museum, University of Queensland - see Chapter 2.
If all the material is related then it is likely that the Mount William referred to is the Mount William in the eastern part of the Grampians. There is also Mt William Swamp. There is a Glencoe south of the Grampians. I don't know of a quarry at Mount William. However, Jallukar is quite close to there and there may well be suitable candidates elsewhere in the Stavely Belt on the east side of the ranges that might reasonably use Mt William as a reference.
Tugby's collections that I worked with were in fairly poor condition and scrappily documented. And I'm pretty sure from memory that the labels all said PR for Painted Rock. But Glen/1 definitely suggests Glen Isla - maybe from Casey and West? I may have some notes that might help. Contact me off list if you would like me to dig them out.
Regards
Caroline