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And all of a sudden it’s a “ceremonial meeting place of national significance.” Really?
Lots of great photos...of debitage. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/call-to-halt-sydney-light-rail-after-massive-indigenous-artefact-find-20160329-gnsxr4.html
Robert
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I grew up in Randwick / Maroubra and regularly caught the tram along Alison Road, 1940s-60s (the one they are now replicating with the light rail!). The Moreton Bay figs (one allegedly marking a mass grave) are historical plantings – first along Anzac Parade in the 1860s and then in Moore Park and Centennial Park (on the north side of Alison Road at this point).
I know a bit about the history of this area*, but nothing about Aboriginal sites. Is this unusual/ unique in size and content? Given the sandstone geology I assume the raw material for all artefacts in this area had to come from somewhere else.
Jeannette Hope
*Trivial pursuit: The family home in Randwick was called ‘Don Juan’ after Byron’s work of that name, because it was adjacent to Jewish musician Isaac Nathan’s 1853 land grant ‘Byron Lodge’. Nearby was Ada Lane, named for the mathematician Ada Lovelace, Byron’s daughter. Nathan collected Aboriginal music and incorporated it into the European tradition, including a lament inspired by the 1838 Myall Creek massacre. He died in 1864 when run down in Pitt Street while alighting from a horse-drawn tram.
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Jeanette,
Re http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/call-to-halt-sydney-light-rail-after-massive-indigenous-artefact-find-20160329-gnsxr4.html --- what about the "marriage stones"?
Do you know those .. ? .... or did you see any when you lived at Randwick.
I used to go there to UNSW for Geology I --- and some called it the university in the sand dunes but has all that dune sand now been covered up? I have not been "Back to Randwick" for yonks.
That is why I would like to return and lay mine eyes on the new "massive indigenous artefact find".
I doubt Uncle Des (or whoever it was who's saying a mark on a Moreton Bay fig at the Randwick find) means a nearby grave .. but I am nonetheless at least thankful re Uncle Des that he goes around saying things ---- for it was some words of his, to a consultant for Hawkesbury Council, that first set me off on the path leading to my belief that there was a 'second Blacktown' at Freeman's Reach heights, above Bushell's Lagoon where you can find "Blacktown Road" on the street directory (something that is still being adamantly denied by Hawkesbury Council ~ but I of course think they are wrong).
Re "Is this unusual/ unique in size and content?" at Randwick .. 22,000 (and still counting?) Aboriginal artefacts in a small area would seem unusual to me. I have earlier today sent about other high volume sites (as being discussed) that might be in Sydney region. But others should know better about that than I.
Do you know where to find Nathan's lament for the 1838 Myall Creek massacre?
Cheers,
John Byrnes
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I grew up in Randwick / Maroubra and regularly caught the tram along Alison Road, 1940s-60s (the one they are now replicating with the light rail!). The Moreton Bay figs (one allegedly marking a mass grave) are historical plantings – first along Anzac Parade in the 1860s and then in Moore Park and Centennial Park (on the north side of Alison Road at this point).
I know a bit about the history of this area*, but nothing about Aboriginal sites. Is this unusual/ unique in size and content? Given the sandstone geology I assume the raw material for all artefacts in this area had to come from somewhere else.
Jeannette Hope
*Trivial pursuit: The family home in Randwick was called ‘Don Juan’ after Byron’s work of that name, because it was adjacent to Jewish musician Isaac Nathan’s 1853 land grant ‘Byron Lodge’. Nearby was Ada Lane, named for the mathematician Ada Lovelace, Byron’s daughter. Nathan collected Aboriginal music and incorporated it into the European tradition, including a lament inspired by the 1838 Myall Creek massacre. He died in 1864 when run down in Pitt Street while alighting from a horse-drawn tram.
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And all of a sudden it’s a “ceremonial meeting place of national significance.” Really?
Lots of great photos...of debitage. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/call-to-halt-sydney-light-rail-after-massive-indigenous-artefact-find-20160329-gnsxr4.html
Robert
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Who would have thought that eventually a string of emails about a Randwick site would lead to the Strongs??
Tessa C
Hello,
Thanks Dennis ~ Goodness, what an interesting poem!
And do all things eventually lead to the Strongs?
If so, perhaps simply because it is they saying that all things (all religions, all races, all civilisation .. everything .. ) comes from Australia [at Kariong near Woy Woy] with more than a little help from the visitors they infer from the Pleiades constellation.
They say, as you probably know, that the time has come that the Elders want them to make all this known.
I imagine that similar things have been said before -- but in any case the Strongs will be speaking about it all some more ("Forgotten Origin - Out of Australia Theory: Steven & Evan Strong's New Theory of Human Civilisation" again soon, later this month at Ryde-Eastwood Leagues Club in West Ryde. Their announcement says "We also hope to discuss, if the Elders give us permission, our research on an engraving of an astronaut - alien, at a site not released before, and present our findings for the first time at this talk".
For the last engraving of a UFO they discussed, doubters called it a 'whale' instead.
The site of Slater's great 'Australian stonehenge' is still being rather elusive. Although the Strongs have written a lot about where they believe it to be nothing is yet pin-point specific.
As you know, Salter collaborated with, and encouraged, a local school teacher and as with many things there may be some interesting things to it all - such as the still unsolved Kariong matter of exactly what is Roz's rock? As I gather, some of Slater's correspondence with the school teacher turned up in a back room of what used to be the school .. or something like that. That lead to another resurgence of the probably otherwise long-forgotten matter(?).
Cheers,
John
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Hi John
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Great ...
Thanks Denis, I was interested in just where is this reportedly turned-up correspondence now. Is it being conserved by a local historical society or what?
I seem to recall that I'd read it was found in a back room of building which had been the old schoolhouse once?
Lots said about this site (the Australian Stonehenge) but I gather nobody has really pinned down exactly where Slater was getting so enthused about?
Latest offering I noticed is about stones that "levitate" .. I haven't yet caught up with that.
Cheers,
John
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More news on the Randwick dig.
Thanks but nothing new here is there?
The Government apparently still hasn't had it determined what the rock type is.
And I still have not been able to get a photo of what's being called "marriage stones" from there.
This was the first place I'd heard of "marriage stones" from.
Oh well .. it all takes time it seems.
Does anyone know if/when they resumed digging .. as they seemed to call a self-imposed voluntary halt when Canberra was called upon (even though the Minister there said it was none of his business).
Cheers,
John
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