Hey bT!
Bill Shatzer
Given your eagerness to pounce on every Obama misspeak, how come you
failed to mention Huckabee's factual blunder? His is certainly more than
a mere slip of the tongue - and kinda makes "57 states" pale into
insignificance.
But, perhaps you only pounce when it's Obama's misspeak and right wing
idiots like Huckabee get a free pass from you?
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/02/huckabee_kenya_obama/
In a radio interview on Monday, Mike Huckabee said that President Obama
was a) raised in Kenya; and b) as a consequence of this Kenyan
upbringing, probably indoctrinated with anti-Western views by his father
and grandfather and their stories about the Mau Mau uprising of the
early 1950s.
When the comments made national news on Tuesday, Huckabee, through a
spokesman, claimed that he'd "simply misspoken" and that he'd "meant to
say the president grew up in Indonesia." This explanation made little
sense, because Huckabee hadn't merely said the word "Kenya" -- he'd
discussed at length and in detail some of the "troubling" implications
of Obama's Kenyan upbringing. If he'd merely misspoken, there would have
been no talk of the Mau Mau uprising.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/01/huckabee_obama_kenya
"Facts? We don't need no steenkin' facts!"
peace and justice,
Curt
> Given your eagerness to pounce on every Obama misspeak, how come you
> failed to mention Huckabee's factual blunder? His is certainly more than
> a mere slip of the tongue - and kinda makes "57 states" pale into
> insignificance.
>
> But, perhaps you only pounce when it's Obama's misspeak and right wing
> idiots like Huckabee get a free pass from you?
>
>
> In a radio interview on Monday, Mike Huckabee said that President Obama
> was a) raised in Kenya; and b) as a consequence of this Kenyan
> upbringing, probably indoctrinated with anti-Western views by his father
> and grandfather and their stories about the Mau Mau uprising of the
> early 1950s.
>
> When the comments made national news on Tuesday, Huckabee, through a
> spokesman, claimed that he'd "simply misspoken" and that he'd "meant to
> say the president grew up in Indonesia." This explanation made little
> sense, because Huckabee hadn't merely said the word "Kenya" -- he'd
> discussed at length and in detail some of the "troubling" implications
> of Obama's Kenyan upbringing. If he'd merely misspoken, there would have
> been no talk of the Mau Mau uprising.
>
>
> "Facts? We don't need no steenkin' facts!"
>
> peace and justice,
Hucklebuckle's pandering to the Idiot Base. And the Idiot Base loves
them that Kenya stuff.
Either that or Hucklebuckle's an idiot too, and as it turns out,
there's no difference between pandering to the Idiot Base and being an
idiot.
Curt
Jarbidge
> Given your eagerness to pounce on every Obama misspeak, how come you
> failed to mention Huckabee's factual blunder?
Ikyabwai.
Jarbidge
Pity Obama has shrunk from shutting hem all up, isn't it?
slide trombone
> failed to mention Huckabee's factual blunder? His is certainly more than
> a mere slip of the tongue - and kinda makes "57 states" pale into
> insignificance.
>
> But, perhaps you only pounce when it's Obama's misspeak and right wing
> idiots like Huckabee get a free pass from you?
>
>
> In a radio interview on Monday, Mike Huckabee said that President Obama
> was a) raised in Kenya; and b) as a consequence of this Kenyan
> upbringing, probably indoctrinated with anti-Western views by his father
> and grandfather and their stories about the Mau Mau uprising of the
> early 1950s.
>
> When the comments made national news on Tuesday, Huckabee, through a
> spokesman, claimed that he'd "simply misspoken" and that he'd "meant to
> say the president grew up in Indonesia." This explanation made little
> sense, because Huckabee hadn't merely said the word "Kenya" -- he'd
> discussed at length and in detail some of the "troubling" implications
> of Obama's Kenyan upbringing. If he'd merely misspoken, there would have
> been no talk of the Mau Mau uprising.
>
>
> "Facts? We don't need no steenkin' facts!"
>
> peace and justice,
A much bigger gaff is Obama not knowing his Federal Workers don't have
collective bargaining rights for wages and benefits.
Bob Tiernan
.
> But, perhaps you only pounce when it's Obama's
> misspeak and right wing idiots like Huckabee
> get a free pass from you?
.
Probably because I don't like Huckabee and hope
he never gets anywhere (unlike CLW, I didn't
react like a fool over his Iowa win).
But anyway, my usual reactions are based on
pointing out the double standards of yooz guyz,
i.e. you spent all that time poking Bush for
how he said things and stuff, and never noticed
Bam-Bam doing worse, which tells me that this
sort of thing was either not an issue even
when Bush did it but that you were just playing
politics, or it really did mean something when
Bush did it but you've had to pretend Obama
doesn't do it.
Huckabee doesn't fit into this discussion at all.
Bob T
Bill Shatzer
> On Mar 2, 2:46 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
>
>>Given your eagerness to pounce on every Obama misspeak, how come you
>>failed to mention Huckabee's factual blunder? His is certainly more than
>>a mere slip of the tongue - and kinda makes "57 states" pale into
>>insignificance.
>>
>>But, perhaps you only pounce when it's Obama's misspeak and right wing
>>idiots like Huckabee get a free pass from you?
>>
>>http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/02/huckabee_kenya...
>>
>>In a radio interview on Monday, Mike Huckabee said that President Obama
>>was a) raised in Kenya; and b) as a consequence of this Kenyan
>>upbringing, probably indoctrinated with anti-Western views by his father
>>and grandfather and their stories about the Mau Mau uprising of the
>>early 1950s.
>>
>>When the comments made national news on Tuesday, Huckabee, through a
>>spokesman, claimed that he'd "simply misspoken" and that he'd "meant to
>>say the president grew up in Indonesia." This explanation made little
>>sense, because Huckabee hadn't merely said the word "Kenya" -- he'd
>>discussed at length and in detail some of the "troubling" implications
>>of Obama's Kenyan upbringing. If he'd merely misspoken, there would have
>>been no talk of the Mau Mau uprising.
>>
>>http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/01/huckabee_obama...
>>
>>"Facts? We don't need no steenkin' facts!"
> Hucklebuckle's pandering to the Idiot Base. And the Idiot Base loves
> them that Kenya stuff.
> Either that or Hucklebuckle's an idiot too, and as it turns out,
> there's no difference between pandering to the Idiot Base and being an
> idiot.
I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by his
father and grandfather" bit.
After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a month
when Obama was ten-years old. SFAIK, he never met his paternal grandfather.
peace and justice,
slide trombone
Did you like Bill Clinton when he said he admired the Iowa Caucuses
ever since he was a child?
Bill Shatzer
> Billy said:
>> But, perhaps you only pounce when it's Obama's
>> misspeak and right wing idiots like Huckabee
>> get a free pass from you?
> Probably because I don't like Huckabee and hope
> he never gets anywhere (unlike CLW, I didn't
> react like a fool over his Iowa win).
Yet you clearly don't like Obama but you hang on every word he utters,
diligently searching for something to whine about.
Why the difference?
> But anyway, my usual reactions are based on
> pointing out the double standards of yooz guyz,
> i.e. you spent all that time poking Bush for
> how he said things and stuff, and never noticed
> Bam-Bam doing worse, which tells me that this
> sort of thing was either not an issue even
> when Bush did it but that you were just playing
> politics, or it really did mean something when
> Bush did it but you've had to pretend Obama
> doesn't do it.
Here's a period: "."
Learn to use it. A 75 word sentence is difficult to follow in the best
of circumstances. When you're the author, it's incomprehensible.
I have no idea what you thought you said there.
> Huckabee doesn't fit into this discussion at all.
I'm the OP.
Huckabee and your ignoring his faux pas WAS the subject!
Did ya' catch Gingrich's speech the other night? He was using a
teleprompter! Why no comment from you on that?
peace and justice
Bill Shatzer
> Did you like Bill Clinton when he said he admired the Iowa Caucuses
> ever since he was a child?
Iowa has had party caucuses since 1846. What's the problem?
peace and justice,
Jarbidge
> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by his
> father and grandfather" bit.
>
> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a month
> when Obama was ten-years old.
Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with shaping
his persona.
Go figure...you liar.
Jarbidge
> Did ya' catch Gingrich's speech the other night? He was using a
> teleprompter!
Is HE the President?
No.
Go hide, coward.
Scratch
news:4d6f...@news.x-privat.org:
Odd that is huh!
--
"A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big
enough to take it all away."
- Barry Goldwater
Just Words Just Speeches
- Barack Obama - 2008
Moder@tor
Spammy, you've degenerated into your old self. But it took you two
whole months this time, so some credit is due.
Bill is, however, correct in that Obama saw his father only once:
"But whatever one's politics, a fair-minded reading of Obama's history
suggests that he is a figure of strength whose resilience was forged
by his struggles to fill the hole left by an absent father, a Kenyan
whom he met once, at Christmastime 1971."
Jarbidge
> Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> offered these wise words
> news:4d6f...@news.x-privat.org:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>
>>> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by
>>> his father and grandfather" bit.
>>>
>>> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>>> month when Obama was ten-years old.
>>
>> Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with shaping
>> his persona.
>>
>> Go figure...you liar.
>>
>>
> Odd that is huh!
There will be only crickets from Shatzer.
Jarbidge
> On 3 Mar 2011 16:52:01 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>
>>> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by
>>> his father and grandfather" bit.
>>>
>>> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>>> month when Obama was ten-years old.
>>
>>Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with shaping
>>his persona.
>>
>>Go figure...you liar.
>
> Spammy, you've degenerated into your old self. But it took you two whole
> months this time, so some credit is due.
Who is this "Spammy" of which you and Martin speak?
Did he mistreat you?
> Bill is, however, correct in that Obama saw his father only once:
>
> "But whatever one's politics, a fair-minded reading of Obama's history
> suggests that he is a figure of strength whose resilience was forged by
> his struggles to fill the hole left by an absent father, a Kenyan whom
> he met once, at Christmastime 1971."
Yet somehow that "once" formed the cradle of his beliefs, the nexus of
his political anti-colonialism mindset.
Must have been a heck of a meeting, eh?
Oh, btw, some background:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/248714/dinesh-dsouza-anti-colonial-
business-interview
Go read his book, starting with the title Dreams from My Father. The
whole book is about how Obama shaped his values, personality, and
identity in the image of his father. So I took Obama at his word on this
and then asked the question, “If Obama took his father’s anti-colonial
ideology, how does that help to explain his policies?” Not only it does
it explain Obama’s foreign and domestic policy, it also explains lots of
little details about Obama’s actions that no other theory can explain.
But if Obama got his formative ideas when he was very young, and if they
are the result of his traumatic relationship with his father, then they
are built into his psyche. He’s not going to change because, to his anti-
colonial mindset, meeting the Republicans halfway is a form of sellout.
He would be untrue to his principles if he were to cut deals with a group
that he considers to be the neocolonial party.
Moder@tor
>On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:05:18 +0100, Moder@tor wrote:
>
>> On 3 Mar 2011 16:52:01 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>
>>>> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by
>>>> his father and grandfather" bit.
>>>>
>>>> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>>>> month when Obama was ten-years old.
>>>
>>>Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with shaping
>>>his persona.
>>>
>>>Go figure...you liar.
>>
>> Spammy, you've degenerated into your old self. But it took you two whole
>> months this time, so some credit is due.
>
>Who is this "Spammy" of which you and Martin speak?
Nice try, Spammy. Your posting patterns and style of writing fit
exactly to the little pathetic piece of shit known as Spammy. If the
shoe fits....
>
>Did he mistreat you?
>
>> Bill is, however, correct in that Obama saw his father only once:
>>
>> "But whatever one's politics, a fair-minded reading of Obama's history
>> suggests that he is a figure of strength whose resilience was forged by
>> his struggles to fill the hole left by an absent father, a Kenyan whom
>> he met once, at Christmastime 1971."
>
>Yet somehow that "once" formed the cradle of his beliefs, the nexus of
>his political anti-colonialism mindset.
Not at all surprising. My father-in-law never met his father. He was
killed in the war. He had a picture of where he is buried, that was
all he had. But he idolized him and credited him as being his major
influence. There are people I have never met who have influenced me.
Is that *really* so hard a concept to understand for you? Or are you
just being a Wingnut?
>Must have been a heck of a meeting, eh?
>
>Oh, btw, some background:
You mean propoganda.
<snippage>
A Quote from the National Review, shill for the Right extremists.
Great. REAL balanced journalism there, Spammy. You're a pathetic hack.
Moder@tor
Why should he answer? His post was factually correct. You are the one
trying to spin it. That's why you keep dancing after each post. Accept
the fact that like many of us, Obama cites his father as an influence.
That he only met him once is more than some.
Scratch
news:hepvm69sk59es6nep...@4ax.com:
Hahahahohohohaha... That's rich.
Jarbidge
> On 3 Mar 2011 19:48:02 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:05:18 +0100, Moder@tor wrote:
>>
>>> On 3 Mar 2011 16:52:01 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by
>>>>> his father and grandfather" bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>>>>> month when Obama was ten-years old.
>>>>
>>>>Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with shaping
>>>>his persona.
>>>>
>>>>Go figure...you liar.
>>>
>>> Spammy, you've degenerated into your old self. But it took you two
>>> whole months this time, so some credit is due.
>>
>>Who is this "Spammy" of which you and Martin speak?
>
> Nice try, Spammy. Your posting patterns and style of writing fit exactly
> to the little pathetic piece of shit known as Spammy. If the shoe
> fits....
Good grief, with overwhelming anecdotal evidence like that I stand
convicted!
>>Did he mistreat you?
>>
>>> Bill is, however, correct in that Obama saw his father only once:
>>>
>>> "But whatever one's politics, a fair-minded reading of Obama's history
>>> suggests that he is a figure of strength whose resilience was forged
>>> by his struggles to fill the hole left by an absent father, a Kenyan
>>> whom he met once, at Christmastime 1971."
>>
>>Yet somehow that "once" formed the cradle of his beliefs, the nexus of
>>his political anti-colonialism mindset.
>
> Not at all surprising. My father-in-law never met his father. He was
> killed in the war. He had a picture of where he is buried, that was all
> he had. But he idolized him and credited him as being his major
> influence. There are people I have never met who have influenced me. Is
> that *really* so hard a concept to understand for you? Or are you just
> being a Wingnut?
Iow, you DO concede that Obama's father's politics heavily influenced him.
Thank you.
>>Must have been a heck of a meeting, eh?
>>
>>Oh, btw, some background:
>
> You mean propoganda.
No,background, and well- researched at that!
> <snippage>
Expected too.
> A Quote from the National Review, shill for the Right extremists. Great.
> REAL balanced journalism there, Spammy. You're a pathetic hack.
The quotes we re from D'Souza, NR simply interviewed him.
Do you find anything he said that doesn't jibe with his book?
Or is this just another lame 'shoot the messenger' run?
Jarbidge
> On 3 Mar 2011 19:39:29 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:32:28 +0000, Scratch wrote:
>>
>>> Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> offered these wise words
>>> news:4d6f...@news.x-privat.org:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by
>>>>> his father and grandfather" bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>>>>> month when Obama was ten-years old.
>>>>
>>>> Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with
>>>> shaping his persona.
>>>>
>>>> Go figure...you liar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Odd that is huh!
>>
>>There will be only crickets from Shatzer.
>
> Why should he answer?
Why should he shrink from answering?
> His post was factually correct.
His implications and conclusions were structurally unsound.
> You are the one trying to spin it.
Not for a moment, in fact you just agreed with my premise, and D'Souza's
in the last post.
> That's why you keep dancing after each post.
The steps are all yours.
> Accept the fact that like many of us, Obama cites his father as an
> influence.
But I do, I do!
It was Bill that minimized that, not me.
> That he only met him once is more than some.
That is irrelevant, even IF it may be true.
Jarbidge
> "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> offered these wise words
> news:hepvm69sk59es6nep...@4ax.com:
>
>> On 3 Mar 2011 19:39:29 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:32:28 +0000, Scratch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> offered these wise words
>>>> news:4d6f...@news.x-privat.org:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views
>>>>>> by his father and grandfather" bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>>>>>> month when Obama was ten-years old.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with
>>>>> shaping his persona.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go figure...you liar.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Odd that is huh!
>>>
>>>There will be only crickets from Shatzer.
>>
>> Why should he answer? His post was factually correct. You are the one
>> trying to spin it. That's why you keep dancing after each post. Accept
>> the fact that like many of us, Obama cites his father as an influence.
>> That he only met him once is more than some.
>>
>>
> Hahahahohohohaha... That's rich.
The Liars Club Intl. is back in session...
Scratch
> There are people I have never met who have influenced me. Is
>> that *really* so hard a concept to understand for you? Or are you
>> just being a Wingnut?
>
> Iow, you DO concede that Obama's father's politics heavily
> influenced him.
>
> Thank you.
HA! :)
Bill Shatzer
> Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> offered these wise words
> news:4d6f...@news.x-privat.org:
>>On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views
>>>by his father and grandfather" bit.
>>>
>>>After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>>>month when Obama was ten-years old.
>>
>>Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with
>>shaping his persona.
>>
>>Go figure...you liar.
> Odd that is huh!
The book says no such thing. You've obviously never read it.
Incidently, the title is Dreams FROM My Father.
peace and justice,
Moder@tor
>On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:02:19 +0100, Moder@tor wrote:
>
>> On 3 Mar 2011 19:48:02 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:05:18 +0100, Moder@tor wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3 Mar 2011 16:52:01 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by
>>>>>> his father and grandfather" bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>>>>>> month when Obama was ten-years old.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with shaping
>>>>>his persona.
>>>>>
>>>>>Go figure...you liar.
>>>>
>>>> Spammy, you've degenerated into your old self. But it took you two
>>>> whole months this time, so some credit is due.
>>>
>>>Who is this "Spammy" of which you and Martin speak?
>>
>> Nice try, Spammy. Your posting patterns and style of writing fit exactly
>> to the little pathetic piece of shit known as Spammy. If the shoe
>> fits....
>
>Good grief, with overwhelming anecdotal evidence like that I stand
>convicted!
Oh, there's plenty of other proof. Let's start with the fact that you
knew the other spammer was Martin. You two have been an item in these
NGs forever, Spammy. You're outed, as if everyone already didn't know.
The only thing missing is the ASCII penises you used to post. But hey,
I like the new you better than that old POS, and am glad we don't have
to live through you dogging everyone with the SOS, so let's let it
lie, ok?
>
>>>Did he mistreat you?
>>>
>>>> Bill is, however, correct in that Obama saw his father only once:
>>>>
>>>> "But whatever one's politics, a fair-minded reading of Obama's history
>>>> suggests that he is a figure of strength whose resilience was forged
>>>> by his struggles to fill the hole left by an absent father, a Kenyan
>>>> whom he met once, at Christmastime 1971."
>>>
>>>Yet somehow that "once" formed the cradle of his beliefs, the nexus of
>>>his political anti-colonialism mindset.
>>
>> Not at all surprising. My father-in-law never met his father. He was
>> killed in the war. He had a picture of where he is buried, that was all
>> he had. But he idolized him and credited him as being his major
>> influence. There are people I have never met who have influenced me. Is
>> that *really* so hard a concept to understand for you? Or are you just
>> being a Wingnut?
>
>Iow, you DO concede that Obama's father's politics heavily influenced him.
Never disputed it. That's your straw man.
>Thank you.
>
>>>Must have been a heck of a meeting, eh?
>>>
>>>Oh, btw, some background:
>>
>> You mean propoganda.
>
>No,background, and well- researched at that!
Propoganda from a slanted press. Nothing else. A throw away.
>> <snippage>
>
>Expected too.
>
>> A Quote from the National Review, shill for the Right extremists. Great.
>> REAL balanced journalism there, Spammy. You're a pathetic hack.
>
>The quotes we re from D'Souza, NR simply interviewed him.
>
>Do you find anything he said that doesn't jibe with his book?
>
>Or is this just another lame 'shoot the messenger' run?
I never disputed that, just your calling Bill a liar. Here is your
original answer:
>On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by his
> father and grandfather" bit.
>
> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a month
> when Obama was ten-years old.
>Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with shaping
>his persona.
>Go figure...you liar.
So what exactly was he lying about? Did you even read the book? I
seriously doubt it as you can't even get the name of the book correct.
You came to the dance without shoes this time.
Jarbidge
Now that you've admitted you DO know the title, why are you still
misrepresenting the impact his father had on his political beliefs?
Are you going to dig another trench for yourself this week?
http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-My-Father-Story-Inheritance/product-reviews/
B0029LHWFO/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
The pinnacle of Obama's young life was finally visiting his African
family in Kenya, and although his father has already passed away, he has
left behind a large group of people - - Obama's people - - who claim him
as one of their own. It is during this trip where he receives his
inheritance, which is not his father's practically nonexistent and
disputed estate, but the wealth of information about generations past.
Shortly after his first African trip, where this account ends, Obama
begins Harvard Law School.
I also found that the end of this book, Obama's trip to his Father's
homeland in Kenya, was by far the most riveting part of the story. To
read about how his long lost family interacts with him along with his
finally putting the many pieces of his life together was deeply moving
yet educational.
...but first he made the trek to the home of his father in Kenya. It was
there among his brothers, sisters, cousins, and aunties, he came to know
who Barack Obama, the man was. Although his father was dead, Obama
learned of the the legacy, pain, hopes, dreams and demons of this man.
At the end of the book, having learned the whole story of his father's
and grandfather's lives, he stands over their graves and weeps, feeling
what they must have felt at each turning point of their lives. Although
Obama is quintessentially American, I somehow would not be surprised,
given the epiphany he had there, if he chose upon his death to be buried
in Kenya alongside them. But perhaps my sympathy is making me romanticize
the man.
etc...
Bill Shatzer
> Hahahahohohohaha... That's rich.
Something you'll never be.
peace and justice,
Jarbidge
> On 3 Mar 2011 21:10:10 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:02:19 +0100, Moder@tor wrote:
>>
>>> On 3 Mar 2011 19:48:02 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:05:18 +0100, Moder@tor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3 Mar 2011 16:52:01 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views
>>>>>>> by his father and grandfather" bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>>>>>>> month when Obama was ten-years old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with
>>>>>>shaping his persona.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Go figure...you liar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spammy, you've degenerated into your old self. But it took you two
>>>>> whole months this time, so some credit is due.
>>>>
>>>>Who is this "Spammy" of which you and Martin speak?
>>>
>>> Nice try, Spammy. Your posting patterns and style of writing fit
>>> exactly to the little pathetic piece of shit known as Spammy. If the
>>> shoe fits....
>>
>>Good grief, with overwhelming anecdotal evidence like that I stand
>>convicted!
>
> Oh, there's plenty of other proof. Let's start with the fact that you
> knew the other spammer was Martin.
Actually I was sent an email with a google link to that.
I also recall one of the regulars here announced who he was, and an odd
one he is, as trolls go.
> You two have been an item in these
> NGs forever, Spammy. You're outed, as if everyone already didn't know.
So you and Martin claim.
Are you two perhaps an "item"?
Isn't it 'coincidental' how you appeared just after his other socks left!
Hmmm....
> The only thing missing is the ASCII penises you used to post.
Iow some key evidence just isn't present, oh well...
> But hey, I
> like the new you better than that old POS, and am glad we don't have to
> live through you dogging everyone with the SOS, so let's let it lie, ok?
What's the "SOS"?
>>>>Did he mistreat you?
>>>>
>>>>> Bill is, however, correct in that Obama saw his father only once:
>>>>>
>>>>> "But whatever one's politics, a fair-minded reading of Obama's
>>>>> history suggests that he is a figure of strength whose resilience
>>>>> was forged by his struggles to fill the hole left by an absent
>>>>> father, a Kenyan whom he met once, at Christmastime 1971."
>>>>
>>>>Yet somehow that "once" formed the cradle of his beliefs, the nexus of
>>>>his political anti-colonialism mindset.
>>>
>>> Not at all surprising. My father-in-law never met his father. He was
>>> killed in the war. He had a picture of where he is buried, that was
>>> all he had. But he idolized him and credited him as being his major
>>> influence. There are people I have never met who have influenced me.
>>> Is that *really* so hard a concept to understand for you? Or are you
>>> just being a Wingnut?
>>
>>Iow, you DO concede that Obama's father's politics heavily influenced
>>him.
>
> Never disputed it. That's your straw man.
No, that was BILL"s straw man.
Read what HE said please:
"I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by his
father and grandfather" bit.
After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a month
when Obama was ten-years old. SFAIK, he never met his paternal
grandfather."
Bill is the one trying to minimize his father's political influence.
>>Thank you.
>>
>>>>Must have been a heck of a meeting, eh?
>>>>
>>>>Oh, btw, some background:
>>>
>>> You mean propoganda.
>>
>>No,background, and well- researched at that!
>
> Propoganda from a slanted press. Nothing else. A throw away.
Those are un-cited and emotionally charged denials, summarily dismissed
also.
>>> <snippage>
>>
>>Expected too.
>>
>>> A Quote from the National Review, shill for the Right extremists.
>>> Great. REAL balanced journalism there, Spammy. You're a pathetic hack.
>>
>>The quotes we re from D'Souza, NR simply interviewed him.
>>
>>Do you find anything he said that doesn't jibe with his book?
>>
>>Or is this just another lame 'shoot the messenger' run?
>
> I never disputed that, just your calling Bill a liar. Here is your
> original answer:
Bill IS a liar.
Obama's politics were heavily influenced by his father's beliefs.
>>On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:52:52 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>> I particularly enjoyed the "indoctrinated with anti-western views by
>> his father and grandfather" bit.
>>
>> After infancy, Obama met his father exactly once - for less than a
>> month when Obama was ten-years old.
>
>>Yet somehow penned "Dreams of my Father" and credited him with shaping
>>his persona.
>
>>Go figure...you liar.
>
> So what exactly was he lying about?
I have covered that in detail.
> Did you even read the book?
Only some portions.
> Iseriously doubt it as you can't even get the name of the book correct.
Very good.
It is always necessary to give Bill some minor and irrelevant error,
usually grammatical, to jump on as bait.
Otherwise he simply retreats when refuted.
Unfortunately that tactic is now exposed, oh well...
> You came to the dance without shoes this time.
You threw yourself under the bus, Granny Dunham would be shocked...
Jarbidge
The jealousy monster is well evidenced in you and Baxter.
I wonder why?
Moder@tor
The rest of your pathetic backpeddling isn't worth the spit I could
hock on it, but if you can't see that Bill was commenting on
Hucklebucks embarassing wall of shame, than shame on you. Hucklebuck
later admitted he meant Indonesia, though he was very specific about
the Kenya father and grandfather influences. Bill just was laughing
about how stupid it was. Which is worth a laugh. I wouldn't vote for
Hucklebuck if you paid me, though if Romney was running.....
Baxter
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> Scratch wrote:
>
>
>> Hahahahohohohaha... That's rich.
>
> Something you'll never be.
>
He's so rich he bought a cheap house in the boonies and now is looking to go
back to work to make ends meet.
lein
> Scratch wrote:
> > Hahahahohohohaha... That's rich.
>
> Something you'll never be.
Do you assume being rich only refers to money? Before Marx warped
the Liberal mind, it referred to much more.
Scratch
e7a1-4fae-be7...@w9g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
Rich in character?
Curt
<zulu.pacifier....@shell1.pacifier.net> wrote:
> Billy said:
>
> .
>
> > But, perhaps you only pounce when it's Obama's
> > misspeak and right wing idiots like Huckabee
> > get a free pass from you?
>
> Probably because I don't like Huckabee and hope
> he never gets anywhere (unlike CLW, I didn't
> react like a fool over his Iowa win).
>
> pointing out the double standards of yooz guyz,
> i.e. you spent all that time poking Bush for
> how he said things and stuff, and never noticed
> Bam-Bam doing worse, which tells me that this
Obie? Worse than the Previous Occupant? Surely you .. jest.
Curt
Jarbidge
Iow, you are pwnd.
Thank you.
You may leave now.
> but if you can't see that Bill was commenting on Hucklebucks
> embarassing wall of shame,
Artless, clumsy, and non-credible pass off.
Oh, and partisan to boot.
Did Martin recruit you?
Jarbidge
Funny thing, Howard Hughes (seriously rich) lived an almost ascetic life
in his later years.
What is it about those who can control their spending getting rich...
Jarbidge
3 trillion plus $ new debt in 17 months = worse, MUCH worse.
Bob Tiernan
.
> Bob T wrote:
.
>> Probably because I don't like Huckabee and hope
>> he never gets anywhere (unlike CLW, I didn't
>> react like a fool over his Iowa win).
.
> Yet you clearly don't like Obama but you hang on
> every word he utters, diligently searching for
> something to whine about.
>
> Why the difference?
.
You're not defending Huckabee, *and* you and your ilk
never miss a chance to show that Repubs flub and
misspeak every day.
That's why.
.
> Huckabee and your ignoring his faux pas WAS the subject!
.
But there's no story there consider what's mentioned
above.
You see, it's like the Repubs and free expression.
They've long had a reputation of being somewhat
weak on this issue (earned or not), so it's sort
of a given. Therefore one wonders why the Dems
don't have the same reputation when in fact
they should. That's why it's worth pointing
out yet another free speech crushing by the
Dems or Left -- because you guys ignore it --
when mentioning Repubs doing that would be
saying nothing that's not already acknowledged.
.
> Did ya' catch Gingrich's speech the other night?
> He was using a teleprompter! Why no comment from
> you on that?
.
Because The Bamster has been portrayed as a master
speaker who's so brilliant he has speeches
memorized or something, or that he can make them
up as he goes along.
That, and I don't care for Gingrich either.
Big deal.
But he probably reads a telepromptor better
than Twinkle-Toes does.
Bob T
Bill Shatzer
> Billy said:
>> Bob T wrote:
>>> Probably because I don't like Huckabee and hope
>>> he never gets anywhere (unlike CLW, I didn't
>>> react like a fool over his Iowa win).
>> Yet you clearly don't like Obama but you hang on
>> every word he utters, diligently searching for
>> something to whine about.
>> Why the difference?
> You're not defending Huckabee,
Ah, so a faux pas by a well known public figure is only worthy of
comment if *I* defend the speaker?
You need to expand your horizons. If verbal faux pas are worthy of
comment, they should be worthy of your attention whether I support or
reject the speaker.
You overly limit yourself.
> *and* you and your ilk
> never miss a chance to show that Repubs flub and
> misspeak every day.
Well, Huckabee's wasn't a misspeak. It was either an exhibit of grossest
ignorance or the intentional promulgation of a lie.
That is rather different from a simple "misspeak".
I don't think I've mentioned a genuine misspeak by a republican since
the dubya left office. Certainly far far from "every day".
> That's why.
>> Huckabee and your ignoring his faux pas WAS the subject!
> But there's no story there consider what's mentioned
> above.
The story is you hypocritical double standard. That's why I brought it up.
> You see, it's like the Repubs and free expression.
> They've long had a reputation of being somewhat
> weak on this issue (earned or not), so it's sort
> of a given. Therefore one wonders why the Dems
> don't have the same reputation when in fact
> they should. That's why it's worth pointing
> out yet another free speech crushing by the
> Dems or Left -- because you guys ignore it --
> when mentioning Repubs doing that would be
> saying nothing that's not already acknowledged.
Whap, whap, whap! Stay on subject, bT, The subject was not free speech
or whether Huckabee had a right to say what he said. The subject was the
utter stupidity - or outright lie - of what he said.
> Did ya' catch Gingrich's speech the other night?
>> He was using a teleprompter! Why no comment from
>> you on that?
> Because The Bamster has been portrayed as a master
> speaker who's so brilliant he has speeches
> memorized or something, or that he can make them
> up as he goes along.
Now who has said that? NOBODY has a speech longer than the Gettysburg
address memorized. And even Lincoln read that speech off his verbatim
written text.
> That, and I don't care for Gingrich either.
You don't care for much of anyone. Or at least anyone who might actually
get elected to anything.
One of these days, you need to take a break from your lemon sucking.
peace and justice,
Moder@tor
Ah, the same old Spammy. Always has to have the last word (even after
his own plonking), never will admit when he lost an argument, seems to
live in his own bizarro world. The shoe fits. Your outed. You lost.
Jarbidge
> Bob Tiernan wrote:
>
>> Billy said:
>
>>> Bob T wrote:
>
>>>> Probably because I don't like Huckabee and hope he never gets
>>>> anywhere (unlike CLW, I didn't react like a fool over his Iowa win).
>
>>> Yet you clearly don't like Obama but you hang on every word he utters,
>>> diligently searching for something to whine about.
>
>>> Why the difference?
>
>> You're not defending Huckabee,
>
> Ah, so a faux pas by a well known public figure is only worthy of
> comment if *I* defend the speaker?
>
Patented obfuscation, you have taken an off ramp from the comments YOU
made.
Jarbidge
I guess this is another Martin sock. It was predictable you would remain,
or should I say "return", in similar guise.
Moder@tor
Yada, yada, yada, Spammy. No one believes you. Credibility = zero.
Jarbidge
Martin, you really do need to grasp that this multiple sock game of yours
is neither effective nor opaque.
You also must come to grips with the fact that your demands here will not
be met.
Once you master those rather basic concepts things will surely improve
for you.
Moder@tor
Who the fuck is Martin? You've really lost it, Spammy.
Jarbidge
Oh come on Martin, this whole "Spammy" act of yours is really silly.
If you have a point to make, do so.
If not, back you go to plonk-ville.
Moder@tor
Who the fuck is Martin? You've really lost it, Spammy. A bit from your
wall of sham(e) to refresh your lobotomized memory:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:28:53 -0700, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>>>>>> [14-page subpoena order at
>>>>>> http://biggovernment.com/2009/10/06/lousiana-attorney-general-serves-...]
>>>>> Great, Sancho. You've outlined the crime beautifully with that cite. But there
>>>>> is no evidence within.
>>>> Muddy _always_ waits for the conviction before stating the obvious.
>>> And Spammy always has nis nose up other asses.
>> It's OK Muddy, I'm just explaining your tactics...
> Find anything interesting up my ass while you were there?
>Just some Choreg.
Stir any memories you pathetic little weasel?
Jarbidge
Are you taking leave of your senses?
Was it all that Speedo-packing that sent you round the bend?
Curt
O M G
Curt
Curt
Continuing the policies of the Previous Occupant -- policies that were
universally accepted as, while distasteful, necessary.
Curt
Moder@tor
wrote:
Yeah. No rehashing old posts, ASCII penises, all cap responses or nym
changes. That last lobotomy must have been a doozy! Now if we can get
him to stop calling everyone Martin he might almost be human.
Jarbidge
Well, it is.
Jarbidge
OK, he also LIED and ran up the debt.
Jarbidge
Apparently you so miss this "Spammy" and his porno-posts that you wish me
to emulate him.
Why is that?
Self-abuse complex?
Lobby Dosser
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On Mar 2, 2:46 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
> Given your eagerness to pounce on every Obama misspeak, how come you
> failed to mention Huckabee's factual blunder? His is certainly more than
> a mere slip of the tongue - and kinda makes "57 states" pale into
> insignificance.
>
> But, perhaps you only pounce when it's Obama's misspeak and right wing
> idiots like Huckabee get a free pass from you?
>
>
> In a radio interview on Monday, Mike Huckabee said that President Obama
> was a) raised in Kenya; and b) as a consequence of this Kenyan
> upbringing, probably indoctrinated with anti-Western views by his father
> and grandfather and their stories about the Mau Mau uprising of the
> early 1950s.
>
> When the comments made national news on Tuesday, Huckabee, through a
> spokesman, claimed that he'd "simply misspoken" and that he'd "meant to
> say the president grew up in Indonesia." This explanation made little
> sense, because Huckabee hadn't merely said the word "Kenya" -- he'd
> discussed at length and in detail some of the "troubling" implications
> of Obama's Kenyan upbringing. If he'd merely misspoken, there would have
> been no talk of the Mau Mau uprising.
>
> http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/01/huckabee_obama...
>
> "Facts? We don't need no steenkin' facts!"
>
> peace and justice,
Hucklebuckle's pandering to the Idiot Base. And the Idiot Base loves
them that Kenya stuff.
Either that or Hucklebuckle's an idiot too, and as it turns out,
there's no difference between pandering to the Idiot Base and being an
idiot.
Curt
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> On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:26:57 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
> Obama is quintessentially American,
BULLSHIT!
> I somehow would not be surprised,
> given the epiphany he had there, if he chose upon his death to be buried
> in Kenya alongside them.
The sooner the better!
Lobby Dosser
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Jarbidge
> "Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Lol!
Jarbidge
> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:26:57 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>> Obama is quintessentially American,
>
> BULLSHIT!
>
>> I somehow would not be surprised,
>> given the epiphany he had there, if he chose upon his death to be
>> buried in Kenya alongside them.
>
> The sooner the better!
LOL!
Bob Tiernan
down to it, I see no comparison between someone
instinctively thinking there are 60 states, and "Corpsman"
is pronounced "corPs-man", and who claims to be a White
Sox fan and a Chicago south-sider but who doesn't know
the name of the White Sox stadium (both words of the name,
in fact), and a kind of birther or Obama myth story as
related by Huckabee.
Both are stupid for saying these things, but Obama's
goofs display an incredible unawareness of details
about this country that most 2nd graders will get.
He's be very happy as an Indonesian bureaucrat had
he stayed there, since he's not instinctively a
free society guy.
Bob T