Who is Going to Pay for SB1070?
mrmcafee
in AZ. That effectively means that no new tax will ever be passed in
this state, yet our costs keep on a going up. Take our new immigration
law for example, SB1070. It is projected that enforcement of this law
(and it must be enforced or else the police and the prosecutors are
subject to civilian lawsuits) will overflow our jails and prisons.
Indeed, our pens are already effectively full. With no money to build
more, or resources to provide for the care and feeding of additional
inmates, we might have to start turning loose criminals in order to
house the expected flood of illegal aliens.
The question of who pays for this is clear. It will be the people of
Arizona who gets this bill. The real question is how? How can we do it?
What were they thinking?
"Questions arise over jailing of SB 1070 violators
by JJ Hensley - Jun. 11, 2010 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic .
... Many legal questions remain as police agencies, prosecutors and the
court system continue to sort that out. But this much is known: It is
likely to substantially raise local authorities' costs for housing inmates."
Many legal questions remain as police agencies, prosecutors and the
court system continue to sort that out. But this much is known: It is
likely to substantially raise local authorities' costs for housing inmates."
http://tinyurl.com/24ozfu7
Scratch
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> Subject: Who is Going to Pay for SB1070?
> From: mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net>
> Newsgroups: az.politics,or.politics,tx.politics
>
> It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy)
Care to cite? Or do we just take your word for that statement?
--
Obama - Psalms 109:8
Just words, just speeches
Obama - 2008
Floyd
> It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy) to pass a new tax
> in AZ. That effectively means that no new tax will ever be passed in
> this state, yet our costs keep on a going up. Take our new immigration
> law for example, SB1070. It is projected that enforcement of this law
> (and it must be enforced or else the police and the prosecutors are
> subject to civilian lawsuits) will overflow our jails and prisons.
> Indeed, our pens are already effectively full. With no money to build
> more, or resources to provide for the care and feeding of additional
> inmates, we might have to start turning loose criminals in order to
> house the expected flood of illegal aliens.
>
> The question of who pays for this is clear. It will be the people of
> Arizona who gets this bill. The real question is how? How can we do it?
> What were they thinking?
>
schools, hospitals, food banks, State and Federal welfare programs, auto
insurance companies and customers, will more than pay for the costs of
ridding our state of these illegal foreign immigrants. That doesn't
include the savings from agencies paying a bonus to Spanish speakers,
the cost of Spanish signs, and recordings in Spanish on telephones and
public messages. Money will be saved by not adding Spanish speakers to
payrolls. The savings from a decrease in crime will make it worth many
times the cost of ridding our state of illegal aliens. Prison
populations will decrease. We will enjoy less disease, and may be able
to again eradicate polio and TB in AZ and soon the United States. Home
values will go up in Arizona, and more jobs will be available to
citizens of Arizona. Food prices will go down as Mexican workers are
replaced by farm machinery. The Arizona desert will gradually become
clean and pristine, without garbage and clothing littering it.
It will be an even more wonderful time to live in Arizona. Just think,
even the illegals from Los Angeles will stay home and free up our hiways
for Arizona drivers, no more shoot outs between Mexican gangs on the
interstate highways. I could go on but it would only upset McAfee and
Leslie who worry about the price of lettuce, and dates for their daughters.
mrmcafee
> mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in
> news:VdydnQUFapbCyo_R...@giganews.com:
>
>> Subject: Who is Going to Pay for SB1070?
>> From: mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net>
>> Newsgroups: az.politics,or.politics,tx.politics
>>
>> It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy)
>
> Care to cite? Or do we just take your word for that statement?
>
You should just take my word for it, but since you won't, look up
Article 9, Section 22 of the Arizona Constitution to confirm my words.
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/const/9/22.htm
Scratch
Maybe I should have clarified. I was refering to your remarks about AZ
NOT being a democracy.
Scratch
Oh, golly gasp! They actually expect the government to live within a
budget? What the heck is wrong with those people. And if thee IS to be
an increase it must be voted on by the very people who will be paying
for it?
mrmcafee
> mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in
> news:AKCdnWIsQcMU_o_R...@giganews.com:
>
>> Scratch wrote:
>>> mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in
>>> news:VdydnQUFapbCyo_R...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> Subject: Who is Going to Pay for SB1070?
>>>> From: mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net>
>>>> Newsgroups: az.politics,or.politics,tx.politics
>>>>
>>>> It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy)
>>> Care to cite? Or do we just take your word for that statement?
>>>
>>
>> You should just take my word for it, but since you won't, look up
>> Article 9, Section 22 of the Arizona Constitution to confirm my
>> words. http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/const/9/22.htm
>>
>
> Maybe I should have clarified. I was refering to your remarks about AZ
> NOT being a democracy.
>
>
A democracy is where the majority rules. When a 2/3 super majority is
dictated, the 1/3 minority rules. That isn't democracy.
mrmcafee
Even YOU don't believe this crap.
Keith
wrote in
[ or.politics ]:
> It is projected that enforcement of this law
> (and it must be enforced or else the police and the prosecutors are
> subject to civilian lawsuits) will overflow our jails and prisons.
> Indeed, our pens are already effectively full.
The Federal Courts are going to put this law on hold and eventually rule
it unconstitutional. What Arizona should do is concentrate on collecting
taxes from illegal's aliens, that will drive them to Texas or California.
--
Best Regards, Keith
http://home.comcast.net/~kilowattradio/
America's Debt. The greatest Ponzi scheme ever Devised.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
wir sind wahr
Fiftycal
DAMM! You mean the U.S. is not a DEMOCRACY? What about that line in
the pledge of allegiance, "and to the DEMOCRACY for which it stands"?
Don't you mean that 50% + 1 can make any law they want, irregardless
of any other law? DAMM.
lein
You are right, Arizona is not a democracy, it is a Republic just like
the United States. The representatives are elected through a
Democratic process.
Bill Shatzer
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:25:44 -0700, mrmcafee
> <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>>Scratch wrote:
>>>mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in
>>>news:VdydnQUFapbCyo_R...@giganews.com:
>>>>Subject: Who is Going to Pay for SB1070?
>>>>From: mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net>
>>>>Newsgroups: az.politics,or.politics,tx.politics
>>>>It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy)
>>>Care to cite? Or do we just take your word for that statement?
>>You should just take my word for it, but since you won't, look up
>>Article 9, Section 22 of the Arizona Constitution to confirm my words.
>>http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/const/9/22.htm
> DAMM! You mean the U.S. is not a DEMOCRACY? What about that line in
> the pledge of allegiance, "and to the DEMOCRACY for which it stands"?
I don't believe that line is in the Pledge.
> Don't you mean that 50% + 1 can make any law they want, irregardless
> of any other law? DAMM.
It's usually spelled "damn".
peace and justice,
Curt
> > The question of who pays for this is clear. It will be the people of
> > Arizona who gets this bill. The real question is how? How can we do it?
> > What were they thinking?
>
> The money saved by social services, police departments, prisons,
> schools, hospitals, food banks, State and Federal welfare programs, auto
> insurance companies and customers, will more than pay for the costs of
> ridding our state of these illegal foreign immigrants. That doesn't
> include the savings from agencies paying a bonus to Spanish speakers,
> the cost of Spanish signs, and recordings in Spanish on telephones and
> public messages. Money will be saved by not adding Spanish speakers to
> payrolls. The savings from a decrease in crime will make it worth many
> times the cost of ridding our state of illegal aliens. Prison
> populations will decrease. We will enjoy less disease, and may be able
> to again eradicate polio and TB in AZ and soon the United States. Home
> values will go up in Arizona, and more jobs will be available to
> citizens of Arizona. Food prices will go down as Mexican workers are
> replaced by farm machinery. The Arizona desert will gradually become
> clean and pristine, without garbage and clothing littering it.
> It will be an even more wonderful time to live in Arizona. Just think,
> even the illegals from Los Angeles will stay home and free up our hiways
> for Arizona drivers, no more shoot outs between Mexican gangs on the
> interstate highways. I could go on but it would only upset McAfee and
> Leslie who worry about the price of lettuce, and dates for their daughters.-
Unlikely, but I wish you all the luck.
Curt
Fiftycal
<kilowa...@use-reply-to.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:33:50 -0700, mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net>
>wrote in
>[ or.politics ]:
>
>> It is projected that enforcement of this law
>> (and it must be enforced or else the police and the prosecutors are
>> subject to civilian lawsuits) will overflow our jails and prisons.
>> Indeed, our pens are already effectively full.
>
>
> The Federal Courts are going to put this law on hold and eventually rule
>it unconstitutional. What Arizona should do is concentrate on collecting
>taxes from illegal's aliens, that will drive them to Texas or California.
>
YEAH! The court is going to decide that FEDERAL LAW, which this law
is based on. is UNCONSTITUIONAL! ALL people have a "human right" to
enter the US. DUH! The solution is to JAIL people that hire them!
Then all the "illegals" will SELF DEPORT once they can't get PAID!
Mexico needs to handle it's OWN problems. Not ENCOURAGE it's citizens
to ILLEGALLY come to the US to make MONEY and perpetuate the CABAL
that is MEXICO'S keliptocracy.
Fiftycal
wrote:
>Fiftycal wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:25:44 -0700, mrmcafee
>> <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>Scratch wrote:
>
>>>>mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in
>>>>news:VdydnQUFapbCyo_R...@giganews.com:
>
>>>>>Subject: Who is Going to Pay for SB1070?
>>>>>From: mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net>
>>>>>Newsgroups: az.politics,or.politics,tx.politics
>
>>>>>It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy)
>
>>>>Care to cite? Or do we just take your word for that statement?
>
>>>You should just take my word for it, but since you won't, look up
>>>Article 9, Section 22 of the Arizona Constitution to confirm my words.
>>>http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/const/9/22.htm
>
>> DAMM! You mean the U.S. is not a DEMOCRACY? What about that line in
>> the pledge of allegiance, "and to the DEMOCRACY for which it stands"?
>
>I don't believe that line is in the Pledge.
DAMN! You mean this country is NOT A DEMOCRACY?
>
>> Don't you mean that 50% + 1 can make any law they want, irregardless
>> of any other law? DAMM.
>
>It's usually spelled "damn".
Thank you spelling NAZI. You might be good for something.
Sanders Kaufman
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> mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in
>> It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy)
>
> Care to cite? Or do we just take your word for that statement?
It's kind of pathetic - the way you've gone from telling everyone they're
wrong, to just "questioning" the truth.
It's like - you're determined not to be ever right about anything.
Sanders Kaufman
news:26944275-c9da-4fee...@a16g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> You are right, Arizona is not a democracy, it is a Republic just like
> the United States.
Cray-zee!
Toys in the attic, he is cray-zee.
Truly gone fishing.
Sanders Kaufman
news:1ktQn.96981$304....@newsfe12.iad...
> The money saved by social services, police departments, prisons,
Yeah - it'll pay for itself the way the War against Iraq did.
An anonymous web predator said so, so it must be true.
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> "Floyd" <""Ralph\"@ ralphs.com"> wrote in message
> news:1ktQn.96981$304....@newsfe12.iad...
>
> > The money saved by social services, police departments, prisons,
>
> Yeah - it'll pay for itself the way the War against Iraq did.
So you're saying that the illegals are going to start blowing up
churches and markets to foment a civil war, so we should just withdraw
our forces now.
Sanders Kaufman
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> What Arizona should do is concentrate on collecting
> taxes from illegal's aliens, that will drive them to Texas or California.
That would be true, if this were about doing right by the people of Arizona.
But this law is about showing Mexicans how much the hillbillies hate them.
Lobby Dosser
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> It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy) to pass a new tax
> in AZ. That effectively means that no new tax will ever be passed in this
> state, yet our costs keep on a going up. Take our new immigration law for
> example, SB1070. It is projected that enforcement of this law (and it must
> be enforced or else the police and the prosecutors are subject to civilian
> lawsuits) will overflow our jails and prisons. Indeed, our pens are
> already effectively full. With no money to build more, or resources to
> provide for the care and feeding of additional inmates, we might have to
> start turning loose criminals in order to house the expected flood of
> illegal aliens.
Hand the sand backs to the feds. Done.
Lobby Dosser
news:oNadnVFfLfDi-o_R...@giganews.com...
Reaslly?
> When a 2/3 super majority is dictated, the 1/3 minority rules.
No, that means 2/3 rules.
> That isn't democracy.
Presumably the constitution could be changed. Perhaps you're too busy here
to try?
Lobby Dosser
news:0bn516dsaqlol6im3...@4ax.com...
If his head were a tad bigger we could shove it in the BP well.
Sanders Kaufman
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> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> Yeah - it'll pay for itself the way the War against Iraq did.
>
> So you're saying that the illegals are going to start blowing up
> churches and markets to foment a civil war, so we should just withdraw
> our forces now.
If you heard any such thing - it's probably just the Republican voices in
your head.
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
It's the American hillbillies who lose their jobs to black-market
hillbillies.
The demographic with the superior number wins. Everything is tribal:
--- *Black flight changing DISD makeup
"We didn't want her to go to the schools around here..."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/education/stories/DN-black
flight_06met.ART.State.Edition2.2964bd2.html
How is a multi-cuturalist supposed to spin this?
This is the reason the left fails so reliably, they have to change human
nature before they can change human nature, it's not much different from
organized religion.
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> "Fugtive sockpuppet" <undete...@thistime.net> wrote in message
> news:undetermined-1D9D...@news-wc.giganews.com...
> > "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>
> >> Yeah - it'll pay for itself the way the War against Iraq did.
> >
> > So you're saying that the illegals are going to start blowing up
> > churches and markets to foment a civil war, so we should just withdraw
> > our forces now.
>
> If you heard any such thing
You introduced the comparison, and I introduced a historical snippet in
response, and now you're accusing me of poor hearing. Does this mean I
win?
- it's probably just the Republican voices in
> your head.
Actually right now it's Pat Methany's guitar.
Bill Shatzer
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:15:01 -0700, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu>
> wrote:
-snip-
>>>DAMM! You mean the U.S. is not a DEMOCRACY? What about that line in
>>>the pledge of allegiance, "and to the DEMOCRACY for which it stands"?
>>I don't believe that line is in the Pledge.
> DAMN! You mean this country is NOT A DEMOCRACY?
I mean the phrase "to the democracy for which it stands" is not in the
Pledge.
Don't read more into my words than what I actually said.
>>>Don't you mean that 50% + 1 can make any law they want, irregardless
>>>of any other law? DAMM.
>>It's usually spelled "damn".
> Thank you spelling NAZI. You might be good for something.
You can spell it any damn way you wish. I was merely commenting on the
more usual spelling.
Still, misspelling "damn" is about the equivalent to the misspelled "fuk
you" graffiti I once saw on the wall of a NYC subway station.
peace and justice,
Scratch
@news.eternal-september.org:
> It's usually spelled "damn".
>
> peace and justice,
>
hahahaha... what a nut job!
:)
Scratch
news:0bn516dsaqlol6im3...@4ax.com:
Just not much. another brick in the government wall.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> If you heard any such thing
>
> You introduced the comparison, and I introduced a historical snippet in
> response, and now you're accusing me of poor hearing. Does this mean I
> win?
What game did you think you were playing?
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> That would be true, if this were about doing right by the people of
>> Arizona.
>> But this law is about showing Mexicans how much the hillbillies hate
>> them.
>
> It's the American hillbillies who lose their jobs to black-market
> hillbillies.
How terrible for you that you can't compete against tiny, little,
illiterate, immigrants.
And to think - for most people, this is a great country with many
opportunities.
What do you suppose it is about you that sets you apart from normal people?
Scratch
news:huusej$ke4$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
oatmeal wouldn't stop the leak.
Scratch
izn't yer spel chekr bout wurn out? U bend using it a lot n'd you get
lafed at al the time. luf to set u up. member pavlos dog?
Hahahahha.... :)
Scratch
> mrmcafee wrote:
>> It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy) to pass a
>> new tax in AZ. That effectively means that no new tax will ever be
>> passed in this state, yet our costs keep on a going up. Take our
>> new immigration law for example, SB1070. It is projected that
>> enforcement of this law (and it must be enforced or else the police
>> and the prosecutors are subject to civilian lawsuits) will overflow
>> our jails and prisons. Indeed, our pens are already effectively
>> full. With no money to build more, or resources to provide for the
>> care and feeding of additional inmates, we might have to start
>> turning loose criminals in order to house the expected flood of
>> illegal aliens.
>>
>> The question of who pays for this is clear. It will be the people
>> of Arizona who gets this bill. The real question is how? How can we
>> do it? What were they thinking?
>>
> The money saved by social services, police departments, prisons,
> schools, hospitals, food banks, State and Federal welfare programs,
> auto insurance companies and customers, will more than pay for the
> costs of ridding our state of these illegal foreign immigrants. That
> doesn't include the savings from agencies paying a bonus to Spanish
> speakers, the cost of Spanish signs, and recordings in Spanish on
> telephones and public messages. Money will be saved by not adding
> Spanish speakers to payrolls. The savings from a decrease in crime
> will make it worth many times the cost of ridding our state of
> illegal aliens. Prison populations will decrease. We will enjoy less
> disease, and may be able to again eradicate polio and TB in AZ and
> soon the United States. Home values will go up in Arizona, and more
> jobs will be available to citizens of Arizona. Food prices will go
> down as Mexican workers are replaced by farm machinery. The Arizona
> desert will gradually become clean and pristine, without garbage and
> clothing littering it. It will be an even more wonderful time to
> live in Arizona. Just think, even the illegals from Los Angeles will
> stay home and free up our hiways for Arizona drivers, no more shoot
> outs between Mexican gangs on the interstate highways. I could go on
> but it would only upset McAfee and Leslie who worry about the price
> of lettuce, and dates for their daughters.
>
AND re-negotiate the union/government contracts. They did it here in
Idaho with the teachers.
Scratch
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So the left's answer is..... Don't even try!
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
Stump the Nitwit.
He who is forced to snip the most loses.
Scratch
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Probably playing Common sense with an anti-American? Never works though
because the left has no common sense. It's been breed out of them
through years of government indoctrination.
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> "Fugtive sockpuppet" <undete...@thistime.net> wrote in message
> news:undetermined-E40B...@news-wc.giganews.com...
> > "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>
> >> That would be true, if this were about doing right by the people of
> >> Arizona.
> >> But this law is about showing Mexicans how much the hillbillies hate
> >> them.
> >
> > It's the American hillbillies who lose their jobs to black-market
> > hillbillies.
>
> How terrible for you that you can't compete against tiny, little,
> illiterate, immigrants.
Not me friend, it's the tiny, little illiterate legal immigrants who are
getting ripped off.
Why do you hate immigrants to the degree that you would encourage
policies that would keep them in misery?
What did these poor tiny people do to deserve that sort of cynical, evil
treatment?
> And to think - for most people, this is a great country with many
> opportunities.
True - look at yourself, proof that just about any nitwit can overcome
serious personal deficits and buy a computer.
> What do you suppose it is about you that sets you apart from normal people?
Probably my ability to spot people who have abnormal ideas about what
constitutes normal.
And hatred of the little people struggling to get by and get Their
American Dream is not normal, you should be ashamed.
But you won't be, not with the seething hatreds that consume your soul.
Scratch
Hillbillies in Arizona? Really?
Sanders Kaufman
> Probably playing Common sense with an anti-American? Never works though
> because the left has no common sense. It's been breed out of them
> through years of government indoctrination.
So - you hillbillies think that inbreeding is how common sense is got, eh?
gb
Inter alia, see:
* Ben Franklin's statement on point.
* The Constitutional discussion in Art 4(4) on the form of gubmint
that shall be guaranteed.
Curt
<Larry_Nampa...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote:
I'd hesitate to speak for "the left", whoever they are. But if the
Supremes don't stop this thing I suspect it will cost AZ a lot more
than they will save.
Fair enough, though. Their state, their money. I guess.
Curt
Sanders Kaufman
news:s58716tqevjsgbf2a...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:09:29 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
> Inter alia, see:
>
> * Ben Franklin's statement on point.
> * The Constitutional discussion in Art 4(4) on the form of gubmint
> that shall be guaranteed.
Why do you suppose nobody anywhere in government, academia, or anywhere else
take that theory seriously?
Do you think it would get more play if Glen Beck were to promote it on his
magic chalk board of unknown facts?
Sanders Kaufman
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> I'd hesitate to speak for "the left", whoever they are. But if the
> Supremes don't stop this thing I suspect it will cost AZ a lot more
> than they will save.
>
> Fair enough, though. Their state, their money. I guess.
Until they come pouring out of there, hungry and unwashed, looking for
American refrigerators to raid.
Scratch
news:2c90e78b-05c3-4635...@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com:
> Subject: Re: Who is Going to Pay for SB1070?
> From: Curt <obadia...@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: az.politics,or.politics,tx.politics
>
> On Jun 12, 6:38�am, Scratch
> <Larry_Nampa...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote:
>> Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:ee7536ff-5d4d-4f19-aff2-e12078
> f43...@40g2000pry.googlegroups.com:
You didn't know who hussein was either
Scratch
77968d...@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com:
> Supremes don't stop this thing I suspect it will cost AZ a lot more
> than they will save.
>
So the supremes are also going to stop a "Fedral Law" too from which the
AZ law was modeled?
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
And as more states, like liberal Massachussetts, seek to limit
opportunities for the black-market illegal labor force, they'll run out
of places to go and will all crowd into liberal "sanctuary" cities.
Those cities will ultimately collapse, like S. California, under the
weight of an unsustainable socialist scheme.
It's clear that the amnesty, pro-black-market folks in this country not
only hate their usual targets - white Americans - they now hate legal
immigrants, the bulk of whom are from Mexico.
So, why do you hate Americans?
gb
<undete...@thistime.net> wrote:
>And as more states, like liberal Massachussetts, seek to limit
>opportunities for the black-market illegal labor force,
That always was the best way to handle the problem. Penalize the
employers.
If the employers don't offer the sub-standard wage jobs, there will be
no supply of workers willing to take them.
Demand is what drives Supply, after all.
gb
<Larry_N...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote:
>Curt <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in news:2c90e78b-05c3-4635-9fc5-
>77968d...@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Supremes don't stop this thing I suspect it will cost AZ a lot more
>> than they will save.
>>
>
>So the supremes are also going to stop a "Fedral Law" too from which the
>AZ law was modeled?
No reason to say that. The federal law remains in place, while the
state law is voided if found to be unConstitutional.
gb
<bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>"gb" <g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:09:29 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
>
>
>> Inter alia, see:
>>
>> * Ben Franklin's statement on point.
>> * The Constitutional discussion in Art 4(4) on the form of gubmint
>> that shall be guaranteed.
>
>Why do you suppose nobody anywhere in government, academia, or anywhere else
>take that theory seriously?
It's not a Theory. It's a Constitutional provision.
>Do you think it would get more play if Glen Beck were to promote it on his
>magic chalk board of unknown facts?
It's unclear where in this portion of space-time you want to go with
this, but this is a Republic, and not a Democracy.
(The John Birch Society used to add "And let's keep it that way" back
when they were fearing Cawmnists in the late 50s and early 60s.)
The core construct was and remains correct.
Your approval was not sought and is not required.
Fugtive sockpuppet
gb <g...@amusenet.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, the Obama administration doesn't seem to agree. They
don't seem to like states enforcing the laws they want to ignore.
While many states already penalize employers for hiring black-market
labor, the administration seems to want to set an example with Arizona
by challenging their laws which punish employers for knowingly violating
employment laws.
I'm not sure when it became the federal government's constitutional duty
to punish individual states for following and enforcing federal laws as
they always have, but I guess that's what "Change" means.
Floyd
Just do the math. Arizona is almost bankrupt from supporting illegals'
medical care, education, and parasites welfare. Just cleaning up after
Mexicans and the lower property values are costing Arizonans more than
we can afford. We long for a State without illegals.
We have a 6 to 8 hour wait in any Hospital emergency room. The food
banks are always running out of food. Schools don't have enough money to
continue many traditional programs because of illegals and the children
of illegals. The crime rate is terrible and we have to warehouse Mexican
criminals. Arizona is the kidnap capital of the United States with the
Mexican pedophiles kidnapping young Mexican girls. We have the Mexican
army making daily incursions into Arizona to help smuggle drugs or doing
revenge/drug murders, as far north as Phoenix. We have had gunfights
between Mexican smugglers on our interstates.
Our State and our money says get rid of the fucking Mexicans ASAP. If
you like Mexicans, move to Mexico and you can have all the Mexicans you
want.
BTW Sanders. Even a Mexican sweat hog wouldn't fuck an Arab like you.
Floyd
about.
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"Floyd" <""Ralph\"@ ralphs.com"> wrote in message
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>
> Just do the math. Arizona is almost bankrupt from supporting illegals'
> medical care, education, and parasites welfare. Just cleaning up after
> Mexicans and the lower property values are costing Arizonans more than we
> can afford.
That isn't what the statistics show.
>We long for a State without illegals.
White Supremists long for a State without colored people of any type.
> We have a 6 to 8 hour wait in any Hospital emergency room.
Gee - the best healthcare system in the world at work!
>The food banks are always running out of food. Schools don't have enough
>money to continue many traditional programs because of illegals and the
>children of illegals.
Nearly every community is experiencing those problems - even those that have
NO "illegals" in their midst.
>The crime rate is terrible and we have to warehouse Mexican criminals.
>Arizona is the kidnap capital of the United States with the Mexican
>pedophiles kidnapping young Mexican girls. We have the Mexican army making
>daily incursions into Arizona to help smuggle drugs or doing revenge/drug
>murders, as far north as Phoenix. We have had gunfights between Mexican
>smugglers on our interstates.
Statistics and AZ Sherrifs say otherwise - they say crime is the lowest it's
been in decades.
> Our State and our money says get rid of the fucking Mexicans ASAP. If you
> like Mexicans, move to Mexico and you can have all the Mexicans you want.
> BTW Sanders. Even a Mexican sweat hog wouldn't fuck an Arab like you.
You might not like it if those immigrants go elsewhere and take there jobs
with them. Seems almost half of the largest computer-related companies
(like Google, Yahoo, eBay, etc.) are immigrants and have directly created
tens of thousands of jobs.
Curt
Good luck, I guess. I've read your crime rate is down, not up.. but I
don't follow your state all that closely. Like I say, I think you'll
probably lose money on it, but it's your money to lose. I dunno why
you didn't target the employers, myself.
I do understand your frustration with the Feds and their failure to
police the border though. It's ludicrous how porous the place is.
Curt
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
> You might not like it if those immigrants go elsewhere and take there jobs
> with them. Seems almost half of the largest computer-related companies
> (like Google, Yahoo, eBay, etc.) are immigrants and have directly created
> tens of thousands of jobs.
Why do you refer to legal immigrants when making an argument in favor of
illegal immigration?
That's like citing people who drink at home when making an argument in
favor of DWI.
Floyd
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> "Floyd" <""Ralph\"@ ralphs.com"> wrote in message
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>> Just do the math. Arizona is almost bankrupt from supporting illegals'
>> medical care, education, and parasites welfare. Just cleaning up after
>> Mexicans and the lower property values are costing Arizonans more than we
>> can afford.
>
> That isn't what the statistics show.
You evidently don't have the correct statistics. Fortunately, our
Legislators and Governor do.
>
>> We long for a State without illegals.
>
> White Supremists long for a State without colored people of any type.
If you are a White Supremacist you should know that you hate other
races, while we are simply ridding our state of illegal alien criminals.
>
>> We have a 6 to 8 hour wait in any Hospital emergency room.
>
> Gee - the best healthcare system in the world at work!
It did until the Mexican illegals showed up to bankrupt our hospitals.
>
>> The food banks are always running out of food. Schools don't have enough
>> money to continue many traditional programs because of illegals and the
>> children of illegals.
>
> Nearly every community is experiencing those problems - even those that have
> NO "illegals" in their midst.
Because people don't want to donate if the donation may end up in the
hands of criminals like the illegal aliens.
>
>> The crime rate is terrible and we have to warehouse Mexican criminals.
>> Arizona is the kidnap capital of the United States with the Mexican
>> pedophiles kidnapping young Mexican girls. We have the Mexican army making
>> daily incursions into Arizona to help smuggle drugs or doing revenge/drug
>> murders, as far north as Phoenix. We have had gunfights between Mexican
>> smugglers on our interstates.
>
> Statistics and AZ Sherrifs say otherwise - they say crime is the lowest it's
> been in decades.
Evidently, you don't know how crime statistics are compiled, who
compiles them, and you are listening to Sheriffs who have Mexican
connections. Remember Sheriffs are elected. As I said we have become the
kidnap capital of the US, all perpetrated by illegals.
>
>
>> Our State and our money says get rid of the fucking Mexicans ASAP. If you
>> like Mexicans, move to Mexico and you can have all the Mexicans you want.
>> BTW Sanders. Even a Mexican sweat hog wouldn't fuck an Arab like you.
>
> You might not like it if those immigrants go elsewhere and take there jobs
> with them. Seems almost half of the largest computer-related companies
> (like Google, Yahoo, eBay, etc.) are immigrants and have directly created
> tens of thousands of jobs.
Computer companies don't like to use Mexicans because they don't have a
work ethic that fits with high technology. The error factor is much
higher for Mexicans than Whites and Asians have the lowest error factor.
Japs lower than Chinese or Koreans. So nobody really needs illegal
Mexicans. Why do you think Mexico wants to get rid of them, and Mexico
doesn't build space stations or rocket ships, or why they aren't famous
for brain surgeons?
You like living among Mexicans? Go to Mexico.
Fugtive sockpuppet
<223d7593-2ac7-4378...@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Curt <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good luck, I guess. I've read your crime rate is down, not up.. but I
> don't follow your state all that closely. Like I say, I think you'll
> probably lose money on it, but it's your money to lose. I dunno why
> you didn't target the employers, myself.
They have, since '08, but Obama & Co donlt like it:
"The U.S. Justice Department has finally made a move on an Arizona
immigration law ‹ but not the controversial measure that Gov. Jan Brewer
signed in April.
The department told the Supreme Court on Friday that a 2008 Arizona law
that punishes employers for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants may
infringe on federal authority and should be examined and possibly struck
down."
> I do understand your frustration with the Feds and their failure to
> police the border though. It's ludicrous how porous the place is.
Obama did send some token troops to answer the request from the states,
But Calderón would not permit them to be utilized to hamper legitimate
illegal immigration.
So Obama changed course and announced they were to be used only to
combat the flow of guns and money to Mexico and the flow of drugs coming
from Mexico that finance the cartels.
So, essentially they're deployed to supplement the Mexican Army, and to
protect Mexican interests.
But in reality, they don't do *anything*.
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How do rightards know that it's -illegal- immigrants causing all the
"problems"?
BTW, how's service at Sizzler now?
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"Floyd" <""Ralph\"@ ralphs.com"> wrote in message
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> Baxter wrote:
>> "Floyd" <""Ralph\"@ ralphs.com"> wrote in message
>> news:OQ8Rn.30418$yx....@newsfe13.iad...
>>> Just do the math. Arizona is almost bankrupt from supporting illegals'
>>> medical care, education, and parasites welfare. Just cleaning up after
>>> Mexicans and the lower property values are costing Arizonans more than
>>> we can afford.
>>
>> That isn't what the statistics show.
>
> You evidently don't have the correct statistics. Fortunately, our
> Legislators and Governor do.
They have the same statistics I have. They choose to ignore them in order
to pander to rightwad votes.
>>> We long for a State without illegals.
>>
>> White Supremists long for a State without colored people of any type.
>
> If you are a White Supremacist you should know that you hate other races,
> while we are simply ridding our state of illegal alien criminals.
How's service at Sizzler now? And just what will the new law do that you
can't do now?
>>> We have a 6 to 8 hour wait in any Hospital emergency room.
>>
>> Gee - the best healthcare system in the world at work!
>
> It did until the Mexican illegals showed up to bankrupt our hospitals.
You got a reference for that claim? Nope.
>>> The food banks are always running out of food. Schools don't have enough
>>> money to continue many traditional programs because of illegals and the
>>> children of illegals.
>>
>> Nearly every community is experiencing those problems - even those that
>> have NO "illegals" in their midst.
>
> Because people don't want to donate if the donation may end up in the
> hands of criminals like the illegal aliens.
IOW, you're bigots. Your claim would be kind of like not buying something
at a small store because they might not pay their taxes, or buy something at
a large store because they might hire an undocumented worker.
>
>>
>>> The crime rate is terrible and we have to warehouse Mexican criminals.
>>> Arizona is the kidnap capital of the United States with the Mexican
>>> pedophiles kidnapping young Mexican girls. We have the Mexican army
>>> making daily incursions into Arizona to help smuggle drugs or doing
>>> revenge/drug murders, as far north as Phoenix. We have had gunfights
>>> between Mexican smugglers on our interstates.
>>
>> Statistics and AZ Sherrifs say otherwise - they say crime is the lowest
>> it's been in decades.
>
> Evidently, you don't know how crime statistics are compiled, who compiles
> them, and you are listening to Sheriffs who have Mexican connections.
> Remember Sheriffs are elected. As I said we have become the kidnap capital
> of the US, all perpetrated by illegals.
Bullshit! You have zero to back your claim.
>>> Our State and our money says get rid of the fucking Mexicans ASAP. If
>>> you like Mexicans, move to Mexico and you can have all the Mexicans you
>>> want.
>>> BTW Sanders. Even a Mexican sweat hog wouldn't fuck an Arab like you.
>>
>> You might not like it if those immigrants go elsewhere and take there
>> jobs with them. Seems almost half of the largest computer-related
>> companies (like Google, Yahoo, eBay, etc.) are immigrants and have
>> directly created tens of thousands of jobs.
>
> Computer companies don't like to use Mexicans because they don't have a
> work ethic that fits with high technology. The error factor is much higher
> for Mexicans than Whites and Asians have the lowest error factor. Japs
> lower than Chinese or Koreans. So nobody really needs illegal Mexicans.
> Why do you think Mexico wants to get rid of them, and Mexico doesn't build
> space stations or rocket ships, or why they aren't famous for brain
> surgeons?
>
> You like living among Mexicans? Go to Mexico.
You are a racist pig. Half or more computer companies (Apple, Dell, Sony,
Casio, Microsoft, etc.) have subsidiaries and manufacturing plants in
Mexico. Many auto companies have plants in Mexico and their output is
imported into the US.
Fugtive sockpuppet
> > "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> You might not like it if those immigrants go elsewhere and take there
> >> jobs
> >> with them. Seems almost half of the largest computer-related companies
> >> (like Google, Yahoo, eBay, etc.) are immigrants and have directly created
> >> tens of thousands of jobs.
> >
> > Why do you refer to legal immigrants when making an argument in favor of
> > illegal immigration?
> >
> > That's like citing people who drink at home when making an argument in
> > favor of DWI.
>
> How do rightards know that it's -illegal- immigrants causing all the
> "problems"?
Sorry, I used an analogu and it confused you, I'll just try again with
none of that fancy stuff, see if you an answer the question"
"Why do you refer to legal immigrants when making an argument in favor
of illegal immigration?"
> BTW, how's service at Sizzler now?
Are you suggesting that the service is bad at Sizzlers as a result of
AZ's new law? Why would that be? Are you under the impression they can't
find help?
Can you think of any company that could not continue operations when
forced to comply with employment law specific to black-market labor?
Scratch
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>>We long for a State without illegals.
>
> White Supremists long for a State without colored people of any type.
Really! White Supremists huh.
At a town hall meeting in October 2005, Nagin said: "I can see in your
eyes, you want to know, 'How do I take advantage of this incredible
opportunity? How do I make sure New Orleans is not overrun with Mexican
workers,'"[8] referring to the influx of Mexican laborers coming to
New Orleans to help rebuild the city. Hispanic groups, including the
United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, criticized Nagin's
statement as prejudiced.
There is always, 'ALWAYS' a double standard with you
socialists/marxists!
Nagin repeated the "Chocolate City" metaphor and proclaimed that New
Orleans will be "chocolate again."
Scratch
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>> BTW Sanders. Even a Mexican sweat hog wouldn't fuck an Arab like you.-
>
> Good luck, I guess. I've read your crime rate is down, not up.. but I
> don't follow your state all that closely. Like I say, I think you'll
> probably lose money on it, but it's your money to lose. I dunno why
> you didn't target the employers, myself.
It should be both. NOT just the employer who is untrained in forged
document. There should also be consequences for the illegals. Otherwise
what do they care if the boss is fined or jailed. They just go to the
next employer or home depot to hang out and wait to be hired.
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"Fugtive sockpuppet" <undete...@thistime.net> wrote in message
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> In article <b7udnVey4MdArIjR...@posted.pcez>,
> "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Fugtive sockpuppet" <undete...@thistime.net> wrote
>
>> > "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> You might not like it if those immigrants go elsewhere and take there
>> >> jobs
>> >> with them. Seems almost half of the largest computer-related
>> >> companies
>> >> (like Google, Yahoo, eBay, etc.) are immigrants and have directly
>> >> created
>> >> tens of thousands of jobs.
>> >
>> > Why do you refer to legal immigrants when making an argument in favor
>> > of
>> > illegal immigration?
>> >
>> > That's like citing people who drink at home when making an argument in
>> > favor of DWI.
>>
>> How do rightards know that it's -illegal- immigrants causing all the
>> "problems"?
>
> Sorry, I used an analogu and it confused you, I'll just try again with
> none of that fancy stuff, see if you an answer the question"
>
> "Why do you refer to legal immigrants when making an argument in favor
> of illegal immigration?"
I'm pointing out that immigrants make many contributions to the US -
regardless of whether they are legal, "illegal", permanent or temporary.
>
>
>> BTW, how's service at Sizzler now?
>
> Are you suggesting that the service is bad at Sizzlers as a result of
> AZ's new law? Why would that be? Are you under the impression they can't
> find help?
If you were from AZ you would know my reference.
>
> Can you think of any company that could not continue operations when
> forced to comply with employment law specific to black-market labor?
If they can't, then why do they hire them in the first place?
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"Scratch" <Larry_N...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote in message
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Clearly Nagin is a bigot elected by bigots.
Scratch
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> "Fugtive sockpuppet" <undete...@thistime.net> wrote in message
> news:undetermined-D45B...@news-wc.giganews.com...
> > In article <b7udnVey4MdArIjR...@posted.pcez>,
> > "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> "Fugtive sockpuppet" <undete...@thistime.net> wrote
> > "Why do you refer to legal immigrants when making an argument in favor
> > of illegal immigration?"
>
> I'm pointing out that immigrants make many contributions to the US -
> regardless of whether they are legal, "illegal", permanent or temporary.
Black-market economies have definite advantages, but it's really not a
sustainable business or national policy model.
Those supporting black-market economies have no real choice but to
appeal to racialist emotions, there is no logical argument to be made.
> >> BTW, how's service at Sizzler now?
> >
> > Are you suggesting that the service is bad at Sizzlers as a result of
> > AZ's new law? Why would that be? Are you under the impression they can't
> > find help?
>
> If you were from AZ you would know my reference.
Sizzler is not exclusive to Arizona, what is your point?
> > Can you think of any company that could not continue operations when
> > forced to comply with employment law specific to black-market labor?
>
> If they can't, then why do they hire them in the first place?
I can't guess, but I'm asking you to make a logical argument for illegal
immigration, can you do that?
Curt
<Larry_Nampa...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote:
> Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in news:223d7593-2ac7-4378-bd8f-
> 2ddddff0c...@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> BTW Sanders. Even a Mexican sweat hog wouldn't fuck an Arab like you.-
>
> > Good luck, I guess. I've read your crime rate is down, not up.. but I
> > don't follow your state all that closely. Like I say, I think you'll
> > probably lose money on it, but it's your money to lose. I dunno why
> > you didn't target the employers, myself.
>
> It should be both. NOT just the employer who is untrained in forged
> document. There should also be consequences for the illegals. Otherwise
> what do they care if the boss is fined or jailed. They just go to the
> next employer or home depot to hang out and wait to be hired.
Indeed -- employers should have an easy, simple way to verify SS#s. I
utterly agree with you.
Employers who do have access to such a system, and fail to use it,
should be prosecuted. Yeah?
Curt
SMITH29
Our politicians won't ruffle the sand because they think they won't get
the votes next time around so by doing nothing they get some Mexican and
employer vote which to them means more than law enforcement.
Same kind of thing on the enforcement of drugs.
Get the users vote and the dealers votes by doing token raids which get
the law abiding citizens vote too.
I don't know about the rest of you but I think our Congress needs a
total change out and 8 year max term limits.
--
I once said, "We will bury you," and I got into trouble with it. Of
course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will
bury you.
Nikita Khrushchev, Speech in Yugoslavia, Aug. 24, 1963
Russian Soviet politician (1894 - 1971)
The reason Progressive/Socialist/Communist government fails is you
eventually run out of other peoples money.
> Peace amd jsutice,
KEEP CLAM!
The29
Sanders Kaufman
news:jKKdnXQaVvABu4jR...@posted.pcez...
> "Floyd" <""Ralph\"@ ralphs.com"> wrote in message
>> We have a 6 to 8 hour wait in any Hospital emergency room.
>
> Gee - the best healthcare system in the world at work!
It's the same way at public water fountains.
Not like the old days, when White folks had their own, and darkies had to go
somewhere else.
Now, what with the colored mixing with the whites, a hillbilly can't hardly
feel superior no more.
Sanders Kaufman
news:Xns9D96A84358F7ALa...@81.169.183.62...
> There is always, 'ALWAYS' a double standard with you
> socialists/marxists!
You're not losing to the workers because of any double standard.
You're losing because they're better than you and work harder than you and
are more pleasant to be around than you.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in
>> Clearly Nagin is a bigot elected by bigots.
>
> A coin always has to sides to it baxter.
And bigotry is a wooden nickel - worthless regardless of which face is up.
Sanders Kaufman
> It should be both. NOT just the employer who is untrained in forged
> document. There should also be consequences for the illegals. Otherwise
> what do they care if the boss is fined or jailed. They just go to the
> next employer or home depot to hang out and wait to be hired.
I want the US to build a fleet of recreational space shuttles.
Lets vote ourselves tax increases to pay for the things we want, OK?
Sanders Kaufman
> Indeed -- employers should have an easy, simple way to verify SS#s. I
> utterly agree with you.
You mean like the flawlessly implemented "no-fly" list, right?
I wonder how many citizens would be mistakenly deported - 5 per week? 10
per month?
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
How would you explain our own bigotry?
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
The verify system isn't a deportation mechanism, it's for checking
employment eligibility.
You may not like it, but it works and might someday prevent your
identity from being stolen.
Although in your case, we're sure it would be returned quickly.
Sanders Kaufman
> The verify system isn't a deportation mechanism, it's for checking
> employment eligibility.
Yeah - like the way the no-fly list keeps terrorists from flying.
It doesn't really work - but it makes the afraid people feel better.
And so what if it costs a few American citizens their jobs?
This isn't about protecting Americans.
It's about bigots who want bigger government - for FREE.
Fugtive sockpuppet
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> "Fugtive sockpuppet" <undete...@thistime.net> wrote in message
> news:undetermined-9246...@news-wc.giganews.com...
>
> > The verify system isn't a deportation mechanism, it's for checking
> > employment eligibility.
>
> Yeah - like the way the no-fly list keeps terrorists from flying.
> It doesn't really work - but it makes the afraid people feel better.
E-Verify works just fine.
All systems have failures and glitches at some point.
=
> And so what if it costs a few American citizens their jobs?
It doesn't. If there are problems brought to light by the system, they
can be rectified.
> This isn't about protecting Americans.
It's about verifying job applicants, not tracking terrorists.
> It's about bigots who want bigger government - for FREE.
No, it's just a SS# verification system, it's not a mechanism to get
free stuff from the government.
Why this frightens you is anyone's guess, maybe you're just irrational
and paranoid.
mrmcafee
> On Jun 11, 9:25 am, mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>> Scratch wrote:
>>> mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in
>>> news:VdydnQUFapbCyo_R...@giganews.com:
>>>> Subject: Who is Going to Pay for SB1070?
>>>> From: mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net>
>>>> Newsgroups: az.politics,or.politics,tx.politics
>>>> It takes a super majority (Arizona is not a democracy)
>>> Care to cite? Or do we just take your word for that statement?
>> You should just take my word for it, but since you won't, look up
>> Article 9, Section 22 of the Arizona Constitution to confirm my words.http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/const/9/22.htm
>
>
> You are right, Arizona is not a democracy, it is a Republic just like
> the United States. The representatives are elected through a
> Democratic process.
Just like the old Union of Soviet Socialist Republics .
Floyd
You sure wish that, don't you? Too bad your ass hat dreamboat Janet "The
Slug" Napolitano isn't around to help your Communist dream come true.
Go to Mexico where you can be around the people you admire, because they
are leaving here in droves. Go to Venezuela where your Uncle Hugo can
appreciate your politics.
Floyd
mrmcafee
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:26:16 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
> <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>
>> "gb" <g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
>> news:s58716tqevjsgbf2a...@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:09:29 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
>>
>>> Inter alia, see:
>>>
>>> * Ben Franklin's statement on point.
>>> * The Constitutional discussion in Art 4(4) on the form of gubmint
>>> that shall be guaranteed.
>> Why do you suppose nobody anywhere in government, academia, or anywhere else
>> take that theory seriously?
>
> It's not a Theory. It's a Constitutional provision.
>
>> Do you think it would get more play if Glen Beck were to promote it on his
>> magic chalk board of unknown facts?
>
> It's unclear where in this portion of space-time you want to go with
> this, but this is a Republic, and not a Democracy.
>
> (The John Birch Society used to add "And let's keep it that way" back
> when they were fearing Cawmnists in the late 50s and early 60s.)
>
> The core construct was and remains correct.
>
> Your approval was not sought and is not required.
The two governmental systems are not incompatible. To be a republic, a
government need only to be constituted by representatives selected from
the larger society whether that selection is democratic in nature or
not. To be a democracy, the majority of the adult citizens of the
society need to hold the sovereignty of the nation. Since our
Constitution provides for a means of amendment by representatives of the
majority of the electors in each state, we are indeed both a republic
and a democracy.
Floyd
Floyd
Floyd
Floyd
Sanders is paid to post anti-American and Pro-Muslim, Pro-Obama
bullshit. He has stated here, several times that he is a paid poster.
Floyd
pushing, and TSA doesn't make anyone feel safe. They are displaced
Walmart workers.
Floyd
pay any. You have to earn money to be taxed. You are a Welfare fraud and
a parasite on America, just like the rest of the Muslim sand niggers and
Mexicans. At least you will die of AIDS soon.
Lobby Dosser
news:rKCdnSYGcuxTZIjR...@supernews.com...
Anyone who seeks office shouldn't be in office.
Lobby Dosser
Most of them are the same clowns that worked for minimum wage at
RentaWatcher. Now they're too big to fire.
Scratch
news:hv5p5g$qid$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Politicians say its a career choice.
gb
<"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>The two governmental systems are not incompatible.
Clearly -- but one Can have a democracy (as in direct democracy, vis
New England Town Hall Meetings) without having a republican form. Some
of the ancient Greek city-states tried the same thing, though with a
Very specific list of those who could participate.
And since I didn't say they were incompatible, I will thank you for
your explication.
gb
<undete...@thistime.net> wrote:
>In article <ent916hblgu5a52fn...@4ax.com>,
> gb <g...@amusenet.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:35:28 -0500, Fugtive sockpuppet
>> <undete...@thistime.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >And as more states, like liberal Massachussetts, seek to limit
>> >opportunities for the black-market illegal labor force,
>>
>> That always was the best way to handle the problem. Penalize the
>> employers.
>>
>> If the employers don't offer the sub-standard wage jobs, there will be
>> no supply of workers willing to take them.
>>
>> Demand is what drives Supply, after all.
>
>Unfortunately, the Obama administration doesn't seem to agree. They
>don't seem to like states enforcing the laws they want to ignore.
Thus far there is No indication the feds have any objection to
penalizing employers.
Unfortunately, however, it's difficult to penalize employers on a
federal level, because there are a lot of workarounds and such
prosecutions take time and money that the INS doesn't really have.
>While many states already penalize employers for hiring black-market
>labor, the administration seems to want to set an example with Arizona
>by challenging their laws which punish employers for knowingly violating
>employment laws.
The problem with the AZ has not, thus far, been with dealing with
employers.
>I'm not sure when it became the federal government's constitutional duty
>to punish individual states for following and enforcing federal laws as
>they always have, but I guess that's what "Change" means.
Well, thus far the states haven't been punished for acting in
constitutional ways. But immigration is not a state-level matter to
deal with - it's federal.
Sanders Kaufman
news:MaGdnfpIs5kDxYvR...@giganews.com...
> The two governmental systems are not incompatible. To be a republic, a
> government need only to be constituted by representatives selected from
> the larger society whether that selection is democratic in nature or not.
Teaching philosophy to an monkey?
Nature over nurture, I say! - and I have a shiny new, silver dollar that
says it can't be done.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Lobby Dosser" <L...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>> Anyone who seeks office shouldn't be in office.
>
> Politicians say its a career choice.
When you're not offended by, and offensive to, everyone and everything - it
is.
Sanders Kaufman
> Unfortunately, however, it's difficult to penalize employers on a
> federal level, because there are a lot of workarounds and such
> prosecutions take time and money that the INS doesn't really have.
As opposed to the State of AZ, which is rolling in dough?!
Fugtive sockpuppet
gb <g...@amusenet.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:41:34 -0500, Fugtive sockpuppet
> <undete...@thistime.net> wrote:
> >Unfortunately, the Obama administration doesn't seem to agree. They
> >don't seem to like states enforcing the laws they want to ignore.
>
> Thus far there is No indication the feds have any objection to
> penalizing employers.
How about this?:
"The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overturn an
appeals court decision that upheld Arizona's right to punish employers
for hiring illegal immigrants.
The Arizona law gives the state the right to suspend or terminate
business licenses."
Looks like you're mistaken.
> Unfortunately, however, it's difficult to penalize employers on a
> federal level, because there are a lot of workarounds and such
> prosecutions take time and money that the INS doesn't really have.
This silly notion that the federal government cannot afford to enforce
it's own laws is a desperate piece of propaganda.
> >While many states already penalize employers for hiring black-market
> >labor, the administration seems to want to set an example with Arizona
> >by challenging their laws which punish employers for knowingly violating
> >employment laws.
>
> The problem with the AZ has not, thus far, been with dealing with
> employers.
Yes they have, since 2008. Obama wants them to stop.
> >I'm not sure when it became the federal government's constitutional duty
> >to punish individual states for following and enforcing federal laws as
> >they always have, but I guess that's what "Change" means.
>
> Well, thus far the states haven't been punished for acting in
> constitutional ways. But immigration is not a state-level matter to
> deal with - it's federal.
State agencies enforce federal laws all the time.
This is no different.
BobR
wrote:
> In article <2ToRn.30745$yx.5...@newsfe13.iad>,
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>
> > "Scratch" <Larry_Nampa...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote in message
> >news:Xns9D96CF8B4ED88La...@188.40.43.230...
> > > "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote in
>
> > >> Clearly Nagin is a bigot elected by bigots.
>
> > > A coin always has to sides to it baxter.
>
> > And bigotry is a wooden nickel - worthless regardless of which face is up.
>
> How would you explain our own bigotry?
He just did!
BobR
> > "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>
> >> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:a6fc44f8-3abc-4792...@s6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> Indeed -- employers should have an easy, simple way to verify SS#s. I
> >>> utterly agree with you.
> >> You mean like the flawlessly implemented "no-fly" list, right?
> >> I wonder how many citizens would be mistakenly deported - 5 per week? 10
> >> per month?
>
> > The verify system isn't a deportation mechanism, it's for checking
> > employment eligibility.
>
> > You may not like it, but it works and might someday prevent your
> > identity from being stolen.
>
> > Although in your case, we're sure it would be returned quickly.
>
> Sanders is paid to post anti-American and Pro-Muslim, Pro-Obama
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yep, and he works real cheap but they still aren't getting their
money's worth.
Fugtive sockpuppet
<e1c75e20-8036-44c2...@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
If anything, he's paid by the GOP, no liberal organization would want to
be associated with such a nitwit.