Batshit Crazy!
Lobby Dosser
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12157589
--
"He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! "
Brian's Mum
Gregg
<L...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12157589
While it is convenient that the psychs and the lawyers will claim he
is crazy. The fact is that he is just proud of his accomplishment.
I'm so tried of the crazy excuse being used. These people kill others
because they want to for whatever reason. Of course, once caught they
will tell the shrinks I heard voices or the devil made me do it or
mommy didn't wipe my chin after dinner so the psych will go into court
and claim 'He is crazy and not responsible'.
IOW, Psychologist and Chiropractors use the same science. 100% BS.
This guy is 100% sane and knew exactly what he was doing. You can
always tell if a person is sane when they make a plan and execute it.
Which this killer did with great precision.
--
==
Lobby Dosser
news:100120112358578505%G.Ha...@gmail.com...
There is Batshit Crazy AND Effective.
Gregg
<L...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Gregg" <G.Ha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:100120112358578505%G.Ha...@gmail.com...
> > In article <iggsa8$894$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Lobby Dosser
> > <L...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12157589
> >
> >
> > While it is convenient that the psychs and the lawyers will claim he
> > is crazy. The fact is that he is just proud of his accomplishment.
> > I'm so tried of the crazy excuse being used. These people kill others
> > because they want to for whatever reason. Of course, once caught they
> > will tell the shrinks I heard voices or the devil made me do it or
> > mommy didn't wipe my chin after dinner so the psych will go into court
> > and claim 'He is crazy and not responsible'.
> > IOW, Psychologist and Chiropractors use the same science. 100% BS.
> >
> > This guy is 100% sane and knew exactly what he was doing. You can
> > always tell if a person is sane when they make a plan and execute it.
> > Which this killer did with great precision.
> >
> > --
> > ==
>
>
> There is Batshit Crazy AND Effective.
Well Batshit Crazy as slang is normal for people talking about a
situation like this. The problem occurs when a psych goes into court
and says the killer is not responsible because he is insane. I just
watched a Psych on a TV news show make diagnosis of this guy based on
no real evidence at all. He talked about the guys Facebook page,
however the Facebook page was made up by someone after the shooting
occurred. But yet this psych knew the shooter was insane because of
what he read on the *shooters* Facebook page.
--
==
Mo...@tor.com
>Look at the picture:
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12157589
Put a light bulb in his mouth and he's Uncle Fester. But yeah, Batshit Crazy.
One has to be extremely careful, however, of the MSM. They always choose a photo
that portrays the person in the light they wish.
As Gregg said in this thread, to just use the excuse that he is crazy will be a
cop out. He planned and meticulously carried out his threat, making YouTube
videos and such. Not like this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOTDn2A7hcY
Many years ago, when I was living in a city, I returned from a camping vacation
in the middle of nowhere. It was a shock just driving back to the city and
trying to find a place to park. But when I got out, the local crazy person (who
was black and who I had seen before) came down the street screaming 'I'm gonna
kill me some motherfucking white people' then walked up to me and said 'starting
with you, fag boy.' I looked him in the eye and asked if he was the welcoming
committee. He started laughing uproariously and walked off. I'd rather deal with
mad than crazy any day of the week though. Crazy can be unpredictable. That is
exactly where I would question Uncle Fester being crazy. He planned this as
though it was meant to happen, not just flying off the handle and doing it. He
should fry regardless.
Jarbidge
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:11:20 -0800, "Lobby Dosser" <L...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>Look at the picture:
>>
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12157589
>
> Put a light bulb in his mouth and he's Uncle Fester. But yeah, Batshit
> Crazy. One has to be extremely careful, however, of the MSM. They always
> choose a photo that portrays the person in the light they wish.
>
> As Gregg said in this thread, to just use the excuse that he is crazy
> will be a cop out. He planned and meticulously carried out his threat,
> making YouTube videos and such. Not like this guy
He was as calculating as McVey.
slide trombone
> In article <iggsa8$89...@news.eternal-september.org>, Lobby Dosser
And he has politicians on the Left and his Sheriff providing his
defense.
and Sniff
While his fellow Repukes cover their asses and disown him.
Scratch
news:80epi6192vm1nq38h...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:45:19 -0800 (PST), slide trombone
> <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 10, 11:58锟絧m, Gregg <G.Han...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In article <iggsa8$89...@news.eternal-september.org>, Lobby Dosser
>>>
>>> <L...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12157589
>>>
>>> 锟絎hile it is convenient that the psychs and the lawyers will claim
>>> he is crazy. The fact is that he is just proud of his
>>> accomplishment. 锟絀'm so tried of the crazy excuse being used.
>>> These people kill others because they want to for whatever reason.
>>> Of course, once caught they will tell the shrinks I heard voices
>>> or the devil made me do it or mommy didn't wipe my chin after
>>> dinner so the psych will go into court and claim 'He is crazy and
>>> not responsible'. 锟絀OW, Psychologist and Chiropractors use the
>>> same science. 100% BS.
>>>
>>> 锟絋his guy is 100% sane and knew exactly what he was doing. You can
>>> always tell if a person is sane when they make a plan and execute
>>> it. Which this killer did with great precision.
>>
>>And he has politicians on the Left and his Sheriff providing his
>>defense.
>
> While his fellow Repukes cover their asses and disown him.
>
Prove he is a Republican (YOU MADE THE CLAIM) coward or prove yourself
to be the liar we all know you are. GO!
-------------------------->
--
"The American people voted to restore integrity and honesty in
Washington, D.C., and the Democrats intend to lead the most honest,
most open and most ethical Congress in history,"
Pelosi - 2006
Just Words Just Speeches
Barack Obama - 2008
Baxter
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote in
message news:Xns9E6A8C4FEEE12La...@81.169.183.62...
>>
>
> Prove he is a Republican (YOU MADE THE CLAIM) coward or prove yourself
> to be the liar we all know you are. GO!
>
His anti-government quack sounds exactly like the Repug anti-government
quack. His gold-standard quack sounds a lot like Glenn Beck's gold-standard
quack, etc.
Tell you what, when you stop advocating violence against "liberals" and
government, we'll stop blaming you when shit like this happens.
Jarbidge
> and Sniff <andS...@scratch.com> offered these wise words
> news:80epi6192vm1nq38h...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:45:19 -0800 (PST), slide trombone
>> <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 10, 11:58 pm, Gregg <G.Han...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <iggsa8$89...@news.eternal-september.org>, Lobby Dosser
>>>>
>>>> <L...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12157589
>>>>
>>>> While it is convenient that the psychs and the lawyers will claim
>>>> he is crazy. The fact is that he is just proud of his accomplishment.
>>>> I'm so tried of the crazy excuse being used. These people kill
>>>> others because they want to for whatever reason. Of course, once
>>>> caught they will tell the shrinks I heard voices or the devil made me
>>>> do it or mommy didn't wipe my chin after dinner so the psych will go
>>>> into court and claim 'He is crazy and not responsible'. IOW,
>>>> Psychologist and Chiropractors use the same science. 100% BS.
>>>>
>>>> This guy is 100% sane and knew exactly what he was doing. You can
>>>> always tell if a person is sane when they make a plan and execute it.
>>>> Which this killer did with great precision.
>>>
>>>And he has politicians on the Left and his Sheriff providing his
>>>defense.
>>
>> While his fellow Repukes cover their asses and disown him.
>>
>>
> Prove he is a Republican (YOU MADE THE CLAIM) coward or prove yourself
> to be the liar we all know you are. GO!
>
> -------------------------->
He'll just BS you and set the followups to auk.
Jarbidge
> -
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote
> in message news:Xns9E6A8C4FEEE12La...@81.169.183.62...
>>>
>>>
>> Prove he is a Republican (YOU MADE THE CLAIM) coward or prove yourself
>> to be the liar we all know you are. GO!
>>
> His anti-government quack sounds exactly like the Repug anti-government
> quack. His gold-standard quack sounds a lot like Glenn Beck's
> gold-standard quack, etc.
Iow - NO PROOF! Typical.
> Tell you what, when you stop advocating violence against "liberals" and
> government, we'll stop blaming you when shit like this happens.
I never read him do that, you seem to be lying again.
SMITH29
Chiropractors?
--
I once said, "We will bury you," and I got into trouble with it. Of
course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will
bury you.
Nikita Khrushchev, Speech in Yugoslavia, Aug. 24, 1963
Russian Soviet politician (1894 - 1971)
The reason Progressive/Socialist/Communist government fails is you
eventually run out of other peoples money.
> Peace amd jsutice,
KEEP CLAM!
The29
Lobby Dosser
Let me get the tea leaves outta my tea bag and get back to you after I've
read them.
Lobby Dosser
news:f1roi65g3f5pdgchm...@4ax.com...
What is sane about planning this? Take overnight to think about it if you
choose.
Scratch
news:igigf2$rct$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> -
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------- Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
>
> "Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants>
> wrote in message
> news:Xns9E6A8C4FEEE12La...@81.169.183.62...
>>>
>>
>> Prove he is a Republican (YOU MADE THE CLAIM) coward or prove
>> yourself to be the liar we all know you are. GO!
>>
> His anti-government quack sounds exactly like the Repug
> anti-government quack. His gold-standard quack sounds a lot like
> Glenn Beck's gold-standard quack, etc.
But that's wasn't the answer sniffer gave now was it droid. Some
republicans also sound just like liberals are they a rat? A DemocRAT?
>
> Tell you what, when you stop advocating violence against "liberals"
> and government, we'll stop blaming you when shit like this happens.
>
Why would I care drone? You ARE whiners like you say in yourr words
above. The left whines and the left lies. So basically you belong to a
party of liars and sniffer is an example and you lie like a rug.
Scratch
news:4d2c...@news.x-privat.org:
>> His anti-government quack sounds exactly like the Repug
>> anti-government quack. His gold-standard quack sounds a lot like
>> Glenn Beck's gold-standard quack, etc.
>
> Iow - NO PROOF! Typical.
From Baxter? ALWAYS!
Scratch
news:4d2c...@news.x-privat.org:
HA! :) Probably right.
Baxter
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote in
message news:Xns9E6AB8778E591La...@85.214.73.210...
> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> offered these wise words
>>
>> Tell you what, when you stop advocating violence against "liberals"
>> and government, we'll stop blaming you when shit like this happens.
>
> Why would I care drone? You ARE whiners like you say in yourr words
> above. The left whines and the left lies. So basically you belong to a
> party of liars and sniffer is an example and you lie like a rug.
>
Do you think you really want a second Civil War? Do you really think you'd
fare better than the Iraqi's or the Afghani's?
Scratch
> -
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------- Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
>
> "Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants>
> wrote in message
> news:Xns9E6AB8778E591La...@85.214.73.210...
>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> offered these wise words
>>>
>>> Tell you what, when you stop advocating violence against
>>> "liberals" and government, we'll stop blaming you when shit like
>>> this happens.
>>
>> Why would I care drone? You ARE whiners like you say in yourr words
>> above. The left whines and the left lies. So basically you belong
>> to a party of liars and sniffer is an example and you lie like a
>> rug.
>>
> Do you think you really want a second Civil War?
Not what I want, BUT I believe it's coming. It's just a matter of when.
Baxter
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote in
message news:Xns9E6AC03382247La...@188.40.43.230...
> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> offered these wise words
>>>
>> Do you think you really want a second Civil War?
>
> Not what I want, BUT I believe it's coming. It's just a matter of when.
>
IOW, yes you do want it and you're doing everything you can to make it
happen. Are you ready to hold your dead wife and kids in your arms? Are
you ready to see your home burned down and everything you own destroyed?
You think it would be a picnic?
Scratch
> Subject: Re: Batshit Crazy!
> From: "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com>
> Newsgroups: or.politics
>
> -
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------- Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
>
> "Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants>
> wrote in message
> news:Xns9E6AC03382247La...@188.40.43.230...
>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> offered these wise words
>>>>
>>> Do you think you really want a second Civil War?
>>
>> Not what I want, BUT I believe it's coming. It's just a matter of
>> when.
>>
> IOW, yes
My lord man just becuse your are one of the most dis honest buffoons in
this NG doesn't mean everyone else is. You asked a simple question and
I gave you an honest answer. DEAL!
Jarbidge
Soak your overheated head.
Jarbidge
You seem foaming and ready to go.
Baxter
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote in
message news:Xns9E6ACC18E2B0DLa...@188.40.43.230...
> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> offered these wise words
> news:igj4jv$cdf$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> Subject: Re: Batshit Crazy!
>> From: "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com>
>> "Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants>
>> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9E6AC03382247La...@188.40.43.230...
>>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> offered these wise words
>>>>>
>>>> Do you think you really want a second Civil War?
>>>
>>> Not what I want, BUT I believe it's coming. It's just a matter of
>>> when.
>>>
>> IOW, yes
>
> My lord man just becuse your are one of the most dis honest buffoons in
> this NG doesn't mean everyone else is. You asked a simple question and
> I gave you an honest answer. DEAL!
>
Go put on your pointed hood and bedsheets, "Scratch". We'll send the FBI to
collect you bye-and-bye.
Jarbidge
You have become very mentally unbalance.
Bill Shatzer
Civil wars seldom end the way those who start them envision.
Edmund Ruffin fired the first and last shots of the American Civil War -
the first was a cannon aimed at Fort Sumpter, the last was a gunshot to
his own head.
peace and justice,
Lobby Dosser
news:4d2d3555$1...@news.x-privat.org...
If you and Larry stopped responding to him, he'd be down to Zero. Even
Shitzer ignores him.
Curt
Mo...@tor.com
The planning part. Crazy people don't plan they just do. That doesn't mean he is
sane. Not by any stretch. But to see him get off because of insanity would be
the worse possible option.
and Sniff
<Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote:
>and Sniff <andS...@scratch.com> offered these wise words
>news:80epi6192vm1nq38h...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:45:19 -0800 (PST), slide trombone
>> <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 10, 11:58 pm, Gregg <G.Han...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <iggsa8$89...@news.eternal-september.org>, Lobby Dosser
>>>>
>>>> <L...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12157589
>>>>
>>>> While it is convenient that the psychs and the lawyers will claim
>>>> he is crazy. The fact is that he is just proud of his
>>>> accomplishment. I'm so tried of the crazy excuse being used.
>>>> These people kill others because they want to for whatever reason.
>>>> Of course, once caught they will tell the shrinks I heard voices
>>>> or the devil made me do it or mommy didn't wipe my chin after
>>>> dinner so the psych will go into court and claim 'He is crazy and
>>>> not responsible'. IOW, Psychologist and Chiropractors use the
>>>> same science. 100% BS.
>>>>
>>>> This guy is 100% sane and knew exactly what he was doing. You can
>>>> always tell if a person is sane when they make a plan and execute
>>>> it. Which this killer did with great precision.
>>>
>>>And he has politicians on the Left and his Sheriff providing his
>>>defense.
>>
>> While his fellow Repukes cover their asses and disown him.
>>
>
>Prove he is a Republican (YOU MADE THE CLAIM) coward or prove yourself
>to be the liar we all know you are. GO!
>
>-------------------------->
Now backpeddle and spin and froth at the mouth about how it isn't an 'official'
word or that it is a Photoshop. That's what you Repukes do best, piss and whine!
Scratch
No date on that document? I asked >>Prove he is a Republican
key word sniffer is well "IS" not was becuse it has come out that he
"IS" and independent as posted in this NG previously. However, as an
independent, he did not even vote in the 2008 election. You said he
"IS" I asked you to prove it. I don't see that you did prove he is
currently registered as a Republican.
If I voted in 1965 as a democrat (I DIDN'T), would that make me a
democrate even though I have been voting Republican and currently am a
registered republican ever sense?
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHHJ_enUS402US402
&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=shooter+is+an+independent
I'll also tell ya someting else, If I change parties, it will most
likely be to "Independent"
If I did, in your eyes would my party be personally responsible for any
whack job that decided to do what this nut job did? Keep trying to pin
the tail on the Donkey but your not very good at it.
Jarbidge
> Baxter wrote:
>
>> -
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Scratch" <Larry_Lund_...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants>
>> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9E6AC03382247La...@188.40.43.230...
>>
>>>"Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> offered these wise words
>>>
>>>>Do you think you really want a second Civil War?
>>>
>>>Not what I want, BUT I believe it's coming. It's just a matter of when.
>
>> IOW, yes you do want it and you're doing everything you can to make it
>> happen. Are you ready to hold your dead wife and kids in your arms?
>> Are you ready to see your home burned down and everything you own
>> destroyed? You think it would be a picnic?
>
> Civil wars seldom end the way those who start them envision.
I cannot recall Scratch saying he wished to start one.
> Edmund Ruffin fired the first and last shots of the American Civil War -
> the first was a cannon aimed at Fort Sumpter, the last was a gunshot to
> his own head.
>
> peace and justice,
And Baxter would likely not survive to see the socializing of Scratch's
home and possessions.
Jarbidge
Point taken. He seems to feed off this with ardor.
Baxter
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
news:4d2dcc1c$1...@news.x-privat.org...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:43:09 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>>
>> Civil wars seldom end the way those who start them envision.
>
> I cannot recall Scratch saying he wished to start one.
You've never heard of "self fulfilling prophecy"?
>
> And Baxter would likely not survive to see the socializing of Scratch's
> home and possessions.
I didn't say anything about "socializing Scratch's home and possessions."
I said they'd get destroyed in a civil war.
Gregg
<andS...@scratch.com> wrote:
I'm afraid that you shouldn't rely on a twitpic as evidence of
anything. AZ also has EZ online registration and political party
changing so anyone could have created that enter or changed the
political party information.
--
==
Jarbidge
> -
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4d2dcc1c$1...@news.x-privat.org...
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:43:09 -0800, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Civil wars seldom end the way those who start them envision.
>>
>> I cannot recall Scratch saying he wished to start one.
>
> You've never heard of "self fulfilling prophecy"?
I understand you lie frequently.
>> And Baxter would likely not survive to see the socializing of Scratch's
>> home and possessions.
>
> I didn't say anything about "socializing Scratch's home and
> possessions." I said they'd get destroyed in a civil war.
As a Marxist however that would be your preferred climax state, wouldn't
it?
Jarbidge
Great spin, very creative. Proof of recent alteration?
Baxter
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
news:4d2d...@news.x-privat.org...
Ipso facto - I'm not a "Marxist".
Jarbidge
Just a socialist?
Roughly the same.
Scratch
news:igksg9$7hg$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> -
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------- Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
>
> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4d2d...@news.x-privat.org...
>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:54:39 -0800, Baxter wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn't say anything about "socializing Scratch's home and
>>> possessions." I said they'd get destroyed in a civil war.
>>
>> As a Marxist however that would be your preferred climax state,
>> wouldn't it?
>
> Ipso facto - I'm not a "Marxist".
>
>
>
HA! Riiiiiiight. Your leader didn't even think he was a socialist
either. Guess we know he his far beyond a socialist now since is
nationalizing don't we.
--
"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is
guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American
precept that each individual is accountable for his actions."
- Ronald Reagan
Baxter
Nope. No socialist is calling for "socializing [anyone's] home and
possessions."
Jarbidge
"Spread the wealth around"?
That Obama fellow...
Scratch
@news.x-privat.org:
>> Civil wars seldom end the way those who start them envision.
>
> I cannot recall Scratch saying he wished to start one.
I didn't.
--
"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is
guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American
precept that each individual is accountable for his actions."
- Ronald Reagan
Curt
<Larry_Lund_of_Nampa...@lefites.are_a_load_in_the_pants> wrote:
> "Baxter" <baxter.spambl...@baxcode.com> offered these wise wordsnews:igivql$v08$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>
>
>
>
> > -
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------- Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---------------
>
> > wrote in message
> >news:Xns9E6AB8778E591La...@85.214.73.210...
>
> >>> Tell you what, when you stop advocating violence against
> >>> "liberals" and government, we'll stop blaming you when shit like
> >>> this happens.
>
> >> Why would I care drone? You ARE whiners like you say in yourr words
> >> above. The left whines and the left lies. So basically you belong
> >> to a party of liars and sniffer is an example and you lie like a
> >> rug.
>
> > Do you think you really want a second Civil War?
>
> Not what I want, BUT I believe it's coming. It's just a matter of when.
I don't believe it. Why do you?
Curt
Jarbidge
> Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> offered these wise words news:4d2dcc1c$1
> @news.x-privat.org:
>
>>> Civil wars seldom end the way those who start them envision.
>>
>> I cannot recall Scratch saying he wished to start one.
>
> I didn't.
There we go.
Lobby Dosser
news:71rqi69a4dia4iq8m...@4ax.com...
You contradict yourself in the second two sentences. And crazy people are
quite capable of planning. But just look at his "plan". A sane gunman would
have done the job with a rifle and had a way out. Lee Harvey Oswald planned
and was sane. Charles Whitman planned and was Batshit Crazy.
Mo...@tor.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/14/AR2011011404927.html
Way too meticulous. Sort of in a terrorist way. Whether openly said or not, this
guy had a definite, carefully planned agenda.
Lobby Dosser
news:tmo2j6hd2gq6smgtv...@4ax.com...
So did Charles Whitman. The foot lockers. The handcart. The high ground.
Charlie killed 16 and wounded 32 and, IIRC, that record stood until the
McDonalds shooter killed 21 almost two decades later.
Jarbidge
Good catch on both, still recall that Michael Douglas movie.
Lobby Dosser
'Falling Down'
Mo...@tor.com
Ok. So why is Loughner considered batshit crazy and Nidal Hasan considered a
terrorist? Both did essentially the same thing. Both are, from your definition,
Batshit Crazy.
Jarbidge
Simple answer, Hassan was working for "Allah"/Jihad.
Loughner was largely unaffiliated with anything.
Mo...@tor.com
How do you know this? Because he said Allu Akhbar? And how does that make one a
terrorist and the other not? Terrorism isn't unique to Islamoextremists. There
have been plenty of cases of domestic terrorism over the years. This fits the
mold to a T.
So following your logic, someone who yells "God help me" or "God is great"
before shooting a bunch of people did it in God's name? Pretty poor logic. To
me, both are terrorists. Both carefully planned to kill people without remorse.
Regardless of partisanship, regardless of religion. Loughner should be treated
as a terrorist. To let him off with therapy simply because 'he is batshit crazy'
would be the wrong move IMHO.
>Loughner was largely unaffiliated with anything.
I don't think enough information about Loughner has been released to make such a
bold statement. Yeah, he had a strange taste in books, was a registered
independent who hadn't voted recently, hated that abortions were legal to name
just a few things that I read about him. And his target seemed to be a Democrat
with no regards for the others in his path. What does that make him? The Left
says a Tea Partier, the Right says a Leftist. I say neither. There has been an
awful lot of hearsay from people claiming to know him. Most of them said they
saw this coming. But he seemed to be sane enough to be let off by the polics
with just a warning when he ran a red light the morning of the shooting. So what
exactly was his motive? Since he isn't talking, we just have to wait and see
what they find from emails, credit card purchases, net surfing and other methods
of discovery.
One last thing. I disagree that guns are the problem here. The access to guns
are part of the problem. For every one nut case that can get his hands on a
weapon, there are hundreds if not thousands that practice good gun ownership. We
really need a better process to filter out the nut jobs and terrorists and keep
them from purchasing such. But if this guy could fool the cops on the morning he
committed the heinous crime, he could probably fool a gun seller. It's not so
easy.
So why did you add a newsgroup to this thread?
Lobby Dosser
news:6ug5j65n97gvl96rm...@4ax.com...
Ask TSA Lady. I suspect because because Hasan's attack had political content
and was carried out on government property. Hasan's attack Appears to Intend
terror. Loughner could just as easily fixated on Harry Reid, John McCain or
the clerk at the Plaid Pantry.
Lobby Dosser
Mostly Reality.
Jarbidge
That's one clue, and here's another:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/major-muslims-
calling-card-soa-soldier-of-allah.html
Here is the card that major Muslim Nidal Hasan gave to the infidels along
with a quran before meeting his 72 raisins.
Could this lowlife jihadi be any more devout? He mosqued every day. Hated
America, hated the troops, proselytized his co-workers, planned his jihad
and completed his mission. His head was shaved. What else was shaved? If
his body was shaved like his head, then the military guys and law
enforcement know and have known that this was jihad, and they are
scamming us now.
Now look at the card. Notice the SoA on the card? Soldiers of Allah.
Followed by SWT, an abbreviation that usually follows the word Allah.
(hat tip Robert)
When writing the name of God (Allah), Muslims often follow it with the
abbreviation "SWT." These letters stand for the Arabic words "Subhanahu
Wa Ta'ala," or "Glory to Him, the Exalted." Muslims use these or similar
words to glorify God when mentioning His name.
Definition: When writing the name of God (Allah), Muslims often follow it
with the abbreviation "SWT." These letters stand for the Arabic words
"Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala," or "Glory to Him, the Exalted." Muslims use these
or similar words to glorify God when mentioning His name.
Pronunciation: sub-han'-a-hoo wa ta a la
Also Known As: Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala
Alternate Spellings: subhana wa ta'ala; subhanna wa ta'ala
Examples:
Muslims believe that Allah SWT created the universe.
> And how does that
> make one a terrorist and the other not?
Affiliation.
> Terrorism isn't unique to
> Islamoextremists. There have been plenty of cases of domestic terrorism
> over the years. This fits the mold to a T.
Hassna's was in the service of a coordinated enemy.
I guess to be accurate then we must call it treason, and terrorism.
> So following your logic, someone who yells "God help me" or "God is
> great" before shooting a bunch of people did it in God's name?
Yes.
> Pretty
> poor logic. To me, both are terrorists. Both carefully planned to kill
> people without remorse. Regardless of partisanship, regardless of
> religion. Loughner should be treated as a terrorist. To let him off with
> therapy simply because 'he is batshit crazy' would be the wrong move
> IMHO.
I agree with that.
>>Loughner was largely unaffiliated with anything.
>
> I don't think enough information about Loughner has been released to
> make such a bold statement. Yeah, he had a strange taste in books, was a
> registered independent who hadn't voted recently, hated that abortions
> were legal to name just a few things that I read about him. And his
> target seemed to be a Democrat with no regards for the others in his
> path. What does that make him? The Left says a Tea Partier, the Right
> says a Leftist. I say neither.
As do I.
> There has been an awful lot of hearsay
> from people claiming to know him. Most of them said they saw this
> coming. But he seemed to be sane enough to be let off by the polics with
> just a warning when he ran a red light the morning of the shooting. So
> what exactly was his motive? Since he isn't talking, we just have to
> wait and see what they find from emails, credit card purchases, net
> surfing and other methods of discovery.
Yes.
> One last thing. I disagree that guns are the problem here. The access to
> guns are part of the problem. For every one nut case that can get his
> hands on a weapon, there are hundreds if not thousands that practice
> good gun ownership. We really need a better process to filter out the
> nut jobs and terrorists and keep them from purchasing such. But if this
> guy could fool the cops on the morning he committed the heinous crime,
> he could probably fool a gun seller. It's not so easy.
>
> So why did you add a newsgroup to this thread?
Why not? It needs exposure. Why did you remove it?
Jarbidge
That's a savvy distinction.
Jarbidge
Ditto that.
The "grammar" here would have set him off big time!
Lobby Dosser
Kelsey?
Scratch
news:ih132r$3rt$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
We do twy!
Hahahahaha... :)
--
taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the
domination of the few … No nation could preserve its freedom in the
midst of continual warfare.
– James Madison
Jarbidge
No, Loughner, that was one of his pet peeves. He'd have gone postal on
poor Scratch the first day.
Jarbidge
Frasier! I missed that one, lol!
Scratch
news:4d3467a8$1...@news.x-privat.org:
I could believe that :)
Jarbidge
Lol. Do you have your own "currency" too?
Scratch
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:23:28 +0000, Scratch wrote:
>
>> Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> offered these wise words
>> news:4d3467a8$1...@news.x-privat.org:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 01:44:59 -0800, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:4d33...@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:16:29 -0800, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4d33...@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:12:29 +0100, Moder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:41:10 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
>>>>>>>> <L...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>><Mo...@tor.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:tmo2j6hd2gq6smgtv...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:37:34 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
>>>>>>>>>> <L...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You contradict yourself in the second two sentences. And
>>>>>>>>>>>crazy people are quite capable of planning. But just look
>>>>>>>>>>>at his "plan". A sane gunman would
>>>>>>>>>>>have done the job with a rifle and had a way out. Lee
>>>>>>>>>>>Harvey Oswald planned
>>>>>>>>>>>and was sane. Charles Whitman planned and was Batshit
>>>>>>>>>>>Crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01
>>>>>>>>>> /1 4/
>>>>>>> AR2011011404927.html
>>>>>>>>>> Way too meticulous. Sort of in a terrorist way. Whether
>>>>>>>>>> openly said or not, this
>>>>>>>>>> guy had a definite, carefully planned agenda.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So did Charles Whitman. The foot lockers. The handcart. The
>>>>>>>>>high ground. Charlie killed 16 and wounded 32 and, IIRC, that
>>>>>>>>>record stood until the McDonalds shooter killed 21 almost two
>>>>>>>>>decades later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok. So why is Loughner considered batshit crazy and Nidal
>>>>>>>> Hasan considered a terrorist? Both did essentially the same
>>>>>>>> thing. Both are, from your definition, Batshit Crazy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simple answer, Hassan was working for "Allah"/Jihad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Loughner was largely unaffiliated with anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mostly Reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ditto that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "grammar" here would have set him off big time!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kelsey?
>>>
>>> No, Loughner, that was one of his pet peeves. He'd have gone
>>> postal on poor Scratch the first day.
>>>
>>>
>> I could believe that :)
>
> Lol. Do you have your own "currency" too?
>
Not yet but the granddaughters are working on it.
Jarbidge
Now yer just "lucid dreaming";-)
Scratch
>>>>>>>>>>>> 01 /1 4/
>>>>>>>>> AR2011011404927.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> Way too meticulous. Sort of in a terrorist way. Whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> openly said or not, this
>>>>>>>>>>>> guy had a definite, carefully planned agenda.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So did Charles Whitman. The foot lockers. The handcart. The
>>>>>>>>>>>high ground. Charlie killed 16 and wounded 32 and, IIRC,
>>>>>>>>>>>that record stood until the McDonalds shooter killed 21
>>>>>>>>>>>almost two decades later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok. So why is Loughner considered batshit crazy and Nidal
>>>>>>>>>> Hasan considered a terrorist? Both did essentially the same
>>>>>>>>>> thing. Both are, from your definition, Batshit Crazy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Simple answer, Hassan was working for "Allah"/Jihad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Loughner was largely unaffiliated with anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mostly Reality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ditto that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "grammar" here would have set him off big time!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kelsey?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Loughner, that was one of his pet peeves. He'd have gone
>>>>> postal on poor Scratch the first day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I could believe that :)
>>>
>>> Lol. Do you have your own "currency" too?
>>>
>>>
>> Not yet but the granddaughters are working on it.
>
> Now yer just "lucid dreaming";-)
>
Haha.. :)
Mo...@tor.com
Ah, Lobby, you disappoint. Hasan's attack had political content and was carried
out on government property but shooting a politician doesn't? The politician is
in effect, government property and the political angle is an obvious one.
Following your logic, shooting the POTUS would not be terrorism unless it was
done on government property. Hasan didn't seem to have a target per se and
Loughner definitely did.
I suppose that intent is a key characteristic of determining whether such an act
constitutes terrorism or not. The meaning of the word implies to bring fear
(terrorize). Both acts accomplished that. I'm still not convinced that Hasan
planned his attack as well as Loughner though. Loughner seemed meticulous. Hasan
on the outside seemed that he shot up the place out of serious frustration that
he didn't want to re-deployed to Muslim land. I could foresee someone yelling
"God is great" if they knew what they were doing was going to send them to their
maker. But it also seems he sought advice from some pretty dubious sources. I
stay with my belief that both committed acts of terrorism.
A better debate might be terrorism or attempted assassination?
Lobby Dosser
message news:Xns9E705F86EAF68La...@188.40.43.213...
Speaking of Postal, I thought they were supposed to work today and be off
tomorrow - not so?
Lobby Dosser
NCO club issued books of Chits and a lot of locals accepted them as
currency. Particularly the owner of a pub quite near the base who liked to
do a bit of drinking at our club - entertainment was generally better. We
usually had a band Friday and Saturday nights. Ahh, the Good Life!
Lobby Dosser
news:rdj9j6l3gi0louqu8...@4ax.com...
Charlie Witman did that. Son of Sam did that. Lots of other looneys do that.
And Loughner's primary target was apolitical. Had there been political
content, she would have taken more than one round. Curiously, had he
concentrated on his primary target there might have been fewer collateral
deaths and injuries.
And a person is decidedly Not government property.
> (terrorize). Both acts accomplished that. I'm still not convinced that
> Hasan
> planned his attack as well as Loughner though. Loughner seemed meticulous.
> Hasan
> on the outside seemed that he shot up the place out of serious frustration
> that
> he didn't want to re-deployed to Muslim land. I could foresee someone
> yelling
> "God is great" if they knew what they were doing was going to send them to
> their
> maker. But it also seems he sought advice from some pretty dubious
> sources. I
> stay with my belief that both committed acts of terrorism.
>
> A better debate might be terrorism or attempted assassination?
--
Scratch
news:ih2t1d$m0m$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>> /1 4/
>>>>>>> AR2011011404927.html
>>>>>>>>>> Way too meticulous. Sort of in a terrorist way. Whether
>>>>>>>>>> openly said or not, this
>>>>>>>>>> guy had a definite, carefully planned agenda.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So did Charles Whitman. The foot lockers. The handcart. The
>>>>>>>>>high ground. Charlie killed 16 and wounded 32 and, IIRC, that
>>>>>>>>>record stood until the McDonalds shooter killed 21 almost two
>>>>>>>>>decades later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok. So why is Loughner considered batshit crazy and Nidal
>>>>>>>> Hasan considered a terrorist? Both did essentially the same
>>>>>>>> thing. Both are, from your definition, Batshit Crazy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simple answer, Hassan was working for "Allah"/Jihad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Loughner was largely unaffiliated with anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mostly Reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ditto that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "grammar" here would have set him off big time!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kelsey?
>>>
>>> No, Loughner, that was one of his pet peeves. He'd have gone
>>> postal on poor Scratch the first day.
>>>
>>
>> I could believe that :)
>>
>
> Speaking of Postal, I thought they were supposed to work today and
> be off tomorrow - not so?
>
>
I honestly haven't seen nor heard anything about it lobby
Jarbidge
> A better debate might be terrorism or attempted assassination?
I like that one.
Toss in JFK, the CIA and exploding pens to Castro.
You might have a real stemwinder going there.
Jarbidge
I like private currencies.
Mo...@tor.com
Was there a grassy knoll nearby? Perhapy we could build a conspiracy museum on
the spot.
Jarbidge
Capital idea!
And we could hand out "Oswald Marksman" badges at the shooting arcade.