Re: [fonc] Building blocks and use of text

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From: Alan Kay <alan...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:52:44 -0800 (PST)
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Fundamentals of New Computing <fo...@vpri.org>

And of course, for some time there has been Croquet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croquet_project


... and its current manifestation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Cobalt


These are based on Dave Reed's 1978 MIT thesis and were first implemented about 10 years ago at Viewpoints.

Besides allowing massively distributed computing without servers, the approach is interesting in just how widely it comprehends Internet sized systems.

Cheers,

Alan




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>The next big thing probably won't be some version of Minecraft, even if Minecraft is really awesome. OTOH, you and your kids can prove me wrong today with Minecraft Raspberry Pi Edition, which is free, and comes with _source code_.
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>http://mojang.com/2013/02/minecraft-pi-edition-is-available-for-download/
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>On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:55 PM, John Carlson <yott...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Miles wrote:
>>> There's a pretty good argument to be made that what "works" are powerful building blocks that can be combined in lots of different ways;
>>So the next big thing will be some version of minecraft?� Or perhaps the older toontalk?� Agentcubes?� What is the right 3D metaphor?� Does anyone have a comfortable metaphor?� It would seem like if there was an open, federated MMO system that supported object lifecycles, we would have something.� Do we have an "object web" yet, or are we stuck with text forever, with all the nasty security vunerabilities involved?� Yes I agree that we lost something when we moved to the web.� Perhaps we need to step away from the document model purely for security reasons.
>>What's the alternative?� Scratch and Alice?� Storing/transmitting ASTs?� Does our reliance on https/ssl/tls which is based on streams limit us? When are we going to stop making streams secure and start making secure network objects?� Object-capability security anyone?
>>Are we stuck with documents because they are the best thing for debugging?
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