Maker Camp 22nd-24th May

[Iain Yarnall]

Hey everyone,

Just checking how many people are still up for the maker camp on the weekend of 22nd to 24th May?

I haven't booked anything but would like to confirm numbers first.

Also, anyone got any ideas for activities? Preferably ones you are willing to lead and arrange materials required etc.

So far we've got:
Stove making (and trying to use them)
Mentos and coke
Astronomy (if someone can bring a telescope)

There will also be the option of a bbq, walking and a trip or 2 to the pub.

Cheers

Iain.

[Ed Bisdee]

Me!

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[Jon Davies]

Yep!

[Jon Davies]

What about Water Rockets?
I can bring a bike pump and a coke bottle ;)

[Ed Bisdee]

Could you ask any campground about if the allow vw campervans, and how much they cost. (if its a lot more i may tent instead)

On 29 Apr 2015 10:43, "Iain Yarnall" <i.ya...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Jon Davies]

It's still be less than a hotel room for one night IMO.  Probably.  Possibly.  You posh thing.

[Chris]

Myself and Helen are up for this,

I'm happy to bring my Telescope and its various Pi based additions

Chris 

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[Iain Yarnall]

What about Water Rockets?
I can bring a bike pump and a coke bottle ;)

Probably no need to bring any coke bottles.  If we do coke and mentos then we should have a few spare.

Might need some spare bottle caps though if we need to modify them for both purposes.

Cheers,

Iain.

[Alistair MacDonald]

Count me in.

Alistair

[Jon Davies]

We could probably do sperrymints!  Little 500ml bottles vs massive Water Cooler barrels!  Not that I have access to Water Cooler barrels any more...

[Jon Davies]

I have a number of 2 litre Pepsi bottles (not loads, probably five or six, some a little squashed). Are there any other handy resources we could be looking out for? What do we need for the jet stoves? If we need cans, there are cans in the space piled up in a box under the Tea table. Anything else required for Mentos fountains apart from Coke and Mentos?

What about other camping fun geek stuff? Probs have to do a search now...perhaps others flying things with propellers :) Balsa wood, cardboard, cling film, rubber bands...

Food/cooking fun. Bring your fave dish or try a new experiment?

That's it for now. Will go and search/try and think of more things...please contribute :)

[Glen Beestone]

Unfortunately I can't do the camping thing but some outdoor hacks I can think of are

Reverse peltier mobile phone charger. -heat sink on one side tea light or alcholol fuel on the other

Bottle rockets (john's coke bottles)

For coke and mentos I'd suggest getting co2 into liquid with a soda syphon/soda stream or a homebrew gas injector. Simply homebrewing elderflower champagne alone won't get enough gas in the liquid

G

[Cay Green]

I'm in! where is it again and can I scrounge a lift from and back to NCL? 

I have the bits for reverse peltier hack (i.e., a *High Temperature* TEC)

also, water distillation with a plastic bottle and tube (although this is more use by the sea). 

I can do foraging event - getting sort of knowledgable in that area, although it isn't really a *hack*. but, no mushrooms - I'm not taking responsibility for that!

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[Iain Yarnall]

OK, so we're kind-of / possibly / not quite / probably not / mostly* booked into this place:

http://www.winshields.co.uk

(Delete where applicable - I've sent them an email and phoned them and they say that'll be fine and they'll reply to my email...)

The campsite has all the bases covered in terms of grass, toilets, showers, bacon, nearby pub etc...

I haven't mentioned the idea of activities but there should be plenty of space to play in.

Usual fire/bbq rules will apply so we'll probably need a few flagstones for testing the stoves so we don't burn the grass.  I have a small folding bbq which we can use to cook on one evening too.

Cheers,

Iain.

[Jon Davies]

>small folding bbq which we can use to cook on one evening too

As if we'll get bored of turning food to ash with jet stoves %)

[Iain Yarnall]

OK. So I got an email back saying there's no need to book and we can just turn up.

The cost per night is £9 per person and 50p per car.

Cheers,

Iain.

[Iain Yarnall]

Hey everyone,

Starting to think more about the "activities" (which btw are entirely optional).  Opening a bottle of something and enjoying the outdoors is an equally good activity!

For the stove making, I can take a few flagstones to put the stoves on to protect the grass (just in case).  I suggest the easiest thing to do is pick a design you like the look of and either bring the bits (and fuel) to make it or make it in advance if you like!  I'm hoping we end up with a few different designs so we can try cooking something on each one and 

see how they compare.  

Here are a few ideas to get people started:

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-Rocket-Stove-from-a-10-Can-and-4-So/?ALLSTEPS

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/gear-features/make-your-own-meths-burner/6227.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqObv_Gw5I

http://www.instructables.com/id/Survival-Stove/

btw Cay, a lift from town won't be a problem.

I'll sort out arrangements for food, transport etc. nearer the time.

Cheers,

Iain.

[Ed Bisdee]

FANTASTIC!

great job iain!

i'm probably going to be brining a variety of stuff to try and start fires with, sticks, bows, wire wool, flint etc.

i'll also have the van if anything big needs bringing (2 passenger slots available)

[Alistair MacDonald]

I would also prefer not to drive if there is a seat free, but if we
are short I can being the car.

Alistair

[Jon Davies]

Wot they all said!

Spare seat anyone?  I can get to MS if that is the better option, otherwise I am over in that Gosforth near that Asda.

[Iain Yarnall]

Think it'll be best to meet at either a metro or a supermarket as meeting in town with several cars after work on a Friday is probably a bad idea.

My boot will be full of flag stones, tin cans, bottles of diet coke, mentos, parma violets, love hearts and refreshers at this rate!!  I'll be able to take people at least even if we need to put bags in Ed's van.

btw.  If anyone else wants to buy bottles of cola and sweets to try then please do so!!  I'm wondering if there are sweets particular to the UK market that may yield better results!  Also, as the best selling soft drink in Scotland, I feel Irn-Bru needs to be tested although it will be a shameful waste!

Cheers,

Iain.

[Chris]

I'll be driving up, will have to wait for Helen to get out of work, so may be a late departure. no idea how much stuff i'm taking yet, but I'm sure I'lll not have to put the back seat down so can take 1-2 people if needed, but you may have to sit inside a Hula Hoop or 6.

Iain, what's your thinking on the allowance of fire poi on the camp site?

Chris 

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[Alistair MacDonald]

Apparently the thing that makes Mentos the best is the way they are turned in what amounts to a large tumble dryer for a time. So, we need a mini tumble dryer to put these alternative sweets in.

I am planning to go to the start of the Life Game 2.0 exhibition first so it might work well for me to grab a lift with Chris if that is okay.

  Alistair

[Glen Beestone]

It's not just that they've been tumbled

The "tumble dryer" is actually a coater

As the sweets are tumbled  they are sprayed with coating from what looks like paint guns, whilst simultaneously blasted with warm air (the drum is perforated)

Its a fine balancing act between tumble speed,  the air to solution mix and pressure, the drying temperature and air speed. Get it wrong one way and you'll end up with no coasting or an uneven coating. Get it wrong the other way and you'll end up with one huge sweet the size of a boulder :-)

Not an easy thing to replicate at all. (I work on stuff like this at work for tablet manufacture.)

Its the multiple layers of sugar solution that build up the rough texture that causes  the gas to coalesce out of the coke.
If you merely tumble them you'll end up polishing them (same as a rock tumbler does) and negate the effect

G

[Alistair MacDonald]

Are you implying we are not capable of such a balancing act? Okay, yes, you are probably current on that one. :-)

  Alistair

[Jon Davies]

I argue that he is sultana on this one %)

[Iain Yarnall]

If only we knew someone with access to a machine that can make mento coatings...  we could try coating things with larger surface areas and increase the number of nucleation sites!!!

[Glen Beestone]

Nucleation sites!

That's what I was trying to remember earlier

G

On 8 May 2015 21:39, Iain Yarnall <i.ya...@gmail.com> wrote:

If only we knew someone with access to a machine that can make mento coatings...  we could try coating things with larger surface areas and increase the number of nucleation sites!!!

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[Iain Yarnall]

Makes me wonder if a powder coated bolt would be any good!  A non-edible trigger would be a good proof of the nucleation theory.

The more I think about it, the more experiments there are to be done.  I think we need some funding or sponsorship!  ;)

[David Pye]

Surely just powdering the mentos and blasting them in will give you the fastest explosion....?

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Makes me wonder if a powder coated bolt would be any good!  A non-edible trigger would be a good proof of the nucleation theory.

The more I think about it, the more experiments there are to be done.  I think we need some funding or sponsorship!  ;)

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[Iain Yarnall]

That's the thing about the Mentos process.  It's like a really fine powder coating already.

[Glen Beestone]

Anything that will give many nucleation points will give a  good result. A handful  of sand will do the trick, so will sugar until it dissolves.

The mentos however sustain the reaction longest as each layer dissolves it reveals a sub layer equally rough until all the gas is liberated from the coke

[Cay Green]

Hi All, fire starting sounds good... I'll bring various materials for different techniques. 

Also, I'm going to treat the weekend as a bit of a backpacking exercise,so will no longer need a lift. looking forward to it :)

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[Jon Davies]

Well now you've all got me thinking about a continuous introduction of a fine powder to the diet coke. I think some setup using dry powder anti-persporant aerosol spray might yield a rather ferocious reaction.

[Chris]

> I am planning to go to the start of the Life Game 2.0 exhibition first so it might work well for me to grab a lift with Chris if that is okay.
>
>   Alistair

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[Jon Davies]

I want to go to the Game On event too, if there is time and daylight and pub at the end :)  Chris, space for a little one in your car??? ;)

[Iain Yarnall]

OK, so the plan is to camp here:

http://www.winshields.co.uk

It's on the military road, past Vindolanda but not as far as Haltwhistle (the nearest Town).  When you get to the Twice Brewed Inn, it's a few hundred metres along on the right (after the YHA).

Camping per night will cost £9 per person and 50p per car.

I'll be driving with an ever growing list of stuff in my car.  Aiming to set off from town around 6ish. (I'd like to get there in good light.)

Chris, Helen, Alistair and probably Jon will be setting off after 7ish

Ed will be arriving on Saturday Morning.

Cay will be backpacking her way there and will arrive sometime.

Anyone else is welcome to join either through the day or for the weekend.

Food will be a case of bring enough for yourself and we can pool it together.

Chris and I will bring camping stoves but feel free to bring your own if you like.  We'll hopefully make our own as well for at least one meal.

We'll most likely have a BBQ on the Saturday evening and probably head to the pub after.

Activities:

Stove Making - I'll take some flagstones - you need to bring tins, fuel etc. for the design you want to try (see links above somewhere) - Oh - and Tin Snips!

I'll have a supply of Mentos and Coke and makings for nozzles and release mechanisms but feel free to bring your own as well.

Cay and Ed will be bringing fire making things.

Chris and I will be bringing glow/fire toys.

Bring some boots in case we go walking/foraging

Anything else you want to play with - bring it!

Cheers,

Iain.

[Brian Degger]

Looks like fun.
Wish i could make it. But will be away.

[Tommy]

Have fun! I was going to try to come along for a day on Saturday but I have family visiting now. Never mind, next time.

- Tommy

[hlmoo...@gmail.com]

Hey Ian,

How many days are you camping for?  I'm away until Sunday evening at about 6pm but could (possibly) either head across Sunday eve or on Monday morning if you're all going to be staying round for a decent part of the day on Monday (and not just packing up tents and heading home Monday morning instead).  

Thanks,

Heather

[Iain Yarnall]

Hey Heather,

Sadly, the plan at the moment is to come back sometime on Sunday.  I hadn't realised it was a bank holiday when the date changed so just kept it at 2 days.

I wouldn't have a problem if people wanted to continue into Monday but I'd want to be getting back for about lunchtime at the latest.

Cheers,

Iain.

[Alistair MacDonald]

Some good news. The forecast is looking good for the weekend, with a small chance a weather front will head across. If it does then it might be very wet but fingers crossed it will not be.

Are we in need on any more communal stuff? Should I bring my gazebo and some spare camp chairs?

Also it is the camp site's Internet connection just wifi, or is it the full fibre to the tent? I ask because it is Eurovision and I would hate us to miss out on the good bit. No, not the singing, the drinking game. Thanks to Norm and friends http://eurovisiondrinking.com/ will keep us up to date with progress so we don't need to endure the singing bit. :-)

  Alistair

[Chris]

Gazebo sounds good, but it adds to the amount of gear we have to take. This is currently a problem if I'm taking 4 of us up there, Iain is willing to take some stuff in his car, which only has him in it, but he is currently going up earlier than the rest of us. The idea being to drop stuff in the space for iain to pick up.

Is there anyone else driving up on the Friday?

The next thing is food. I think the general plan is just to bring stuff to feed yourself, but do a communal cook with what we have. Any ideas?

Chris

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[Iain Yarnall]

Gazebo might be a good idea if there's space.

I was planning to take a large tent that we could sit in if the weather turns bad but a gazebo would be bigger - there's also the pub!

I think the meals will probably pan out something like:

Friday night - You'll probably have had something before you set off - We can get the BBQ going if you want though.

Breakfasts - whatever you want to bring,

Saturday Lunch - something you can heat on your stove*

Saturday night - BBQ

Sunday Lunch - anything that's left and still needs eating.

Any other times - snacks and tea/coffee

* Other heat sources or food options are acceptable and there's also a pub down the road.

Re lifts - I could hang around for the game thing to finish but would rather get up there in good light.

Cheers,

Iain.

[hlmoo...@gmail.com]

Hey Iain,

Ah don't worry about it.  It's a shame I can't come but I'm sure you'll have another camping trip at some point!  I hope you all have a great time.

Heather

[Alistair MacDonald]

As we have Jon to take as well I have a feeling I may need to drive after all. This is assuming me car passes it's MOT tomorrow. If I am not taking the car then I know we will not have room, but as things stand we are very short of space so an extra car would help. Considering the amount of stuff Jon normally brings we might need a couple of trailers and a medium sized van as well. ;-)

Also I was planning on an early exit from Life as I would also like to get there while it is still light, but it finishes at 7pm and sunset is about 9pm so I don't see that as a problem.

As for food I was going to have a chat with people about more group cooking on Wednesday and do a shop on the Thursday. Personally I like the idea of a communal breakfast in addition to the BBQ, and perhaps clubbing together for some food to just makes things easer. I can do an Asda, Iceland and Lidl run if needed and have a (smallish) cool box with coolers. I also like the idea of the pub. :-)

Another question is what is our meat eater to vegetarian ratio among us? Do we need a second BBQ to cook on?

I have a smallish camp table that I should be able to fit in. Do we need another for cooking? Also do we have / need some communal lighting for the gazebo?

  Alistair

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[Chris]

Crosses fingers for MOT. I may well be making Jons pile look like a reasonable amount..

Glozebo? - I have a gas lamp

Should be in tonight.

Chris
 

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[Jon Davies]

Options of kit I can bring for the general masses to use:
-Portable gas stove (need gas)

-Cool box

-Ice packs

-Pots/pans

[Iain Yarnall]

Don't worry about gas stoves.  I think we have them covered.

Maybe a pan for cooking on your stove would be good - i.e. not a good one as the smoke will knacker it.

Cool box and Ice packs good too.

Cheers,

Iain.

 

[Alistair MacDonald]

I have a cool box and coolers as well. Is it worth me bringing an old pan and/or frying pan to experiment cooking with?

  Alistair

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[Alistair MacDonald]

If anyone is interested in breakfast I have just stocked up with some bread rolls and 40 (yes, four zero) budget sausages to share. I also have 4 pints of milk to share but we could do with some more tea. I also don't have a way of cooking any of this.

My car is working (yay) so I can bring Jon leaving Newcastle at about 7pm. Going in s convoy would be good but remember I am not a fast driver.

I will also throw in a telescope just because.

  Alistair

[Iain Yarnall]

Excellent!

I'll have tea/coffee making stuff.  There are local shops nearby too if we really need.

Cheers,

Iain.

[Chris]

Brilliant!

I shall probably leave a little later and arrive a little before Alistair, but it depends how much stuff I take....

Chris
 

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[Cay Green]

All sounds cool! I'll be heading across tomorrow afternoon so may well be first there. I am veggie (now) so have packed some bare essentials but happy to chip in for stuff if somebody has brought extra especially. As for Eurovision, it might be on in the pub... I can't remember if it had a telly last time I was there. 

Looking forward to seeing everybody!

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[Ed Bisdee]

I'll be coming sat morning, due to anniversary and one or two errands. Ill be bringing some wood etc. Does anyone need a lift sat morning?

[Iain Yarnall]

It turns out I don't actually have a portable bbq any more so it must still be in a field in France.

Does anyone have one they can pack for Saturday night please??  If not, I'm happy to buy another one.

Cheers,

Iain.

[Chris]

I'll see what state my BBQ is in this afternoon, but it's only a little one. Quite happy to bring it.

Chris
 

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[Alistair MacDonald]

I don't know why but I find that hilarious.

Sorry I don't have one. As a backup the web site says the camp site has BBQ facilities. That or some disposable ones?

  Alistair

[Iain Yarnall]

Let me know how it turns out Chris.  I'm happy to buy a new one.  I have a bag of charcoal which should do us and some utensils.

I was convinced I'd brought mine back from Le Mans last year!  After watching the 24hr race and with a 3hr drive to a hotel (and a friend who's too drunk to be of any help) things become more disposable when it comes to packing everything up.

Cheers,

Iain.

[Alistair MacDonald]

Have you checked you still have a tent Iain. :-P

  Alistair

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[Chris]

Iain,

  My BBQ grill needs more than a clean, it's been in my coal shed for a five years and now needs a refurb. If your going to get yourself a new one for yourself anyway, that would be great..

Chris

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[Chris]

does anyone have a wifi dongle that supports being an access point? all three of my dongles have the same chipset and I can't get it running. would be nice to try and take some photo's through the telescope..

Chris

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[Alistair MacDonald]

I am bringing my Three mifi with a few GB credit remaining on it that
is predicted to get a "good" (ie less than perfect) signal. I also
have an unlocked E220 dongle if you have a SIM from another network
you want to use.

Alistair


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[Chris]

will your mifi let me connect to another device on the network? could do that with a phone?

Chris

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I always presumed so, and everything gets a unique private IP, but I
don't know if I have ever tried it. I and bringing it anyway so we can
give it a go, but I can not promise it will work.

Alistair


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[Chris]

ok another experiment for maker camp, if you can remember the config details, can you send them to me so i can configure here? I'll take my netbook, but i think the battery is on the way out..

Cheers,

Chris

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[Iain Yarnall]

OK.  I'll nip to B&Q on my way home.

I'm not quite as prepared as I'd hoped I'd be as I still need to pack my car and stop at the supermarket in Hexham so will probably get there at 8ish at this rate!

I have however re-glued the mento release tubes (and dry tested them)!  ;)

Cheers,

Iain.

[Alistair MacDonald]

We are at the space and about to head out. ETA 8:30 or earlier depending on Jon making a decision. Okay, about 11pm then. :-P

  Alistair

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[Chris]

we too are about to head off.

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Subject: Re: [Makers] Maker Camp 22nd-24th May

[Greg Fenton]

Remember people - *dry* cowpats can be used as fuel for the fire.
Which of you volunteers to find out if it is dry or not?

Have a brilliant weekend

Greg

[Jon Davies]

Sadly not many cows, mostly sheep and horses and angry sounding birds. The field was actually incredibly well kept except for perhaps slightly long grass.

My water rocket would have put paid to any dry cow pats. %)

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