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Terje Henriksen
Feb 3, 2016, 12:02:38 AM2/3/16
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Den 02.02.2016 16.42, skrev Andreas Falck:
> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 16:09 skrev Ole Madsen:
>> vi debaterede for nyelig Mikael, og unavngiven person (gæt selv hvem)
>> sagde at det var et andet navn for Jesus, men så faldt jeg over dette
>>
>> Dengang ærkeenglen Mikael stredes med Djævelen om Moses’ lig, vovede han
>> trods alt ikke at udtale nogen spottende dom, men sagde blot: »Herren
>> straffe dig!
>>
>> Bibelen. Den hellige Skrifts kanoniske Bøger. (1992). (Jud 9). Det
>> Danske Bibelselskab.
>>
>> Mikael siger "Herren straffe dig", altså er Mikael ikke Herren selv, men
>> en under Herrens autoritet og myndighed
>
> har du ikke blot en ret så overfladisk læsning??
>
> I øvrigt betyder Michael "den der er Gud helt lig" - og det er da en
> titel/navn der passer helt perfekt på Jesus, som jo netop er *den
> eneste* der er Gud helt lig!!
>
> Her er lidt du kan studere:
> http://biblelight.net/michael.htm
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #1
>
> 1 Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
> with the voice of the *archangel*, and with the trump of God: and the
> dead in Christ shall rise first:
>
> Who raises the dead with His voice? Not a created angel, indeed not even
> a created archangel. The shout is given with the voice of the
> *archangel*, the LORD Jesus Christ Himself:
>
> John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to
> the Son to have life in himself;
> John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because
> he is the Son of man.
> John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all
> that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
> John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the
> resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
> resurrection of damnation.
>
> It is the voice of Jesus Christ (the Son of man) that raises the dead.
> Just as 1 Th 4:16 says, the Lord Jesus shall descend from heaven and
> shout with the voice of the Archangel, because He is the Archangel. With
> that shout, the righteous dead will be raised from their graves!
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #2
>
> Jude 1:9 Yet *Michael the archangel*, when contending with the devil he
> disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing
> accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
>
> This verse is a virtual duplicate of another Old Testament event-
>
> Zec 3:1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the
> *angel of the LORD*, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
> Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan;
> even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a
> brand plucked out of the fire?
>
> In both Jude 9 and Zech 3:1-2 it is Jesus, the *angel of the LORD* who
> is also *Michael the archangel*, contending with Satan for both Moses
> and Joshua.
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #3
>
> Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and
> twenty days: but, lo, *Michael*, one of the chief princes, came to help
> me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia
>
> The prince of the kingdom of Persia is a reference to Satan, and Michael
> refers again to Jesus. It is the created angel Gabriel that is speaking
> with Daniel (See Dan 8:16, 9:21). The reference to Michael as one of the
> chief princes probably alludes to the Trinity, with Jesus being one part
> of the triune Godhead.
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #4
>
> Dan 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of
> truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but
> Michael your prince.
>
> Gabriel says that only he and Michael know certain truths which Gabriel
> will reveal to Daniel. Who could this Michael be but Jesus, God Himself,
> giving Gabriel the truths to reveal to Daniel?
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #5
>
> Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which
> standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of
> trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same
> time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that
> shall be found written in the book.
> Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall
> awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting
> contempt.
>
> Michael standing up is a reference to the second coming of Jesus at the
> end of time when He delivers His people, those listed in the Lamb's book
> of life, to include resurrecting those that sleep in the dust to
> everlasting life.
>
> Some might propose that, in these three preceding texts from Daniel, the
> description of Michael as a mere prince is inappropriate for Jesus, so
> it must be speaking of a created angel. Note the following verses:
>
> Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
> government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
> Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The
> Prince of Peace.
>
> Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the
> commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the
> Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street
> shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
>
> Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a
> murderer to be granted unto you;
> Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the
> dead; whereof we are witnesses.
>
> Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and
> hanged on a tree.
> Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a
> Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
>
> Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the
> first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
> Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #6
>
> Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought
> against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, ...
>
> Who leads the angelic host of heaven, who is their captain?
>
> Josh 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he
> lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over
> against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him,
> and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
> Josh 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as *captain of the host* of the LORD am
> I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship,
> and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
> Josh 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy
> shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And
> Joshua did so.
>
> Notice that Joshua worshipped the *captain of the Host*? If this were a
> mere angel, then the angel would have protested Joshua worshipping him,
> just as the angel protested John the Revelator worshipping him (Rev
> 22:8-9). So Joshua met with God (Jesus Christ) the *captain of the
> Host*. That is why he stood on holy ground and was asked to remove his
> shoes (just like Moses was asked in Exo 3:5 and Acts 7:33). Therefore,
> in Rev 12:7 you have Satan and his angels, and Jesus (Michael, the
> *captain of the Host*) and His angels - this was the war that began in
> heaven and continues today.
>
> And what does the name Michael mean? It means *who (is) like God?* A
> very good question indeed - who is like Jesus?
>
> As this study shows, according to scriptures, Jesus is the angel of the
> LORD, the angel of God, the angel of the covenant, the Archangel
> Michael, who appeared time and again in the Old Testament to speak
> directly to His people. Michael is just another title for the Son of
> God, Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh, the principle messenger of
> the gospel (archangel) to humanity, but He is not a created being.
Dersom vi står på krava, vil vi bli som Gud. Det står i Bibelen.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 16:09 skrev Ole Madsen:
>> vi debaterede for nyelig Mikael, og unavngiven person (gæt selv hvem)
>> sagde at det var et andet navn for Jesus, men så faldt jeg over dette
>>
>> Dengang ærkeenglen Mikael stredes med Djævelen om Moses’ lig, vovede han
>> trods alt ikke at udtale nogen spottende dom, men sagde blot: »Herren
>> straffe dig!
>>
>> Bibelen. Den hellige Skrifts kanoniske Bøger. (1992). (Jud 9). Det
>> Danske Bibelselskab.
>>
>> Mikael siger "Herren straffe dig", altså er Mikael ikke Herren selv, men
>> en under Herrens autoritet og myndighed
>
> har du ikke blot en ret så overfladisk læsning??
>
> I øvrigt betyder Michael "den der er Gud helt lig" - og det er da en
> titel/navn der passer helt perfekt på Jesus, som jo netop er *den
> eneste* der er Gud helt lig!!
>
> Her er lidt du kan studere:
> http://biblelight.net/michael.htm
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #1
>
> 1 Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
> with the voice of the *archangel*, and with the trump of God: and the
> dead in Christ shall rise first:
>
> Who raises the dead with His voice? Not a created angel, indeed not even
> a created archangel. The shout is given with the voice of the
> *archangel*, the LORD Jesus Christ Himself:
>
> John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to
> the Son to have life in himself;
> John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because
> he is the Son of man.
> John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all
> that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
> John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the
> resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
> resurrection of damnation.
>
> It is the voice of Jesus Christ (the Son of man) that raises the dead.
> Just as 1 Th 4:16 says, the Lord Jesus shall descend from heaven and
> shout with the voice of the Archangel, because He is the Archangel. With
> that shout, the righteous dead will be raised from their graves!
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #2
>
> Jude 1:9 Yet *Michael the archangel*, when contending with the devil he
> disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing
> accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
>
> This verse is a virtual duplicate of another Old Testament event-
>
> Zec 3:1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the
> *angel of the LORD*, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
> Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan;
> even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a
> brand plucked out of the fire?
>
> In both Jude 9 and Zech 3:1-2 it is Jesus, the *angel of the LORD* who
> is also *Michael the archangel*, contending with Satan for both Moses
> and Joshua.
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #3
>
> Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and
> twenty days: but, lo, *Michael*, one of the chief princes, came to help
> me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia
>
> The prince of the kingdom of Persia is a reference to Satan, and Michael
> refers again to Jesus. It is the created angel Gabriel that is speaking
> with Daniel (See Dan 8:16, 9:21). The reference to Michael as one of the
> chief princes probably alludes to the Trinity, with Jesus being one part
> of the triune Godhead.
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #4
>
> Dan 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of
> truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but
> Michael your prince.
>
> Gabriel says that only he and Michael know certain truths which Gabriel
> will reveal to Daniel. Who could this Michael be but Jesus, God Himself,
> giving Gabriel the truths to reveal to Daniel?
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #5
>
> Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which
> standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of
> trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same
> time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that
> shall be found written in the book.
> Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall
> awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting
> contempt.
>
> Michael standing up is a reference to the second coming of Jesus at the
> end of time when He delivers His people, those listed in the Lamb's book
> of life, to include resurrecting those that sleep in the dust to
> everlasting life.
>
> Some might propose that, in these three preceding texts from Daniel, the
> description of Michael as a mere prince is inappropriate for Jesus, so
> it must be speaking of a created angel. Note the following verses:
>
> Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
> government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
> Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The
> Prince of Peace.
>
> Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the
> commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the
> Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street
> shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
>
> Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a
> murderer to be granted unto you;
> Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the
> dead; whereof we are witnesses.
>
> Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and
> hanged on a tree.
> Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a
> Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
>
> Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the
> first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
> Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
>
> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #6
>
> Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought
> against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, ...
>
> Who leads the angelic host of heaven, who is their captain?
>
> Josh 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he
> lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over
> against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him,
> and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
> Josh 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as *captain of the host* of the LORD am
> I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship,
> and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
> Josh 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy
> shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And
> Joshua did so.
>
> Notice that Joshua worshipped the *captain of the Host*? If this were a
> mere angel, then the angel would have protested Joshua worshipping him,
> just as the angel protested John the Revelator worshipping him (Rev
> 22:8-9). So Joshua met with God (Jesus Christ) the *captain of the
> Host*. That is why he stood on holy ground and was asked to remove his
> shoes (just like Moses was asked in Exo 3:5 and Acts 7:33). Therefore,
> in Rev 12:7 you have Satan and his angels, and Jesus (Michael, the
> *captain of the Host*) and His angels - this was the war that began in
> heaven and continues today.
>
> And what does the name Michael mean? It means *who (is) like God?* A
> very good question indeed - who is like Jesus?
>
> As this study shows, according to scriptures, Jesus is the angel of the
> LORD, the angel of God, the angel of the covenant, the Archangel
> Michael, who appeared time and again in the Old Testament to speak
> directly to His people. Michael is just another title for the Son of
> God, Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh, the principle messenger of
> the gospel (archangel) to humanity, but He is not a created being.
Dersom vi står på krava, vil vi bli som Gud. Det står i Bibelen.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
Terje Henriksen
Feb 3, 2016, 12:12:22 AM2/3/16
to
Den 02.02.2016 19.32, skrev Andreas Falck:
> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 16:51 skrev Ole Madsen:
>> men det er jo interessant at Mikael ikke giver sig af med at sige noget
>> imod satan hvad han overlader til Herren, tja jeg citere bare
>
> Det er meget interessant at Jesus i Bibelen kaldes for "Herrens Engel".
>
> Men jeg kan se at du slet ikke har taget dig tid til at læse de
> skriftsteder og den medfølgende kommentar til de enkelte skriftsteder
> inden du stolt og skråsikkert blot fejer det hele til side - akkurat som
> du plejer at gøre hvis nogen skulle formaste sig til at være uenig med.
Jesus er sin fars øye, ifølge informasjon jeg fikk fra himmelen. Andre
Herrer i himmelen kan da også være Guds øyne. Herrene i himmelen velger
sine utvalgte på jorda. Noen av disse kalles Herrens øyne. I Bibelen
står det at det er 7 av disse. I dag, i de siste tider, kan det muligens
være grovt regnet ca. 1000 av dem. De har evig kraft fra himmelen, og
formidler kraft videre til alt liv på jorda, men ikke til de som Gud har
forlatt. De stjeler ånder med kraft for å skaffe seg kraft og liv.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 16:51 skrev Ole Madsen:
>> imod satan hvad han overlader til Herren, tja jeg citere bare
>
> Det er meget interessant at Jesus i Bibelen kaldes for "Herrens Engel".
>
> Men jeg kan se at du slet ikke har taget dig tid til at læse de
> skriftsteder og den medfølgende kommentar til de enkelte skriftsteder
> inden du stolt og skråsikkert blot fejer det hele til side - akkurat som
> du plejer at gøre hvis nogen skulle formaste sig til at være uenig med.
Jesus er sin fars øye, ifølge informasjon jeg fikk fra himmelen. Andre
Herrer i himmelen kan da også være Guds øyne. Herrene i himmelen velger
sine utvalgte på jorda. Noen av disse kalles Herrens øyne. I Bibelen
står det at det er 7 av disse. I dag, i de siste tider, kan det muligens
være grovt regnet ca. 1000 av dem. De har evig kraft fra himmelen, og
formidler kraft videre til alt liv på jorda, men ikke til de som Gud har
forlatt. De stjeler ånder med kraft for å skaffe seg kraft og liv.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
Terje Henriksen
Feb 3, 2016, 12:15:57 AM2/3/16
to
Den 02.02.2016 16.59, skrev Ole Madsen:
> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 16:42 skrev Andreas Falck:
>> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 16:09 skrev Ole Madsen:
>>> vi debaterede for nyelig Mikael, og unavngiven person (gæt selv hvem)
>>> sagde at det var et andet navn for Jesus, men så faldt jeg over dette
>>>
>>
> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 16:42 skrev Andreas Falck:
>> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 16:09 skrev Ole Madsen:
>>> vi debaterede for nyelig Mikael, og unavngiven person (gæt selv hvem)
>>> sagde at det var et andet navn for Jesus, men så faldt jeg over dette
>>>
>>
>> ARCHANGEL / MICHAEL TEXT #3
>>
>> Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and
>> twenty days: but, lo, *Michael*, one of the chief princes, came to help
>> me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia
>
> "one of the chief princes", altså mener du at der er flere som Jesus?
>>
>> Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and
>> twenty days: but, lo, *Michael*, one of the chief princes, came to help
>> me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia
>
> altså flere Guds enebårne sønner?
Andre Herrer, skulle jeg tro, som Gud har satt som sjefer over visse
ting i universet, både områder og åndelige ting, tror jeg.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
Terje Henriksen
Feb 3, 2016, 12:17:52 AM2/3/16
to
Den 02.02.2016 20.29, skrev Lyrik:
>
> Judas bog er tydeligt en apokryf. Altså en løgnehistorie. Det kan man se
> af at han citerer to beviselige løgnehistorier og præsenterer dem som
> sandhed.
>
> Alle engle, inklusive såkaldte ærkeengle er skabt. Jesus er ikke skabt.
> Han er født. Han er Guds eneste fødte Søn. Den enbårne Søn.
>
> Andreas og Bjarne er ikke-kristne sekterister. Der er ingen grund til at
> debattere med dem om ærkeengle.
> Ærkeengle er skabt! Jesus er født.
>
> Og det er rigtigt som der bliver understreget af Ed.Cr. Det er Jehovas
> Vidner og Adventisterne der kører i det kætteri.
Jesus er både skapt og født, iogmed at han eksisterte lenge før han ble
født av Jomfru Maria.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
> Den 02/02/2016 kl. 16.09 skrev Ole Madsen:
>> vi debaterede for nyelig Mikael, og unavngiven person (gæt selv hvem)
>> sagde at det var et andet navn for Jesus, men så faldt jeg over dette
>>
>> vi debaterede for nyelig Mikael, og unavngiven person (gæt selv hvem)
>> sagde at det var et andet navn for Jesus, men så faldt jeg over dette
>>
>> Dengang ærkeenglen Mikael stredes med Djævelen om Moses’ lig, vovede han
>> trods alt ikke at udtale nogen spottende dom, men sagde blot: »Herren
>> straffe dig!
>>
>> Bibelen. Den hellige Skrifts kanoniske Bøger. (1992). (Jud 9). Det
>> Danske Bibelselskab.
>>
>> Mikael siger "Herren straffe dig", altså er Mikael ikke Herren selv, men
>> en under Herrens autoritet og myndighed
> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>> trods alt ikke at udtale nogen spottende dom, men sagde blot: »Herren
>> straffe dig!
>>
>> Bibelen. Den hellige Skrifts kanoniske Bøger. (1992). (Jud 9). Det
>> Danske Bibelselskab.
>>
>> Mikael siger "Herren straffe dig", altså er Mikael ikke Herren selv, men
>> en under Herrens autoritet og myndighed
>
> Judas bog er tydeligt en apokryf. Altså en løgnehistorie. Det kan man se
> af at han citerer to beviselige løgnehistorier og præsenterer dem som
> sandhed.
>
> Alle engle, inklusive såkaldte ærkeengle er skabt. Jesus er ikke skabt.
> Han er født. Han er Guds eneste fødte Søn. Den enbårne Søn.
>
> Andreas og Bjarne er ikke-kristne sekterister. Der er ingen grund til at
> debattere med dem om ærkeengle.
> Ærkeengle er skabt! Jesus er født.
>
> Og det er rigtigt som der bliver understreget af Ed.Cr. Det er Jehovas
> Vidner og Adventisterne der kører i det kætteri.
Jesus er både skapt og født, iogmed at han eksisterte lenge før han ble
født av Jomfru Maria.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
Andreas Falck
Feb 3, 2016, 1:57:29 AM2/3/16
to
Den 03-02-2016 kl. 06:12 skrev Terje Henriksen:
> ifølge informasjon jeg fikk fra himmelen.
Du mener fra dine okkulte "ånder" og andet djævleyngel.
> ifølge informasjon jeg fikk fra himmelen.
--
Med venlig hilsen
Andreas Falck
http://solascriptura.dk/
*Nu også med video-klip*
Terje Henriksen
Feb 4, 2016, 7:56:39 PM2/4/16
to
Den 03.02.2016 07.57, skrev Andreas Falck:
> Den 03-02-2016 kl. 06:12 skrev Terje Henriksen:
>
>> ifølge informasjon jeg fikk fra himmelen.
>
> Du mener fra dine okkulte "ånder" og andet djævleyngel.
Neida, jeg mener fra himmelen. Det sitter en Herre der oppe på en trone
> Den 03-02-2016 kl. 06:12 skrev Terje Henriksen:
>
>> ifølge informasjon jeg fikk fra himmelen.
>
> Du mener fra dine okkulte "ånder" og andet djævleyngel.
og sender kraft til utvalgt liv på jorda, slik at de alltid er fulle av
kraft.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
Terje Henriksen
Feb 4, 2016, 8:02:42 PM2/4/16
to
Den 03.02.2016 12.20, skrev Lyrik:
> Den 03/02/2016 kl. 08.05 skrev Andreas Falck:
>> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 20:29 skrev Lyrik:
>>
>> [ ... ]
>> faktisk ført bevis for at Jesus skulle være skabt.
>>
>> Altså må det være dig, der sammen Vagttårns-Bjarne, er en kættersk
>> sekterist.
> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>
> Du skal ikke konkludere for mig! Jesus er ikke en engel! Han er heller
> ikke en ærkeengel. Han er Guds Søn alene født af Gud som den eneste.
>
> Dine indsatte engelske fraser hvor engle, Gud og billeder på Jesus
> bliver blandet sammen i én amerikansk pærevælling har intet med noget
> relevant at gøre.
>
> Når Gud taler og optræder, så gjorde han det repræsenteret af engle.
> Når englen siger "Jeg herren siger..." så er det som læser han en
> proklamation op fra Gud.
> Nøjagtig det samme gør vi mennesker når kongen talte til folket. En mand
> på en hest red frem med en skriftrulle og udtalte " Jeg kong Georg den
> 3. proklamerer hermed...."!
>
> Som der siges har Gud talt gennem profeter og engle. Tilsidst talte han
> til os ved sin Søn, hvad mange lignelser fortæller.
> Det var tilsidst at han talte ved sin Søn.
>
> På dansk kan man dårligt repræsentere Gud som "Jeg er". Ser man en
> engelsk gengivelse af Septuaginta, den mest autentiske GT vi har så
> siges der 2.Mose 3:
>
> 14 And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and he said, Thus
> shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you.
>
> I betydningen "Den som eksisterer". "Den selv-eksisterende".
> Det er den Jesus er.
>
> Jeg frasiger mig på tro og love at Jesus er ærkeenglen Mikael. Eller
> andre end Guds Søn den selveksisterende.
> Han er vor Gud og vi skal omvende folkeslagene og døbe dem i Jesu navn.
>
> I Jesu navn fordi hele vort livs betydning ligger i det navn. I Jesu
> navn fordi al magt er overgivet til ham og ham alene.
Jesus er Herre, og Guds sønn. Ingen vanlig engel, altså.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
> Den 03/02/2016 kl. 08.05 skrev Andreas Falck:
>> Den 02-02-2016 kl. 20:29 skrev Lyrik:
>>
>> [ ... ]
>>> Alle engle, inklusive såkaldte ærkeengle er skabt.
>>
>> [ ... ]
>>
>>> Ærkeengle er skabt! Jesus er født.
>>
>> Hvis såfremt og i så fald du har ret i din påstand, så har du rent
>>
>> faktisk ført bevis for at Jesus skulle være skabt.
>>
>> Altså må det være dig, der sammen Vagttårns-Bjarne, er en kættersk
>> sekterist.
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>
> Du skal ikke konkludere for mig! Jesus er ikke en engel! Han er heller
> ikke en ærkeengel. Han er Guds Søn alene født af Gud som den eneste.
>
> Dine indsatte engelske fraser hvor engle, Gud og billeder på Jesus
> bliver blandet sammen i én amerikansk pærevælling har intet med noget
> relevant at gøre.
>
> Når Gud taler og optræder, så gjorde han det repræsenteret af engle.
> Når englen siger "Jeg herren siger..." så er det som læser han en
> proklamation op fra Gud.
> Nøjagtig det samme gør vi mennesker når kongen talte til folket. En mand
> på en hest red frem med en skriftrulle og udtalte " Jeg kong Georg den
> 3. proklamerer hermed...."!
>
> Som der siges har Gud talt gennem profeter og engle. Tilsidst talte han
> til os ved sin Søn, hvad mange lignelser fortæller.
> Det var tilsidst at han talte ved sin Søn.
>
> På dansk kan man dårligt repræsentere Gud som "Jeg er". Ser man en
> engelsk gengivelse af Septuaginta, den mest autentiske GT vi har så
> siges der 2.Mose 3:
>
> 14 And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and he said, Thus
> shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you.
>
> I betydningen "Den som eksisterer". "Den selv-eksisterende".
> Det er den Jesus er.
>
> Jeg frasiger mig på tro og love at Jesus er ærkeenglen Mikael. Eller
> andre end Guds Søn den selveksisterende.
> Han er vor Gud og vi skal omvende folkeslagene og døbe dem i Jesu navn.
>
> I Jesu navn fordi hele vort livs betydning ligger i det navn. I Jesu
> navn fordi al magt er overgivet til ham og ham alene.
Jesus er Herre, og Guds sønn. Ingen vanlig engel, altså.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
Andreas Falck
Feb 5, 2016, 12:39:21 AM2/5/16
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Den 05-02-2016 kl. 02:02 skrev Terje Henriksen:
> Jesus er Herre, og Guds sønn. Ingen vanlig engel, altså.
Det har jeg altså heller ikke sagt noget som helst om!!!
> Jesus er Herre, og Guds sønn. Ingen vanlig engel, altså.
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