Re: Is NewsDemon a Scam?
Mike Easter
> They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different block
> accounts. I only ordered one.
If I made a purchase and the merchant charged my card twice, I would
notify the CC co of the charge error and would expect to have it
removed. There is a process for resolution of disputed charges.
> And on the pricing page it says block accounts do not expire.
>
> https://www.newsdemon.com/usenet-access.php
That non-expiring is what I see, which is a very common plan, such as
that of usenet-news, which is a block I have which is non-expiring.
> Yet on the two receipts I received it says they expire in 12 months:
>
> When you signed up, you selected the following service::
> Service:: Newsdemon (Block Plan)
> Period: 12 month(s)
> Price: 2.00 for 12 month(s).
The information you posted above doesn't say anything about the size of
the block which is 10 gigs and the period should be 'non-expiring' and
the price should be 2.00 for 10 gigs block not 2.00 for 12 months period.
> What is the deal with Newsdemon? Are they real, or are they just
> fraudulent scammers?
My non-expiring block with usenet-news has been going on for years. I've
never had a newsdemon account.
There is no point in getting crazy about $2 or $4. If you are getting
upset about this situation with newsdemon, then don't use their
services, write off the loss as a bad experience to be forgotten as soon
as possible, and buy a block with someone else.
Or, use their plan until you use up 20 gigs, 10 gigs twice if you can't
get the charge reversed.
I recall a somewhat similar situation with 'free' teranews in which you
pay a one-time fee for the free registration which is assumed to be of
'unlimited' duration, but the way the site shows your account there is
actually some kind of very long time limit in years.
Maybe it is not 'possible' (legally) to sell you something that will
last in perpetuity. Maybe newsdemon would like to say a year (on paper)
and then next year say another year if you haven't used it up.
--
Mike Easter
Bert
wrote:
> There is no point in getting crazy about $2 or $4.
That sounds like the attitude of the person on the receiving end of $4
from a few hundred suckers.
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
Stan Brown
> Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different block
> > accounts. I only ordered one.
>
> If I made a purchase and the merchant charged my card twice, I would
> notify the CC co of the charge error and would expect to have it
> removed. There is a process for resolution of disputed charges.
Indeed there is. And the process requires to to try to work it out
with the merchant before you notify the credit-card company.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...
Mike Yetto
>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 04:44:12 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> > They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different block
>> > accounts. I only ordered one.
>>
>> If I made a purchase and the merchant charged my card twice, I would
>> notify the CC co of the charge error and would expect to have it
>> removed. There is a process for resolution of disputed charges.
>Indeed there is. And the process requires to to try to work it out
>with the merchant before you notify the credit-card company.
The OP mentioned that he used a debit card which leaves him
without the bank's help.
Mike "after all, what have we ever done for the banks?" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.
Mike Easter
> Stan Brown
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different
>>>> block accounts. I only ordered one.
>>> If I made a purchase and the merchant charged my card twice, I
>>> would notify the CC co of the charge error and would expect to
>>> have it removed. There is a process for resolution of disputed
>>> charges.
>> Indeed there is. And the process requires to to try to work it out
>> with the merchant before you notify the credit-card company.
>
> The OP mentioned that he used a debit card which leaves him without
> the bank's help.
I don't have/use any debit cards, but (my understanding is that) one is
not 'helpless' and at the mercy of the merchant to resolve disputes.
http://www.getdebit.com/learning/how-to-dispute-a-debit-card-charge/
How to Dispute a Debit Card Charge
In this case, the problem is that the OP made two subscriptions/payments
in error because he thought things weren't happening fast enough.
That behavior causes problems for the process which is automated except
for when a human makes an error and someone has to spend time and energy
and resources at some cost to fix the human's error, which in this case
is $2 worth of human impatience. Maybe that should be the penalty for
the human's error.
--
Mike Easter
David H. Lipman
> Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> writes and having writ moves on.
>> On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 04:44:12 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different block
>>>> accounts. I only ordered one.
>>>
>>> If I made a purchase and the merchant charged my card twice, I would
>>> notify the CC co of the charge error and would expect to have it
>>> removed. There is a process for resolution of disputed charges.
>
>> Indeed there is. And the process requires to to try to work it out
>> with the merchant before you notify the credit-card company.
>
> The OP mentioned that he used a debit card which leaves him
> without the bank's help.
>
Really ?
Sqwertz wrote; "They charged my credit card twice ..."
The bank or credit card company can still act on the purchaser's behalf as the second
charge may be considered fraudulent.
--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
Mike Easter
> The bank or credit card company can still act on the purchaser's
> behalf as the second charge may be considered fraudulent.
It wasn't *fraudulent*. The OP made two separate transactions for two
separate accounts. Now he wants to undo that action.
--
Mike Easter
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> That non-expiring is what I see, which is a very common plan, such as
>> that of usenet-news, which is a block I have which is non-expiring.
>
> I have both UsenetNews and Blocknews. Which don't expire.
> Unfortunately they both use readnews.com as the back end. And
> readnews,com is not receptive to fixing problem . Eitehr usetent-news
> - I haven't been able to connect to them for 6 monthsd and their last
> response to me was "You are unfortunate 2% who could not connect to
> out servers".
That inability to connect sounds strange to me. Maybe you are doing
something wrong again. Do you mean you cannot connect or do you mean
you are unable to login?
Initiating server query ...
Looking up IP address for domain: news.us.usenet-news.net
The IP address for the domain is: 198.186.190.14
Connecting to the server on remote port: 119
[Connected] The server greeted our connection with this message:
200 news.usenet-news.net NNRP Service Ready - sup...@usenet-news.net
(posting ok)
Query complete.
dns news.us.usenet-news.net
Canonical name: usenet-news-iad.readnews.com
Aliases:
news.us.usenet-news.net
Addresses:
198.186.190.14
198.186.190.71
--
Mike Easter
David H. Lipman
I am not sure exactly how it went down and that's why I used a qualifier of "may be" and
not a succinct statement that it was a case of fraud.
In either case, The bank or credit card company can still act on the purchaser's behalf .
David H. Lipman
telnet news.usenet-news.net 119
Connecting To news.usenet-news.net...Could not open connection to the host, on port 119:
Connect failed
Mike Easter
> "Mike Easter"
>> Looking up IP address for domain: news.us.usenet-news.net
>> dns news.us.usenet-news.net
>> Canonical name: usenet-news-iad.readnews.com
>> Aliases:
>> news.us.usenet-news.net
> telnet news.usenet-news.net 119
> Connecting To news.usenet-news.net...Could not open connection to the host, on port 119:
> Connect failed
The server's name is news.us.usenet-news.net (and others)
http://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=faq
Q: What are the server addresses?
A: We have two server systems, each can be accessed via standard
connection (nntp), or SSL (nntps):
SERVER ADDRESSES:
* news.us.Usenet-News.net (US Server farm, Ashburn, VA)
* news.eu.Usenet-News.net (EU Server farm, Amsterdam, NL)*
* The EU server system can be reached via 3 different addresses, and
depending on your location you might get better performance from one or
another.
Please experiment with the addresses below if you experience performance
issues.
* Europe address 1: eu1.Usenet-News.net
* Europe address 2: eu2.Usenet-News.net
* Europe address 3: eu3.Usenet-News.net
AVAILABLE PORTS:
* NNTP: 119, 20, 23, 53, 443, 2000, 8080, 9000, 9001, 9002
* NNTP+SSL: (NNTPS) : 563, 80, 81, 465, 993
Normally you should use the system closest to you, but if there is some
issue at that system you might use the other system.
--
Mike Easter
David H. Lipman
telnet eu1.Usenet-News.net 119
200 news.usenet-news.net NNRP Service Ready - sup...@usenet-news.net (posting ok)
telnet news.us.Usenet-News.net 119
200 news.usenet-news.net NNRP Service Ready - sup...@usenet-news.net (posting ok)
Mike Easter
> Do you see the words 'debit card' anywhere in his post?
He said later:
> About an hour later after not receiving any confirmation account info
> in my email and not seeing any action on my bank account (it was a
> debit card) I tried it again
That is the blow-by-blow account of his making two separate transactions
on his debit card which he refers to as a credit card.
If I were the merchant I would fix it if I could; but if the merchant
has a billing service which is 'difficult', (big billing service, little
unimportant merchant) they may not be able to fix it so easily or they
may not feel motivated to have to ask favors of someone else's resources
for the type of account they don't find 'valuable' (Just guessing.)
--
Mike Easter
Mike Easter
> "Mike Easter"
>>> Connecting To news.usenet-news.net...Could not open connection to the host, on port 119:
>>> Connect failed
>> The server's name is news.us.usenet-news.net (and others)
> telnet eu1.Usenet-News.net 119
> 200 news.usenet-news.net NNRP Service Ready - sup...@usenet-news.net (posting ok)
>
> telnet news.us.Usenet-News.net 119
> 200 news.usenet-news.net NNRP Service Ready - sup...@usenet-news.net (posting ok)
Perhaps the OP made the same error in his newsreader's configuration.
The server calls itself news.usenet-news.net when it answers.
It seems like an easy enough error/assumption to make.
--
Mike Easter
David H. Lipman
Yes.
MartinS
> Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
>
>> There is no point in getting crazy about $2 or $4.
>
> That sounds like the attitude of the person on the receiving end of $4
> from a few hundred suckers.
It takes a long time to make a million, $2 or $4 at a time.
--
Martin S.
MartinS
> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> said:
>
>>They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different block
>>accounts. I only ordered one.
>
>
>>Yet on the two receipts I received it says they expire in 12 months:
>
>
>>I've tried to connect to their "24-hour live support", but they
>>disconnected me when I started to explain the problem.
>
> File a fraud complaint with the relevant authorities, including FTC if
> they're a US company.
>
>>What is the deal with Newsdemon? Are they real, or are they just
>>fraudulent scammers?
>
> hold their feet to the fire.
Is it really worth all the hassle for two bucks?
That wouldn't even buy you a cup of Americano at Starbucks.
--
Martin S.
MartinS
> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different block
>>>> > accounts. I only ordered one.
>>>>
>>>> If I made a purchase and the merchant charged my card twice, I
>>>> would notify the CC co of the charge error and would expect to
>>>> have it removed. There is a process for resolution of disputed
>>>> charges.
>>
>>>Indeed there is. And the process requires to to try to work it out
>>>with the merchant before you notify the credit-card company.
>>
>> The OP mentioned that he used a debit card which leaves him without
>> the bank's help.
>
>
> The OP said" They charged my credit card twice and gave me two
>
In his second post (12:02:37 -0500 on Sun, 4 Sep 2011) he says "it was a
debit card".
It appears he has purchased a total of 20GB non-expiring for $4.00.
Not such a bad deal.
--
Martin S.
David H. Lipman
Not if you have a half million suscibers.
Mike Yetto
>From: "Mike Yetto" <mye...@nycap.invalid>
>> Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> writes and having writ moves on.
>>> On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 04:44:12 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different block
>>>>> accounts. I only ordered one.
>>>>
>>>> If I made a purchase and the merchant charged my card twice, I would
>>>> notify the CC co of the charge error and would expect to have it
>>>> removed. There is a process for resolution of disputed charges.
>>
>>> Indeed there is. And the process requires to to try to work it out
>>> with the merchant before you notify the credit-card company.
>>
>> The OP mentioned that he used a debit card which leaves him
>> without the bank's help.
>>
>Really ?
>Sqwertz wrote; "They charged my credit card twice ..."
He also wrote this...
"About an hour later after not receiving any confirmation account
info in my email and not seeing any action on my bank account (it
was a *debit* card) I tried it again - same error."
Emphasis mine.
>The bank or credit card company can still act on the purchaser's behalf as the second
>charge may be considered fraudulent.
The last dispute I had (a few years ago) regarding a debit card I
had to close the account to keep the unscrupulous vendor from
charging me for an order I cancelled. The laws protecting debit
card holders may have caught up with those protecting credit card
holders.
Mike "that would be nice" Yetto
Gene E. Bloch
> The last dispute I had (a few years ago) regarding a debit card I
> had to close the account to keep the unscrupulous vendor from
> charging me for an order I cancelled. The laws protecting debit
> card holders may have caught up with those protecting credit card
> holders.
>
> Mike "that would be nice" Yetto
OTOH, I have recently seen references to policies that say debit cards
aren't protected. Unfortunately, I didn't store the source name in my
leaky brain :-(
Gene "so the policy possibly still isn't nice" Bloch
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Mike Yetto
>Mike Yetto wrote:
>> Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> writes and having writ
>> moves on.
>>>On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 04:44:12 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different
>>>> > block accounts. I only ordered one.
>>>>
>>>> If I made a purchase and the merchant charged my card twice, I
>>>> would notify the CC co of the charge error and would expect to
>>>> have it removed. There is a process for resolution of disputed
>>>> charges.
>>
>>>Indeed there is. And the process requires to to try to work it
>>>out with the merchant before you notify the credit-card company.
>>
>> The OP mentioned that he used a debit card which leaves him
>> without the bank's help.
>Actually you are wrong.
>The OP said" They charged my credit card twice and gave me two
>different block accounts. I only ordered one."
>You see the words 'credit card' there?
>Do you see the words 'debit card' anywhere in his post?
I did. It is in this post -- <tsarcj65...@sqwertz.com>
>
>> Mike "I really have no clue" Yetto
That is what is fraudulent.
Mike "do try to keep up" Yetto
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> That inability to connect sounds strange to me. Maybe you are doing
>> something wrong again.
>
> logged in and puch a post through maybe 1 out of 8 times. But I sure
> can't download headers without most of the sockets timing out.
When I am having some uknown/undiagnosed trouble with provider's servers
vs my system, I do due diligence/troubleshooting to determine if the
problem is on my end or the provider's end.
I do *not* try to get the provider support to diagnose the unknown
problem, because in the case of ISP support, the support person
typically only has some kind of client-help menu and is of little use to
making a correct diagnosis compared to my own. I look upon an
undiagnosed NSP server vs client problem in the same way.
It does not make any sense to me yet why I should be able to access the
usenet-news server and login and download headers and you should not,
which makes me believe that it is not the server, but the client or its
configuration.
--
Mike Easter
thoolen
NaN> Newsgroups: news.software.readers
NaN> [cough]
That's two weeks now you've had that cough, murphy. See a doctor.
NaN> Looking at the poor cousin of the busted GG-Advanced page;
NaN> "Your search - swe...@cluemail.compost site:alt.* - did
NaN> not match any documents."
What does Google's notoriously-broken search have to do with
newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> Reading *all* the contributions thusfar --- and measuring your
NaN> responses to those against that of a known person (to me) ---
NaN> I am infused(?) with that "dejaVu" yet again.
What does your paranoia have to do with newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> Classic Paul Derbyshire behavior, I have been waiting
NaN> for this line (of defence) to pop, from you... in the thread.
Who is "Paul Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.
NaN> Paul too must have the last word AND "defend my honour, Sir".
So must anybody who is subjected to scurrilous public lies, murphy.
NaN> Paul too suffers a form of dyslexia which denies him CLI and
NaN> even "click it" operations others breeze through.
Who is "Paul", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
alias. And what does your unsubstantiated allegation about him have to
do with newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> Paul too looks for solutions in "real time", hitting refresh
every
NaN> other minute looking for responses. To then deny he is at fault.
Who is "Paul", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
alias. And what does your unsubstantiated allegation about him have to
do with newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> Things being what they are for Paul today I *know* he will be
NaN> hunting for a new portal to post his verbal diarrhea from.
NaN> The Usenet world is shrinking for him.
Who is "Paul", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
alias. And what does your unsubstantiated allegation about him have to
do with newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> So, you are not PGD?
Who is "PGD", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
alias. And what does your question of Sqwertz have to do with
newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> Fine, consider this then.
NaN> Martin is quite correct with his advice.
What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> Your two bits in umbrage towards any merchant doing a
"switcheroo"
NaN> will have *no* impact.. except to create Noise in <asr>.
What is "<asr>", murphy, and what does it have to do with newsreaders?
NaN> The wrong group for your post , btw.. but you know that.
How ironic.
NaN> Also there are many variables which are easily enacted in setting
a
NaN> new account.. rubbishing the few suggested helps nobody.
What does your claim have to do with newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> You say "No, I'm not. Trust me - I know what I'm doing.".
What does your dishonest attempt to put words in Sqwertz's mouth have
to do with newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> Taking that at face value you are able to suss out all the
resources
NaN> available to you just as well as anyone else who knows what they
NaN> are doing can.
Classic pontification.
NaN> And of course you can now add to that 'list' email to
NaN> < phla...@fastmail.fm >.
Address to which to send spam and flame mail noted, murphy.
NaN> I have no problem in spending $2 to assist, and I am looking at
NaN> purchasing another block for my stable, anyways.
So you can abuse even more news servers impersonating people and
posting your trolls to half of Usenet?
NaN> hTh
Classic insincerity.
MartinS
> From: "MartinS" <m...@my.place.invalid>
>> Bert <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>> Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is no point in getting crazy about $2 or $4.
>>>
>>> That sounds like the attitude of the person on the receiving end of $4
>>> from a few hundred suckers.
>>
>> It takes a long time to make a million, $2 or $4 at a time.
>>
> Not if you have a half million suscibers.
Do you really think half a million people would put up their two bucks if
word got out it was a scam? There are plenty of reputable NSPs out there
selling block accounts at low prices. Many will give you a trial for free
or a couple of bucks. Astraweb will sell you 180GB for $25.
--
Martin S.
MartinS
> David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> writes:
>>From: "Mike Yetto" <mye...@nycap.invalid>
With a debit card the money comes out of your bank account immediately -
it's like cash. With a credit card you don't have to pay until 2-3 weeks
after you receive the statement, giving you time to dispute a charge
through the bank. I wouldn't use a debit card on an internet purchase
unless there were no alternative.
--
Martin S.
MartinS
> Mike Yetto wrote:
>
>> The last dispute I had (a few years ago) regarding a debit card I
>> had to close the account to keep the unscrupulous vendor from
>> charging me for an order I cancelled. The laws protecting debit
>> card holders may have caught up with those protecting credit card
>> holders.
>>
>> Mike "that would be nice" Yetto
>
> OTOH, I have recently seen references to policies that say debit cards
> aren't protected. Unfortunately, I didn't store the source name in my
> leaky brain :-(
>
> Gene "so the policy possibly still isn't nice" Bloch
Possibly the policies vary by bank and/or by jurisdiction.
--
Martin S.
Sqwertz
> What is the deal with Newsdemon? Are they real, or are they just
> fraudulent scammers?
So thew answer is: YES
NewsDemon Block Accounts ARE and will continue to be a SCAM. I
received an answer from them today along with a [supposed] $4 credit
to my credit card.
------
Hi Steve,
Block accounts don't expire on a monthly basis like the rest of our
accounts, but the credit must be used within 12 months of purchase.
We've refunded both charges to your credit card and closed the
accounts as requested. Please let us know if you have any other
questions.
------
Hundreds of other people will continue to get suckered by NewsDemon
unless they read this first.
-sw
MartinS
> Just Me wrote:
>> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > They charged my credit card twice and gave me two different block
>>>>> > accounts. I only ordered one.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I made a purchase and the merchant charged my card twice, I
>>>>> would notify the CC co of the charge error and would expect to
>>>>> have it removed. There is a process for resolution of disputed
>>>>> charges.
>>>
>>>>Indeed there is. And the process requires to to try to work it out
>>>>with the merchant before you notify the credit-card company.
>>>
>>> The OP mentioned that he used a debit card which leaves him without
>>> the bank's help.
>>
>>
>> The OP said" They charged my credit card twice and gave me two
>>
>> Do you see the words 'debit card' anywhere in his post?
>
> term that - it went through as a Visa transaction - from a debit
> account.
What country are you in? In Canada, credit and debit cards are kept
entirely separate, avoiding any confusion. A debit card works with your
chequing/checking or savings account, a credit card doesn't. You can't
use one for the other, although that may change.
--
Martin S.
MartinS
Can we consider the matter closed now? (He asks, hopefully.)
--
Martin S.
Mike Easter
>> What is the deal with Newsdemon? Are they real, or are they just
>> fraudulent scammers?
>
> So thew answer is: YES
I don't really think that deal is a scam; more like 'inadequately
disclosed'.
$2 for a 10 gig block is a very good deal, especially for someone who
needs/uses > 10 gigs/y.
I paid $3 to usenet-news some years ago for 5 gigs for 'backup' since I
have access to a giganews outsourced from my connectivity provider and I
still have usenet-news gigs left.
In my case, I wouldn't be (as) happy with $2/y, because I can pay $3 for
'years and years'.
I think the merchant was fair to refund your $4 and the trouble may
motivate them to disclose the info properly on their website.
> Block accounts don't expire on a monthly basis like the rest of our
> accounts, but the credit must be used within 12 months of purchase.
> We've refunded both charges to your credit card and closed the
> accounts as requested.
> Hundreds of other people will continue to get suckered by NewsDemon
> unless they read this first.
It is a good deal, but they should disclose the 12 months instead of
calling it 'non-expiring'.
"Non-Expiring Block Plans - These plans do not expire."
--
Mike Easter
A-corn
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:43:06 -0400, MartinS wrote:
> Can we consider the matter closed now? (He asks, hopefully.)
Dear Mr Sniveling Whiner:
You can always take some personal responsibility for yourself and
killfile/ignore the thread rather than trying to condition others to
post according to your reading preferences. You'll eventually learn
the latter doesn't work too well. And that way you won't be tempted
to engage in thread where you have nothing to offer.
-sw
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Murphy "wu®m <y...@holding.d.bottle.baby-spankin.null>" wrote;
Classic Paul D3rbyshire behavior, I have been waiting
for this line (of defence) to pop, from you... in the thread.
Paul too must have the last word AND "defend my honour, Sir".
Paul too suffers a form of dyslexia which denies him CLI and
even "click it" operations others breeze through.
Paul too looks for solutions in "real time", hitting refresh every
other minute looking for responses. To then deny he is at fault.
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Hello Paul
Murphy did not write;
Paul too is the quintessential pathological liar.
Murphy should have.
--
protect the squirrels from butt fucking poast humping D3rbyshire
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> calling it 'non-expiring'.
> - Accessing our system simultaneously through different IP addresses.
> We will issue one warning and then upon the second detection your
> account will be terminated without refund.
>
> Yet on the pricing page next to Block Accounts it says:
>
> "We allow account sharing with these plans"
> [https://www.newsdemon.com/usenet-access.php]
>
> So yet another example of them misleading people buying block
> accounts.
I believe that the conflicts between the terms page and the faq page and
the promotion/pricing page are inconsistencies which need to be fixed
rather than being intentionally misleading.
It is likely that they didn't have a block plan and then for economic
reasons decided to introduce that option, but then they didn't rewrite
all of their pages of faqs and terms.
I seem to recall at some time in the past a very short list of NSPs
offering block plans and I don't recall newsdemon being on that list.
--
Mike Easter
David H. Lipman
LOL
I pay for multiple NSPs because I download lots of binaries and different NSP servers
filter differently.
You have to love all that malware I find in alt.binaries.* { NOT }
--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
Mike Yetto
>Mike Yetto <mye...@nycap.invalid> wrote:
>> The last dispute I had (a few years ago) regarding a debit card I
>> had to close the account to keep the unscrupulous vendor from
>> charging me for an order I cancelled. The laws protecting debit
>> card holders may have caught up with those protecting credit card
>> holders.
>With a debit card the money comes out of your bank account immediately -
>it's like cash. With a credit card you don't have to pay until 2-3 weeks
>after you receive the statement, giving you time to dispute a charge
>through the bank. I wouldn't use a debit card on an internet purchase
>unless there were no alternative.
That's a lesson I learned while simultaneously dodging a bullet.
I closed the account the day before they used it to open a
pay-pal account.
Mike "untrusting bastard, but kept my money" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.
Gene E. Bloch
I agree; sorry for not making it clear that I wasn't positing a
universal truth - I save that for political and religious discussions
:-)
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
MartinS
Why would they care if a block account is shared?
Once the gigs are used up, they're gone.
--
Martin S.
MartinS
> MartinS wrote:
>
>> Can we consider the matter closed now? (He asks, hopefully.)
>
>
> You can always take some personal responsibility for yourself and
> killfile/ignore the thread rather than trying to condition others to
> post according to your reading preferences. You'll eventually learn
> the latter doesn't work too well. And that way you won't be tempted
> to engage in thread where you have nothing to offer.
Many thanks for your sage advice, Mr. Squirts.
I shall file it in the round file.
Really, I don't know why you would want to prolong it, since your original
problem has been resolved.
--
Martin S.
Shmuel Metz
at 01:26 PM, Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> said:
>Indeed there is. And the process requires to to try to work it out
>with the merchant before you notify the credit-card company.
Which he did.
I've tried to connect to their "24-hour live support",
but they disconnected me when I started to explain the
problem. And have tried "24-hour Live Support" 3 times
since then and nobody will answer the chat sessions.
I've also emailed and submitted support tickets 3
times with no response.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT <http://patriot.net/~shmuel>
Unsolicited bulk E-mail subject to legal action. I reserve the
right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. Reply to
domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me. Do not
reply to spam...@library.lspace.org
Shmuel Metz
at 12:01 PM, Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> said:
>In this case, the problem is that the OP made two
>subscriptions/payments in error because he thought things weren't
>happening fast enough.
That's a problem, but it's not the problem that makes it fraudulent.
It's fraudulent because it was bait-and-switch.
In <9ci0q5...@mid.individual.net>, on 09/04/2011
at 12:11 PM, Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> said:
>It wasn't *fraudulent*.
Bait-and-switch is fraud.
thoolen
NaN> Newsgroups: news.software.readers
NaN> Followup-To: aioe.news.helpdesk
Denied, murphy.
NaN> Hello Paul
Who is "Paul", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.
NaN> Murphy did not write;
NaN> Paul too is the quintessential pathological liar.
What does your not having written an unsubstantiated allegation
regarding "Paul" have to do with newsreaders, murphy?
NaN> Murphy should have.
Adam H. Kerman
>Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>I used a debit card as a credit card. I don't know how you want to
>>term that - it went through as a Visa transaction - from a debit
>>account.
>What country are you in? In Canada, credit and debit cards are kept
>entirely separate, avoiding any confusion. A debit card works with your
>chequing/checking or savings account, a credit card doesn't. You can't
>use one for the other, although that may change.
He's talking about how processing of the transaction works. When the
card is processed as a debit card transaction, the bank customer
must enter a PIN. There's no PIN as a credit card transaction. Also
the processing fees are different that favor credit cards, not seen by
the bank customer typically.
It's still linked to a bank account and the money is debited as soon
as the transaction hits the bank.
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> Yet on the pricing page next to Block Accounts it says:
>>>
>>> "We allow account sharing with these plans"
>>> [https://www.newsdemon.com/usenet-access.php]
I believe that above is their intention.
>> It is likely that they didn't have a block plan and then for economic
>> reasons decided to introduce that option, but then they didn't rewrite
>> all of their pages of faqs and terms.
> Why would they care if a block account is shared?
> Once the gigs are used up, they're gone.
Correct; the pricing page account sharing approval is in conflict with
another page which I believe was created when they didn't have block
accounts.
Likewise the info about accessing from multiple/different IPs.
The block gigs get used the same regardless of how many people or IPs
are downloading them.
However, the problem with having an inconsistent documentation of the
rules which are of sufficient importance to cause one to lose their
account is that it has the potential for misunderstandings and ill-will
as occurred in this case.
It would have been much better if the payment page had functioned
properly when Sqwertz wanted to buy an account so that he wouldn't
accidentally buy two, and it would have been better if there were a year
limit on the account that it be properly noticed so that if that
limitation to 'non-expiring' were a deal-killer he could pass up on the
good deal of $2 for 10 gigs (expires in 1 year).
--
Mike Easter
MartinS
>
> -sw
I read this group every day.
--
Martin S.
MartinS
It's not the same as a PIN, but some internet credit card transactions
require the 3-digit code number on the back of the card, and some require
a special verification password that has been set up with the issuer.
--
Martin S.
Sqwertz
> And on the pricing page it says block accounts do not expire.
>
> https://www.newsdemon.com/usenet-access.php
>
> Yet on the two receipts I received it says they expire in 12 months:
>
> When you signed up, you selected the following service::
> Service:: Newsdemon (Block Plan)
> Period: 12 month(s)
> Price: 2.00 for 12 month(s).
Upon further investigation, it would seem that the 12-month limitation
is imposed by Highwinds. I just signed up with Thundernews (for a
penny less) and they have the same limitation. But at least they TELL
you that before you give them money.
It appears many of these Highwinds resellers are one in the same.
Same support system, same receipts, same welcome letters, same IP's,
and they allow posting by default (you have to email them and wait...)
So it appears Highwinds got my $2 back anyway.
-s ("I want my $2!" - name the movie) w
Robert Miles
> From: "Mike Easter"<Mi...@ster.invalid>
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>>>> usenet-news, which is a block I have which is non-expiring.
>>>
>>> I have both UsenetNews and Blocknews. Which don't expire.
>>> Unfortunately they both use readnews.com as the back end. And
>>> readnews,com is not receptive to fixing problem . Eitehr usetent-news
>>> - I haven't been able to connect to them for 6 monthsd and their last
>>> response to me was "You are unfortunate 2% who could not connect to
>>> out servers".
>>
>> That inability to connect sounds strange to me. Maybe you are doing something wrong
>> again. Do you mean you cannot connect or do you mean you are unable to login?
>>
>> Initiating server query ...
>> Looking up IP address for domain: news.us.usenet-news.net
>> The IP address for the domain is: 198.186.190.14
>> Connecting to the server on remote port: 119
>> [Connected] The server greeted our connection with this message:
>> 200 news.usenet-news.net NNRP Service Ready - sup...@usenet-news.net (posting ok)
>> Query complete.
>>
>> dns news.us.usenet-news.net
>> Canonical name: usenet-news-iad.readnews.com
>> Aliases:
>> news.us.usenet-news.net
>> Addresses:
>> 198.186.190.14
>> 198.186.190.71
>>
>
> telnet news.usenet-news.net 119
> Connecting To news.usenet-news.net...Could not open connection to the host, on port 119:
> Connect failed
Looks like you left out the "us." part of their server name.