tubes/valves and Global Shipping
JohnK
So, glad I could find out a little more about all the tubes getting retained at the eBay Global Shipping HQ and also to give you guys something to laugh about.
I’m surprised you saw that listing so quickly. It was up for a few minutes and then immediately taken down. I did the high price so as to make sure not to forget which listing was the test listing.
Take care. Rodney at VTubeAudio "
John K
SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.
People who will search for it, will find it there.
Usually Ebay is weird like all times, either its about mercury or other chemicals in tubes that are restricted to ship, and since the package will be shipped by ebay itself, they are responsible for it. Same thing goes for radioactive contents (radar tubes). Another thing is the "export" restriction of military items, for example a "kn-6 trigger tube" is not allowed to export.
If you are not from US - you can still use the US-Site, look for nice items, and ask the seller if he sends it to you on "normal" way. Worked a few times for me.
They are not really checking whats in the packgae :) I once bought a piece of uranium ore, very active, detectable through the package, but since the seller labeled it as "piece of rock", it was un noticed.
JohnK
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Tomasz Kowalczyk
W dniu piątek, 23 czerwca 2017 04:37:23 UTC+2 użytkownik johnk napisał:
err, I think the point is NOT TO use the Global Shipping by selecting another category, because they DO open [some/all] packages. See various stories circulating. They obviously find it easier when the description tips them off - like the guy who lost his amplifier, NOT just the valves in it.I bet they will stop handling anything with lead solder. [I had argument with local authority about disposal of colour TV CRT glass - it is lead glass. They had been screaming about the amount of lead being handled ! They treat it as if it is actually free lead or toxic free-salt/compound. Same with mercury. I don't know what lack-of science and chemistry is taught these days but it is totally pathetic!
When we live in an "advanced" culture it behoves us to know an amount of stuff. It can't be totally a Nanny State. Old episode of the Simpsons last night where they made a joke in a speech about "get a half-life" makes me ponder whether it just went straight over the heads of the majority of viewers. People tend to vote and politicians get to decide about waste dumps etc. How can "we" get the right answers when the voters are clueless about the issues. The Greenies and 'enlightened' pollies here in Oz have done a lot of damage over the years through being rather ignorant - just enough knowledge to be dangerous. Doesn't matter how good the science advisers are - the pollies get to set the terms of reference and the scope.Reason for the above... a lead-in to this. That tube guy said he had been checking out the ebay setup with ebay guys.How about someone who is a stake holder trying to chat with the global shipping ninnies?
SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.
Would you (thinking as a company) ship items that contain - or could contain - a substance that ist banned?. If a substance is not allowed by rules, you can't blame the company shipping the packages if the will not break the rules. Its the same thing about "writing a low value" for customs - many people do it, risking a penalty, some people don't to follow the rules.
Alot of RULES are made completely idiotic and senseless, thats where the problem is.
alb.001 alb.001
I had an auction on E-Bay USA. They canceled my auction for a special low temperature thermometer because it contained mercury and thalium which they declared as hazardous and not shippable by any approved methods. How did it get to me from England if it was not possible to ship it ? I live in Canada. They did not refund the listing price. Ignorance and stupidity is widespread.
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Bill van Dijk
Great discussion!
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I think the problem lies in education, and to be more specific - lack of ability to differ real knowledge from bullshit. The internet, while being a wonderful tool for work and learning (I was raised in the internet era and seriously, I can't understand how you were supposed to educate yourself at home without the internet!), is also a great place for stupid people and trolls. The biggest issue in searching for information is the ability to see what is a true scientific answer and what is made up by someone. I think that many people believe the latter one because the information is easier to digest than a full scientific report. It will sound logical, but many people won't see a big flaw in the logic of the non-scientist.
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As someone who lived most of my life prior to the internet, I learned through books, and, equally important, from knowledgeable people. Stupid people and trolls had far fewer means of distribution of their rhetoric. Your point about education is still valid though. Educated people who's moral compass points firmly North are better equipped to separate knowledge from bullshit. They appear to become a minority. The "other group" (I'm trying to be politically correct here, otherwise I would have said something like dumbasses) are intimidated by facts and science and are more likely to follow someone who spouts simple, but believable (to them) nonsense presented in a confident manner. That's how a despicable "leader" sparked WW2, and how recently an "unqualified" person became "leader" of one of this world's significant countries. The "internet generation" has a disadvantage due to the fact of sheer volume of information thrown at them. Time to sort fact from fiction is very limited, so it is often easier to go with the majority. I hear it often, "I have seen it on several websites now, it must be true". To stay with electronics, have a look at some of those "audiophool" websites. I saw a discussion where they stated a certain tube under discussion with a "D" shaped getter sounds wayyyyyy better than a tube with an "O" shaped getter. Someone even offered a scientific explanation involving electron clouds forming....... Anyway, my knees are starting to hurt, I have to get down of this soapbox before I die of old age.
Bill
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JohnK
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Manuel Azevedo
The thing is, I checked and I was convinced that Numitrons didn't have mercury - couldn't find any information they contain it.
I had other two DA2010 delivered last week via GSP without any issue. This is insane.
And such a rare tube - they just destroyed 6...
Nicholas Stock
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Manuel Azevedo
Well, waiting for an answer… but I don’t expect miracles.
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They're incandescent, so I'd be surprised if they contain Mercury!
That's a shame...asshats. You should complain vigorously to eBay.
On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Manuel Azevedo <azevedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just got "hit" by this GSP problem: 6 Apollo DA2010 "disposed off" because of dangerous mercury levels.
The thing is, I checked and I was convinced that Numitrons didn't have mercury - couldn't find any information they contain it.
I had other two DA2010 delivered last week via GSP without any issue. This is insane.
And such a rare tube - they just destroyed 6...
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Tomasz Kowalczyk
Manuel Azevedo
After searching around, I got the impression, from several post of others that got tubes destroyed by GSP, that Pitney Bowes sees the shinny getter surfaces as an indication of mercury. The Apollo and RCA numitrons are known for their beautiful shinny silver coating.
I'm not expecting an apology besides the standard text I got so far. I did vigorously complain, but it got the strength of another "anonymous" email that ebay/gsp get every other day: which is close to nothing, as they shield themselves in airline safety.
I wish that magazines like Wired would pickup on these stories and would expose how GSP is destroying these vintage pieces. I shudder to think that every time someone orders some IN-18 out of the US (might happen!) they can be destroyed this easily. And all could be easily done with some arbitration before destroying the pieces.
Manuel Azevedo
Tomasz Kowalczyk
Dekatron42
On Sunday, 20 August 2017 09:40:58 UTC+2, Manuel Azevedo wrote:
I wish that magazines like Wired would pickup on these stories and would expose how GSP is destroying these vintage pieces.
Manuel Azevedo
Manuel Azevedo
Actually, I did, explained to them, added some links, including this conversation. But I guess that they get so many other submissions. Only another one in the pile.
SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.
I know a friend that ordered a transmitting tube for nearly 1k$, a very old and rare one, like a museum piece... GSP disposed it.
Ian Vine
The sadest thing about this is that they just dump it... they should return it to the seller.. so the things would not end in the trash.
I know a friend that ordered a transmitting tube for nearly 1k$, a very old and rare one, like a museum piece... GSP disposed it.
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Manuel Azevedo
It’s really unbelievable. And I have three more items on GSP – two have already came through, have arrived in Switzerland, should be delivered tomorrow. A new set of tubes is still on its way to GSP and I hope they don’t get disposed of. I’ll stop making orders with GSP sales.
Oscilloclock
- Aaron
Oscilloclock
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Hi there!
I'm afraid I'm all CRT'ed up and won't be bidding, but I noticed that you were offering to ship via GSP. I just wanted to let you know that recently GSP's subcontractors have started 'safely disposing' of CRTs and Nixie tubes without the buyer or sellers' consent, on the usually misguided belief that these tubes contain dangerous substances. Refunds are given to buyers but I don't know if sellers are reimbursed.
I would urge you to not ship via GSP, but please please do continue to support us CRT collectors around the world by offering to ship via normal postal or courier services. My group of friends is devastated every time a rare tube is destroyed needlessly.
For recent examples of this please see:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/V3jzKzPs9aY/MqwCPg0qAwAJ
And
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/o1DLO2amf6g/mXW8bPJxCAAJ
Regards
Aaron
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Manuel Azevedo
When I asked once, they said: “We aren’t allowed to ship abroad because of shipping options”.
I never asked, but maybe it was something like this.
Well, I don’t really know, but I would hope that giving sellers some input on how frustrated users will be because of GSP and maybe some of them will ship using other carriers.
I still have two orders through GSP – one is stopped since the 21st in their centre – I’m starting to think it will not go through.
Nicholas Stock
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Roddy Scott
I have just had my first encounter with GSP when I checked my PayPal account and found a deduction to Pitney Bowes Inc for nearly a third of the value of the items I ordered from Canada for a clock build.
JohnK
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Roddy Scott
Manuel Azevedo
The most ridiculous thing about all of this is that I also add some RCA/Apollo 2010 tubes, exactly the same brand and model, sent via GSP and they passed OK: before and after they destroyed the package.
Also, as I mentioned, I had several packages going through GSP – the latest story was an 8971 Burroughs tube that arrived in Switzerland and got lost. Two weeks later seller asks me why did I return it – I said I didn’t, that GSP had failed to deliver. We asked GSP to deliver the package – they took additional 1,5 weeks to answer and they refunded me. Seller as since put the tube again on eBay and won’t sell for the same price I won the original auction… End result, lost a tube again… At least this one was not destroyed.