mason jar numitrons

[Paul Andrews]

Love this: https://youtu.be/JUFx7mmOjXw

[Dylan Distasio]

Very cool!  Is there any type of build log?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Paul Andrews <pa...@nixies.us> wrote:

Love this: https://youtu.be/JUFx7mmOjXw

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[jb-electronics]

Nice! Reminds me of these Fixie (read: fake Nixie) displays I saw a while ago: https://hackaday.io/project/1886-fixietube-fake-nixie-tube-displays

Cheers
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[Terry S]

I've seen the "filament" style LEDs in decorative bulbs and been intrigued about just such a project. 

Glad to see someone followed thru!

Terry

[Bill van Dijk]

Any idea if the wires can be soldered, or if they need to be spot welded?

 

Bill van Dijk

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[jb-electronics]

Also, does anybody know if these can be dimmed? I find them awfully bright. Jens

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[Mike Harrison]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:57:15 -0500, you wrote:

>Love this: https://youtu.be/JUFx7mmOjXw

very nice but pity about the Arduino.

>Any idea if the wires can be soldered, or if they need to be spot welded?

yes they are solderable

>Also, does anybody know if these can be dimmed? I find them awfully bright. Jens

Yes - you can run them at lower currents - you may start to get less uniform brightness at some
point, but you could PWM them

Typical spec is 55-60v forward voltage,. max current 10-15mA

[Mike Harrison]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:05:38 -0700, you wrote:

>Also, does anybody know if these can be dimmed? I find them awfully
>bright. Jens
>

Might look good in a heavily tinted glass.

"Clock in a bottle" might make an interesting challenge too...

[Tony Adams]

I did play with these about 3 years ago, since then shorter filament strips have become available for half-segments.

(my first attempt at attching a photo here).

[Bill van Dijk]

I suppose dimming would be done as with any LED, preferably by means of PWM?

 

Bill van Dijk

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[Dylan Distasio]

I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?

[Bill van Dijk]

I checked FleaBay, and I saw a lot of them advertised as 12V, 1W. 5 of them for around $2. Not too bad, worth ordering a few to play with.

Bill van Dijk

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[Bill van Dijk]

 

> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?

 

Ah, I’ll go out on a limb (BTW, “hate” is probably a bit strong), but from my perspective it’s an old phart thing. The Arduino is so hyped up, it reminds me of Harley Davidson motorcycle owners. They seem to think theirs is the only one, the best, nearing cult status. On FleaBay they even advertise things like capacitors as “for Arduino” just to get the hits. Yes, I’m an old phart, and I still like to do things the hard way. To me, building a project is, or at least should be, more than plugging in shields and loading prepared libraries. I like to understand what I build, and put it all together myself. I still use assembly language for smaller projects. Since the nixie community is very much about old technology I assume there are probably a few more who feel that way.

 

But each to his / her own……..

 

Bill van Dijk

 

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[Mike Harrison]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:46:28 -0500, you wrote:

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>
>> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?
>

It's not so much the Arduino ( though I don't have a lot of time for that, especially when it's the
first word of a project description), but the that you have this nice display with an ugly fat cable
going in to an ugly box.

[Dylan Distasio]

Sorry, my choice of the word hate was intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek.   I'm relatively tech agnostic in terms of projects, although as a relative latecomer, I cut my embedded teeth on the Arduino, so I'm somewhat partial to Atmel tech.  In the past though, I've done stuff on the Arduino, and then burned it directly onto a compatible Atmel 8-bit chip to place on a board.  I haven't actually done of my own PCBs yet though, so I'm still a piker.

Hats off for your use of assembly, I haven't done any assembly since my Commodore 64 days, but am hoping to get back into it at some point.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Bill van Dijk <theold...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?

 

Ah, I’ll go out on a limb (BTW, “hate” is probably a bit strong), but from my perspective it’s an old phart thing. The Arduino is so hyped up, it reminds me of Harley Davidson motorcycle owners. They seem to think theirs is the only one, the best, nearing cult status. On FleaBay they even advertise things like capacitors as “for Arduino” just to get the hits. Yes, I’m an old phart, and I still like to do things the hard way. To me, building a project is, or at least should be, more than plugging in shields and loading prepared libraries. I like to understand what I build, and put it all together myself. I still use assembly language for smaller projects. Since the nixie community is very much about old technology I assume there are probably a few more who feel that way.

 

But each to his / her own……..

 

Bill van Dijk

 

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I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?

 

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:13 PM, Mike Harrison <mi...@whitewing.co.uk> wrote:

very nice but pity about the Arduino.

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[Dylan Distasio]

Gotcha, I agree with you on the cosmetics of that project. 

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[jb-electronics]

I know what you mean. I don't like this plug-in mentality. If you want to believe Elon Musk, this is one of the major problems in automobile industry nowadays.

Cheers
Jens

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[Dan Hollis]

This is the same elitist attitude that continually hurts amateur radio.
All the old pharts offended by SDR and digital. Not to mention the
seething rage when the FCC dropped the requirement for morse code.

We should be accomodating to newbies in the hobby, not trying to drum them
out with better than thou nonsense.

-Dan

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, Bill van Dijk wrote:

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>> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?
>
>
>
> Ah, I’ll go out on a limb (BTW, “hate” is probably a bit strong), but from my perspective it’s an old phart thing. The Arduino is so hyped up, it reminds me of Harley Davidson motorcycle owners. They seem to think theirs is the only one, the best, nearing cult status. On FleaBay they even advertise things like capacitors as “for Arduino” just to get the hits. Yes, I’m an old phart, and I still like to do things the hard way. To me, building a project is, or at least should be, more than plugging in shields and loading prepared libraries. I like to understand what I build, and put it all together myself. I still use assembly language for smaller projects. Since the nixie community is very much about old technology I assume there are probably a few more who feel that way.
>
>
>
> But each to his / her own……..
>
>
>
> Bill van Dijk
>
>
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> From: neoni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dylan Distasio
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 12:28 PM
> To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: mason jar numitrons
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> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?
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> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:13 PM, Mike Harrison <mi...@whitewing.co.uk <mailto:mi...@whitewing.co.uk> > wrote:
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> very nice but pity about the Arduino.
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[Paul Andrews]

I agree. I see nothing wrong with using Arduinos - they opened hardware up to a huge audience, including me, and they continue to enable rapid prototyping. Perhaps we could carry on this 'discussion' in other threads, though I suspect it is a religious thing with no specific conclusion to be drawn.

In the meantime, it would be good to bring the thread back to the creativity shown in the video.

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 2:25:32 PM UTC-5, bani wrote:

This is the same elitist attitude that continually hurts amateur radio.
All the old pharts offended by SDR and digital. Not to mention the
seething rage when the FCC dropped the requirement for morse code.

We should be accomodating to newbies in the hobby, not trying to drum them
out with better than thou nonsense.

-Dan

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, Bill van Dijk wrote:

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>
>> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?
>
>
>
> Ah, I’ll go out on a limb (BTW, “hate” is probably a bit strong), but from my perspective it’s an old phart thing. The Arduino is so hyped up, it reminds me of Harley Davidson motorcycle owners. They seem to think theirs is the only one, the best, nearing cult status. On FleaBay they even advertise things like capacitors as “for Arduino” just to get the hits. Yes, I’m an old phart, and I still like to do things the hard way. To me, building a project is, or at least should be, more than plugging in shields and loading prepared libraries. I like to understand what I build, and put it all together myself. I still use assembly language for smaller projects. Since the nixie community is very much about old technology I assume there are probably a few more who feel that way.
>
>
>
> But each to his / her own……..
>
>
>
> Bill van Dijk
>
>
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> From: neoni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dylan Distasio
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 12:28 PM
> To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: mason jar numitrons
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>
>
> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?
>
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> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:13 PM, Mike Harrison <mi...@whitewing.co.uk <mailto:mi...@whitewing.co.uk> > wrote:
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>
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> very nice but pity about the Arduino.
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[gregebert]

I generally agree on the 'good old stuff', but I make an exception for the wireless Raspberry Pi. You literally get a full-blown Linux environment that; put inside the case and never need to plug-in a cable, or open it up to make enhancements. Just login remotely, recompile, and reboot. You dont even need to set the time; it's automatic (as long as  internet service is alive..)

I do plan to retrofit 2 of my other clocks currently with FPGA's to run on Pi's.....someday

[John Smout]

On 23 Jan 2018, at 19:54, Paul Andrews <pa...@nixies.us> wrote:
>
> I agree. I see nothing wrong with using Arduinos - they opened hardware up to a huge audience, including me, and they continue to enable rapid prototyping. Perhaps we could carry on this 'discussion' in other threads, though I suspect it is a religious thing with no specific conclusion to be drawn.

I do agree with you Paul. The Arduino seems to be a religious icon with little reason to be so in fact or reality. We could discuss this elsewhere, or we could discuss it here.

Why not just find a chip that one thinks one can deal with and program the son-of-uncertain-parenthood up? I just don’t get the let-me-totally-depend-on-someone-else’s-library thing. But I do understand, as Oscar Wilde pointed out, that "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”

Enquiries I get regularly are predominantly along the lines of ‘Hi, I really like it! Can you give me your code and tell me exactly how to build one?’ or 'Hi, your idea was really great but I have a much better one that does something very different which I am sure, given your ability, will not take you long at all to code and send to me and I will of course tell everyone you did it for me and it will make you look really cool, because my idea is so amazing!’

Nooo!

Yours admitting to a great deal of age-related flatulence,

John S

[Paul Andrews]

I’ll start a new thread!

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[Bill van Dijk]

I had recently one of my projects (a numitron clock) featured in Nuts & Volts:

 

http://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/September2016_Numitron-LED-Clock

 

this project was entirely done in assembly.

 

Bill van Dijk

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dylan Distasio
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 12:57 PM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: mason jar numitrons

 

Sorry, my choice of the word hate was intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek.   I'm relatively tech agnostic in terms of projects, although as a relative latecomer, I cut my embedded teeth on the Arduino, so I'm somewhat partial to Atmel tech.  In the past though, I've done stuff on the Arduino, and then burned it directly onto a compatible Atmel 8-bit chip to place on a board.  I haven't actually done of my own PCBs yet though, so I'm still a piker.

 

Hats off for your use of assembly, I haven't done any assembly since my Commodore 64 days, but am hoping to get back into it at some point.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Bill van Dijk <theold...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?

 

Ah, I’ll go out on a limb (BTW, “hate” is probably a bit strong), but from my perspective it’s an old phart thing. The Arduino is so hyped up, it reminds me of Harley Davidson motorcycle owners. They seem to think theirs is the only one, the best, nearing cult status. On FleaBay they even advertise things like capacitors as “for Arduino” just to get the hits. Yes, I’m an old phart, and I still like to do things the hard way. To me, building a project is, or at least should be, more than plugging in shields and loading prepared libraries. I like to understand what I build, and put it all together myself. I still use assembly language for smaller projects. Since the nixie community is very much about old technology I assume there are probably a few more who feel that way.

 

But each to his / her own……..

 

Bill van Dijk

 

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dylan Distasio
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 12:28 PM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: mason jar numitrons

 

I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?

 

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:13 PM, Mike Harrison <mi...@whitewing.co.uk> wrote:

very nice but pity about the Arduino.

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[Bill van Dijk]

I hope I misunderstood, but elitist attitude?? That's a bit harsh regarding what I said. I did finish my 'rant' with the statement each to his / her own. I meant that. I did nothing more than voice a point of view without personal judgement. Why go there?

Bill van Dijk

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From: neoni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Hollis
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Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] Re: mason jar numitrons

This is the same elitist attitude that continually hurts amateur radio.
All the old pharts offended by SDR and digital. Not to mention the seething rage when the FCC dropped the requirement for morse code.

We should be accomodating to newbies in the hobby, not trying to drum them out with better than thou nonsense.

-Dan

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, Bill van Dijk wrote:

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>
>> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?
>
>
>

> Ah, I’ll go out on a limb (BTW, “hate†is probably a bit strong), but from my perspective it’s an old phart thing. The Arduino is so hyped up, it reminds me of Harley Davidson motorcycle owners. They seem to think theirs is the only one, the best, nearing cult status. On FleaBay they even advertise things like capacitors as “for Arduino†just to get the hits. Yes, I’m an old phart, and I still like to do things the hard way. To me, building a project is, or at least should be, more than plugging in shields and loading prepared libraries. I like to understand what I build, and put it all together myself. I still use assembly language for smaller projects. Since the nixie community is very much about old technology I assume there are probably a few more who feel that way.
>
>
>
> But each to his / her own……..

[Mark Moulding]

I built some huge fake "Nixie" tubes for a Burning Man project using empty two-liter plastic soda-pop bottles, with the digits formed using EL (electro-luminescent) wire.  EL wire need about 100 volts or so, but AC at around 1 kHz.  The frequency can be critical to get good brightness, and also significantly affects the life (although this was only for a two-week project, so I didn't care much).

I ended up making a software-controlled inverter power supply, then using sensitive-gate high-voltage SCRs to switch the excitation voltage to the various digits.  They looked great at night (but were invisible in daylight - a fundamental problem with EL wire).  The trickiest part was threading the digits (which were supported on coat-hanger wire) through the necks of the bottles; I cheated a bit by cutting a slit on the back side.

~~
Mark Moulding

[alb.001 alb.001]

I agree about building and programming your own project.     I went to a local "makers-fair"  where a bunch of young people buy various modules and plug them together.  Yes they get a working product but they have no clue how to manufacture any one of the modules they use. This is a charming start for young people but they never hold a soldering iron or design and make their own boards or look at component specs and buy their own components.    Just not the old school electronics I grew up with.

mtcw  regards Phil  

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From: Bill van Dijk <theold...@gmail.com>
Date: January 23, 2018 at 12:46 PM

 

> I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?

 

Ah, I’ll go out on a limb (BTW, “hate” is probably a bit strong), but from my perspective it’s an old phart thing. The Arduino is so hyped up, it reminds me of Harley Davidson motorcycle owners. They seem to think theirs is the only one, the best, nearing cult status. On FleaBay they even advertise things like capacitors as “for Arduino” just to get the hits. Yes, I’m an old phart, and I still like to do things the hard way. To me, building a project is, or at least should be, more than plugging in shields and loading prepared libraries. I like to understand what I build, and put it all together myself. I still use assembly language for smaller projects. Since the nixie community is very much about old technology I assume there are probably a few more who feel that way.

 

But each to his / her own........

 

Bill van Dijk

 

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dylan Distasio
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 12:28 PM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: mason jar numitrons

 

I realize the Arduino makes an easy target, but why the hate?

 

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:13 PM, Mike Harrison <mi...@whitewing.co.uk> wrote:

very nice but pity about the Arduino.

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