gnus --> mu4e/notmuch

[Gour]

Hello,

At the moment I use Gnus (after leaving claws-mail) and all the features
I need work except that I'd like more powerful search capabilities, so
instead of e.g. adding mairix to my setup I'm considering altenatives
like mu4e/notmuch, especially considering that Gnus is complex and not
easy to configure.

Let me list my required features:

1) multiple accounts (mostly non-Gmail ones, although I have two spare
Gmail accounts) and posting via msmtp uisng different identities/SMTP
servers as well as gpg keys

2) IMAP access to the server when I (ocassionally) need access to email
via Android phone (K-9)

3) tagging/training spam/ham via bogofilter

4) orgmode integration

Based on the reading I did so far, my conclusion is that:

1) is possible, although not sure how much tweaking is required

2) if one use offlineimap instead of getmail, then it should be possible
to access IMAP mail server with another (K-9) client, right?

3) could not find aynthing in regard except that there is 'experimental
emacs email interface for Notmuch' called Nevermore. Any hint?

4) there is, afaict, orgmode intergration and I wonder what is
recommended way to handle mail contacts (addressbook)?

I'm considering that it would be wonderful to have something which is
syncable with ownCloud server (webdav), so any pointer is welcome?

I did install notmuch on my openSUSE Tumbleweed, but there is no package
for my distro and attempt to build from the source after invoking
'autoeconf -i' gives:

configure.ac:26: warning: macro 'AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
configure.ac:41: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
See the Autoconf documentation.
autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1

It was long ago when I was fiddling with autoconf and building from the
src, so any advice is helpful?

Last, but not the least, I also wonder about the size of notmuch vs
mu(4e) communities seeing that both projects are active?

Any other point which I haven't considered?

At the moment most of the mailing lists which I follow I do via gmane
and in #notmuch I got info that there *might* be some packages available
to fetch news/nntp into Maildir, but it's not crucial since I do not
have use for nntp besides gmane gateway for mailing lists.


Sincerely,
Gour


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[Tamas Papp]

Hi,

Speaking of mu4e only,

1) multiple accounts work fine,

2) IMAP would be better than POP3 anyway, and I would recommend mbsync
instead of offlineimap, as the latter is abandonned and has a few bugs,

3) I guess you should be able to feed messages to bogofilter (to train
using false positives/negatives) directly from mu4e with a bit of Emacs
Lisp,

4) I don't know what you mean here. Address completion works fine
independently of org-mode. Authoring rich text messages in org-mode was
a feature, but now it is deprecated, see:
http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e/Rich_002dtext-messages-with-org_002dmode.html

I don't know what you would need notmuch for, in addition to mu4e.

Best,

Tamas

[Gour]

Tamas Papp <tkp...@gmail.com> writes:

> 1) multiple accounts work fine,

Using msmtp?

> 2) IMAP would be better than POP3 anyway, and I would recommend mbsync
> instead of offlineimap, as the latter is abandonned and has a few bugs,

Offlineimap abandoned? That's new to me. I thought it was re-vived some
time ago...

> 3) I guess you should be able to feed messages to bogofilter (to train
> using false positives/negatives) directly from mu4e with a bit of Emacs
> Lisp,

OK.

> 4) I don't know what you mean here.

Ability to creat org-links from withing mu4e.

> Address completion works fine independently of org-mode.

Nice.

> Authoring rich text messages in org-mode was a feature, but now it is
> deprecated,

I'm not interested in HTML mail.

> I don't know what you would need notmuch for, in addition to mu4e.

Well, I'm thinking about only of them, but investigating which one is
more suitable. ;)


Sincerely,
Gour

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[Tamas Papp]

On Thu, Mar 19 2015, Gour <go...@atmarama.net> wrote:

> Tamas Papp <tkp...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> 1) multiple accounts work fine,
>
> Using msmtp?

Yes, or offlineimap.

>> 2) IMAP would be better than POP3 anyway, and I would recommend mbsync
>> instead of offlineimap, as the latter is abandonned and has a few bugs,
>
> Offlineimap abandoned? That's new to me. I thought it was re-vived some
> time ago...

I did not know about that, it looks like it's alive but still has tons
of unfixed issues --- maybe that will improve. In any case, I find msmtp
functionally equivalent and a bit faster.

>> 4) I don't know what you mean here.
>
> Ability to creat org-links from withing mu4e.

That works fine, see
http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e/Creating-org_002dmode-links.html#Creating-org_002dmode-links

Best,

Tamas

[Dirk-Jan C. Binnema]

On Thursday Mar 19 2015, Gour wrote:

> Hello,
>
> At the moment I use Gnus (after leaving claws-mail) and all the features
> I need work except that I'd like more powerful search capabilities, so
> instead of e.g. adding mairix to my setup I'm considering altenatives
> like mu4e/notmuch, especially considering that Gnus is complex and not
> easy to configure.
>
> Let me list my required features:
>
> 1) multiple accounts (mostly non-Gmail ones, although I have two spare
> Gmail accounts) and posting via msmtp uisng different identities/SMTP
> servers as well as gpg keys

Quite a few people are using that with mu4e, though it's not really part
of mu4e; there are examples of how to set it up in the documentation.

> 2) IMAP access to the server when I (ocassionally) need access to email
> via Android phone (K-9)
>
> 3) tagging/training spam/ham via bogofilter

mu4e supports arbitrary (programmable) actions on messages, so it's
certainly possible to do that. Don't if anybody has.

> 4) orgmode integration

You can make org-links to messages and queries.

>
> I'm considering that it would be wonderful to have something which is
> syncable with ownCloud server (webdav), so any pointer is welcome?

Not too familiar with that, but mu/mu4e uses Maildir, ie. one file per
message, so it's quite easy to synchronize (using rsync

> I did install notmuch on my openSUSE Tumbleweed, but there is no package
> for my distro and attempt to build from the source after invoking
> 'autoeconf -i' gives:
>
> configure.ac:26: warning: macro 'AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
> configure.ac:41: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
> If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
> See the Autoconf documentation.
> autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
>
> It was long ago when I was fiddling with autoconf and building from the
> src, so any advice is helpful?

Install libtool?

> Last, but not the least, I also wonder about the size of notmuch vs
> mu(4e) communities seeing that both projects are active?

No idea about the size of the mu4e community... or the notmuch community
for that matter. But note that both (and many others) are using the same
backend for messages, so you can easily switch between them or even use
both.

In any case, I'd just play a bit of both, and see which you like better.

Cheers,
Dirk.

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[Ken Mankoff]

On 2015-03-19 at 09:12, Tamas Papp <tkp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 4) Authoring rich text messages in org-mode was a feature, but now it
> is deprecated, see:
> http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e/Rich_002dtext-messages-with-org_002dmode.HTML

Works for me. See instructions and comments here:
http://vxlabs.com/2015/01/28/sending-emails-with-math-and-source-code/

-k.

[Tamas Papp]

Thanks. Now I am confused; the manual says it is deprecated but it looks
like it is actively maintained again?

Best,

Tamas

[Gour]

Tamas Papp <tkp...@gmail.com> writes:

>> Using msmtp?
>
> Yes, or offlineimap.

Offlineimap can be used for sending mail?

> In any case, I find msmtp functionally equivalent and a bit faster.

Ahh, it seems you've mixed msmtp with mbsync. ;)


Sincerely,
Gour

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[Gour]

Dirk-Jan C. Binnema <dj...@djcbsoftware.nl> writes:

> Quite a few people are using that with mu4e, though it's not really part
> of mu4e; there are examples of how to set it up in the documentation.

OK, will take a look.

> Install libtool?

Yep, that fixed it. I simply took for granted that it's installed on my
machine.

> In any case, I'd just play a bit of both, and see which you like better.

Now I've both installed and it like mu4e, but will explore more trying
all the features I need.


Sincerely,
Gour

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[Gour]

Dirk-Jan C. Binnema <dj...@djcbsoftware.nl> writes:

> Not too familiar with that, but mu/mu4e uses Maildir, ie. one file per
> message, so it's quite easy to synchronize (using rsync

What about handling contacts itself?

I was thinking about org-contacts, but, iirc (maybe read in list's
archive), mu4e has its own contact handling?

Can it be used as 'general' contact manager?


Sincerely,
Gour

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nature, one must certainly withdraw it and bring it back under
the control of the self.

[Tamas Papp]

On Thu, Mar 19 2015, Gour <go...@atmarama.net> wrote:

Indeed -- sorry for the confusion.

I course I use msmtp for sending mail, and I meant mbsync above.

Best,

Tamas

[Joost Kremers]

On Thu, Mar 19 2015, Tamas Papp <tkp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2) IMAP would be better than POP3 anyway, and I would recommend mbsync
> instead of offlineimap, as the latter is abandonned and has a few bugs,

I'm a lurker on the offlineimap mailing list and get several messages a
day from it, mainly from devs discussing, well, dev stuff. Latest
release is from May 2014, latest rc for the next release is from January
2015. So I'd say it hasn't been abandoned. :-)


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