Re: TB 3.1.9 Rewrap deletes spaces
Dudley Brooks
> Followup changed to protect...whatever...
>
> On 05/11/11 09:24, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> Dudley Brooks wrote:
>>
>>> A mini-issue, only important to pedants like me: Rewrap changes my
>>> correct period-plus-two-spaces (or same with question mark or
>>> exclamation mark) to the incorrect period-plus-one-space. Is there
>>> any way to keep it from doing this? And it's not just pedantry;
>>> paragraphs with two spaces between sentences are *much* easier to
>>> read. (OT: Facebook does this too.)
>>
>> My thoughts on period-two-spaces, questionmark-two-spaces it that
>> formatting style is a remnant of the typewriter era. I stopped using
>> same about the time I started using word processors years ago.
>
> Sellout! It's simply WRONG to end a sentence with a single space. TB
> should really NOT make substantive changes to one's writing without
> asking. I can choose to check spelling or not, the same should go with
> spacing.
>
>> And if you are composing in HTML, do note that it is a standard of
>> rendered HTML that two-, or three-, or more spaces in a row are
>> collapsed to a single space for display. I think this is what you see.
>> And why Facebook (HTML composition) removes multiple spaces.
>
> ALWAYS pedantic, unless I make an error; then I'm being frivolous.
>
> Sorry, I just watched 'History Boys'. The effect lingers.
Ah, a pedant (pedante? pedantin? pedantette?) after my own heart!
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Terry R.
> I stopped using two after end-of-sentence a long time ago {I forget now
> the reason for this decision?}. Anyway, not willing to let an old thread
> die just yet, here's a recent article on the matter:
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2281146
>
When I compose an HTML page, I always make sure there are two spaces
after an end of thought. I do a search and replace to get it done
quickly, replacing ". " to ". " for anything that should have two.
I know because of proportional fonts most feel it doesn't matter any
longer. I'm sure it's only an issue for those of us who learned typing
in school. Best way to beat TB from doing it is compose and send in
plain text.
I can barely put up with the text type of people today, when they're NOT
texting. I'm thankful my Palm Pre capitalizes and adds apostrophes most
of the time. And I have a physical keyboard to do it on.
Terry R.
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Terry R.
> I refuse to any text message my kids, or anyone else, send me. I mean,
> really, who would send anything but the most banal message using text-speak?
>
I know. I will send a text stating, "On my way" rather than place a
call to interrupt them. But some go on and on. Another feature of my
Pre I like, that it prefaces long text with a (1/2), on the occasional
times I have to send lengthy info to someone.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> I stopped using two after end-of-sentence a long time ago {I forget
> now the reason for this decision?}. Anyway, not willing to let an old
> thread die just yet, here's a recent article on the matter:
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2281146
Hey, thanks for finding that link. It's wot I remember from 20-30 years
ago. 1950s high school typewriters[1] were fat ugly things with the
Courier font, so add an extra space. Not so since the era of computers
and printers began. :-)
[1. I took typing (11th grade, 1957) because the class was filled with
gurls! And ever since I'm glad I did, for both the gurls and 60WPM.]
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Terry R.
> If I were to initiate a text message, I would be flooded with one's from
> them constantly. My thought, "Best leave sleeping dogs lie." :) Mostly,
> I rely on Facebook for inter-family communcations.
>
Our oldest daughter sends us a text photo almost every day of our 5
month old granddaughter. I would rather get it quickly than have to log
on to FB. I send it to my email and save it locally.
Terry R.
the keyboard
> Sailfish wrote:
Absolutely, the chicks were the reason. But I actually took something
away from it, and more than just dates. ;-)
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> [1. I took typing (11th grade, 1957) because the class was filled with
>> gurls! And ever since I'm glad I did, for both the gurls and 60WPM.]
>
> Absolutely, the chicks were the reason. But I actually took something
> away from it, and more than just dates. ;-)
More, as stated above: 60WPM - to this day. :-)
One of those gurls became my goin'-steady-gurl for the next three years.
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W3BNR
> I stopped using two after end-of-sentence a long time ago {I forget now
> the reason for this decision?}. Anyway, not willing to let an old thread
> die just yet, here's a recent article on the matter:
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2281146
>
And I, being of the old school, will continue to use two spaces after
a period. It makes for easier reading.
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Terry R.
the keyboard
> Terry R. wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> [1. I took typing (11th grade, 1957) because the class was filled with
>>> gurls! And ever since I'm glad I did, for both the gurls and 60WPM.]
>> Absolutely, the chicks were the reason. But I actually took something
>> away from it, and more than just dates. ;-)
>
> More, as stated above: 60WPM - to this day. :-)
>
> One of those gurls became my goin'-steady-gurl for the next three years.
>
Back in Jr/High school, steady for me was a week. ;-)
Ron Hunter
read a sentence with only one space after the period than it is with
two. How it is entered is not material, how it LOOKS is.
Ron Hunter
Ron Hunter
> On 5/12/2011 12:59 PM Sailfish wrote:
>
>> I stopped using two after end-of-sentence a long time ago {I forget now
>> the reason for this decision?}. Anyway, not willing to let an old thread
>> die just yet, here's a recent article on the matter:
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/id/2281146
>>
>
> And I, being of the old school, will continue to use two spaces after
> a period. It makes for easier reading.
>
>
provides a better break.
Dudley Brooks
The writer of that article missed one point: Typographers *did* use one
space between sentences, but it was one EM-space, wider than the
EN-space they used between words. (Learned that in Junior High School
printshop.)
I envy you the fruits of you typing class. All I got from it was the
ability to type ... which didn't help when it came to gurls.
The Real Bev
> Terry R. wrote:
>>
>> I can barely put up with the text type of people today, when they're NOT
>> texting. I'm thankful my Palm Pre capitalizes and adds apostrophes most
>> of the time. And I have a physical keyboard to do it on.
>>
> I refuse to any text message my kids, or anyone else, send me. I mean,
> really, who would send anything but the most banal message using text-speak?
My grandspawn read their phones more frequently than they do their
email, so I just send messages to their phones from my computer and
their responses come back to my computer. I've tried composing text
messages on my phone and I hate it. Their responses are generally
ungrammatical and misspelled, even considering the usual abbreviations.
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Ron Hunter
> On 05/12/11 10:19, Sailfish wrote:
>
>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>
>>> I can barely put up with the text type of people today, when they're NOT
>>> texting. I'm thankful my Palm Pre capitalizes and adds apostrophes most
>>> of the time. And I have a physical keyboard to do it on.
>>>
>> I refuse to any text message my kids, or anyone else, send me. I mean,
>> really, who would send anything but the most banal message using
>> text-speak?
>
> My grandspawn read their phones more frequently than they do their
> email, so I just send messages to their phones from my computer and
> their responses come back to my computer. I've tried composing text
> messages on my phone and I hate it. Their responses are generally
> ungrammatical and misspelled, even considering the usual abbreviations.
>
an email from a teacher I subbed for that was composed on her iPhone.
It was about 1/2 page of text containing my lesson plan for the day.
When I talked to her later, she said it took most of the time she spent
riding back from Houston (300 miles) to compose it without too many errors!
I find the two-thumb method totally useless for me.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Observing people walking and texting in Wal-Mart can be quite hilarious.
They run into things, other people and so on. I was waiting for my wife
one day at a Wal-Mart when I noticed this gal - mid 30's - looking down
at her phone texting. She ran right into a basket, both basket and
texter hit the pavement. She got up, didn't bother to dust herself off,
continued walking and texting as if nothing happened. The basket wasn't
impressed. :-D
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Terry R.
Yes. Via SMS...
Ron Hunter
DRIVING while texting?
Ron Hunter
MMS message?
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Yah, cringe at the prospect of being rear-ended for a third time by one
of those.
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Ed Mullen
I learned touch typing around 47 years ago. I don't think about it, my
hands just do it. "Period space space" is simply automatic to me. At
61 it ain't likely to change anytime soon. ;-)
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Thomas Edison
Ron Hunter
>
It would have to be a pretty simple picture.
The Real Bev
> On 5/13/2011 11:04 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>> Terry R. wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2011 2:28 PM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard
>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:18 PM, Terry R. wrote:
>>>>> On 5/12/2011 10:45 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>> Our oldest daughter sends us a text photo almost every day of our 5
>>>>> month old granddaughter. I would rather get it quickly than have to log
>>>>> on to FB. I send it to my email and save it locally.
Picasa is about as convenient as it's possible to get, and provides a
photo-editing tool that does all the SIMPLE stuff you want to do.
>>>> A text photo? What?
>>>
>>> Yes. Via SMS...
>>>
>> Ascii Art lives!
>>
> It would have to be a pretty simple picture.
Not necessarily. When dot-matrix printers became common our bank
offered free ascii-art portraits. They were roughly life size and
easily recognizable.
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Ron Hunter
> On 05/13/11 14:27, Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> On 5/13/2011 11:04 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2011 2:28 PM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:18 PM, Terry R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 10:45 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our oldest daughter sends us a text photo almost every day of our 5
>>>>>> month old granddaughter. I would rather get it quickly than have
>>>>>> to log
>>>>>> on to FB. I send it to my email and save it locally.
>
Just save it to your computer from Facebook. I do this all the time.
> Picasa is about as convenient as it's possible to get, and provides a
> photo-editing tool that does all the SIMPLE stuff you want to do.
>
Never could get around Picasa wanting to catalog every image on my HD.
Ron Hunter
> On 05/13/11 14:27, Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> On 5/13/2011 11:04 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2011 2:28 PM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:18 PM, Terry R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 10:45 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our oldest daughter sends us a text photo almost every day of our 5
>>>>>> month old granddaughter. I would rather get it quickly than have
>>>>>> to log
>>>>>> on to FB. I send it to my email and save it locally.
>
> Picasa is about as convenient as it's possible to get, and provides a
> photo-editing tool that does all the SIMPLE stuff you want to do.
>
>>>>> A text photo? What?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Via SMS...
>>>>
>>> Ascii Art lives!
>>>
>> It would have to be a pretty simple picture.
>
> Not necessarily. When dot-matrix printers became common our bank offered
> free ascii-art portraits. They were roughly life size and easily
> recognizable.
>
The Real Bev
> On 5/13/2011 6:00 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 05/13/11 14:27, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2011 11:04 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>>> On 5/12/2011 2:28 PM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the
>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>> On 5/12/2011 1:18 PM, Terry R. wrote:
>>>>>>> Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our oldest daughter sends us a text photo almost every
>>>>>>> day of our 5 month old granddaughter. I would rather get
>>>>>>> it quickly than have to log on to FB. I send it to my
>>>>>>> email and save it locally.
>
> Just save it to your computer from Facebook. I do this all the
> time.
>
>> Picasa is about as convenient as it's possible to get, and provides
>> a photo-editing tool that does all the SIMPLE stuff you want to
>> do.
>
> Never could get around Picasa wanting to catalog every image on my
> HD.
I tell it to check only certain subdirectories. I can't remember if I
was able to stop it from searching the entire HD the first time, but
once you set up the list it does only what you want. Only real problem
is the slider, which acts like a gas pedal rather than a slider.
I used to use XV to edit my photos (Gimp is WAYYY overkill). Picasa is
better.
>>>>>> A text photo? What?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Via SMS...
>>>>>
>>>> Ascii Art lives!
>>>>
>>> It would have to be a pretty simple picture.
>>
>> Not necessarily. When dot-matrix printers became common our bank
>> offered free ascii-art portraits. They were roughly life size and
>> easily recognizable.
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Dennis
> On 05/13/11 18:17, Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> On 5/13/2011 6:00 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 05/13/11 14:27, Ron Hunter wrote:
[...]
>>> Picasa is about as convenient as it's possible to get, and provides
>>> a photo-editing tool that does all the SIMPLE stuff you want to
>>> do.
>>
>> Never could get around Picasa wanting to catalog every image on my
>> HD.
>
> I tell it to check only certain subdirectories. I can't remember if I
> was able to stop it from searching the entire HD the first time, but
> once you set up the list it does only what you want. Only real problem
> is the slider, which acts like a gas pedal rather than a slider.
>
> I used to use XV to edit my photos (Gimp is WAYYY overkill). Picasa is
> better.
>
[...]
Have you tried Digikam? Lot of good things about it. May be overkill for
you but it acts sorta like Picasa (iirc). It will import from scanner
too but depending on which scanner software you are using may not do all
you want.
Digikam will import/export all kinds of stuff.
Dennis
Ron Hunter
And free, of course.
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 05/13/11 18:17, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2011 6:00 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>>>> Picasa is about as convenient as it's possible to get, and provides
>>>> a photo-editing tool that does all the SIMPLE stuff you want to
>>>> do.
>>>
>>> Never could get around Picasa wanting to catalog every image on my
>>> HD.
>>
>> I tell it to check only certain subdirectories. I can't remember if I
>> was able to stop it from searching the entire HD the first time, but
>> once you set up the list it does only what you want. Only real problem
>> is the slider, which acts like a gas pedal rather than a slider.
>>
>> I used to use XV to edit my photos (Gimp is WAYYY overkill). Picasa is
>> better.
>
> Have you tried Digikam? Lot of good things about it. May be overkill for
> you but it acts sorta like Picasa (iirc). It will import from scanner
> too but depending on which scanner software you are using may not do all
> you want.
Interesting, but requires a lot of libraries which I don't have and
which will probably lead me down the ever-expanding path of needing more
and more AND MORE libraries...
> Digikam will import/export all kinds of stuff.
Just reading the SD card is faster than anything else and no big
problem. Canon hates linux, so I have to scan into windows and then pass
the file to my linux machine.
You encouraged me to look at gimp again -- mostly what I want to do is
correct the perspective when I use wide angle, which is most of the
time. Turns out it's easy enough to do and saves the exif data.
Lazy R Us!
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The Real Bev
> On 5/13/2011 9:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> I used to use XV to edit my photos (Gimp is WAYYY overkill). Picasa is
>> better.
>>
> I find Irfanview to be the best overall. Simple, fast, and powerful.
> And free, of course.
Yes, definitely. I wish Irfan used linux!
Ron Hunter
> On 05/14/11 00:20, Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> On 5/13/2011 9:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>> I used to use XV to edit my photos (Gimp is WAYYY overkill). Picasa is
>>> better.
>>>
>> I find Irfanview to be the best overall. Simple, fast, and powerful.
>> And free, of course.
>
> Yes, definitely. I wish Irfan used linux!
>
W3BNR
> On 05/14/11 00:20, Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> On 5/13/2011 9:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>> I used to use XV to edit my photos (Gimp is WAYYY overkill). Picasa is
>>> better.
>>>
>> I find Irfanview to be the best overall. Simple, fast, and powerful.
>> And free, of course.
>
> Yes, definitely. I wish Irfan used linux!
>
I use Irfanview and also software from Fastone
http://www.faststone.org/download.htm
But, along withe 'The Real Bev' I wish that these were available for Linux.
My desk computer is WinXP and my laptop is Linux Mint.
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The Real Bev
> My bloviated meandering follows what The Real Bev graced us with on
> 5/13/2011 7:21 PM:
> http://www.picnik.com is good for light editing and is web-based.
> Probably doesn't keep the EXIF data, though?
I used it once. Cumbersome, suitable only for last-minute touchups. I
edit with picasa, export to 1600xwhatever and upload those to the picasa
website. Since realizing that gimp is pretty easy to use to fix
wide-angle perspective distortion (actually, you WANT to distort it --
the camera recorded what it saw!) I'll make that an intermediate step.
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