Tabzilla static

[Schalk Neethling]

Hey All,

As some might have noticed, there is a new version of Tabzilla. This one is
a static ribbon, much in the vein of the Github ribbon, and is the one that
should be used across Mozilla related sites going forward.

You can read more in the bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1151579

And read the details of using it:
https://github.com/mozilla/tabzilla/

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Kind Regards,
Schalk Neethling
Senior Front-End Engineer
Mozilla ::-::

[Mathieu Agopian]

So, all Mozilla websites should use this instead? I'm asking for
https://addons.mozilla.org

I wasn't aware of that, should I be subscribed to another mailing list
or something, or is this email the "official announcement"?

I've created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1187790 for this.

regards

Mathieu

[Emin Mastizada]

Last one was better, because of opening menu. New one is just link to
different website. The only problem was cache.

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[Alexander Gibson]

I believe the decision was made after research showed that less than 0.5%
of visitors actually opened the old menu. And most of those 0.5% didn't
actually click one of the links after opening, they just closed the tab
again.

There may be some more functionality added to this simplified version in
the future (some kind of message system for example), but this is a bit
further down the line.

[Schalk Neethling]

Yes, I would say that all Mozilla websites should be switching to this.

Also as Alex mentioned, there will be more functionality added to the
current static version but, that work is still to be defined. Whenever it
lands though, a mail will be sent out to announce it.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Alexander Gibson <agi...@mozilla.com>
wrote:

[Kadir Topal]

So, if most of those 0.5% didn’t even click on anything in the menu, wouldn’t it be more prudent to get rid of that menu? Before, it was just a tiny annoyance to click that menu away, now they are moved to another website altogether.

I couldn’t find the owner of Tabzilla, is that you, Schalk? I’d love to talk to someone to understand this change better and see what’s coming up next.

—Kadir

[Schalk Neethling]

Hey Kadir,

I am not the project owner no, that would be Jennifer Bertsch I believe.

[Alexander Gibson]

Design wise, it is still a part of the overall visual identify for our
websites. Like Schalk mentioned, there are more things being planned for
the future which will be communicated.

[Axel Hecht]

Technically, now that tabzilla isn't a hosted solution no more, there
will be only limited options for getting more things actually deployed,
at least outside of the www.mozilla.org domain.

Which might be a feature.

Axel

[Luke Crouch]

I'd also like to know how to subscribe to the new tabzilla releases, since
it won't be auto-served anymore. Either a new mailing list, or use the
"Releases" feature of GitHub, or something?

-L

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Axel Hecht <l1...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> Technically, now that tabzilla isn't a hosted solution no more, there will
> be only limited options for getting more things actually deployed, at least
> outside of the www.mozilla.org domain.
>
> Which might be a feature.
>
> Axel
>
> On 7/27/15 2:54 PM, Alexander Gibson wrote:
>

[Schalk Neethling]

There will definitely be releases on Github so, following that will work.
Also, new releases will be communicated via this list.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Luke Crouch <lcr...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> I'd also like to know how to subscribe to the new tabzilla releases, since
> it won't be auto-served anymore. Either a new mailing list, or use the
> "Releases" feature of GitHub, or something?
>
> -L
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Axel Hecht <l1...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
>> Technically, now that tabzilla isn't a hosted solution no more, there
>> will be only limited options for getting more things actually deployed, at
>> least outside of the www.mozilla.org domain.
>>
>> Which might be a feature.
>>
>> Axel
>>
>> On 7/27/15 2:54 PM, Alexander Gibson wrote:
>>

[Peter Bengtsson]

Got any sites using it yet?

I too would be very interested in what the link would lead to.

The only other big company I could find that uses a thing like this is
Adobe and they simply link it to www.adobe.com.

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Schalk Neethling <sneet...@mozilla.com>
wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> As some might have noticed, there is a new version of Tabzilla. This one is
> a static ribbon, much in the vein of the Github ribbon, and is the one that
> should be used across Mozilla related sites going forward.
>
> You can read more in the bug:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1151579
>
> And read the details of using it:
> https://github.com/mozilla/tabzilla/
>

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> Schalk Neethling
> Senior Front-End Engineer
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[Alexander Gibson]

It's currently in use on some newer mozilla.org pages (being rolled out
site-wide currently), but you can see an example here:

https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/products/

The link just leads to the mozilla.org homepage. There are also screenshots
and a demo example in the tabzilla repo.

https://github.com/mozilla/tabzilla


On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Peter Bengtsson <pbeng...@mozilla.com>
wrote:

[Schalk Neethling]

I believe the l10n site will also very soon be using it, as it has been
added and deployed to dev and staging.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Alexander Gibson <agi...@mozilla.com>
wrote:

[Stephanie Hobson]

So, we're already manually including Open Sans on MDN, but we're manually
including it from the CDN. Do we need to start hosting it locally? Are
those files going to go away?

Thanks,
Stephanie.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Schalk Neethling <sneet...@mozilla.com>

[Paul McLanahan]

On Jul 28, 2015 7:47 PM, "Stephanie Hobson" <sho...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> So, we're already manually including Open Sans on MDN, but we're manually
> including it from the CDN. Do we need to start hosting it locally? Are
> those files going to go away?

We have no plans to remove those files. MozOrg still uses them from that
location as well.

- pmac

[Schalk Neethling]

Good question Stephanie, and as pmac indicated, you can still safely
include the fonts from the CDN. I have updated the Tabzilla docs to make
this clearer. Thanks!

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Stephanie Hobson <sho...@mozilla.com>

wrote:

> So, we're already manually including Open Sans on MDN, but we're manually
> including it from the CDN. Do we need to start hosting it locally? Are
> those files going to go away?
>

[Robert Kaiser]

Schalk Neethling schrieb:

> As some might have noticed, there is a new version of Tabzilla. This one is
> a static ribbon, much in the vein of the Github ribbon, and is the one that
> should be used across Mozilla related sites going forward.

This now means that it's almost impossible to reach some pieces of the
mozilla.org website because there is no menu any more. Try for example
to get to the page that lists Mozilla leadership. Can you tell me how I
can click myself through to that in an obvious way from the mozilla.org
front page? I'm sure there's quite a few more examples like this.

KaiRo

[Alexander Gibson]

> This now means that it's almost impossible to reach some pieces of the
mozilla.org website because there is no menu any more. Try for example to
get to the page that lists Mozilla leadership. Can you tell me how I can
click myself through to that in an obvious way from the mozilla.org front
page? I'm sure there's quite a few more examples like this.

Feels to me like this is highlighting an underlying mozorg navigation
issue, rather than something directly related to Tabzilla itself.

The about landing page <https://www.mozilla.org/about/> holds navigation to
many pages, including the leadership page. A link used to be in the main
navigation on the home page, but it was removed as part of the last
redesign (I don't remember the reasoning exactly, but I do know those links
we're hotly contested over at the time). Still, I think you hold a very
valid point that these pages have lost discover-ability via the home page,
so I've opened a bug here
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1199145> to discuss (and
hopefully add the link link back!).

Alex

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Robert Kaiser <ka...@kairo.at> wrote:

> Schalk Neethling schrieb:

>
>> As some might have noticed, there is a new version of Tabzilla. This one
>> is
>> a static ribbon, much in the vein of the Github ribbon, and is the one
>> that
>> should be used across Mozilla related sites going forward.
>>
>
>

> This now means that it's almost impossible to reach some pieces of the
> mozilla.org website because there is no menu any more. Try for example to
> get to the page that lists Mozilla leadership. Can you tell me how I can
> click myself through to that in an obvious way from the mozilla.org front
> page? I'm sure there's quite a few more examples like this.
>
> KaiRo