Divided, we fall!

[Akshay S Dinesh]

Fellow country mozillians,

I'm tired and desperate of a never ending tendency. Why do we need so many
sub-communities and then groups of those communities and subgroups of
sub-communities and infinitely fragmented communities?

Do we realize that this very fragmentation of community is the reason why
Mozilla India is dead as a doornail now?

Can anyone suggest how to overcome this?

Also exasperated,
Akshay

[ranji...@riseup.net]

Proper diagnosis at first needed before jumping to apply any solution.

[Akshay S Dinesh]

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018, 7:44 PM viswaprasath <shihan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sharing what I shared in the Telegram.
>
> Felt like we in India have so many coders with good algorithm
> understanding. They have tendency to divide and conquer.
>
> Actually having regional community in one way is fine. The expertises get
> improved in functional areas. Think of myself talking easily in Tamil and
> sharing my knowledge with them in funny way. We get more functional area
> contributors and one way or other it will save lot of travel made by
> speakers. Think of absence of myself in TN in that case unless some one
> who loves to teach WebExtensions come forward we might wanted trishul
> /Santhosh to travel from their place. At least inside Tamilnadu this
> happens, not single reps travel for all events, there are so many
> contributors in various cities who love to travel and share their knowledge
> to near by contributors.
>

Exactly my point. Mozilla Tamil Nadu is thriving.


> Actually if some one clearly defines what are all the things needed to
> achieve as MozillaIN then many of us can come forward to achieve it. If you
> wanted to share the metrics (or knowledge among different regions) as a
> single MozillaIN then it can be achieved easily but required little effort.
>
>
>
> Yes As Trishul said, there are amazing teams doing lot of interesting
> things. QA team is doing well, WebVR, Rust. What more you are expecting, if
> you say clearly then we can sort the things out
>


https://mozillatn.github.io/

Compare this with

Mozillaindia.org
Or blog.mozillaindia.org

That's what I mean. Is it just the lack of documentation or do we actually
have a healthy thriving mozilla India which is onboarding contributors and
organizing events like Mozilla Tamil Nadu?

[ranji...@riseup.net]

> Or blog.mozillaindia.org [1]

>
> That's what I mean. Is it just the lack of documentation or do we
> actually have a healthy thriving mozilla India which is onboarding
> contributors and organizing events like Mozilla Tamil Nadu?
>
>

> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://blog.mozillaindia.org


When we observe Mozilla TamilNadu, who are good and committed to
documenting all their activities if they are given access to Mozilla
India GitHub repo or blog or whatever, that would at least help them as
an encouragement to grow as leaders beyond TamilNadu to rest of the
regional areas, but they are not given access to do so.

At least for QA, Mozilla Tamilnadu is doing pretty much good work, but
there is just a little appreciation from "Mozilla India" channels with
hardly few posts for formality.


To my observation mozillians who are working hard in the documentation,
marketing and social media, their effort is undermined and not welcomed
to contribute to "Mozilla India" channels.

I also see Mozilla Tamilnadu is a role model for social media presence.
Kudos to the team.

[viswaprasath]

Would love to rephrase some parts.

Sent from Mobile sorry for typo

People who are documenting are not just loving the documentation part. They
wanted to make sure what they have learnt and doing is shared to all. once
I have tried to ask documenting the things in MozillaIN blog also, but
there was some difficult faced by contributor and even once I tried to
write a post was very difficult to get started and getting permission then
promoting the post in social media. I would suggest give rotational author
permission to write in Mozilla India blog for functional teams, like for
rust this month Vignesh, next month Abhiram, then Mehul and so on they may
love to share their thoughts to bigger audience, similarly for webvr,
WebExtensions, and so on. This way MozillaIN blog will see lot of
engagement.


I personally know many contributors who started QA contribution in India.
Mentors like chandrakant ji, Swarnava helped people like Prasanth who are
contributing now. If you need any help always Madhuri is available to help
in QA (both automation and manual testing) and has invited us to do test
pilot adoption and testing many times.. I know some people like
Surentharan, Fahima got help from Prasanth and they sometimes help to
document things. If anyone need to write blog on that MozillaTN website you
can come to me I am (or any other org admins) Happy to accept your pull
request.

We should not say contributors contributing to social media is not
welcomed. Our MozillaIN social media engagement is really high and we can
very well see during privacy campaign each year. Efforts are done well in
past and is continuing till day. During one of the Mozilla India community
meetup we had video call with our mom and brought very good traction to
in-built video call feature. Many things are learnt from those
contributors.


Only one thing what many may be lacking to understand is how strengthening
regional community is helping to bring strong single MozillaIN community.
To explain this I would like to share a small thing what happened in
Tamilnadu.

Previously lot of colleges had their own website, own Facebook page,
Twitter handle. One thing was clear, when something (an announcement about
new features or near by meetups) has to be shared it was difficult to do.
So first thing we did was bring all the pages under single MozillaTN page
and most importantly all the club leads had editor access to the page. So
this helped us to make sure all the events done at one college is shared to
another college also. Then websites were not linked properly and ownership
is not transferred, so we invited students who were having their college
website to build and push to MozillaTN repo, this way Currently website
team can give access to any one in that college to write blog and
transition is very easy. One way or another each website was connected to
each other using disqus comment and connection is very strong and everyone
knew what is happening there.

Finally we wanted to have close connection with up coming contributors. Yes
Makilan shared birthday wishes to our community members in social media (
we can't do it in MozillaIN social media handle as it may look spamming) it
made sure the contributor is very close to Mozilla community.

The way of thinking may need to be changed.
We have scaled very well, to balance the load we need many smaller
components which all together make one big successful thing.


Think of this, all the event request goes to Mozilla community at SFO, then
it comes to India since we are near, then it comes to reps who is in that
region. If only this is correct way then that event might have not even
happened. But to make things bit faster we had a contact point MozillaIN
where we were asking lot of event request, and all contributors made sure
they travel whenever they were free and built very strong diverse community
all over india, then again after sometimes the number of events in regions
gets increased , so regional community started websites and made sure
processing is faster.

Finally MozillaIN community is stronger and are creating more leaders by
having various on boarding process who can again create more leaders. Only
one thing we miss is to understand this and also documenting it in blog.
The reason for lack of documentation is very simple, it's difficult for
many to get access.

[ranji...@riseup.net]

>>> Or blog.mozillaindia.org [1] [1]

Absolutely agree! no disagreement.

> They wanted to make sure what they have learnt and doing is shared to
> all.

I meant the same when I was referring to 'documenting all their
activities'. Love this attitude with Tamilnadu mozillians, which is
appreciable. Sor

once I have tried to ask documenting the things in MozillaIN blog
> also, but there was some difficult faced by contributor and even once
> I tried to write a post was very difficult to get started and getting
> permission then promoting the post in social media.

Few other also had similar experiences.

> I would suggest give rotational author permission to write in Mozilla India blog for
> functional teams, like for rust this month Vignesh, next month
> Abhiram, then Mehul and so on they may love to share their thoughts to
> bigger audience, similarly for webvr, WebExtensions, and so on. This
> way MozillaIN blog will see lot of engagement.

Strongly agree! This would be a great boost to MozillaIn blog.

> I personally know many contributors who started QA contribution in
> India. Mentors like chandrakant ji, Swarnava helped people like
> Prasanth who are contributing now. If you need any help always Madhuri
> is available to help in QA (both automation and manual testing) and
> has invited us to do test pilot adoption and testing many times.. I
> know some people like Surentharan, Fahima got help from Prasanth and
> they sometimes help to document things. If anyone need to write blog
> on that MozillaTN website you can come to me I am (or any other org
> admins) Happy to accept your pull request.

Good co-ordination, inspring team work.

> We should not say contributors contributing to social media is not
> welcomed.

:'D, okay "It needs to be more welcoming", sugar-coated, no
controversies.

> Our MozillaIN social media engagement is really high and we
> can very well see during privacy campaign each year. Efforts are done
> well in past and is continuing till day.

Good, appreciable!

> During one of the Mozilla
> India community meetup we had video call with our mom and brought very
> good traction to in-built video call feature. Many things are learnt
> from those contributors.
>
> Only one thing what many may be lacking to understand is how
> strengthening regional community is helping to bring strong single
> MozillaIN community. To explain this I would like to share a small
> thing what happened in Tamilnadu.
>
> Previously lot of colleges had their own website, own Facebook page,
> Twitter handle. One thing was clear, when something (an announcement
> about new features or near by meetups) has to be shared it was
> difficult to do. So first thing we did was bring all the pages under
> single MozillaTN page and most importantly all the club leads had
> editor access to the page. So this helped us to make sure all the
> events done at one college is shared to another college also. Then
> websites were not linked properly and ownership is not transferred, so
> we invited students who were having their college website to build and
> push to MozillaTN repo, this way Currently website team can give
> access to any one in that college to write blog and transition is very
> easy. One way or another each website was connected to each other
> using disqus comment and connection is very strong and everyone knew
> what is happening there.

Love this idea, MozillaIn seriously needs this strategy.

> Finally we wanted to have close connection with up coming
> contributors. Yes Makilan shared birthday wishes to our community
> members in social media ( we can't do it in MozillaIN social media
> handle as it may look spamming) it made sure the contributor is very
> close to Mozilla community.

Selva Makilan did a great work to maintain social media presence of
Mozilla TN, his contributions are commendable. We need such leaders with
new initiatives for Mozilla India channels.

> The way of thinking may need to be changed.
> We have scaled very well, to balance the load we need many smaller
> components which all together make one big successful thing.

Love, this idea is something admirable.

> Think of this, all the event request goes to Mozilla community at SFO,
> then it comes to India since we are near, then it comes to reps who is
> in that region. If only this is correct way then that event might have
> not even happened. But to make things bit faster we had a contact
> point MozillaIN where we were asking lot of event request, and all
> contributors made sure they travel whenever they were free and built
> very strong diverse community all over india, then again after
> sometimes the number of events in regions gets increased , so regional
> community started websites and made sure processing is faster.

Done, let's start working on this, who all would love to join in making
this happen.

> Finally MozillaIN community is stronger and are creating more leaders
> by having various on boarding process who can again create more
> leaders. Only one thing we miss is to understand this and also
> documenting it in blog.

> The reason for lack of documentation is very simple, it's difficult for many to get access.

In short, this is the fundamental reason. On addressing this and not
treating this as taboo to discuss, might help us grow as a stronger and
healthier community.