OneLiner moves navigation to the tabs toolbar

[Edward Lee]

Check out a different take on LessChrome HD. Combine the toolbars
instead of dynamically hiding/showing the navigation.

https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/07/28/oneliner-moves-navigation-to-the-tabs-toolbar

Ed

[Shane Caraveo]

looks nice, but I can't get it working on beta channel.

[Geobert]

I prefer this approach, I've abandoned LessChrome because I need to see my tabs.

On this take, I wish I can have the address bar on right side of tabs.

The search button behavior is definitively wrong in my opinion: maybe something like Mozilla F1 would be better so we can still change the search engine.

[Siddhartha Dugar]

After having worked on http://userstyles.org/styles/45794 I have a few suggestions:

• Increase urlbar default size (should ideally be like IE9)
  
• Hide identity box label
• Reduce minimum tab width

I also see some issues:

• The function of the search button is not clear, why don't you search whatever is in the urlbar
  
• There is some extra padding which causes height of tabs to increase

Thanks anyways.

[Edward Lee]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Shane Caraveo <mixed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> looks nice, but I can't get it working on beta channel.

Seems to work in Firefox 6 for me. Have you customized your navigation
controls? Did you see any errors in the error console?

Ed

[Edward Lee]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Geobert <geo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wish I can have the address bar on right side of tabs.

Would you want everything to the right of the tabs? back/forward
urlbar stop/reload?

> The search button behavior is definitively wrong in my opinion

Anything in particular that you don't like? Right now functionality is
definitely less than the original searchbar as you can only search
with Google.

Ed

[Geobert]

your right about the left side point, I didn't think of the control buttons… with this new parameter your approach is better.

I find it too "heavy", we lost autosuggest.
when I first see it, I thought that we'll get a balloon style popup like the identity info or Mozilla F1.

[apotropaico]

I agree with Geobert, the baloon in the search button just like F1 is a good idea, less space and same functionality as the normal one (maybe even more actions could be added in this way)
By now the thing i don't like in the search behavior is that it loads the search page in the current tab, I would prefer that if the tab is not empty it opens a new one with the search page in.

The thing i miss is the extensions buttons that are in the address bar and disappear without it

[Edward Lee]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Siddhartha Dugar
<dugar.si...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Increase urlbar default size (should ideally be like IE9)

What does IE9 do? Does it dynamically shrink it as you open more tabs?

> Hide identity box label
Would it always be hidden or only when you click in the box? (There's
an issue with text shifting as you click when dynamically hiding).

> Reduce minimum tab width
That could be done.. perhaps scaled so that the same number of tabs
are visible when overflowing before combining and after? For my screen
that's 11 tabs before and currently 7 after.

> The function of the search button is not clear, why don't you search
> whatever is in the urlbar

It should do that already or at least transfer the value from the
urlbar to searchbar when you hit the icon.

> There is some extra padding which causes height of tabs to increase

What OS/platform are you on?

Ed

[Edward Lee]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:41 AM, apotropaico <eza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By now the thing i don't like in the search behavior is that it loads the
> search page in the current tab, I would prefer that if the tab is not empty
> it opens a new one with the search page in.

Right. Previous Prospector add-ons tended to open search pages in new
tabs. E.g., AwesomeBar HD would always open a tab each time a category
was selected.
https://github.com/mozilla/prospector/issues/591

Ed

[Siddhartha Dugar]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Edward Lee <edi...@mozilla.com> wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Siddhartha Dugar

<dugar.si...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Increase urlbar default size (should ideally be like IE9)
What does IE9 do? Does it dynamically shrink it as you open more tabs?

IE9 keeps it dynamic but that can be difficult for now. Instead just increase the default size.

> Hide identity box label
Would it always be hidden or only when you click in the box? (There's
an issue with text shifting as you click when dynamically hiding).

You can hide it always, as long as https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588270 is not resolved

> Reduce minimum tab width
That could be done.. perhaps scaled so that the same number of tabs
are visible when overflowing before combining and after? For my screen
that's 11 tabs before and currently 7 after.

This can be a major enhancement

> The function of the search button is not clear, why don't you search
> whatever is in the urlbar
It should do that already or at least transfer the value from the
urlbar to searchbar when you hit the icon.

It transfers from the clipboard IIRC

> There is some extra padding which causes height of tabs to increase
What OS/platform are you on?

Windows 7 with Aero enabled and using small icon mode

Ed

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Siddhartha Dugar

[Sriram R]

I like this addon very much.

Is it possible to bring in the back button into the URL bar just like the refresh-stop button?

However, I guess, this will break the Larry UI (am I right?) that shows the identity of the site in FF 7 and above.

[sieciobywatel]

The most promising to me  Prospector so far. But I've found few rough edges.
- it does funny things when enabled with LessChrome active. Page starts around top window edge instant of content area, so top of page is not visible. Tested on both latest Ubuntu and W7.
- Aero background for Back and Search buttons are not the best choice. Looks weird and illegible in my case (I have deep blue color set in Aero):


- separating address bar from tab goes against latest changes; I agree that adress bar and its doorhangers should be more visually connected to page, not to chrome. Maybe a good idea would be to merge tab/page title with address bar (do we really need to see both at the same time) and add spiffy animations where switching tab moves it on the beggining of bar and adds controls (site identification, refresh etc). Of course we'd have to find out how does it change other scenarios, like closing tab, dragging it... But it may be worth exploring in my opinion. Now in the same bar page exists in two places - tab and address bar. It is not very clear.
- search experience is now only your default engine. Ctrl-K just open start page in my case, giving me no choice to use other engine. On the other hand using selected text/clipboard is something I was waiting for. What worries me a bit, that it exposes my clipboard a bit to willingly to page context. Especially for clipboard data it can be dangerous, as I may forget that I have something sensitive there.
- fullscreen improvements are just awesome.

[Roger Taylor]

Nice idea and works OK (atm) with Nightly.  The forward back buttons show slightly through the navigation pane when covered which is a little off-putting but I can live with that.

I missed the search box but using Omnibar and reducing the search engines to just a favicon solves that problem.  I generally don't use more than 5 or 6 tabs at any one time plus a couple of app tabs the set up is fine for me.

[Rohugh]

Dragging a tab to the bookmark sidebar is not working.

[Judah Richardson]

Not a bad idea, but I far prefer Less Chrome HD in every aspect.

[Geobert]

There is some ideas to find for the extensions buttons :/

[apotropaico]

I think that there should be some sort of coherence in the whole interface and so there should be a similar behavior between the parts.
for example if the balloon object is find useful there could be a button with a balloon for the search, one for F1, one for the extensions buttons and so on
or
it could be a shrinking bar so if you mouse-over the address input it expand itself and the rest of objects shrink, if you mouse-over the tabs that part expand itself, if you mouse over the extensions button it expand to show all the buttons, the search button will show the search input which will behave just like the normal one, and so on. in this way the part of the bar you are using is expanded and full operative, the rest is "minified".

[Kith]

Interesting concept.  In general, I like giving more screen to content, but cutting the tab bar effectively in half throws the problem of Tab Proliferation into sharp relief.  I think this needs to be addressed at this stage.  There are a few possible solutions bopping around out there (e.g. tree-style tabbing, inline tab history, iconization) , do you have one that you prefer?  Simply reducing the minimum tab width (as mentioned earlier on this discussion) is an inadequate and temporary solution at best, I'm afraid.

[B. Polidoro]

How about instead of cramming everything into one toolbar you allow one toolbar to cycle through the available toolbars.  See the Netscape 8 multibar.
http://www.pandia.com/sw-2005/24-netscape.html

Brian Polidoro

[Kith]

On Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:45:40 PM UTC-4, sieciobywatel wrote:

- separating address bar from tab goes against latest changes; I agree that adress bar and its doorhangers should be more visually connected to page, not to chrome. Maybe a good idea would be to merge tab/page title with address bar (do we really need to see both at the same time) and add spiffy animations where switching tab moves it on the beggining of bar and adds controls (site identification, refresh etc). Of course we'd have to find out how does it change other scenarios, like closing tab, dragging it... But it may be worth exploring in my opinion. Now in the same bar page exists in two places - tab and address bar. It is not very clear.

You've brought up an interesting point, and one that needs to be discussed with much more earnest.  What does the Address bar do, and can it do it better?
As things stand, the Address bar does two things:  it Displays the current URL, and it allows you to navigate.  It might be far better to separate the two modes.  Display of page information could, for example, be inserted at the top of the page itself so that it scrolls off the screen as we read.  We are unlikely to be paying attention to both the page information and the content at the same time, and the insert could contain far more than just the URL and still be unobtrusive.
Navigation (along with all Awesome Bar functionality) could be given to a single input box that also provided search options.  This box wouldn't need to be visible all the time (thus reclaiming the space previously occupied by the Address and Search bars).  Instead, it could be the default active item on the Firefox menu.  Since navigation has little to do with the page you're presently looking at, the new mental modal is preserved.
As for the back/forward buttons, they can appear when you mouse over the active tab, within the tab's borders.  Likewise with the Home button.
So a tab  / Page Title \   could become  / < > H |e Title \  or similar when you point at it.  Then the navigation toolbar wouldn't need to appear at all!

[ICE-M]

great add-on makes all my userchrome mods useless.
some things with it:
1. if i bookmark something, an entire bar appears above the add-on (see attach)
2. make all the buttons movable, especially in the front on the address bar.
 - i need new tab there because i want to stay focused on the address bar, not to move my eyes all over the screen.
 - reload/stop should be movable there as well.
 - search should be movable to customize or deletable. because it's function it's useless for some that use the address bar to search.
3. identity box is awful. it's like a traffic light and adds unnecessary width to the bar. maybe include an option to disable it. (i did)
4. sometimes the back/forward arrows are partially covered by the identity box or the address bar in my case.
5. make the add-on, if possible, to use the system icons and not mozilla's ones. (i speak of identity box and the go/reload/stop)

thanks and keep on the great work. i use debian unstable with the latest aurora build of iceweasel if it helps.

[Ksec]

What about a "true" one liner? The Forward, Backward, Address Bar and Search Bar, all moved in between the Firefox Menu Button and Windows Minimize, Closed buttons?

Since i have Tree Tabs and use Tabs Bar on Left Side,

Notes: Tree Tabs doesn't work with one liner.........

[Delirium tremens]

When I was in addons.mozilla.org, with the big security text in
addressbar saying Mozilla Corporation (US), I couldn't see where to
type, so make an enter next destination icon that clears the address
bar, maybe?

When I open many tabs, when a tab appears under an other tab for the
first time, there is unused space, so make the tab on the bottom be
under the back button instead of under an other tab, maybe?

On Jul 28, 11:01 am, Edward Lee <edi...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Check out a different take on LessChrome HD. Combine the toolbars
> instead of dynamically hiding/showing the navigation.
>

> https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/07/28/oneliner-moves-navigati...
>
> Ed

[Kith]

How would you feel if instead the URL, security information and some page info were placed inline at the top of the page itself (they would scroll off the screen like any other content) and the navigation command line were moved somewhere accessible but out of immediate sight--say, into the Firefox menu for example--and had no display responsibilites?  Then the tabs and address bar wouldn't be competing for space like that!

[Paul Morris]

FWIW, I think I like this the best out of all these experiments (Awesome Bar HD, LessChrome, etc).  When you have as many tabs open as I tend to have, you have to go to panorama, the tab menu, or use switch to tab much of the time anyway, so having less room on the tab bar is not that big a deal. 

One thing I've noticed: sometimes the site identity box in the URL field is wide enough to be annoying and crowd out the URL space if the title of the site is too long. 

Also not sure if showing and hiding the forward and back arrows is worth it.

[Edward Lee]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Kith <kithpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> cutting the tab bar in half throws the problem of Tab Proliferation
True. Abhinav stumbled upon an interesting finding when experimenting
with in-tab previews of links. The previews took up most but not all
of the tab content area, and it allowed previewing arbitrarily deep,
and this let the user easily see the navigation history. Potentially
something like this could replace tabs where instead of opening a
"full tab", these related previews within a tab encapsulate an idea or
task.

> Simply reducing the minimum tab width is a temporary solution at best
True, but for now, v2 will reduce the minimum tab width from 100px to 40px.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/prospector-oneLiner/versions/

Ed

[Edward Lee]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Paul Morris <paulw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also not sure if showing and hiding the forward and back arrows is worth it.

Would you prefer just hiding of the forward button and not the back
button? v2 also adds in some animation, but that probably also needs
its own set of tweaking.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/prospector-oneLiner/versions/

Ed

[Edward Lee]

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:53 PM, ICE-M <icem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> if i bookmark something, an entire bar appears above the add-on

There seems to be something with the bookmark doorhanger that triggers
the navigation bar to appear even if the urlbar isn't in the
navigation bar. v2 should prevent that. Thanks for the screenshots.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/prospector-oneLiner/versions/

> make all the buttons movable, especially in the front on the address bar.
>  - i need new tab there because i want to stay focused on the address bar,

>  - reload/stop should be movable there as well.

The right-edge of the address bar should be fixed no-matter if the
back/forward buttons are showing or not. v2 resizes the address bar
when it gets focus though.

> sometimes the back/forward arrows are partially covered by the identity

That's by design to give the address bar more space when you can't
even click back and/or forward.

Ed

[ICE-M]

some things about version 2 of the add-on:
- in full screen the minimize, maximize and close button are no longer displayed.
- the resizing address bar in a bad idea because it moves all over the place and obstructs other tabs. the perfect arrangement was the first version, it was large enough to type the urls and see suggestions or history of web sites in it. this one is huge and defeats the purpose of the add-on, even dough is resizable. please if you could show me a way to disable this behaviour i would be very grateful.
- the new tabs width is not a good idea. why? because the tab should have a minimum width big enough so we can read what is in the opened tab or the tabs that were next to it. again the first version of the add-on was right on. also for this i would like a way to disable the changes.
- if i open say 20 tabs instead of seeing the tabs in a normal way and navigate trough them i see a lot of buttons and suspension points and i can't read or navigate the tab in a normal way. this i guess is related to the above one.

the way i see this addon is:
- is made for someone that uses the browser at a moderate usage of tabs (max: 20 and 3 to 5 in focus) if we wanted an entire enciclopedia of tabs opened we wouldn't needed to cram the tab bar in to the navigation bar.
- the ratio between the navigation bar and tab bar should be 40:60. because in the tab bar there are also buttons from other add-ons, bookmark menu, history or menu.
- the address bar shouldn't be resizable because it becoming annoying after a wile and again defeats the purpose of the add-on if we wanted a huge address bar we wouldn't need one liner.
- the disappearing back/forward buttons are awesome and adds a novelty to firefox. chrome is huge on minimalism maybe it's the time not to copy them and do our own thing.

i added 2 screenshots one with the full screen and other with 20 tabs open same effect on 10 tabs opened.

thanks again for your work, i hope this add-on will come at a perfect usable state.

[Paul Morris]

On Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:36:37 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:

Would you prefer just hiding of the forward button and not the back button? 

 Yeah, I think that would be better.  It feels particularly odd to me (like something may have gone wrong) when there are no arrows there at all. 

Installed version 2 and I love the resizing URL bar!  It expands when you're using it, and contracts when you're not.  A big advantage is- it lets you see the whole URL for longer URLs, which wasn't possible with v1. 

The wider minimum tab width in version one was much better for me.  Now I only see the favicons and none of the text for my tabs, much harder to know which tab is which.

Thanks for your work, it's coming along really well!

[ICE-M]

found how to modify the width on the minimum tab by editing the add-on's styles\browser.css
because i hate coding and i'm pretty bad at it still trying to figure out how to disable the resizable url bar. i managed to disable it but i remains at a very big size not at the small one. hope i'll figure it out.

 

[ICE-M]

i settled on 140px for the tab width and i found how to disable the resizing address bar by modifying the line with base width for focused from 2 :  1 to 1 : 1. i hope all evolves well with the add-on and you don't listen to bad ideas from user that can't design things proper. great work again and i hope i can use this add-on for a long time.

[Erlan Sergaziev]

Thanks for the addon, this looks the most promising to me, except that I heavily dislike the auto resizing of url bar in v2.
Please provide a setting to disable this feature.

[Rohugh]

Having read through about the v2 change I was unsure but having now tried it I like it.  There are times when I want to copy part of the URL and this makes it easier than with a fixed size.  I do agree that a setting to disable would be an idea for those who are not keen on that feature.

Looking even better.  :)

[Delirium tremens]

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Since there's more space in the focused awesomebar, let's use it! :-)

I click the search button in the focused awesomebar, fx scrolls down a
drop down list of ubiquity commands until:
"<search category label>
my computer ([v]bookmarks, [v]tags, [v]history, [v]tabs)
the web ([v]google, []bing, []yahoo)
<twitter category label>
tweet <message>
shorten <url>"

In the awesomebar, instead of searching bookmarks, tags, history and
tabs by default, since ubiquity includes searching bookmarks, tags,
history and tabs in its commands, use ubiquity by default.

[Kith]

I second the motion!  Bring full command-line functionality to the awesomebar!

[Delirium tremens]

Mozilla,

I regret having said what I said. I'll send you a private message from
Bugzilla.

[Delirium tremens]

I sent you a private message to you from Bugzilla.
Missing a combination of other and private contact category is a bug
and missing other in all contact categories is a bug too.
Product Feedback contains suggestions, so put the words that the
Product Feedback category contains under Product Feedback as
description with etc by the end or people will think Product Feedback
isn't suggestions and select other.
I posted in that same message the message that I wanted to send to
Mozilla Labs only.

[elliot73]

I like OneLiner, but with OneLiner activated I cannot edit the searchengine settings since that pulldown menu is gone, can I?

[Delirium tremens]

On Aug 14, 12:37 pm, elliot73 <ljuergen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like OneLiner, but with OneLiner activated I cannot edit the searchengine
> settings since that pulldown menu is gone, can I?

(final)

omg! omg! omg! FlashGot and Greasemonkey introduced to me the concept
of a SplitIcon!!!
You mouseover the SplitIcon in the navigation bar's tool bar and:
1. it shows a vertical line between the icon and the drop down arrow
2. it shows a line surrounding the icon and the drop down arrow
3. it doesn't show a drop down menu like a splititem, it shows a
tooltip
4. windows, ubuntu, mac os x and even fedora now are into big icons
and it's big, because it has a down arrow
To see it, visit http://imgur.com/OMlWo

I really wish the search button was a spliticon.
the fx user clicks search and searches with the mozilla's sponsor
that's not enough power, so the user sees a down arrow
that's many alternatives, that's many doubts, so the user sees a
tooltip on mouse over
the search button tooltip is search
the user is happy, clicks the down arrow and sees:
- <google favicon> google
- <bing favicon> bing
- <yahoo favicon> yahoo
- add search engine
he selects <google favicon> google
at the same time:
the search button becomes <google favicon>
the <google favicon> tooltip becomes google
finally, the autist user admires the beauty of seeing "<google
favicon>" google become half alone icon and half alone tooltip

[Delirium tremens]

I created an add-on. It will be helpful to one liner users, because
one liner uses the app button and my add-on makes living with app
button much better. It's at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/addon-tools-in-app-button/
It had a competitor that I didn't know, but my add-on is better. The
competitor is at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=New+Old+Menu&cat=all
There is a powerful add-on which has similar functionality, but it's
manual, laborious and time-consuming. It's at
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/personal-menu/

[Delirium tremens]

Mr. Kith, sry for hurting your feelings.

[Kith]

No offense taken. :) You are, of course, allowed to have your own opinion, though I still think your first instinct of bringing Ubiquity functionality to the address bar is a good one.
Ultimately, I feel that moving the existing controls around is also the wrong answer because it doesn't really solve any problems, only hides them behind clever arrangements of UI.  My solution would be to move the information presently displayed in the address bar to the content area (so it would scroll away like any other page element), and tuck the rest of the address bar - the command line part - into the Firefox menu.  Making the Awesome Bar Command Line into a Ubiquity Command Line makes sense in that context, and the space taken up by the address bar is reclaimed.

Honestly, I understand that this is a Big Change and that people would probably bristle at it (at least at first). I would just write an extension myself, but it's been over a decade since I wrote any code and I've never hacked on a browser before, so I'll just have to be patient.

But that's just my opinion. ;)

[Tony Stark]

I have a new idea ^^
New Feature : expand location bar when mouse hover on it and hide a
part of tab bar...and otherwise, expand tab bar when mouse hover on it
and hide a part of location bar...
How do you think ? Could you make this new feature ?

On Jul 28, 7:01 am, Edward Lee <edi...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Check out a different take on LessChrome HD. Combine the toolbars
> instead of dynamically hiding/showing the navigation.
>
> https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/07/28/oneliner-moves-navigati...
>
> Ed

[Delirium tremens]

On Aug 15, 10:29 pm, Tony Stark <mrloyal1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a new idea ^^
> New Feature : expand location bar when mouse hover on it and hide a
> part of tab bar...and otherwise, expand tab bar when mouse hover on it
> and hide a part of location bar...
> How do you think ? Could you make this new feature ?

but tony, what if I move my mouse up from the page content to the
titlte bar or to the top bar of the OS?
the awesomebar or tab bar will expand or collapse and distract me,
giving me the blink feeling

[Tony Stark]

I am sorry...I did not explain clearly...I mean : normal mode...like
OneLiner and my new idea...new feature appear when hover in tab/
location bar. When the mouse out...it turns to normal mode ^^
Thanks for your reply, Delirium tremens. I think "auto hide" feature
cause a lot of problems... We should make a shortcut for it
like...pressing alt button and menu bar appear or increase the delay
time... ^^
How do you think about my solutions ? :D

[Paul Morris]

Still using OneLiner and like it a lot.  Here's a problem I've run into:  with many tabs open, when you click on the URL bar it expands and pushes the currently active tab off screen.  That's annoying.  Also, if you leave the URL bar active when moving to another tab, and then click back through your tabs, when you hit the one with the already active URL bar it pushes the tabs you were working with off screen.  You are immediately lost, "where did my tabs go, they were just right under my pointer!?"  This is really frustrating. 

Solution: the expanding URL bar should never be allowed to push the currently active tab off screen and out of sight, but should cover up other inactive tabs instead.

Thanks again for all the good work on this!
-Paul

[Geobert]

is there any plan to continue this extension?

[Delirium tremens]

Since the space for tabs is reduced in One Liner 2 when compared to
Firefox 7 without One Liner 2,
what if One Liner 3 had mini tabs with almost instantaneous tooltips
instead of right side tab bar expansion?
Details at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mini-tab/reviews/user:4708156

[Wilton Gorske]

Brilliant! I love it!

[Geobert]

a pity this addon died :(