Friday, 8 July 2011

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1.
FBI Drove Ernest Hemingway to Suicide! - Alex Jones Tv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegnjI6rfUk
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2.
A good mix of content in this brief rant by Jones from weaponised
vaccines and toilet paper rationing to banksters imploding national
economies and the effects of watching television on your brain.

A Lady in The Night - Alex Jones Tv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfKGw-H3X8k&feature=related
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3.
As always, Michael Hudson is excellent in articulating what is going
on with the banksters in Greece and elsewhere.

[KR162] Keiser Report – Europe’s Neo-Feudalism
http://maxkeiser.com/2011/07/07/kr162-keiser-report-europes-neo-feudalism/
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Another gem from theinfounderground.com forum, just an off-comment but the members seem to be well informed about such matters. It appears the Libertarian movement too is a Jewish invention apparently, not surprising I suppose:

"Libertarianism is a Jewish created political ideology. The writer Ayn Rand, whose real name was ALISA ROSENBAUM, is considered one of the primary founders of the modern Libertarian movement in America. She was a Russian Jewess.

In addition, all of the main influential Libertarian economists from the so-called "Austrian School" were and are Jews.

Ludvig von Mises - Jew
Friedrich Hayek - Jew
Milton Friedman - Jew
Murray Rothbard - Jew
Israel Kirzner - Jew

Read the list of the economists affiliated with the Austrian School on this page. It reads like a bar mitzvah invitation list."

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5.

It makes sense to create (and control) a political movement that the freedom crowd are attracted to, and is a convenient script book to help guys like the MMA crew to run their "operations" too. Very clever.

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6.

Euthanasia Roller Coaster..this is not a joke!
http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/euthanasia-roller-coaster-this-is-not-a-joke/

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“I got my eye on you” & Hereafter movie poster
http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/i-got-my-eye-on-you-hereafter-movie-poster/

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Venezuela’s Chavez vows to win health battle..wants to rule till 2021
http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/venezuelas-chavez-vows-to-win-health-battle-wants-to-rule-till-2021/

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Gerald Celente : China kept the Ponzi scheme going too
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TrendsForecastsAndPropheciesBlog/~3/t7lEMXANSSE/gerald-celente-china-kept-ponzi-scheme.html

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Rural Councils Executive Order is Agenda 21 “One World Order”
http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/07/rural-councils-executive-order-is-agenda-21-one-world-order/

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11.

The Seventh War
http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/07/the-seventh-war/

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12.

I somehow feel that the "golden age" of internet marking is coming to a close.

Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam Want to Tax Internet Sales
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/LostBallInHighWeeds/~3/9aR_AKXv_2U/

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13.

Plans to Strip Mine the Moon May Soon be More Than Just Science-Fiction
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GAS20110707&articleId=25542

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14.

World Bank Told to Stop Lending to Land Grabbers - Like Calyx Agro
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20110707&articleId=25541

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Here is the Interview of Dr. David Duke on RT
http://www.davidduke.com/general/here-is-the-interview-of-dr-david-duke-on-rt_24157.html

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Russia seeks no leading role in mediation in Libya -- FM
http://english.cntv.cn/20110707/114009.shtml

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dc @15 - All excellent points made by Duke, his fukwit interviewer
notwithstanding. An excellent example of how Jewsmedia hounds and
smears anyone who dares to discuss the effective control of politics
and critical institutions. Being labelled by them an anti-semite is
the end of any sort of public career of any influence or note. This
deceit and repression are so unfair, and so draconic and total, that
the eventual outcome can only be a revulsion of zionism in the minds
of right thinking, decent, freedom loving people.

Alas, for that, many more will have to find the intestinal fortitude
to wake up and stand up to be counted. As it is to date, the majority
of those who are awake to the realities he speaks of, are still too
intimidated to openly dare calling a spade a spade. That is just an
unfortunate reality, and in my view, the fact that most stop short of
going all the way down the rabbit hole is due to this terrorism
through the Jewsmedia, rather than the more sinister reason of them
being part of the conspiracy. That's my instinctive and articulated
take on it, anyhow.
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dc @ 11- That is an excellent article by my lights, but should it not
be classified as a gate keeping disinformation piece by yours? It is
talking about the elitists along the very same lines as Jones's,
rather than the Jews. Or are you starting to make a concession along
what I have suggested @ 17? Anyhow, where do you stand?
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19.
I think that we can also add Max Igan, the Australian philosopher to
that long list. Here is another good interview with him.

Max Igan - peaceful non compliance with the system
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2011/07/max-igan-eceti-interview-july-5th-2011.html
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cb @ 18 - fair enough.

I just skimmed the article, but I get the impression they are laying blame on US government (a proxy) while stopping short of naming the real culprits. Is thatwhat you are getting at ?

I get the impression that the intel hub could well be a gatekeeper operation, but I thought the article is still relevant information and not distorted as far as I can see. My position is that when trying to learn more about the truth it is prudent to be on guard against potential distortions from known (or suspected) gatekeepers. But even known gatekeepers are often good sources of information, so that does not mean filtering out all information that they put out.

On 8 July 2011 16:15, dc <petern...@gmail.com> wrote:

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cb @ 18 - good question.

I just skimmed the article, but I get the impression they are laying blame on US government (a proxy) while stopping short of naming the real culprits. Is that correct?

Yes it may indeed be written and published by a gatekeeper, but it is still relevant information and not distorted as far as I can see. My "position" is that when trying to learn more about the truth it is prudent to be on guard against potential distortions from known (or suspected) gatekeepers. But even known gatekeepers are often good sources of information, so that does mean discounting all information that they put out.

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cb @ 17 - David Duke comes across as very well spoken and authentic, but here's another angle: some believe that Duke is a Zionist puppet that is trotted out whenever the Zionists want to smear/discredit someone/something!

Eustace Mullins and Daryl Bradford Smith discuss this in an interview here.

But on the other hand DBS has been called out for pushing the Zionist-Nazi connection line, so from what I've seen I'm inclined to believe Duke is the real deal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIRzZATX5I

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21.
dc @ 19 - Good response. As you can no doubt tell, I am having a
friendly go at you, lol. Yes, the article names the politicians and
the bureaucrats as the whores who have sold out the country and the
people's wellbeing to the globalist elitists. Duke, Nick, you and I
are of the view that in the main these are zionist Jews, something
that is known and appreciated by most in the resistance, but the
majority of them are still not prepared and ready to come out and say
it in those words.

Now, the difference between you and I is the interpretation of this
fact. Are they gate keepers in cahoots with the zionists, as you say,
or are they simply not yet ready for an open and very public showdown
with the zionists in the fashion of David Duke, as I am suggesting?

I think that I am right, and you think that you are right, so in this
one we do hold very similar positions. :-)

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cb, well I wasn't sure if you weren't a little dark over our recent debate, but there's no harm in having a friendly go lol

That being said, sometimes I do post articles in a hurry so if it is bad info, it's only fair that it gets the treatment it deserves lol

And you're exactly right, not pointing the finger directly at the culprits does not prove guilt. I guess AJ is in a similar position to a politician in that it's not in the best interest of a lengthy career to call out the scum dogs, and whether he is guilty or not is irrelevant to us learning more about the truth anyway.

You have had your say, I have had my say. Saying more will not make a lick of difference.

I think we at least agree on this much ;)

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22.
dc @ 20 - So, if we are to take these allegations seriously, Duke is
damned if he does go all the way down the rabbit hole, and he is
damned if he does not. Same for Jones, Chapman, or anyone who has a
high enough public profile to be attacked openly in MSM. Ergo, the
resistance cannot have a genuine high profile spokesperson, because if
they go all the way to the bottom of the rabbit warren, then they are
aiding the zionists in shutting down the resistance, and if they do
not go down deep enough then they are aiding the zionists by acting as
gate keepers. Do you see the problems inherent in seeing things along
these lines?

Hence my decided inclination to appreciate everyone chipping away at
the lies as they each can and dare. For, if we rent asunder and expose
most of the chicanery and the deception, people's individual motives
for being part of the exercise, or should we call it the enterprise?,
will turn out to have been not all that important. Anyhow, how do you
see yourself navigating this sea of distrust, finger pointing and
uncertainty?

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dc @ 22 - lol, Mate, since we no longer have "there is no bloody
conspiracy" around to keep us on our toes, someone's got do it. And I
ask your pardon for losing a little patience with you back there, when
I felt that you were refusing to check out my links.

Talking of which, I was meaning to follow up with you again on my
question whether the circles that you monitor have had anything to say
about Adam Gadahn?

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cb @ 22 - there is a difference between controlling the opposition (something the inbreds have done throughout history) and telling the truth. You could look at it from two different directions. As far as getting the truth out goes, then you are spot on, the truth is getting out thanks to the work of these guys, but the question is are they there to tell the truth or herd and controll the resistance?

It is difficult to prove, but whether it is Jones hiding Israels crimes or Dr Duke being used as a tool to discredit an individual or movement, the potential is there that these guys may be used as tools to direct us in a direction that is not in our best interest or to stop us going in a direction that IS in our best interest.

In light of this, perhaps the only meaningful resistance then will come from a fully grass-roots movement that is outside of the media entirely and not under the wing of a high profile celebrity?

No, I have not heard anything about Adam Gadahn from my sources.

But the fact that AJ called him a "fat Jew" does not seem particularly radical to me, if anything it makes AJ look racist in our PC world. The fact that AJ mentioned the ethnicity of a single individual is not the same as pointing out a larger conspiracy based on ethnic orientation the way I see it, it seems more likely that it was said to silence his critics, than to point the finger at the Jews.

On 8 July 2011 18:44, dc <petern...@gmail.com> wrote:

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cb @ 22 - there is a difference between controlling the opposition (something the inbreds have done throughout history) and telling the truth and you could look at it from two different directions. As far as getting the truth goes, then you are spot on. Every one of these guys is helping to uncover the conspiracy that surrounds us, but the question is are they simply telling the truth or herding and controlling the resistance.

This is difficult to prove, but whether it is Jones hiding Israels crimes or Dr Duke being used as a tool to discredit an individual or movement, the potential is there that these guys may be used as tools to direct us in a direction that is not in our best interest or to stop us going in a direction that IS in our best interest. Perhaps the only meaningful resistance then will come from a fully grass-roots movement that is outside of the media entirely and not under the wing of a high profile celebrity?

No, I have not heard anything about Adam Gadahn from my sources.

But the fact that AJ called him a "fat Jew" does not seem particularly radical, if anything it makes AJ look racist in our PC world. The fact that AJ mentioned the ethnicity of a single individual is not the same as pointing out a larger conspiracy based on ethnic orientation the way I see it.

It seems more likely that it was said to silence his critics, than to point the finger on the Jews.

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26.

The Jews Who Murdered Tsar Nicholas II
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=644

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The Ugly Truth Podcast July 7, 2011

Franklin P. Lamb, LLM,PhD, Director of Americans Concerned for Middle East Peace joins the program LIVE from Libya to discuss the realities of what is taking place there under NATO bombardment.

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/the-ugly-truth-podcast-july-7-2011/

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26.
dc - Have a quick look at each of these clips. The first one is Jones
outing Gadahn, which I would have thought he did not have to do. If he
was a rat, he could have just brushed over it and ignored it. But he
didn't. Instead, he went after the bastard and exposed him and his
background with passion and without obfuscation. He also talks about
Israhell later on in the clip, but watch at least the first 2 minutes
of it on his outing of Gadahn.

White Al-Qaeda Led by The Jewish Guy, Adam Pearlman-aka Adam Gadahn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6PcS9W8CA

And then watch this one, which is what is being discussed:
Jihad Joe: Adam Gadahn encourages American jihadists to buy guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpRQzTP8H1o&feature=related

And, finally you might also want to watch this one, which I have not
seen before, but which confirms Jones's analysis.
Fake Al Qaeda Actors EXPOSED! Adam Gadahn & Yousef al-Khattab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0&NR=1
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dc @ 25 - Yes, the possibilities are endless, and hence the need to
weigh up as much of the available evidence as possible in order to
guage the probabilities. We cannot prize open other people's heads to
obtain certainty concerning their motivation, we judge them by their
words and their actions, double checking and cross checking to weigh
up the probabilities, and factoring in the possible legitimate reasons
why someone might not come out to be gagged like David Duke.

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And, indeed, why someone might even throw in some fake information to
throw the marks off the scent, which I suspect Jones might have done
on occasion. In his own words, when you expose lies and criminality in
a controlled world, you have to know what you can get away with in
order to do what you want to do, and still attract attention. That's
how I am inclined to see it, anyhow, while continuing to stay alert to
any false moves.

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cb @ 26 - well cb, you wanted me to listen and I was not half way through the first video when AJ, in the middle of a rant about how Israel creates fake terror groups comes out with the line "Israel created Hamas".

No they didn't! At least I'm pretty sure they did not. So I'm calling BS on that!

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cb @ 31 - Yes he DID! In the first video no less!

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Whatever it is, dc, notice how you comment on the only thing that may
be in question in that clip, ignoring the main aspect, the fact that
he outed Gadahn when he did not have to.

As for the Hamas saga, he said, she said, I don't know what happened,
but would not be surprised if it was not the same story as the way
they have created Al Qaeda. But even if it is different, that Israel
had nothing to do in creating Hamas to start with, why would it be in
anyone's interest for Jones and others to blame the creation of Hamas
on Israel? I don't see how the zionists would benefit from such
allegations and rumours. So, what's the story line supposed to be
there with that BS misinformation, as you call it?

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cb, as I understand it, Hamas is the main legitimate political body of the Palestinians.

If I recall correctly they are an important player in the 1967 borders issue, so dropping the lie that they are really a false front for Israel discredits them and makes people think twice about supporting them. If I understand this correctly then it is a big "error" by Jones who should know better. I noticed a few people took issue with it in the comments section too.

Yes he calls out Adam Gadahn when he did not have to and yes is pointing out a Jew as a bad guy.
He says some bad things about Israel, without giving the whoe gig away. So yes he has pushed beyond his usual boundary, but not too far.

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Here's an interesting article by Michael Collins Piper from a while back about a campaign by an influential member of the Rothschilds family to remove Obama from the Whitehouse.

Rothschild Dynasty Slams Obama; Calls for Centrist Movement in U.S.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/rothschild_dynasty_247.html

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dc @ 35 - My understanding of the Hamas claim is that it is a strictly
historical reference, that setting up Hamas was their strategy to
weaken the PLO by splitting the Palestinian liberation movement, which
it eventually did. However, I would want to educate myself as to its
murky history before arguing the case either way.

A search has turned up the following info, where Ron Paul has put the
allegation on record. Unfortunately, the clip has been removed,
surprise, surprise. All the same, it seems to me that there is a very
good likelihood that there is some substance to the claim, given that
Ron Paul has been prepared to make it on record. I regard Ron Paul as
a man who knows his stuff, as well as a man of integrity, even though
I am aware that you are suspicious of him, too.

Ron Paul Points Out That Israel Created Hamas
Youtube
June 3, 2010
Ron Paul on the House floor noting that the just like the U.S. created
Bin Laden, Israel created Hamas.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-points-out-that-israel-created-hamas.html


I have done another search for the clip, but it seems to have been
taken down from this site, too. It looks like someone does not want
this information to be out there and available:

Ron Paul: Israel Created Hamas! 1/9/2009, page 1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread426327/pg1


But I finally found a site that still has it:

Ron Paul: Israel Created Hamas To Counter Arafat
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/15912/Ron_Paul__Israel_created_Hamas_to_counter_Arafat/
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So, once again, what some appear to denounce as uncontroversial, black
and white BS disinformation, might just be the smoke that gives away
the fire beneath. If I had to take a bet, I would say that, on the
balance of probabilities, Hamas was useful for the zionists while it
weakened a strong challenger to them in Arafat and the PLO, but then
just as the PLO was softened up, it had gotten out of hand as it
became the more dominant and popular movement. As Ron Paul puts it,
Hamas is blowback, and I have no reasons to distrust his take on the
subject.
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dc @ 36 - That is a very good, compelling line of argument by MCP.
Wich, incidentally, lines up perfectly with Jones's own
conceptualisation of his efforts in the Infowars. He points out the
false dichotomy and alternatives provided by the Left and the Right,
and goes for what he believes to be the jugular of the entire,
contrived political system: the disinformation and lies propagated by
and through the MSM, which you and I and the more outspoken sections
of alternative media, recognise as JewsMedia.
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cb @ 37 - ahh alright, I may have been mistaken. It smelled like BS to me and I'd need to do my own research to be satisfied too. However after reading the Jerusalem Post recently it is clear the September vote has got the Jews very nervous and they are not pleased that Obama has not said he will automatically issue a veto, so AJ's comments at this time would serve to weaken Hamas's position. I could imagine a scenario where he was asked to put it out there by his handlers and if you search in Google there are similar articles that have been published recently.

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cb, just did a quick search and you are right, it does seem that Israel initially funded Hamas, but with Hamas now a sworn enemy of Israel and so close to the UN vote, I must raise my eyebrow all the same at Jones dropping of that fact, while acknowledging that he is bending a little in involving Israel's involvement.