The Bangladesh Myth (was: Re: "H" is for Humanitarian... and Hurl (WARNING: This re-post may cause nausea))
Sylvia
'K, right off the bat, to produce this chapter of his "military career",
Haddad sloppily mixed two separate incidents:
a. The Bangladesh 1974 FLOODS (August).
b. The Bangladesh 1974 FAMINE (December).
He gets a lot of other points wrong--which I will cheerfully
annotate--but the following point clinches it. See, that way you can
just read that one, be assured that this whole treacle-esque, disgustin'
collection of Ray Haddad's whopper "The Great Humanitarian" lies, also,
NEVER HAPPENED, and then scamper off without reading the rest (unless
yer in a mood to be amused by Ray Haddad's remarkable stupidity--a *lot*
of it--though, be warned, some of his story may make ya hurl).
**** THE KILLER POINT *****
The US Armed Forces *did* lend aid to the people of Bangladesh both of
the above times. BUT--and this is a HUGE BUT--in both cases, 'twas was
the Airforce, not Admiral Haddad's Private Navy that brought them
supplies. So, Ray Haddad's unbelievable self-sacrifice for the people of
Bangladesh is unbelievable for good reason: IT NEVER HAPPENED. HE
WAS NEVER THERE.
[1] "For the Record: All U.S. Forces' Responses to Situations,
19702000" (Center for Strategic Studies), pg 102, Chart for 1974. Since
the document is a pdf, I uploaded the chart to http://tinyurl.com/2k8xrr
(I added a 12% light pink-esque screen to the non-pertinent areas to
make it easier to spot the times in question). You can find a link to
the pdf itself here: http://tinyurl.com/3cqadc .
**** THE ANNOTATED HADDAD ****
> Nov 21 2002, the day before (US) Thanksgiving
>
> Ray Haddad sez:
>
> I know for an absolute fact that the US bought carrots and potatoes
> from Israel during the Bangladesh flooding in 1974.
[2a] No. Israel's agricultural production had not yet recovered
from the 1973 Arab-Israeli war.
[2b] Besides, the U.S. wouldn't buy food from another country, we
maintain a stock of commodity foods that can be released for disaster
relief.
> I know this because I was personally unloading bags of both
[3] In a following post: "The labels had been altered with a
large red stencil to show that they had been cleared via Israeli
channels." Quite certain about that detail, yes? But, then:
[4] In 2005 Haddad brags: "I [...] physically helped to unload rice
in Bangladesh." *Only* rice. Change-O, Prest-O! Now, it's all rice!
Israel is not known for its rice paddies. Asia, however... Coals.
Newcastle. innit
[5a] NOTE: "Aug 1974: Three MAC C-141s airlifted tents and blankets
to Bangladesh to help refugees left homeless by flooding." (
http://tinyurl.com/25gkx9 Page 38.) One trip. The U.S. Air Force relief
effort for the *famine* was in December, for 16 days, and they used a
C-130. (ibid).
> during some rain that made even breathing an effort with 10 inches per hour arriving in
> great sheets from an unforgiving sky.
[5b] <staring>
<koff!> During the cool, dry winter? See, the flooding
happened in August 'cause the monsoon season is in late summer.
> The rain fell very densely in
> squalls of 10 minutes or so with as much time in between for us to go
> into high gear.
[5c] Not just a lie, but that sentence doesn't even make sense.
> Later shipments came from the US but the necessity was to feed people
> immediately.
[6] Duh. The U.S. Air Force provided the First Response (and
following) Teams because airlifting emergency food supplies in a C-130
(tactical airlifter) is a tad faster than sending a ship.
> I was amazed at how fast dry firewood appeared
> and a
> rudimentary soup was created upon the arrival of the first load to
> feed lines of over 1000 people.
[7a] What disgusting arrogance, Haddad. Different emergency relief
organizations had been in Bangladesh for months, and had already set up
staffed food distribution and medical areas. A UN organization had flown
in tons of food back then. They needed more supplies, not "Haddad, the
Saviour of the Grateful Starving Masses".
[7b] "Rudimentary soup"? Had you really been there, you would have
been opening cans and boxes of food that needed no (or little)
preparation.
> One thing that truly overwhelmed me
> was the politeness of those in what I saw to be most desperate need.
>
> They hadn't eaten a proper meal in 4 days
[8] NO, Haddad--people *that* obviously undernourished haven't
"eaten a proper meal" for a hell of a lot more time than "4 days".
> and still kept pushing their
> meager bowls of food towards us relief workers urging us to eat first
> because they knew we had little time to get a meal between helicopter
> drops from the US ships off shore. [...] I gratefully accepted a
> sip now and again.
[9] GAK! Poor, poor, Humanitarian Haddad, accepting the food out of
the hands of literally starving (but, *most* "polite") people because he
feels a bit peckish. Do you know what is unbelievably monstrous about
Haddad? It's that his goal in fabricating this tale was to *impress*
us--THIS is Ray Haddad's idea of what it is to be an amazingly giving
and compassionate person. He is incapable of understanding why the image
he conveys is *so* awful. This is all about Haddad--the suffering people
of Bangladesh serve no purpose in this tale other than to highlight
his..."qualities". Monstrous.
[10] No helicopter drops, no helicopters, no U.S. ships bringing
"the arrival of the first load". U.S. Air Force, C-130. No Haddad.
> [snipped sentence follows. - Ed]
>
> If memory serves me, it was the USS Tarawa loaded down from a supply
> ship that had gotten the rice and carrots in a rapid replenishment from
> Israel.
[11] Not only was the USS Tarawa, an aircraft carrier, not "loaded
down from a supply ship" during the effort, but she was decommissioned a
decade before Haddad was drafted.
> I was in the US Navy at the time and fit as a fiddle. Thinking back on
> those days in Bangladesh, I remember them as rewarding and happy
[12] Gawd, he sounds like one of those idiotic, self-centered
missionaries talking about how rewarding it was to devote some time to
saving the souls of "simple, happy natives".
> but lonely.
[13] Emergency relief workers often dwell on how lonely they feel
during the tragedies of others.
> Seeing those people only a few yards away queuing up for a
> meal was very fulfilling.
[14] <staring> Try again.
> It's not often that one sees the efforts of help so close up.
[15] Especially if one only fantasizes about helping.
> Sometime, during one of my breaks, I gave a pint of blood at the
> American Red Cross center,
[16] Peckish, tired, drowning in imaginary monsoons, and Haddad
*still* gives up his break time to donate blood--and is able to spring
back to work, totin' that barge and liftin' them bales of Israeli rice.
Amazing.
> which sprang up the day I arrived.
[17] Gawd! Country had a huge flood, and the Red Cross is only just
*now* showin' up? Months later? Prolly needed to be inspired by Haddad's
humanitarian efforts.
> Being a
> good carnivore, I missed eating meat and longed for the sight of good,
> red blood even if it was my own. It was my way of controlling how and
> when I spilled my blood.
[18] WTF?
> I spent 4 days there before I returned to my ship.
[19] And, somehow, Haddad was able to be on the USO/Bob Hope 1974
Christmas-Tour-That-NEVER-HAPPENED at this same time, cheering up the US
troops that WEREN'T THERE with... magic tricks.
> I was bedweary but
> not at all unwilling to go back to help. Our ship was moving off
> station to
[20] Bomb Hanoi? Bomb Bob Hope?
> make room for other relief ships arriving even as the
> second of two tropical storms got stuck on the palm trees refusing to
> move.
[21] Not just one, but TWO tropical storms. In December. NEVER
HAPPENED, HADDAD.
> The first food came from the nearest country with the resources and
> the desire to supply the relief. Thanks to the farmers in the Bakkah
> valley and the government of Israel,
[22] Well, no, Haddad, you already said that the U.S. purchased the
amazing morphing sacks of food *from* Israel.
> the Bangladeshi had a warm meal or two.
[23] <trying not to hurl>
> I remember seeing that name on each burlap bag of carrots
[24] Crates. Carrots would have been shipped in crates. Carrots
also have to be kept constantly refrigerated and protected from moisture
during shipping. Shipping carrots to Bangladesh during an emergency
famine wouldn't have made any sense.
> and on the cloth tag swen to each sack of potatoes.
[25] Sending raw potatoes to Bangladesh during an emergency
famine wouldn't have made any sense. Dehydrated potatoes, or potato
flakes, yes, but not raw potatoes.
> Oh, yes. I forgot to mention that some famous Brittish singers showed
> up and sang some songs there.
[26a] Sure. Everyone was sittin' around the campfire and singin'
"Kumbaya" at Camp Bangladesh... while they waited for their potatoes to
roast.
> I forget who they were
[26b] How convenient. Lessee... the Beatles had broken up years
earlier... can't picture Mick Jagger leapin' about there... Queen?
> but they never even lifted a carrot except to eat one or two while complaining about
> the lack of chicken in the soup.
[26c] Not at all like Ray Haddad, Saviour of Bangladesh! Again,
other people exist merely to make Haddad look "better".
> By then, the one uniform I had was so
> filthy, my beard so thick and my face do dirty that they thought I was
> a local and offered me money. No kidding.
[27] 'Course not, Haddad, you never kid. You just always lie.
> I took it and gave it to the pretty Red Cross nurse from India who had
> slurped my blood away.
[28] Gawd.
********* END HADDAD POST *********
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Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
"Every word I have written about
my service time has been absolute fact."
-- Ray Haddad, Fake War Hero
"LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!"
-- Miz Sylvia to Ray Haddad
Ray Haddad
and Sylvia <Syl...@cliffhangerREMOVE.com> instead replied:
>The US Armed Forces *did* lend aid to the people of Bangladesh both of
>the above times. BUT--and this is a HUGE BUT--in both cases, 'twas was
>the Airforce, not Admiral Haddad's Private Navy that brought them
>supplies.
I was in Angeles City at Clark in the Philippines when the general
call came out for volunteers. I went. Spent a few days there doing
what I could. Came back.
Sylvia, you spend a lot of time pretending to correlate "facts" into
tall tales of your own. What is wrong with you?
--
Ray
Ejucaided Redneck
> > If memory serves me, it was the USS Tarawa loaded down from a supply
> > ship that had gotten the rice and carrots in a rapid replenishment from
> > Israel.
>
> [11] Not only was the USS Tarawa, an aircraft carrier, not "loaded
> down from a supply ship" during the effort, but she was decommissioned a
> decade before Haddad was drafted.
There were two Tarawas, neither of which could have been in Bangladesh
in ‘74.
USS Tarawa (CVS 40) was decommissioned in ‘67.
USS Tarawa (LHA 1) was commissioned in ‘76, never did a western Pacific
cruise until ‘79.
> > I spent 4 days there before I returned to my ship.
Which ship? Interesting that he doesn't say.
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Ray Haddad
and Ejucaided Redneck <rls...@mindspring.com> instead replied:
>Sylvia wrote:
>
>> > If memory serves me, it was the USS Tarawa loaded down from a supply
>> > ship that had gotten the rice and carrots in a rapid replenishment from
>> > Israel.
>>
>> [11] Not only was the USS Tarawa, an aircraft carrier, not "loaded
>> down from a supply ship" during the effort, but she was decommissioned a
>> decade before Haddad was drafted.
>
>There were two Tarawas, neither of which could have been in Bangladesh
>in ‘74.
>
>USS Tarawa (CVS 40) was decommissioned in ‘67.
>
> USS Tarawa (LHA 1) was commissioned in ‘76, never did a western Pacific
>cruise until ‘79.
>
>> > I spent 4 days there before I returned to my ship.
>
>Which ship? Interesting that he doesn't say.
I didn't see the ship. I was going by memory of what the discussion
there was at the time. I was in transit (at Clark) waiting for the
ship I was on to arrive in Subic Bay and used some of my time to
volunteer. It was allowed. Actually, it was encouraged. But then,
you probably subscribed to the "never raise your hand" school of
thinking when you were in.
--
Ray
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> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:06:23 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
>
> - Show quoted text -
These people are just envious of you, Ray. They travel from some
Appalachian hick town to the big city and get on the radio, or take a
carriage ride in Central park when they were a kid, and they think
they've been around. They don't have a clue how the world works.
They prolly still think it's flat.
Everyone with a real education knows it's not flat. It has lots of
high mountains and deep rivers. Nothing flat about that.
It Boggles the Brain.
Alan Hope
Took you a while to come up with that. The Bangla Desh question came
up weeks ago.
--
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http://sour-grapes.tumblr.com/
Alan Hope
>But then,
>you probably subscribed to the "never raise your hand" school of
>thinking when you were in.
I could go into detail about why this approach (and your "kicked out
of the service" jibe) is not going to work. Or you could just take my
word for it.
I'm a shrewd judge of what people will buy and what they won't.
Ray Haddad
and Alan Hope <not.al...@mail.com> instead replied:
Presented how? With nonsense? This is the first time she actually
presented something that could even be addressed. Everything else is
baloney made up by Sylvia. She's starting to get into the real data
now. Nothing is different from the way I originally presented it.
--
Ray
Alan Hope
>On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:08:24 +0200, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
>and Alan Hope <not.al...@mail.com> instead replied:
>>Ray Haddad goes:
>>>On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:59:45 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
>>>and Sylvia <Syl...@cliffhangerREMOVE.com> instead replied:
>>>>The US Armed Forces *did* lend aid to the people of Bangladesh both of
>>>>the above times. BUT--and this is a HUGE BUT--in both cases, 'twas was
>>>>the Airforce, not Admiral Haddad's Private Navy that brought them
>>>>supplies.
>>>I was in Angeles City at Clark in the Philippines when the general
>>>call came out for volunteers. I went. Spent a few days there doing
>>>what I could. Came back.
>>>Sylvia, you spend a lot of time pretending to correlate "facts" into
>>>tall tales of your own. What is wrong with you?
>>Took you a while to come up with that. The Bangla Desh question came
>>up weeks ago.
>Presented how?
What, presented how? I didn't use the word "presented". You use it
yourself, at the end of this post. Yet you think it was me. You're
losing it.
>With nonsense? This is the first time she actually
>presented something that could even be addressed.
No. She quoted you before on the Bangla Desh mission, when you saved a
nation.
>Everything else is
>baloney made up by Sylvia.
On the contrary, it's all quotes from your own posts.
>She's starting to get into the real data
>now. Nothing is different from the way I originally presented it.
Except that it is.
But we'll get to that.
Ray Haddad
and Alan Hope <not.al...@mail.com> instead replied:
>Ray Haddad goes:
>
>>On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:08:24 +0200, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
>>and Alan Hope <not.al...@mail.com> instead replied:
>>>Ray Haddad goes:
>>>>On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:59:45 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
>>>>and Sylvia <Syl...@cliffhangerREMOVE.com> instead replied:
>
>>>>>The US Armed Forces *did* lend aid to the people of Bangladesh both of
>>>>>the above times. BUT--and this is a HUGE BUT--in both cases, 'twas was
>>>>>the Airforce, not Admiral Haddad's Private Navy that brought them
>>>>>supplies.
>
>>>>I was in Angeles City at Clark in the Philippines when the general
>>>>call came out for volunteers. I went. Spent a few days there doing
>>>>what I could. Came back.
>
>>>>Sylvia, you spend a lot of time pretending to correlate "facts" into
>>>>tall tales of your own. What is wrong with you?
>
>>>Took you a while to come up with that. The Bangla Desh question came
>>>up weeks ago.
>
>>Presented how?
>
>What, presented how? I didn't use the word "presented". You use it
>yourself, at the end of this post. Yet you think it was me. You're
>losing it.
I asked a valid question. The word was mine but the question still
stands. The question was presented how? By Sylvia taking parts of my
posts and interspersing her comments making them into a new, more
bold commentary that doesn't even come close to what I wrote. In
short, she fictionalizes everything and makes it impossible for me
to address them. Why? Because they are not as they were written.
>>With nonsense? This is the first time she actually
>>presented something that could even be addressed.
>
>No. She quoted you before on the Bangla Desh mission, when you saved a
>nation.
See? I never stated any such thing. Either you made that up to suit
your own crucifixion bent purposes or you bought into Sylvia's lies.
Either way, you look the fool, Alan. I never declared any such
thing. To say she quoted me is simply a bald faced lie.
>>Everything else is
>>baloney made up by Sylvia.
>
>On the contrary, it's all quotes from your own posts.
Rearranged and commented by Sylvia. Nothing new there. I accused her
of doing that a year ago and she never forgave me. Her and Stan went
on for ages about how wrong I was and yet here she is, carrying on
her own libelous traditions. She's a maniac.
>>She's starting to get into the real data
>>now. Nothing is different from the way I originally presented it.
>
>Except that it is.
Nothing is different from the way I presented it. Read what I
actually wrote. Don't read Sylvia's added commentary and call it
what I wrote.
>But we'll get to that.
Go ahead. I can hardly wait.
--
Ray
android
"Alan Hope" <not.al...@mail.com> wrote in message
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alright
at first I was surprised
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honestly i THINK it's wrong
Alan Hope
>>>Presented how?
Presented how? is not a valid question when I said nothing about
presenting anything.
>The question was presented how?
What question?
>By Sylvia taking parts of my
>posts and interspersing her comments making them into a new, more
>bold commentary that doesn't even come close to what I wrote.
Do you deny you wrote it?
>In
>short, she fictionalizes everything and makes it impossible for me
>to address them. Why? Because they are not as they were written.
Post the entire post, then, or a link to the whole thread. Then
everyone can see the real context. Oh no wait, Sylvia already did
that.
>>>With nonsense? This is the first time she actually
>>>presented something that could even be addressed.
>>No. She quoted you before on the Bangla Desh mission, when you saved a
>>nation.
>See? I never stated any such thing.
I know what you said. I read it. Try not to be too literal. I'm hardly
going to look the fucking extract up just so I can quote it both
mockingly and correctly.
>Either you made that up to suit
>your own crucifixion bent purposes or you bought into Sylvia's lies.
My own crucif ... what?
>Either way, you look the fool, Alan. I never declared any such
>thing. To say she quoted me is simply a bald faced lie.
Your entire defence rests on this nitpicking "I never used that word"
argument. I don't care. You're failing to see the woods because of the
twigs. But no-one else is. It's a sort of obfuscation. It doesn't
work.
>>>Everything else is
>>>baloney made up by Sylvia.
>>On the contrary, it's all quotes from your own posts.
>Rearranged and commented by Sylvia.
We can see her comments and your comments, and tell which is which.
Furthermore, it's a simple matter to track down your own post.
>Nothing new there. I accused her
>of doing that a year ago and she never forgave me. Her and Stan went
>on for ages about how wrong I was and yet here she is, carrying on
>her own libelous traditions. She's a maniac.
How exactly does that work? How can someone libel you with your own
words?
>>>She's starting to get into the real data
>>>now. Nothing is different from the way I originally presented it.
>>Except that it is.
>Nothing is different from the way I presented it. Read what I
>actually wrote. Don't read Sylvia's added commentary and call it
>what I wrote.
>>But we'll get to that.
>Go ahead. I can hardly wait.
You have no choice.
Ray Haddad
and "android" <andro...@gmail.com> instead replied:
>"Alan Hope" <not.al...@mail.com> wrote in message
>news:6fi723p9ueouvhnq2...@4ax.com...
>> Ray Haddad goes:
>>
>> >But then,
>> >you probably subscribed to the "never raise your hand" school of
>> >thinking when you were in.
>>
>> I could go into detail about why this approach (and your "kicked out
>> of the service" jibe) is not going to work. Or you could just take my
>> word for it.
>>
>> I'm a shrewd judge of what people will buy and what they won't.
>>
>alright
>at first I was surprised
>http://click.adultsingles.com/partner/click.asp?id=72473&site=ads&typ=click
>
>honestly i THINK it's wrong
Looks like it would be a good place for you to go, Hope. Let me know
what you find there.
--
Ray
Ray Haddad
Sylvia's questions you moron.
>>By Sylvia taking parts of my
>>posts and interspersing her comments making them into a new, more
>>bold commentary that doesn't even come close to what I wrote.
>
>Do you deny you wrote it?
I didn't write Sylvia's words. I deny writing them as Sylvia
presents them. She changes them. Just like you. I can see why you
two are thick as thieves, Alan.
>>In
>>short, she fictionalizes everything and makes it impossible for me
>>to address them. Why? Because they are not as they were written.
>
>Post the entire post, then, or a link to the whole thread. Then
>everyone can see the real context. Oh no wait, Sylvia already did
>that.
I already did. What's wrong with you? Are you daft?
>>>>With nonsense? This is the first time she actually
>>>>presented something that could even be addressed.
>
>>>No. She quoted you before on the Bangla Desh mission, when you saved a
>>>nation.
>
>>See? I never stated any such thing.
>
>I know what you said. I read it. Try not to be too literal. I'm hardly
>going to look the fucking extract up just so I can quote it both
>mockingly and correctly.
Then read what I wrote again. Just what I wrote. Not Sylvia's
commentary which is a pack of lies. She knows it. You know it. The
readers here are getting the idea now. Sylvia has some sort of
vendetta going on. You have a crucifixion-bent motive keeping you
going. This isn't about me and probably never was. It's all about
you getting me to run away leaving you to declare how evil I was.
I will never back away from my statements. They are all true. Thus
far, there are only questions asked and unanswered that are the
basis for your accusations and nothing more. If anyone should go
away, it's you and Sylvia.
>>Either you made that up to suit
>>your own crucifixion bent purposes or you bought into Sylvia's lies.
>
>My own crucif ... what?
You're the one who stated you think it's fine to crucify someone
here on MW. Are you telling me that was Fundoc now?
>>Either way, you look the fool, Alan. I never declared any such
>>thing. To say she quoted me is simply a bald faced lie.
>
>Your entire defence rests on this nitpicking "I never used that word"
>argument. I don't care. You're failing to see the woods because of the
>twigs. But no-one else is. It's a sort of obfuscation. It doesn't
>work.
You don't care? Oh, dear. The truth doesn't matter to you. Only what
you care does. Why not use those twigs in your next phase that goes
beyond crucifixion? Try burning at the stake. Wouldn't be the first
time the village burned an innocent person.
>>>>Everything else is
>>>>baloney made up by Sylvia.
>
>>>On the contrary, it's all quotes from your own posts.
>
>>Rearranged and commented by Sylvia.
>
>We can see her comments and your comments, and tell which is which.
>Furthermore, it's a simple matter to track down your own post.
Then go ahead. I know what I wrote. I did write them, after all. So
go and read them as they were presented not as Sylvia presents them
2 years on.
>>Nothing new there. I accused her
>>of doing that a year ago and she never forgave me. Her and Stan went
>>on for ages about how wrong I was and yet here she is, carrying on
>>her own libelous traditions. She's a maniac.
>
>How exactly does that work? How can someone libel you with your own
>words?
It's her additional words and the rearranging of my statements that
becomes the libel, Alan. If I use your own words above and state
that you wrote: "Someone can libel you with your own words." Is that
quoting you in the literal sense? In any sense?
>>>>She's starting to get into the real data
>>>>now. Nothing is different from the way I originally presented it.
>
>>>Except that it is.
>
>>Nothing is different from the way I presented it. Read what I
>>actually wrote. Don't read Sylvia's added commentary and call it
>>what I wrote.
>
>>>But we'll get to that.
>
>>Go ahead. I can hardly wait.
>
>You have no choice.
It'll be a long wait. Unless you choose to lie again.
--
Ray
Ejucaided Redneck
>
> >> > I spent 4 days there before I returned to my ship.
> >
> >Which ship? Interesting that he doesn't say.
>
> I didn't see the ship. I was going by memory of what the discussion
> there was at the time. I was in transit (at Clark) waiting for the
> ship I was on to arrive in Subic Bay and used some of my time to
> volunteer. It was allowed. Actually, it was encouraged. But then,
> you probably subscribed to the "never raise your hand" school of
> thinking when you were in.
To include idle Naval personnel in an Air Force humanitarian mission
would have been extremely complicated, Haddud, and didn't happen.
Even the relatively small requirement of updating your shot card woulda
ruled you out.
--
All women become like their
mothers. That is their tragedy.
No man does. That's his.
-- Oscar Wilde
Ray Haddad
and Ejucaided Redneck <rls...@mindspring.com> instead replied:
>Ray Haddad wrote:
>>
>> >> > I spent 4 days there before I returned to my ship.
>> >
>> >Which ship? Interesting that he doesn't say.
>>
>> I didn't see the ship. I was going by memory of what the discussion
>> there was at the time. I was in transit (at Clark) waiting for the
>> ship I was on to arrive in Subic Bay and used some of my time to
>> volunteer. It was allowed. Actually, it was encouraged. But then,
>> you probably subscribed to the "never raise your hand" school of
>> thinking when you were in.
>
>To include idle Naval personnel in an Air Force humanitarian mission
>would have been extremely complicated, Haddud, and didn't happen.
>
>Even the relatively small requirement of updating your shot card woulda
>ruled you out.
Nonsense. I was already in transit awaiting further travel. I had 15
days waiting time. You know what that's like. The shot card was
always up to date for us whenever we moved overseas and you know it.
--
Ray
Sylvia
.
> Sylvia wrote:
> > Ray Haddad wrote:
.
> > > If memory serves me, it was the USS Tarawa loaded down from a supply
> > > ship that had gotten the rice and carrots in a rapid replenishment from
> > > Israel.
.
> > [11] Not only was the USS Tarawa, an aircraft carrier, not "loaded
> > down from a supply ship" during the effort, but she was decommissioned a
> > decade before Haddad was drafted.
.
> There were two Tarawas, neither of which could have been in Bangladesh
> in '74.
>
> USS Tarawa (CVS 40) was decommissioned in '67.
With all due respect, Mr. ER, yer incorrect about that last year (not
that it affects the validity of yer point) . Her name was struck from
the Navy list in 1967; she was decommissioned in 1960, ten years before
Haddad was drafted.
> USS Tarawa (LHA 1) was commissioned in '76, never did a western Pacific
> cruise until '79.
Yuppers.
> > > I spent 4 days there before I returned to my ship.
.
> Which ship? Interesting that he doesn't say.
Pffft! (r) Even more interestin' that he's avoided sayin' *when*, other
than the year. 'Course he busted either way.
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
"Funny thing about that was, the guy was in the US Navy
for like 20 years. Big-time high-rolling Hearst-like
capitalist magnate spent his whole working life being
spoonfed with government pay-cheques. A whole career
of yes-sir, no-sir, and now he's coming on all captain of
industry."
-- Mr. Hope re: Ray Haddad's Career(s) Claim
Ejucaided Redneck
> >Even the relatively small requirement of updating your shot card woulda
> >ruled you out.
>
> Nonsense. I was already in transit awaiting further travel. I had 15
> days waiting time. You know what that's like. The shot card was
> always up to date for us whenever we moved overseas and you know it.
Shot cards were up to date for where you were going. Personnel headed
for Europe got a whole different set of shots than those going to Asia,
and there was an entirely different "recipe" for other parts of the
world. Anyone going into a disaster area where all sorts of nasties
could be encountered would have been inoculated for them.
An electronics technician wouldn't have been matter-of-factly inoculated
against the bugs likely to be encountered in a flooded area where lots
of people --and livestock-- had been dying for a while. I'm no doctor,
but I know some of those shots took a while to work; it wasn't "Roll up
your sleeve and you're good to go, hero."
You looking stupider all the time, Haddock.
--
How many legs does a dog have if you
count his tail as a leg? Four. You can call
a tail a leg if you want to, but that doesn't
make it a leg.
-- Abraham Lincoln
Ray Haddad
and Ejucaided Redneck <rls...@mindspring.com> instead replied:
>Ray Haddad wrote:
>
>> >Even the relatively small requirement of updating your shot card woulda
>> >ruled you out.
>>
>> Nonsense. I was already in transit awaiting further travel. I had 15
>> days waiting time. You know what that's like. The shot card was
>> always up to date for us whenever we moved overseas and you know it.
>
>Shot cards were up to date for where you were going. Personnel headed
>for Europe got a whole different set of shots than those going to Asia,
>and there was an entirely different "recipe" for other parts of the
>world. Anyone going into a disaster area where all sorts of nasties
>could be encountered would have been inoculated for them.
>
>An electronics technician wouldn't have been matter-of-factly inoculated
>against the bugs likely to be encountered in a flooded area where lots
>of people --and livestock-- had been dying for a while. I'm no doctor,
>but I know some of those shots took a while to work; it wasn't "Roll up
>your sleeve and you're good to go, hero."
My point exactly. I traveled a lot back then. Around the world,
even. In Asia, even. In Europe, even. In Africa, even.
>You looking stupider all the time, Haddock.
Not at all. I already addressed these points by telling you my shot
record was up to date. You took it upon yourself to remind me of
what it took to have an up to date shot record. Nobody made you do
that. Your presumptions lead you to make yourself look stupid, Bob.
--
Ray
Ejucaided Redneck
> My point exactly. I traveled a lot back then. Around the world,
> even. In Asia, even. In Europe, even. In Africa, even.
Haddud, you're completely out there in fantasyland now.
--
"America is conservative in fundamental
principles. . . but the principles conserved
are liberal, and some, indeed, are radical."
Gunnar Myrdal, _An American Dilemma_
Ejucaided Redneck
> With all due respect, Mr. ER, yer incorrect about that last year (not
> that it affects the validity of yer point) . Her name was struck from
> the Navy list in 1967; she was decommissioned in 1960, ten years before
> Haddad was drafted.
You're right.
Too-shay.
--
If he was to preach today like he preached in Galilee,
they would lay Jesus Christ in his grave all over again.
-- Woody Guthrie, speaking
of the "conservatives" of his day
Ray Haddad
and Ejucaided Redneck <rls...@mindspring.com> instead replied:
>Ray Haddad wrote:
>
>> My point exactly. I traveled a lot back then. Around the world,
>> even. In Asia, even. In Europe, even. In Africa, even.
>
>Haddud, you're completely out there in fantasyland now.
Oh, dear. Show me your great expertise in determining this amazing
factoid based on your many, many years of experience as a PN working
as a YN while working for an admiral. You were a desk jockey.
--
Ray
$Zero
> Show me
> your great
>
> expertise
-$Zero...
Sylvia
.
.
> > >> > I spent 4 days there before I returned to my ship.
.
> > >Which ship? Interesting that he doesn't say.
.
> > I didn't see the ship.
<aside>
They took Haddad back onboard his ship with him *blindfolded*? That
doesn't sound as if he were a crew member to me... not anymore, anyway.
Oooh! Wait! I know! Haddad was ALSO the Navy's Champion Pinata Player!
Bet he got a medal for it--prolly an Olympic medal.
<considering>
More likely he was the Navy's Champion Pinata/Chew Toy--and they were
gonna make him walk the plank just for giggles.
</aside>
What a weasel. Which ship did you *return to*, Haddad?
> > I was going by memory of what the discussion
> > there was at the time.
LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!
"I know for an absolute fact that the US bought carrots and
potatoes from Israel during the Bangladesh flooding in 1974.
I know this because I was personally unloading bags of both[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/2uts4f
You *personally* unloaded the magic morphing food, yet you insist, "I
didn't see the ship"?
"They hadn't eaten a proper meal in 4 days and still kept
pushing their meager bowls of food towards us relief
workers urging us to eat first because they knew we had
little time to get a meal between helicopter drops from
the US ships off shore. If memory serves me, it was the
USS Tarawa loaded down from a supply ship that had gotten
the rice and carrots in a rapid replenishment from Israel.
I gratefully accepted a sip now and again."
<aside>
Musta been blinded by his own tears, just thinkin' about the "politeness
of those in [...] most desperate need" insisting that a relief worker
"in the US Navy at the time and fit as a fiddle" eat what he needed from
their "meager bowls of food" before they did. Before their children did.
'Cause, golly, they knew Haddad had to keep up his strength in order to
rush back and unload that invisible ship some more.
BTW, I forgot to note earlier how, after Haddad morphed the carrots and
potatoes into rice, he then morphed the rice into a third combination:
"rice and carrots". He just can't let go of his fantasy of the great
rice paddies blossoming across the arid land of Israel.
</aside>
> > I was in transit (at Clark) waiting for the ship I was on to arrive in Subic Bay
Pssst! Haddad! Watch it! You already said you were on the USS Range then.
> > and used some of my time to volunteer. It was allowed. Actually, it
> > was encouraged.
Yeah... that's the ticket...
<aside>
Many people are not aware that the US Navy operates in the manner of Cub
Scout clubs. Haddad musta been workin' on his Outstanding Humanitarian
Badge/Medal. That's how ya earn medals in the military, doncha know.
</aside>
> > But then, you probably subscribed to the "never raise your hand"
> > school of thinking when you were in.
Just how many hands did you have, Haddad? According to your posts, you
were Haddad the Humanitarian and Haddad the USO Magician at the *same*
time. Did Mr. Bob Hope decide to entertain the people of Bangladesh? Did
he bring the "famous Brittish singers" that you claimed performed for
the starving masses? Oh, and you were with the USS Ranger, too,
remember? You had "resumed bombing" of Hanoi and all?
> To include idle Naval personnel
"Idle"?! Gawd, Mr. ER, how could ya say such a thing about Ray Haddad,
"He Who Earned Combat Medals"? Ray Haddad, who said... wait a sec...
<selecting CD track>
<"America the Beautiful" starts to play>
'K. Ray Haddad, who modestly said:
"I'm a Republican to prove my patriotism. That and my
22 years of voluntary and honorable military service to
the United States of America doing my bit to preserve
your freedoms allows me to call myself a patriot."
<wiping away petite tear>
"Doing my bit to preserve your freedoms"! Gawd! That gets me every time!
'Scuse, I gotta get some fresh air or I'm gonna hurl.
<scampering off>
> in an Air Force humanitarian mission would have been extremely
> complicated, Haddud, and didn't happen.
<scampering back>
'K, tummy's under control again, thenkyew. What I miss?
<reading Mr. ER's last sentence>
Well, mebbe Haddad showed them his previous US Navy Wolf Pack #183
medals wot he earned... the Air Force woulda been impressed, right?
Especially since he was busy bombing Hanoi while everyone else in the US
Armed Forces slacked off? Not only slacked off, but they all left
Vietnam almost two years earlier! They could have at least gone back
there for Haddad's 1973 and 1974 USO Christmas shows... he's so proud of
those shows (and of his US Navy Paper Drive Volunteer in a Combat Zone
Medal).
> Even the relatively small requirement of updating your shot card woulda
> ruled you out.
Shots? Haddad didn't need no stinkin' shots! Disease wouldn't *dare* go
past them shiny Earned Medals.
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
Meanwhile, back at the MW Archives:
HADDAD: "I despise Kerry's actions and consider him a traitor.
" > >> His lies about his service back then..."
Mr. $Zero: "Gawd. you're hopeless."
HADDAD: "Kerry lied. He's the hopeless one.
" > >> and his lack of honor"
Mr. $Zero: "as if you have the least bit clue what that is."
$Zero
> > > I was going by memory of what the discussion
> > > there was at the time.
>
> LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!
better watch out there, Sylvia.
if you "persist" in taking Ray and his pathetic lies to task, the
"hero" has now threatened to come out of "retirement" and gleefully
kill your womanly ass -- because he's so brave and "unreformed".
better start shaking in your petite girly boots.
the "honorable" "magician" "MAN" is getting very pissed at you for
using the Free Speech rights that he so *bravely* put his life on the
line to defend for you.
just because he's a lying weasel cowardly valor thief who picks on
people that he thinks are helpless, and has stated that he has
"absolutely no regrets" whatsoever about the killings of hundreds of
thousands of innocent people (that instead, he LOVES it and REVELS in
it), doesn't mean that you can use your Free Speech rights to talk
about what a stupid fucking weaselly twat that he is.
hell no.
shut your mouth, Sylvia!
presto!
-$Zero...
Doug Reese
> there for Haddad's 1973 and 1974 USO Christmas shows... he's so proud of
> those shows (and of his US Navy Paper Drive Volunteer in a Combat Zone
> Medal).
>
> > Even the relatively small requirement of updating your shot card woulda
> > ruled you out.
>
> Shots? Haddad didn't need no stinkin' shots! Disease wouldn't *dare* go
> past them shiny Earned Medals.
> --
> Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
>
> Meanwhile, back at the MW Archives:
>
>
> " > >> His lies about his service back then..."
>
> Mr. $Zero: "Gawd. you're hopeless."
>
>
> " > >> and his lack of honor"
>
> Mr. $Zero: "as if you have the least bit clue what that is."
Greetings from Saigon,
Normally I'd be commenting on what was said about Kerry, but the other
Vietnam-related stuff interests me.
Am I to understand that Mr. Haddad was over here in 1973 and/or 1974?
If so, in what capacity?
I'm dizzy from reading all the other claims/comments, so please stick
to these two questions :)
Doug Reese
Sylvia
Ray Haddad <rha...@iexpress.net.au> wrote:
.
> Ejucaided Redneck instead replied:
> >Ray Haddad wrote:
.
> >> >> > I spent 4 days there before I returned to my ship.
> >> >
> >> >Which ship? Interesting that he doesn't say.
> >>
> >> I didn't see the ship.
Which ship did you return to? Unit?
> >> I was going by memory of what the discussion
> >> there was at the time. I was in transit (at Clark) waiting for the
> >> ship I was on to arrive in Subic Bay and used some of my time to
> >> volunteer. It was allowed. Actually, it was encouraged.
> >To include idle Naval personnel in an Air Force humanitarian mission
> >would have been extremely complicated, Haddud, and didn't happen.
<aside>
Other than Haddad off bombing Hanoi from the USS Ranger about that same
time (late 1974), the Vietnam war was over as far as US involvement. I
find it hard to believe that the United States Air Force would have had
to turn to the Navy for volunteers. I'm kinda thinkin' that Air Force
Peeps were pretty good at picking up loads of stuff in one place, and
dropping it off elsewhere.
This was an *emergency*. What are the chances that the C-130 crew would
take time to round up (and pick up) volunteers from other services,
anyway?
</aside>
> >Even the relatively small requirement of updating your shot card woulda
> >ruled you out.
> Nonsense. I was already in transit awaiting further travel. I had 15
> days waiting time. You know what that's like. The shot card was
> always up to date for us whenever we moved overseas and you know it.
"I will simply state that doing USO shows was not all that I did
for my time in service. I did that during my own, voluntary time when
others took vacation. Instead of using all of my
annual leave to go home, I spent some of it entertaining my fellow
troops. I did that as an unpaid volunteer over the Christmas holidays
for only 3 years. We got 30 days vacation each year. I used 15 days of
it for the USO tours and got an additional 15 days of what was called
Temporary Additional Duty."
-- Ray Haddad re: his fantasy USO Christmas
Tours (1971-1974)
So, startin' with yer very first tour of Vietnam, the Navy granted you,
a newbie sailor, 30 days off around Christmas. Boy, Howdy, you sure had
a lot of pull, Haddad--especially for a draftee. 'K, so, if you were
stationed in Vietnam, what the heck were ya doin' hanging around the
Philippines? "Ranger". "Bombing Hanoi". Remember? *And* you were touring
Asia on yer USO/Bob Hope Christmas Tour then, as well.
Damn, Haddad, how *do* you find the time? It ain't fair that you get
more weeks per month than everyone else.
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
Mr. Bob Sloan: "You're making up history, Haddad."
---------------------------------------------------
Mr. $Zero: "why would i brag about something that never happened?"
HADDAD: "Because you're not afraid to lie in front of anyone who
wishes to see your lies. Xero, you're nothing
but pathetic, mate."
Ejucaided Redneck
>
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:46:23 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
> and Ejucaided Redneck <rls...@mindspring.com> instead replied:
>
> >Ray Haddad wrote:
> >
> >> My point exactly. I traveled a lot back then. Around the world,
> >> even. In Asia, even. In Europe, even. In Africa, even.
> >
> >Haddud, you're completely out there in fantasyland now.
> You were a desk jockey.
Yeah, I was. "Titless WAVE" was another phrase for it. And when it
came clear to me driving assault boats was a job for a young guy fulla
piss and vinegar (which I was fresh out of, after my first hitch), I
snatched the opportunity to do a lateral transfer.
I worked with a typewriter, in an office.
You worked with soldering irons and tech manuals, in an electronics
shop.
Everybody had a job, and most are content to acknowledge that, and don't
feel constrained to clumsily embellish their time in service.
You can't do that.
--
So many minority youths had volunteered...that there was
literally no room for patriotic folks like myself.
--Tom DeLay, explaining at the 1988 GOP convention
why he and vice presidential nominee Dan Quayle did
not fight in the Vietnam War
Sylvia
> Sylvia wrote:
> > Meanwhile, back at the MW Archives:
> >
> > HADDAD: "I despiseKerry'sactions and consider him a traitor.
> >
> > " > >> His lies about his service back then..."
> >
> > Mr. $Zero: "Gawd. you're hopeless."
> >
> > HADDAD: "Kerrylied. He's the hopeless one.
> >
> > " > >> and his lack of honor"
> >
> > Mr. $Zero: "as if you have the least bit clue what that is."
.
> Greetings from Saigon,
<waving>
Howdy from the World of MW.
> Normally I'd be commenting on what was said about Kerry, but the other
> Vietnam-related stuff interests me.
That ain't about Kerry, it's about Ray Haddad slamming someone else for
"his lies about his service", while lying about his own <koff!>
"military career" for years.
> Am I to understand that Mr. Haddad was over here in 1973 and/or 1974?
> If so, in what capacity?
<whispering>
Haddad was on a super secret mission in late 1974 while on the USS
Ranger--he bombed Hanoi for President Ford. Mum's the word, 'K?
</whispering>
Haddad claims he and Mr. Bob Hope entertained our troops in Vietnam (and
elsewhere) in 1972, 1973, and 1974.
See:" Fall of the House of Cards: PART II -- Ray Haddad's USO Years"
http://tinyurl.com/3xucwv
For more Vietnam (and other military) related stuff, see:
"Fall of the House of Cards: PART III -- Ray Haddad's 'Military Career'"
http://tinyurl.com/2r28mf
> I'm dizzy from reading all the other claims/comments, so please stick
> to these two questions :)
'K.
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
Miz Sylvia: "<flourish of kazoos>
"RAY 'I was there in 1972, 1973 and 1974' HADDAD,
self-proclaimed 22-year US Naval HERO,
winner of military MEDALS, VIETNAM COMBAT VET, etc.
"Had no idea that:
" 1) Most of our US troops LEFT Vietnam in 1972.
2) All but the embassy guard left in 1973.
3) There were *no* USO Christmas tours in Vietnam
1973 and 1974.
4) The 1972 USO Christmas tour traveled only to
two (2) of the six (6) places Haddad claimed
they visited. (That certainly *would* have
been an impressive magic act.) "
$Zero
> Go ahead.
>
> I can hardly wait.
-$Zero...
Doug Reese
> Doug Reesewrote:
Well, there certainly wasn't any bombing of Hanoi in 1974.
And as for being here 1972-72, he could only have done that if he was
a Marine guard at the embassy, or somehow working at the Defense
Attache office, Naval Attache office, etc. The people there, as far as
I know, were civilians.
And a person certainly could have been here as a civilian -- I was, in
1974 and 1975. But he isn't claiming that, is he?
Actually, we did have some military types over here (after the others
left in 1972 and early 1973), up until the end. And I'm not talking
about embassy guards. I'm not going to say what they were doing (it's
no secret), but that is one way Ray could have been here during those
years -- I just don't think they had Navy guys in those positions.
Doug Reese
PS. By the way, Kerry didn't lie about his service --- sorry, I
couldn't help myself :)
- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Stan (the Man)
news:1176834102.2...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> Well, there certainly wasn't any bombing of Hanoi in 1974.
Get out! You're shittin' us! Really?!
<...>
--
Stan
Bill Oliver
>PS. By the way, Kerry didn't lie about his service --- sorry, I
>couldn't help myself :)
>
Yes he did, and yes you could.
billo
Stan (the Man)
@corp.supernews.com:
Saaaaaaay, there was a guy used to post 'round these chere parts used the
same sig as you. Know 'im?
--
Stan
Ray Haddad
and Ejucaided Redneck <rls...@mindspring.com> instead replied:
>Ray Haddad wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:46:23 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
>> and Ejucaided Redneck <rls...@mindspring.com> instead replied:
>>
>> >Ray Haddad wrote:
>> >
>> >> My point exactly. I traveled a lot back then. Around the world,
>> >> even. In Asia, even. In Europe, even. In Africa, even.
>> >
>> >Haddud, you're completely out there in fantasyland now.
>
>> You were a desk jockey.
>
>Yeah, I was. "Titless WAVE" was another phrase for it. And when it
>came clear to me driving assault boats was a job for a young guy fulla
>piss and vinegar (which I was fresh out of, after my first hitch), I
>snatched the opportunity to do a lateral transfer.
>
>I worked with a typewriter, in an office.
>
>You worked with soldering irons and tech manuals, in an electronics
>shop.
>
>Everybody had a job, and most are content to acknowledge that, and don't
>feel constrained to clumsily embellish their time in service.
>
>You can't do that.
Then you really shouldn't, Bob. I didn't.
--
Ray
Sylvia
.
> Sylvia wrote:
> > Doug Reesewrote:
> > > Sylvia wrote:
>> <...>
> > > Am I to understand that Mr. Haddad was over here in 1973 and/or 1974?
> > > If so, in what capacity?
> > <whispering>
> > Haddad was on a super secret mission in late 1974 while on the USS
> > Ranger--he bombed Hanoi for President Ford. Mum's the word, 'K?
> > </whispering>
> > Miz Sylvia: "<flourish of kazoos>
> >
> > "RAY 'I was there in 1972, 1973 and 1974' HADDAD,
> > self-proclaimed 22-year US Naval HERO,
> > winner of military MEDALS, VIETNAM COMBAT VET, etc.
> >
> > "Had no idea that:
> >
> > " 1) Most of our US troops LEFT Vietnam in 1972.
> > 2) All but the embassy guard left in 1973.
> > 3) There were *no* USO Christmas tours in Vietnam
> > 1973 and 1974.
> > 4) The 1972 USO Christmas tour traveled only to
> > two (2) of the six (6) places Haddad claimed
> > they visited. (That certainly *would* have
> > been an impressive magic act.) "
> Well, there certainly wasn't any bombing of Hanoi in 1974.
<deeply offended>
How dare you, you... you... non-believer! I've dealt with yer type
before. From an earlier (Official) MW Press Conference:
HADDAD: "I made a statement here which I believed to
be easily verified. Specifically, about the US
bombing Hanoi again in 1974."
Miz Sylvia: "Specifically, about Haddad, on the USS Ranger,
bombing Hanoi again in 1974."
HADDAD: "Yes, after the Paris Peace Accords were signed.
I know it happened. I was there. I also have, to
my surprise, found no reference to it on the
Internet."
Miz Sylvia: "<SHOCKED!> What can this mean?!
"<scampering about in panic>
"CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!"
HADDAD: "The dancing in the street over Nixon resigning
may have overshadowed the event but somewhere
there will be a record of it. I'll find it."
Miz Sylvia: "Yeah, that's the ticket. President Ford figured
that would be a great time to bomb Hanoi, 'cause
who'd notice? I mean, our involvement in the
Vietnam war ended before he got to be Commander
in Chief, and, dammit, he *so* had wanted to bomb
SOMETHING!"
Neener!
> And as for being here 1972-72, he could only have done that if he was
> a Marine guard at the embassy, or somehow working at the Defense
> Attache office, Naval Attache office, etc. The people there, as far as
> I know, were civilians.
You don't know Haddad's mysterious capabilities! Besides the Navy, we've
found him servin' with the Marines *and* with the Air Force.
> And a person certainly could have been here as a civilian -- I was, in
> 1974 and 1975. But he isn't claiming that, is he?
<koff> Well... yeah. Kinda, sorta:
"In the early 1970s, I was actively involved in
entertaining overseas deployed troops during
the Vietnam war by traveling with the United
Services Organization Pacific Theater of
Operation tour." -- Ray Haddad
http://www.rayhaddad.com/?page_id=2
> Actually, we did have some military types over here (after the others
> left in 1972 and early 1973), up until the end. And I'm not talking
> about embassy guards.
SHADDAP! Don't say it! The ENEMY will hear ya!
> I'm not going to say what they were doing (it's no secret), but that
> is one way Ray could have been here during those years -- I just
> don't think they had Navy guys in those positions.
Oh. Well, see, you don't know about the SUPER SECRET MISSIONS.
> PS. By the way, Kerry didn't lie about his service ---
Shaddap! What Kerry did or did not do is irrelephant here! I am quotin'
Haddad. Read it as "John FakeName lied about his service", 'K?
> sorry, I couldn't help myself :)
Watch it. I can order you Die at Dawn, doncha know.
I can. Really.
Did you know that my BIRTHDAY is almost here? April 23rd. Make a note of
it. I expect lots of EXCELLENT PRESENTS.
'K, I don't see ya makin' a note of it. NOT a suggestion, innit.
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
Mr. Pillock: "Ray, who was your swim-buddy? [...]
There's no need for .pdf files of official
documents, etc. Just answer a few basic
questions."
HADDAD: "As you can imagine, my personal details
on my relevant data are dangerous in
the wrong hands."
Miz Sylvia: "Which units? During what year(s)? Where
was he stationed? During what year(s)?
Photos? Not 'zactly information that's gonna
destroy national security and bring down the
Free World.
"Ahem... WHICH combat medals?"
[Still waitin' on Haddad to answer any of it]
Sylvia
> Doug Reese wrote in
.
> > Well, there certainly wasn't any bombing of Hanoi in 1974.
.
> Get out! You're shittin' us! Really?!
summabitch!
<grabbing (Official) MW PA system microphone>
"DAMAGE CONTROL! DAMAGE CONTROL! Code... code..
ummm...
<consulting calendar, checking code book>
Code Puce! I repeat, Code Puce!"
Eeeeew! Who's pickin' these colors, anyway?
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
"The US did resume bombing Hanoi in 1974. Look it up.
Unlike my life story, that item IS posted on the web
in a number of places."
-- Ray Haddad, Fake War Hero
$Zero
> >PS. By the way,Kerry didn't lie about his service --- sorry, I
> >couldn't help myself :)
>
> Yes he did, and yes you could.
in regards to his service, what did Kerry lie about?
-$Zero...
Doug Reese
wrote:
> b...@radix.net (Bill Oliver) wrote in news:132a6kcmri5gt21
Yes, but shhhh, I'm trying to go undercover.
Doug Reese
> --
> Stan
Doug Reese
No, he didn't, and no I couldn't . . . honest.
Doug Reese
> billo
Sylvia
<...>
> Yes, but shhhh, I'm trying to go undercover.
Ooooh! SUPER SECRET MISSION, innit? How excitin'!
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
"Many people don't see that charm. I'm thinking I'm going to
start hitting the shit out of them until they see my charm."
- The Charming Miz deMedicis
Sylvia
> (Bill Oliver) wrote:
.
> > >PS. By the way, Kerry didn't lie about his service --- sorry, I
> > >couldn't help myself :)
.
> > Yes he did, and yes you could.
.
> No, he didn't, and no I couldn't . . . honest.
<eye roll>
did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did!
didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't!
did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did!
didn't! sez who? me! who are you? who are you?! ummm.. yeah? You and
whose army? I dare ya! I double dog dare ya! I triple dog dare ya!
<a hush falls over the crowd>
yeah, well you're a poopyhead! you're a poopy-dope-head! oh, real
mature, I'm suuure! look who's talkin! so just who are you, then?
ummm... heck! shaddap! no, you shaddap! I said it first! didn't! did!
didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't!
did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! did! didn't! I never read yer
posts anyway! yes yo do! no, I don't! do! don't! do! don't! do! don't!
do! don't! yer too beneath me to contemplate! contemplate this! yer so
dumb you don't know what "contemplate" means! IKYABWAI? gawd! LOLR!
taken yer meds lately? I'm not insane, you're insane! am not! are! am
not! are! no one here likes you! how would you know? no one here ever
talks to you! liar! you're the liar! lots of peeps talk to me! lurker
email? noooo! right here! oh, yer *gang*, huh? I don't have a gang, I
can't help it if you tick off everyone! I do not! yes you do! do not!
do! do not! do! do not! do! do not! do! you're old! you're overweight!
you've never seen me! I don't care, if I say it's so, it's so! isn't!
is! so! isn't! is! so! isn't! is! so! isn't! is!
<opponents fall over in exhaustion>
Alrighty, then. Just wanted to get that over as soon as possible.
Thenkyew.
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
"They can all go eat rat heads."
- Mr. Penrose in MW
Stan (the Man)
Well, I wasn't talking to you, but whatever.
--
Stan
Doug Reese
wrote:
That's what I get for posting in the middle of the night.
Doug Reese
> --
> Stan- Hide quoted text -
Doug Reese
At this point, the anti-Kerry types usually come up with the all-
important bit about Cambodia. That's about the best they can do, as
his actual service in Vietnam (in particular, the medals he earned) is
backed up by every guy who served on his boat . . . . . and the
overwhelming number of guys who were present, but not actually on
Kerry's boat.
Doug Reese
> -$Zero...
Sylvia
.
> Sylvia wrote:
> > Ray Haddad wrote:
.
> > > > I was going by memory of what the discussion
> > > > there was at the time.
> > LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!
.
> better watch out there, Sylvia.
Watch what? I'm busy watchin' Sir Harvey play.
> if you "persist" in taking Ray and his pathetic lies to task, the
> "hero" has now threatened to come out of "retirement" and gleefully
> kill your womanly ass -- because he's so brave and "unreformed".
<reaching into basket of replies> <tossing reply>
"I taught of the Catholic Church doctrine [...] I taught of
remaining in the state of grace never knowning when we
would have to face our Maker."
- Ray Haddad preaching in MW
Way to stay in a state of grace, Haddad.
> better start shaking in your petite girly boots.
Fer gawd's sake, this is TEXAS! I don't own any girly boots. Lookit:
http://tinyurl.com/2ocbqd
> the "honorable" "magician" "MAN" is getting very pissed at you for
> using the Free Speech rights that he so *bravely* put his life on the
> line to defend for you.
<chortle>
> just because he's a lying weasel cowardly valor thief who picks on
> people that he thinks are helpless,
<eyes well up with tiny tears>
He's just plain mean!
</tiny tears>
Oh, wait! He's a coward, too.
Haddad: "No matter what I write here,"
Miz Sylvia: "Try giving a straight answer. You've *never*
answered the question."
Haddad: "It leads to more and more of your inquisition."
Miz Sylvia: "<amused> You consider a Petite Peep postin'
the question '*Which* medals did you receive,
Haddad?' an 'inquisition'? *You*? Mr. Decorated
Combat Veteran?
"[1] What would you rate my question on an
Inquisition Scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being 'Owie'
and 10 being 'OMG! STOP THE PAIN! I'LL
TALK! I'LL TELL YOU ANYTHING!'?
"[2] Have you awarded yerself a medal for
the pain and suffering of being asked about
yer medals?
"[3] BOO! <chortle!> "
> and has stated that he has "absolutely no regrets" whatsoever about
> the killings of hundreds of thousands of innocent people (that
> instead, he LOVES it and REVELS in it),
<nodding>
"The archive will confirm." -- Mr. RJM
> doesn't mean that you can use your Free Speech rights to talk
> about what a stupid fucking weaselly twat that he is.
>
> hell no.
Oh.
> shut your mouth, Sylvia!
Can't--it's time for my tasty breakfast!
> presto!
Remind me to be terrified later, 'K?
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
"You're just too afraid to answer because you'll
appear to be the fool you actually are when
discussing the military. Be silent now or lose
all dignity."
-- Ray Haddad in MW
Sylvia
.
> Ray Haddad wrote:
.
> > >ruled you out.
.
> > Nonsense. I was already in transit awaiting further travel. I had 15
> > days waiting time. You know what that's like.
Well, duh! We already know that Mr. ER knows. It's you, Haddad. that
don't.
> > The shot card was always up to date for us whenever we moved
> > overseas and you know it.
Pffft! (r) As if you ever never denied knowing about this stuff. Kinda
missin'... kinda dodgin' yer point, ain't he, Mr. ER?
> Shot cards were up to date for where you were going. Personnel headed
> for Europe got a whole different set of shots than those going to Asia,
> and there was an entirely different "recipe" for other parts of the
> world. Anyone going into a disaster area where all sorts of nasties
> could be encountered would have been inoculated for them.
>
> An electronics technician wouldn't have been matter-of-factly inoculated
> against the bugs likely to be encountered in a flooded area where lots
> of people --and livestock-- had been dying for a while.
<considering>
What if the electronics technician had bug zapper repair on his List of
Work To Do? Wouldn't that qualify him as bein' Put In Harm's Way?
Attractin' all them skeeters 'n stuff like that?
> I'm no doctor,
That's OK--Haddad ain't no hero.
> but I know some of those shots took a while to work;
> it wasn't "Roll up your sleeve and you're good to go, hero."
What if the electronics technician was a USO magician, too?
> You looking stupider all the time, Haddock.
Is that even possible?
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
"Your indication here that it 'means nothing' can
be taken as an affront to those who did serve
and fight in Vietnam. Don't take that as a negative
comment but as a friendly one from a veteran who
knows the difference."
-- Haddad Lectures Against Dishonoring Vets
Sylvia
> Ray Haddad wrote:
.
> > My point exactly. I traveled a lot back then. Around the world,
> > even. In Asia, even. In Europe, even. In Africa, even.
.
> Haddud, you're completely out there in fantasyland now.
This is wot I'm sayin'!
--
Sylvia <--- The Supreme Ruler of MW
"Dishonesty about service or lack thereof in Vietnam
has always been a very touchy issue among veterans
of that war. There are even groups who set out to
discredit those who lie about their service in
Vietnam; famous or not."
-- Ray Haddad, the Epitome of Hypocrisy
John Ashby
> Mr. Ejucaided Redneck wrote:
>
>> but I know some of those shots took a while to work;
>> it wasn't "Roll up your sleeve and you're good to go, hero."
>
> What if the electronics technician was a USO magician, too?
>
Then he'd roll up his sleeve and there'd be nothing up it, not even an
arm.
Mostly 'armless.
john
$Zero
well, if Ray ever runs for president perhaps we'll finally hear a peep
from all of those magic show participants he appears to have made
disappear into thin air.
(assuming that Ray's magic wand is still working as well as it was
when he was "fit as a fiddle", that is.)
-$Zero...
Bill Oliver
$Zero
> Doug Reese <dre...@erols.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 18, 2:05 am, b...@radix.net (Bill Oliver) wrote:
>
> >> >PS. By the way, Kerry didn't lie about his service --- sorry, I
> >> >couldn't help myself :)
>
> >> Yes he did, and yes you could.
>
> >No, he didn't, and no I couldn't . . . honest.
>
> >Doug Reese
>
> >> billo
>
> http://powerlineblog.com/archives/017385.php
>
> http://austinbay.net/blog/?p=1513
if someone around here has a spare computer to use to check out
Billo's php's, do let the rest of us know what kind of dishonest
swifty bs he's pedaling above.
as if we can't guess.
-$Zero...
Doug Reese
> In article <1176847811.670812.245...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,Doug Reese <dre...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 18, 2:05 am, b...@radix.net (Bill Oliver) wrote:
> >> >PS. By the way, Kerry didn't lie about his service --- sorry, I
> >> >couldn't help myself :)
>
> >> Yes he did, and yes you could.
>
> >No, he didn't, and no I couldn't . . . honest.
>
> >Doug Reese
>
> >> billo
>
> http://powerlineblog.com/archives/017385.php
> http://austinbay.net/blog/?p=1513
Thanks for the links, Bill. Perhaps you could give me some that
address my comments -- you know, that he didn't lie about his service.
Those links don't come close to addressing that issue -- the first one
talks about the ads that the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" aired on
TV prior to the 2004 election. To a large degree, those ads didn't
touch on specifics of his service.
The other link, well, says nothing about Kerry lying about his
service.
Show me where those who Kerry served with -- and by "served", I mean
that at a minimum those who "served" with him actually saw him in
Vietnam, and went out on missions on his boat or boats that served out
along his -- and you will see that the number of guys who disparage
his service and/or dispute what he has to say about various incidents
(namely, those where he received an award), are quite small.
Furthermore, they are far outnumbered by the guys who were on his
boat, or on other boats that went out with Kerry's boat, on operations
-- especially in the incidents where he was awarded a medal -- and
either disagree with what those few had to say, or refused to
disparage Kerry's service.
So please, if you are going to say Kerry lied about his service, give
me some examples -- not just some blog that references guys who say
they didn't like him, or that he's unfit to be president.
And for every example you give me that disparages Kerry's service/what
he said about this or that incident, I'll give you five who disagree
and/or tell you how many people were actually present -- and had
nothing negative to say.
I await your reply.
Doug Reese
> billo