TOLLROADSnews: Penn Pike moving - very slowly - to end gap in I-95
cpzilliacus
Andrew M. Saucci, Jr.
and I-95 will be completed the way it is supposed to be-- as a free road
funded by gasoline taxes going to the Federal Highway Trust Fund. (The
Second Avenue Subway in New York has been dragging on for decades and still
isn't finished, so there's certainly hope.)
They can put I-95 signs anywhere they want, but that won't get me to
drive on the New Jersey Turnpike unless I'm desperate. Yesterday, coming
home from Florida, I took I-295 to Trenton and switched to US-130, which is
a decent highway with not too many signals.
"cpzilliacus" <c...@os2bbs.com> wrote in message
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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
grunge.local> wrote:
> Maybe this will proceed so slowly that it never gets finished at all
> and I-95 will be completed the way it is supposed to be-- as a free road
> funded by gasoline taxes going to the Federal Highway Trust Fund. (The
> Second Avenue Subway in New York has been dragging on for decades and still
> isn't finished, so there's certainly hope.)
The Federal Highway Trust Fund gasoline tax hasn't kept up with
inflation. Also, the Interstates built 40-60 years ago are worn out
and need expensive reconstruction and expansive.
Some feel that the Federal Fund be abolished and the states left to
tax and build roads as they see fit for their own state. Long before
the Interstates came along neighboring states coordinated connecting
roads with each other. If a bridge was required, they set up a bi-
state agency and built a bridge. Way way back private interests would
build bridges.
> They can put I-95 signs anywhere they want, but that won't get me to
> drive on the New Jersey Turnpike unless I'm desperate. Yesterday, coming
> home from Florida, I took I-295 to Trenton and switched to US-130, which is
> a decent highway with not too many signals.
The NJ Tpk is supposed to be widened further south but that project
doesn't seem to be moving.
US 130 has a few examples of ancient roadside architecture, such as
old (now closed) drive-in restaurants and motel cabins. In
Willingboro there's an abandoned Howard Johnson's, and some examples
of the 1950s "Populuxe" architecture. But redevelopment is finally
catching up.
John Levine
>at all and I-95 will be completed the way it is supposed to be-- as a
>free road funded by gasoline taxes going to the Federal Highway Trust
>Fund.
I can assure you the chances of that happening are zero. A lot of the
area around Princeton that was vegetable farms in the 1970s is now
full of offices and condos. There's no way anyone's going tear all
that down to build a road that is, as the article said, 8 miles from
the NJ Turnpike.
The work the article mentions is indeed a peculiar missing link, two
major highways cross without a direct interchange.
> They can put I-95 signs anywhere they want, but that won't
>get me to drive on the New Jersey Turnpike unless I'm desperate.
Thats OK, less crowding for the rest of us.
R's,
John
rsh...@gmail.com
> The NJ Tpk is supposed to be widened further south but that project
> doesn't seem to be moving.
>
what exactly do you mean?
about half of the const contracts have been let
it is a huge project
you really cannot expect them to do it in two years
Like they said on the Big Dig, if Rome was built overnight, they would
have used their contractors
John Lansford
>On Dec 10, 11:37�am, "Andrew M. Saucci, Jr." <spam-o...@anti-
>grunge.local> wrote:
>> � � � � Maybe this will proceed so slowly that it never gets finished at all
>> and I-95 will be completed the way it is supposed to be-- as a free road
>> funded by gasoline taxes going to the Federal Highway Trust Fund. (The
>> Second Avenue Subway in New York has been dragging on for decades and still
>> isn't finished, so there's certainly hope.)
>
>The Federal Highway Trust Fund gasoline tax hasn't kept up with
>inflation. Also, the Interstates built 40-60 years ago are worn out
>and need expensive reconstruction and expansive.
>
>Some feel that the Federal Fund be abolished and the states left to
>tax and build roads as they see fit for their own state. Long before
>the Interstates came along neighboring states coordinated connecting
>roads with each other. If a bridge was required, they set up a bi-
>state agency and built a bridge. Way way back private interests would
>build bridges.
>
And then charged a toll to cross the bridge, resulting in different
agencies and companies building and then tolling bridges all over the
place. Would you like to be required to pay a toll to cross every
bridge between you and your destinations?
John Lansford, PE
--
John's Shop of Wood
http://wood.jlansford.net/
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> And then charged a toll to cross the bridge, resulting in different
> agencies and companies building and then tolling bridges all over the
> place. Would you like to be required to pay a toll to cross every
> bridge between you and your destinations?
Not unusual here in the NE.
Phila to Long Island
1) Del River
2) NJ Tpk
3) Port Authority
4) Triborough
Even a relatively short trip from Phila to the Jersey Shore...
1) Del River
2) AC Expy
3) (optional) GSP
4) (optional) causeway toll
Nathan Perry
<6e048467-50a3-42a3...@k11g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
Yes, but imagine literally *every* bridge. A good example is here in
Pittsburgh, where the famously numerous bridges were all originally
tolled (and privately built), and they're smack in the middle of town.
That might have been OK in horse-and-buggy days, but could you imagine
it today?
rsh...@gmail.com
> In article
> <6e048467-50a3-42a3-93f3-754337d79...@k11g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
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You do know, that is exactly what is coming
unless you think every car will have a transponder and you pay from
the moment you leave your driveway
which do you prefer?
John Lansford
Yes, I'm not talking about the big expensive bridges, but literally
every bridge you drive on daily, from the small ones crossing streams
to the ones over and on an interstate. Back "in the day" before state
DOT's took over maintenance of their roads, bridges and turnpikes
alike were tolled by private companies. I certainly don't want that
kind of thing happening again; do you?
John David Galt
> Yes, I'm not talking about the big expensive bridges, but literally
> every bridge you drive on daily, from the small ones crossing streams
> to the ones over and on an interstate. Back "in the day" before state
> DOT's took over maintenance of their roads, bridges and turnpikes
> alike were tolled by private companies. I certainly don't want that
> kind of thing happening again; do you?
If it can be done conveniently (EZ-Pass or similar), I don't see why not.
Gas tax money got the job done back when it was used only for roads (and
only to *improve* roads, not downgrade them) and there was no political
opposition to building enough roads to handle the traffic; but now that
both those facts have changed, the road system needs to be privatized to
continue to do its job. In time, drivers will figure that out.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Yes, I'm not talking about the big expensive bridges, but literally
> every bridge you drive on daily, from the small ones crossing streams
> to the ones over and on an interstate. Back "in the day" before state
> DOT's took over maintenance of their roads, bridges and turnpikes
> alike were tolled by private companies. I certainly don't want that
> kind of thing happening again; do you?
If the Feds went away, the states would still have their DOTs doing
state roads. Thus the small bridges would stay free just as they are
now. Actually, conditions might _improve_, since states would be free
to spend _all_) the money as they saw best, rather than sending part
of it to Washington and hoping some will be thrown back their way.
rsh...@gmail.com
wrote:
so you are in favor of private financial behemoths like Cintra
Macquarie coming into the US bldg roads and bridges and beyond that
having eminent domain?
beyond that, the "public" road that your driveway leads to should no
longer be public, but a private road paid for by tolls the second you
leave your driveway?
as as you drive down your formerly "public street, your "easy pass"
keeps racking up the toll charges, as well keeping track of where you
drive and who knows who is keeping track, certainly not a govt agency?
you FAILcritical thinking as well as thinking things thru
rsh...@gmail.com
http://www.senate.state.tx.us/src/pdf/trans.pdf
you may want to take a look at the map on page 4/8 before saying any
more
it is a little dated, 1997, but I think it remains accurate
here is the hilarious part,
as I said in the subj line Dum dum elkins is soooo very stupid
Dimitry Megadeth
It simply runs up to this: pricing the common people out of easy access to
transport, and restricting the ability of a large segment of the population
from travelling long distances. Rather a bit like your desire to restrict
minority groups to public transport and taxis.
--
Otto Yamamoto
rsh...@gmail.com
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you have problems reading and comprehending do you not?
I have long supported inc transit subsidies and you know it, so quit
lying, as you always do
as well inc the fuel taxes and using substantial portions for transit
not only that svartzsies will always take cabs as local fares are
cheap
if you do not believe me, check with the cabs in Poughkeepsie or
Newburgh and see who they haul
again as I told your lying ass, I have been with my company for 23
years almost, so I don't run the local fares
again, quit lying
furthermore, for your lying ass, part of the cost of car ownership is
insurance, are you still with me? that is an expensive proposition
for the svartzies who have some bad driving records and mutiple felony
convictions
al well alot of svartzies cannot even get dl's
now I suppose in your svartzie loving, love affair, you will want dl's
for everyone regardless of driving records
see with all of that, I know it is horribly difficult for you to
comprehend, but the niggers need us lots more then we need them
but transport the svartzies is what they do
You know slater, you must have gotten hit in the head a lot in your
younger days, or more recently at your rave drug parties
all the free marijuana they gave you, also
Dimitry Megadeth
http://preview.tinyurl.com/24yd8uy
The resemblance of the party on the left to
http://www.gribblenation.net/meetings/swpa05.html(all the way right,
next to the poor sod recoiling in revulsion) is pretty close.
Randy's selling out his co-religionists by posing for anti-semitic
propaganda.
And he hates puppies.
rsh...@gmail.com
Dimitry Megadeth
--
Otto Yamamoto
rsh...@gmail.com
niggers get poorer and poorer and slater does NOTHING but get stoned
what a fucking loser
he has NO job
what is he doing? living off the "old lady"?
and he worries about me
I am doing just fine, which bothers him to no end
that is the REAL reason he keeps bitching and moaning
such a loser
too fucking bad, there slater, too fucking bad
and you keep worrying about those puppies
all the while the svartzies get poorer and poorer every day
and they keep killing each other, whkch is fine by me
and slater worries about puppies
such a misguided soul
Dimitry Megadeth
John David Galt
>>> Yes, I'm not talking about the big expensive bridges, but literally
>>> every bridge you drive on daily, from the small ones crossing streams
>>> to the ones over and on an interstate. Back "in the day" before state
>>> DOT's took over maintenance of their roads, bridges and turnpikes
>>> alike were tolled by private companies. I certainly don't want that
>>> kind of thing happening again; do you?
> John David Galt wrote:
>> If it can be done conveniently (EZ-Pass or similar), I don't see why not.
>> Gas tax money got the job done back when it was used only for roads (and
>> only to *improve* roads, not downgrade them) and there was no political
>> opposition to building enough roads to handle the traffic; but now that
>> both those facts have changed, the road system needs to be privatized to
>> continue to do its job. In time, drivers will figure that out.
Randy Hersh wrote:
> so you are in favor of private financial behemoths like Cintra
> Macquarie coming into the US bldg roads and bridges and beyond that
> having eminent domain?
I would abolish eminent domain, except to allow tunneling where it is the
only feasible way to complete a (road, pipeline, cable, etc.) past holdouts.
> beyond that, the "public" road that your driveway leads to should no
> longer be public, but a private road paid for by tolls the second you
> leave your driveway?
We already pay for these roads. Tying that payment to use would allow the
price mechanism to prevent shortages, both by discouraging needless trips
and by encouraging needed construction. Having them "free" does neither.
> as as you drive down your formerly "public street, your "easy pass"
> keeps racking up the toll charges, as well keeping track of where you
> drive and who knows who is keeping track, certainly not a govt agency?
If that is an issue for you, you can already go to a store and get an
anonymous, prepaid "EZ-Pass". Few people bother, but nothing's stopping
you.
> you FAILcritical thinking as well as thinking things thru
Nope. You need to read up on economics. The correct way to design a
system is by the incentives it creates.
rsh...@gmail.com
> He doesn't deny it, have you noticed?
and you are earning your keep by distributing marijuana
rsh...@gmail.com
wrote:
> >> John Lansford wrote:
> >>> Yes, I'm not talking about the big expensive bridges, but literally
> >>> every bridge you drive on daily, from the small ones crossing streams
> >>> to the ones over and on an interstate. Back "in the day" before state
> >>> DOT's took over maintenance of their roads, bridges and turnpikes
> >>> alike were tolled by private companies. I certainly don't want that
> >>> kind of thing happening again; do you?
> > John David Galt wrote:
> >> If it can be done conveniently (EZ-Pass or similar), I don't see why not.
> >> Gas tax money got the job done back when it was used only for roads (and
> >> only to *improve* roads, not downgrade them) and there was no political
> >> opposition to building enough roads to handle the traffic; but now that
> >> both those facts have changed, the road system needs to be privatized to
> >> continue to do its job. In time, drivers will figure that out.
> Randy Hersh wrote:
> > so you are in favor of private financial behemoths like Cintra
> > Macquarie coming into the US bldg roads and bridges and beyond that
> > having eminent domain?
>
> I would abolish eminent domain, except to allow tunneling where it is the
> only feasible way to complete a (road, pipeline, cable, etc.) past holdouts.
>
tunneling huh? nice and cheap way to build a road
people will really be willing to pay tolls for that
beyond that you are showing your contempt for what you supposedly
value so greatly, the US Constitution
> > beyond that, the "public" road that your driveway leads to should no
> > longer be public, but a private road paid for by tolls the second you
> > leave your driveway?
>
> We already pay for these roads. Tying that payment to use would allow the
> price mechanism to prevent shortages, both by discouraging needless trips
> and by encouraging needed construction. Having them "free" does neither.
>
see how your neighbors feel about that
> > as as you drive down your formerly "public street, your "easy pass"
> > keeps racking up the toll charges, as well keeping track of where you
> > drive and who knows who is keeping track, certainly not a govt agency?
>
> If that is an issue for you, you can already go to a store and get an
> anonymous, prepaid "EZ-Pass". Few people bother, but nothing's stopping
> you.
>
no such a thing, as they are tied to your vehicles reg
see the required application
> > you FAILcritical thinking as well as thinking things thru
>
> Nope. You need to read up on economics. The correct way to design a
> system is by the incentives it creates.- Hide quoted text -
>
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nope it is you, you are disingenuous as was proven by Jonathan Winkler
when you probably deliberately misstated Dr Milton Friedman's
Dissertation
I would strongly suggest you not engage Jonathan Winkler as you will
be left in ashes for the govt garbagemen to retrieve
Dimitry Megadeth
I thought I was bumming off my old lady. I *really* wish you'd make up your
mind here.
--
Otto Yamamoto
rsh...@gmail.com
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:46:22 -0800, rshe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 14, 8:31 am, Dimitry Megadeth <steve-...@yamamoto.cc> wrote:
> >> He doesn't deny it, have you noticed?
>
> > and you are earning your keep by distributing marijuana
>
> I thought I was bumming off my old lady. I *really* wish you'd make up your
> mind here.
>
> --
> Otto Yamamoto
both like all good niggers do, the bitches and hos don't ya know
why don't you get a job like the rest of us????
Dimitry Megadeth
--
Otto Yamamoto
Lectric Shave
"Dimitry Megadeth" <stev...@yamamoto.cc> wrote in message
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> I thought I was bumming off my old lady. I *really* wish you'd make
> up your
> mind here.
Doesn't he have to have a mind first? His inability to operate soap,
water and a razor suggests he doesn't have one.
rsh...@gmail.com
why do you speak of this crap when niggers are killing niggers in
record numbers
12, 13 14 yo svartzie bitches keep having babies with the black
bastard father no where to be found
I guess when all you have is mtr, your drug bars, gangsta shit, and
prison wannabees
getting hits to the head at raves, and free marijuana
nothing else matters to you
and you once spoke of humanity
you have not much more then I do
iow, what have you done for a svartzie lately othen then whine at me
and worry about fucking puppies
John Lansford
A simple bridge project on a state or local road can easily cost a
million dollars. I've had bridge projects on state roads cost 5x
that; thinking that local roads equals cheap construction projects is
inaccurate. As for states having more money to spend maintaining
those roads and bridges, don't bet on it. Federal bridge replacement
funds are 80% of the R/W and construction cost, so states would
immediately suffer a deficit if there was no Federal money available.
rsh...@gmail.com
> "Dimitry Megadeth" <steve-...@yamamoto.cc> wrote in message
brilliant roads related posts from a truly nigger loving pieve of shit
not to mention another one that is more concerned with my well being
then nigger bitches having bastard baby after bastard baby after
bastard baby
which leads me to wonder how many of those black bastard babies you
have produced from your big dick
you do knoiw statutory rape is against the law
and against the nigger loving piece if shit shows no concern for
niggers killing niggers
I think it is truly wonderful, don't you agree?
breathlessly awaiting your answer and your next brilliant roads
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