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anon...@internet.none
Apr 9, 2018, 3:18:50 PM4/9/18
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Re: Windows 98se
I have a lot of icons on my desktop. Every once and awhile they get all
jumbled up, and it takes me nearly an hour to straighten them up. I have
a specific order I have them so I can find them quickly. I have never
figured how they get messed up and probably never will....
What file and where is the setting for the icons? What I want to do is
just backup that file so I can replace it when the desktop gets messed
up. There is supposedly some setting to lock the desktop, but I have
never found it, and if it does exist, I'd still like to backup whatever
file has the icon settings, just in case!
I have a lot of icons on my desktop. Every once and awhile they get all
jumbled up, and it takes me nearly an hour to straighten them up. I have
a specific order I have them so I can find them quickly. I have never
figured how they get messed up and probably never will....
What file and where is the setting for the icons? What I want to do is
just backup that file so I can replace it when the desktop gets messed
up. There is supposedly some setting to lock the desktop, but I have
never found it, and if it does exist, I'd still like to backup whatever
file has the icon settings, just in case!
Lee
Apr 10, 2018, 7:42:26 AM4/10/18
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A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you can't see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but works well for 98 too.
http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162
R.Wieser
Apr 10, 2018, 8:48:44 AM4/10/18
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Hello <anonymous>,
> What file and where is the setting for the icons?
Although its not directly talking about Win98, I don't think it could hurt
to take a peek here:
https://superuser.com/questions/625854/where-does-windows-store-icon-positions#630734
, in particular the registry path:
> They are located in the registry under
> HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\1\Desktop.
>
> The key that should interest you is the ItemPosXXXxXXX
> (where XXX is your resolution).
(HKCU = HKEY_CURRENT_USER)
If its there you could save the whole "desktop" subtree, but also just
one-or-more of those "ItemPosXXXxXXX" keys.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
> What file and where is the setting for the icons?
to take a peek here:
https://superuser.com/questions/625854/where-does-windows-store-icon-positions#630734
, in particular the registry path:
> They are located in the registry under
> HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\1\Desktop.
>
> The key that should interest you is the ItemPosXXXxXXX
> (where XXX is your resolution).
(HKCU = HKEY_CURRENT_USER)
If its there you could save the whole "desktop" subtree, but also just
one-or-more of those "ItemPosXXXxXXX" keys.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Apr 10, 2018, 1:52:37 PM4/10/18
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In message <701d70f8-5085-431a...@googlegroups.com>, Lee
[]
Melissa Nguyen - abandonware (so you can't pay for it), but still works,
and still downloadable from various places (watch you don't get PUPs
with it: the /zip should be about 84KB) - certainly in XP, and I think
in '98 (it's certainly old enough).
More recent ones include iconoid and DesktopOK, but I'm not sure those
work in '9x.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
You can be tough without being rude - Nick Clegg, 2014 July
<mel...@my-deja.com> writes:
>On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 1:18:50 PM UTC-6, anon...@internet.none wrote:
>> Re: Windows 98se
>>
>> I have a lot of icons on my desktop. Every once and awhile they get all
>> jumbled up, and it takes me nearly an hour to straighten them up. I have
>> a specific order I have them so I can find them quickly. I have never
>> figured how they get messed up and probably never will....
I don't think any of us have, definitively.
>On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 1:18:50 PM UTC-6, anon...@internet.none wrote:
>> Re: Windows 98se
>>
>> I have a lot of icons on my desktop. Every once and awhile they get all
>> jumbled up, and it takes me nearly an hour to straighten them up. I have
>> a specific order I have them so I can find them quickly. I have never
>> figured how they get messed up and probably never will....
[]
>That data is stored in the registry as encoded information, you can try
>to save System.dat and user.dat which are the registry files and
>attempt to reapply them in DOS mode, but changes done since the last
>save for the rest of the machine means you might have some programs
>installed anymore.
>
>A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you
>can't see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but
>works well for 98 too.
>http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162
The utility I used - I think all the way back to '9x - was EZDesk, by
>to save System.dat and user.dat which are the registry files and
>attempt to reapply them in DOS mode, but changes done since the last
>save for the rest of the machine means you might have some programs
>installed anymore.
>
>A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you
>can't see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but
>works well for 98 too.
>http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162
Melissa Nguyen - abandonware (so you can't pay for it), but still works,
and still downloadable from various places (watch you don't get PUPs
with it: the /zip should be about 84KB) - certainly in XP, and I think
in '98 (it's certainly old enough).
More recent ones include iconoid and DesktopOK, but I'm not sure those
work in '9x.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
You can be tough without being rude - Nick Clegg, 2014 July
anon...@internet.none
Apr 10, 2018, 9:51:40 PM4/10/18
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 04:42:25 -0700 (PDT), Lee <mel...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
Ok, if it's in the registry, I can use reg - restore. Since this icon
messup just happens instanntly, I can restore the reg. a lot faster than
I can rearrange all the icons. That way there is little chance of
anything getting messed up unless I just installed some program that
day. I turn the computer off every night, so any changes would just be a
one day event.
Yes, i have copied the reg files too, and restored them from DOS. That
also works.
I am reading that weblink right now (above). It looks like that is more
for XP and Win7, but I have not yet read all of it..
Thanks
wrote:
messup just happens instanntly, I can restore the reg. a lot faster than
I can rearrange all the icons. That way there is little chance of
anything getting messed up unless I just installed some program that
day. I turn the computer off every night, so any changes would just be a
one day event.
Yes, i have copied the reg files too, and restored them from DOS. That
also works.
I am reading that weblink right now (above). It looks like that is more
for XP and Win7, but I have not yet read all of it..
Thanks
anon...@internet.none
Apr 10, 2018, 11:25:13 PM4/10/18
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>A better solution was recently discussed just a few post back. If you can't
> see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but works well for 98 too.
>http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162
This link is poor. Using my Win98 with firefox 3.x on dialup, It took a
> see it here is the link that provides a fix issued for NT4 but works well for 98 too.
>http://stevehealy.org/techblog/?p=162
half hour to load, gave me a security error and when I finally got to
the page, there was no download link to click on. (It's a cnet page).
http://www.midiox.com/
But they did list the above webpage, which is the author's site. I
clicked on it, it loaded in seconds and clicking on "Desktop Restore"
took me right to the downloads. There are 6 versions of it. The bottom
one is for Win98. The others are for XP up to Win10. Some are 64 bit.
Dont waste your time with cnet, and the extreme amount of ads they bloat
you with. Go directly to the site I posted.
--
Now that I got the file, I'll try it. But have not done so yet.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Apr 11, 2018, 12:38:53 AM4/11/18
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In message <6gvqcd1s76ickhbpe...@4ax.com>,
The one I recommended - sorry, I hadn't realised there's an actual desk
called EZDesk, so the software is harder to find. I found a copy at
http://www.5star-shareware.com/Windows/Desktop/EnhancementUtilities/ezdesk.html
(don't worry about mention of $15: the trial version works for ever; I
actually decided I wanted to pay for it a few years ago as I'd used it
far longer than I should have, but all the real links have gone). And it
does work on 98 - even 95.
(George Mikes in "How to be an Alien".)
called EZDesk, so the software is harder to find. I found a copy at
http://www.5star-shareware.com/Windows/Desktop/EnhancementUtilities/ezdesk.html
(don't worry about mention of $15: the trial version works for ever; I
actually decided I wanted to pay for it a few years ago as I'd used it
far longer than I should have, but all the real links have gone). And it
does work on 98 - even 95.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
An Englishman, even if he is alone, forms an orderly queue of one.
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
(George Mikes in "How to be an Alien".)
anon...@internet.none
Apr 11, 2018, 6:06:35 AM4/11/18
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you posted, but clicking on the download button brings up another page,
then there is an error saying the download is not there.
Do you have the original install file? If you do, is there some place on
the web you can stick it for downloading? Like a personal website or
something. It's a very small file. 83kb.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Apr 11, 2018, 8:43:35 AM4/11/18
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[icon position saving/restoring]
In message <q4nrcdhsfe2rhb68d...@4ax.com>,
has version 1.7 (78.5 KB)
http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so
obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just
now)
may never be questioned.
In message <q4nrcdhsfe2rhb68d...@4ax.com>,
anon...@internet.none writes:
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 05:37:13 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
[]
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 05:37:13 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>The one I recommended - sorry, I hadn't realised there's an actual desk
>>called EZDesk, so the software is harder to find. I found a copy at
>>http://www.5star-shareware.com/Windows/Desktop/EnhancementUtilities/ezd
>>esk.html
>>(don't worry about mention of $15: the trial version works for ever; I
>>actually decided I wanted to pay for it a few years ago as I'd used it
>>far longer than I should have, but all the real links have gone). And it
>>does work on 98 - even 95.
>
>Unfortunately the download is gone too. The page is there at the link
>you posted, but clicking on the download button brings up another page,
>then there is an error saying the download is not there.
>
>Do you have the original install file? If you do, is there some place on
>the web you can stick it for downloading? Like a personal website or
>something. It's a very small file. 83kb.
>
>
http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
>>called EZDesk, so the software is harder to find. I found a copy at
>>http://www.5star-shareware.com/Windows/Desktop/EnhancementUtilities/ezd
>>esk.html
>>(don't worry about mention of $15: the trial version works for ever; I
>>actually decided I wanted to pay for it a few years ago as I'd used it
>>far longer than I should have, but all the real links have gone). And it
>>does work on 98 - even 95.
>
>Unfortunately the download is gone too. The page is there at the link
>you posted, but clicking on the download button brings up another page,
>then there is an error saying the download is not there.
>
>Do you have the original install file? If you do, is there some place on
>the web you can stick it for downloading? Like a personal website or
>something. It's a very small file. 83kb.
>
>
has version 1.7 (78.5 KB)
http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so
obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just
now)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
may never be questioned.
anon...@internet.none
Apr 12, 2018, 4:00:03 AM4/12/18
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Thanks
The driverguide one refused to let me download. Their idiotic captcha
said I need to upgrade my browser. I kindly filpped them the bird, used
the best of my collection of F-words and moved on. (I'll add them to my
HOST file later on, so I dont have to waste another 10 min waiting for
their useless site to load).
Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
Win98se with Kernel-EX..
The driverguide one refused to let me download. Their idiotic captcha
said I need to upgrade my browser. I kindly filpped them the bird, used
the best of my collection of F-words and moved on. (I'll add them to my
HOST file later on, so I dont have to waste another 10 min waiting for
their useless site to load).
Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
Win98se with Kernel-EX..
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Apr 12, 2018, 5:45:36 AM4/12/18
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In message <ar3ucdhsk4q06grvb...@4ax.com>,
generally at best a waste of time IMO, possibly worse - but they were
the first one I found that actually had the file.
the tin, as we say, without any fuss (and you can store an arrangement
for each resolution, too), and works under XP too. Not, sadly, 7 -
either iconoid or DesktopOK are my choices here. The one _theoretical_
disadvantage of EZDesk (1.8 was I think the last version) is that it
still stores its settings in the registry; the only one that I know
actually stores the settings in a file is
https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/DesktopOK - I'm not sure if
that works under '98, though there is _a_ mention of 98 on that page.
But I never found EZDesk storing its settings in the registry to
actually cause a problem.
anon...@internet.none writes:
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
[]
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS
>%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
>>has version 1.7 (78.5 KB)
>>http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
>>has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so
>>obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just
>>now)
>
>Thanks
>
>The driverguide one refused to let me download. Their idiotic captcha
>said I need to upgrade my browser. I kindly filpped them the bird, used
>the best of my collection of F-words and moved on. (I'll add them to my
>HOST file later on, so I dont have to waste another 10 min waiting for
>their useless site to load).
I didn't want to recommend them - sites with "driver" in the name are
>%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
>>has version 1.7 (78.5 KB)
>>http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
>>has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so
>>obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just
>>now)
>
>Thanks
>
>The driverguide one refused to let me download. Their idiotic captcha
>said I need to upgrade my browser. I kindly filpped them the bird, used
>the best of my collection of F-words and moved on. (I'll add them to my
>HOST file later on, so I dont have to waste another 10 min waiting for
>their useless site to load).
generally at best a waste of time IMO, possibly worse - but they were
the first one I found that actually had the file.
>
>Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
>I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
>clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
>have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
>Win98se with Kernel-EX..
>
>
It works without Kernel-EX as well. I like it too: does what it says on
>Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
>I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
>clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
>have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
>Win98se with Kernel-EX..
>
>
the tin, as we say, without any fuss (and you can store an arrangement
for each resolution, too), and works under XP too. Not, sadly, 7 -
either iconoid or DesktopOK are my choices here. The one _theoretical_
disadvantage of EZDesk (1.8 was I think the last version) is that it
still stores its settings in the registry; the only one that I know
actually stores the settings in a file is
https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/DesktopOK - I'm not sure if
that works under '98, though there is _a_ mention of 98 on that page.
But I never found EZDesk storing its settings in the registry to
actually cause a problem.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
...Every morning is the dawn of a new error...
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
anon...@internet.none
Apr 13, 2018, 7:14:26 AM4/13/18
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:43:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
across them far too many times. There is no reason on earth that a
captcha is needed to download a file.
>>Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
>>I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
>>clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
>>have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
>>Win98se with Kernel-EX..
>>
>>
>It works without Kernel-EX as well. I like it too: does what it says on
>the tin, as we say, without any fuss (and you can store an arrangement
>for each resolution, too), and works under XP too. Not, sadly, 7 -
>either iconoid or DesktopOK are my choices here. The one _theoretical_
>disadvantage of EZDesk (1.8 was I think the last version) is that it
>still stores its settings in the registry; the only one that I know
>actually stores the settings in a file is
>https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/DesktopOK - I'm not sure if
>that works under '98, though there is _a_ mention of 98 on that page.
>But I never found EZDesk storing its settings in the registry to
>actually cause a problem.
I didnt thing Kernel-Ex was needed.
So the settings are in the registry. I was wondering where.
Actually I have yet to find where the program got installed to. It's not
in Program Files. I deleted the install TEMP folder. (But saved the
original download). So where did it go?
I should mention that this file should be required before installing
Opera (browser). I dont know how many times I tried different versions
of Opera, and every time my desktop got all messed up. One reason I quit
even trying Opera, but that was many years ago. I never liked Opera
anyhow.
I got a laugh reading the "how to register" text file. It says you can
buy it on a 3.5" floppy. Ya never hear that anymore. Heck, it's hard to
even find blank floppies these days. This Win98 machine is the only
computer I have that still has a floppy drive. If I need something from
a floppy on my newer computers, I just stick the floppy in the 98
machine and dump the contents to a flash drive.
I still remember when I had Windows 3.1 and had two 40 meg hard drives
in it. Then I backed it up on floppy. I had to feed about 55 floppies in
that drive to complete the backup. What a pain....
And to think, one youtube video can easily be 80 megs these days.
<G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>In message <ar3ucdhsk4q06grvb...@4ax.com>,
>anon...@internet.none writes:
>>On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>[]
>>>http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS
>>%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
>>>has version 1.7 (78.5 KB)
>>>http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
>>>has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so
>>>obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just
>>>now)
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>The driverguide one refused to let me download. Their idiotic captcha
>>said I need to upgrade my browser. I kindly filpped them the bird, used
>>the best of my collection of F-words and moved on. (I'll add them to my
>>HOST file later on, so I dont have to waste another 10 min waiting for
>>their useless site to load).
>
>I didn't want to recommend them - sites with "driver" in the name are
>generally at best a waste of time IMO, possibly worse - but they were
>the first one I found that actually had the file.
>>
I agree about the sutes with the word "driver" being useless. I've run
>In message <ar3ucdhsk4q06grvb...@4ax.com>,
>anon...@internet.none writes:
>>On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>[]
>>>http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS
>>%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
>>>has version 1.7 (78.5 KB)
>>>http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
>>>has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so
>>>obviously has PUPs or worse; Server 2 was 85K. Or that was the case just
>>>now)
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>The driverguide one refused to let me download. Their idiotic captcha
>>said I need to upgrade my browser. I kindly filpped them the bird, used
>>the best of my collection of F-words and moved on. (I'll add them to my
>>HOST file later on, so I dont have to waste another 10 min waiting for
>>their useless site to load).
>
>I didn't want to recommend them - sites with "driver" in the name are
>generally at best a waste of time IMO, possibly worse - but they were
>the first one I found that actually had the file.
>>
across them far too many times. There is no reason on earth that a
captcha is needed to download a file.
>>Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
>>I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
>>clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
>>have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
>>Win98se with Kernel-EX..
>>
>>
>It works without Kernel-EX as well. I like it too: does what it says on
>the tin, as we say, without any fuss (and you can store an arrangement
>for each resolution, too), and works under XP too. Not, sadly, 7 -
>either iconoid or DesktopOK are my choices here. The one _theoretical_
>disadvantage of EZDesk (1.8 was I think the last version) is that it
>still stores its settings in the registry; the only one that I know
>actually stores the settings in a file is
>https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/DesktopOK - I'm not sure if
>that works under '98, though there is _a_ mention of 98 on that page.
>But I never found EZDesk storing its settings in the registry to
>actually cause a problem.
So the settings are in the registry. I was wondering where.
Actually I have yet to find where the program got installed to. It's not
in Program Files. I deleted the install TEMP folder. (But saved the
original download). So where did it go?
I should mention that this file should be required before installing
Opera (browser). I dont know how many times I tried different versions
of Opera, and every time my desktop got all messed up. One reason I quit
even trying Opera, but that was many years ago. I never liked Opera
anyhow.
I got a laugh reading the "how to register" text file. It says you can
buy it on a 3.5" floppy. Ya never hear that anymore. Heck, it's hard to
even find blank floppies these days. This Win98 machine is the only
computer I have that still has a floppy drive. If I need something from
a floppy on my newer computers, I just stick the floppy in the 98
machine and dump the contents to a flash drive.
I still remember when I had Windows 3.1 and had two 40 meg hard drives
in it. Then I backed it up on floppy. I had to feed about 55 floppies in
that drive to complete the backup. What a pain....
And to think, one youtube video can easily be 80 megs these days.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Apr 13, 2018, 8:42:18 AM4/13/18
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In message <6n21dd9s2gdbm2d7g...@4ax.com>,
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for a driver - they come up a lot in the search results, but hardly ever
have the driver you're looking for - but pretend they do, and instead
what you download is some sort of universal driver searcher/maintainer
utility, usually badly written, that will at best fail to find the
driver for the hardware you want, but is more likely to actually break
your computer - I think mainly just through being sloppily coded, though
I wouldn't be at all surprised if some are actually malware.
"Everything" doesn't work under '98 (I think it doesn't), then I guess
"dir /s EZ*.*" (from C:\) is your friend!
_very_ long time ago; from what I could tell it was also quirky, but
that's not necessarily bad, just different. Different _can_ be good,
though has to justify itself (I am getting increasingly dissatisfied
with the way Brother's Keeper - the genealogy software I use - doesn't
do things the way most other software does; those "norms" hadn't been
established when BK started, so it wasn't wrong then, but continuing to
plough its own furrow increasingly needs to be justified: having to
constantly remind yourself "no, to do that in _this_ prog., you have to
do it like this rather than how everything else these days does it" gets
tedious, _unless_ there's actually an _advantage_ to doing things their
way [which for most of the anomalies in BK, there isn't]).
but I haven't powered it for months. Actually, I do have a USB floppy
drive, but haven't used it since I acquired it.
beyond which really need imaging.
>And to think, one youtube video can easily be 80 megs these days.
>
And the rest! I have some videos that are in the high hundreds, and HD
movie enthusiasts must go into the tens of gigs most of the time (even
an SD one is a few gigs). Yes, my first actual PC had either a 40 or 80M
(can't remember - think 80). But if we're getting into Yorkshiremen
Sketch territory, the first computer I actually learnt on had a memory
of 16. (No, not 16K.) That taught you _really_ compact programming (-:
>
[Weird machine: 7 bit, ones (rather than twos) complement arithmetic,
serial processing (max. ~ 100 kHz, IIRR) ...]
>
3
Britain - it's almost as if Britain is a subset of Radio 4. - Stephen Fry, in
Radio Times, 7-13 June, 2003.
anon...@internet.none writes:
>On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:43:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <ar3ucdhsk4q06grvb...@4ax.com>,
>>anon...@internet.none writes:
>>>On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>[]
>>>>http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS
>>>%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
>>>>has version 1.7 (78.5 KB)
>>>>http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
>>>>has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so
[]
>On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:43:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <ar3ucdhsk4q06grvb...@4ax.com>,
>>anon...@internet.none writes:
>>>On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:41:59 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>><G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>[]
>>>>http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=988131&path=WINDOWS
>>>%2FDESKTOP%2Flooney%2FTOOLS%2FWINDOWS%2FEZDESK%2FREADME.TXT
>>>>has version 1.7 (78.5 KB)
>>>>http://www.brothersoft.com/ezdesk-download-7419.html?bottom
>>>>has version 1.8 (NOT "Server 1 Official Download" - that's over 3M, so
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>>I didn't want to recommend them - sites with "driver" in the name are
>>generally at best a waste of time IMO, possibly worse - but they were
>>the first one I found that actually had the file.
>>>
>I agree about the sutes with the word "driver" being useless. I've run
>across them far too many times. There is no reason on earth that a
>captcha is needed to download a file.
>
It's not their uselessness as a site, it's that - if you _are_ looking
>>generally at best a waste of time IMO, possibly worse - but they were
>>the first one I found that actually had the file.
>>>
>I agree about the sutes with the word "driver" being useless. I've run
>across them far too many times. There is no reason on earth that a
>captcha is needed to download a file.
>
for a driver - they come up a lot in the search results, but hardly ever
have the driver you're looking for - but pretend they do, and instead
what you download is some sort of universal driver searcher/maintainer
utility, usually badly written, that will at best fail to find the
driver for the hardware you want, but is more likely to actually break
your computer - I think mainly just through being sloppily coded, though
I wouldn't be at all surprised if some are actually malware.
>
>>>Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
>>>I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
>>>clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
Yes!
>>>Server 2 on brothersoft worked fine. I installed it, and like it a lot.
>>>I saved my desktop. Then I intentionally screwed it up my icons. I
>>>clicked Restore and it was all fixed. COOL!!! A Great program! I should
>>>have had this years ago. What i have is ver 1.8 and am using it on
>>>Win98se with Kernel-EX..
>>>
>>>
>>It works without Kernel-EX as well. I like it too: does what it says on
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>>>Win98se with Kernel-EX..
>>>
>>>
>>It works without Kernel-EX as well. I like it too: does what it says on
>>https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/DesktopOK - I'm not sure if
>>that works under '98, though there is _a_ mention of 98 on that page.
>>But I never found EZDesk storing its settings in the registry to
>>actually cause a problem.
>
>I didnt thing Kernel-Ex was needed.
>So the settings are in the registry. I was wondering where.
>Actually I have yet to find where the program got installed to. It's not
>in Program Files. I deleted the install TEMP folder. (But saved the
>original download). So where did it go?
Now you mention it, I vaguely remember it using an odd place. If
>>that works under '98, though there is _a_ mention of 98 on that page.
>>But I never found EZDesk storing its settings in the registry to
>>actually cause a problem.
>
>I didnt thing Kernel-Ex was needed.
>So the settings are in the registry. I was wondering where.
>Actually I have yet to find where the program got installed to. It's not
>in Program Files. I deleted the install TEMP folder. (But saved the
>original download). So where did it go?
"Everything" doesn't work under '98 (I think it doesn't), then I guess
"dir /s EZ*.*" (from C:\) is your friend!
>
>I should mention that this file should be required before installing
>Opera (browser). I dont know how many times I tried different versions
>of Opera, and every time my desktop got all messed up. One reason I quit
>even trying Opera, but that was many years ago. I never liked Opera
>anyhow.
Last time I looked at Opera it wasn't free, so I think that makes is a
>I should mention that this file should be required before installing
>Opera (browser). I dont know how many times I tried different versions
>of Opera, and every time my desktop got all messed up. One reason I quit
>even trying Opera, but that was many years ago. I never liked Opera
>anyhow.
_very_ long time ago; from what I could tell it was also quirky, but
that's not necessarily bad, just different. Different _can_ be good,
though has to justify itself (I am getting increasingly dissatisfied
with the way Brother's Keeper - the genealogy software I use - doesn't
do things the way most other software does; those "norms" hadn't been
established when BK started, so it wasn't wrong then, but continuing to
plough its own furrow increasingly needs to be justified: having to
constantly remind yourself "no, to do that in _this_ prog., you have to
do it like this rather than how everything else these days does it" gets
tedious, _unless_ there's actually an _advantage_ to doing things their
way [which for most of the anomalies in BK, there isn't]).
>
>I got a laugh reading the "how to register" text file. It says you can
>buy it on a 3.5" floppy. Ya never hear that anymore. Heck, it's hard to
>even find blank floppies these days. This Win98 machine is the only
>computer I have that still has a floppy drive. If I need something from
>a floppy on my newer computers, I just stick the floppy in the 98
>machine and dump the contents to a flash drive.
Yes, my 98SElite/XP (boot choice) machine still has one (both sizes!),
>I got a laugh reading the "how to register" text file. It says you can
>buy it on a 3.5" floppy. Ya never hear that anymore. Heck, it's hard to
>even find blank floppies these days. This Win98 machine is the only
>computer I have that still has a floppy drive. If I need something from
>a floppy on my newer computers, I just stick the floppy in the 98
>machine and dump the contents to a flash drive.
but I haven't powered it for months. Actually, I do have a USB floppy
drive, but haven't used it since I acquired it.
>
>I still remember when I had Windows 3.1 and had two 40 meg hard drives
>in it. Then I backed it up on floppy. I had to feed about 55 floppies in
>that drive to complete the backup. What a pain....
At least you _could_ just back it all up by copying, unlike XP and
>I still remember when I had Windows 3.1 and had two 40 meg hard drives
>in it. Then I backed it up on floppy. I had to feed about 55 floppies in
>that drive to complete the backup. What a pain....
beyond which really need imaging.
>And to think, one youtube video can easily be 80 megs these days.
>
movie enthusiasts must go into the tens of gigs most of the time (even
an SD one is a few gigs). Yes, my first actual PC had either a 40 or 80M
(can't remember - think 80). But if we're getting into Yorkshiremen
Sketch territory, the first computer I actually learnt on had a memory
of 16. (No, not 16K.) That taught you _really_ compact programming (-:
>
[Weird machine: 7 bit, ones (rather than twos) complement arithmetic,
serial processing (max. ~ 100 kHz, IIRR) ...]
>
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Radio 4 is one of the reasons being British is good. It's not a subset of
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Britain - it's almost as if Britain is a subset of Radio 4. - Stephen Fry, in
Radio Times, 7-13 June, 2003.
anon...@internet.none
Apr 14, 2018, 11:01:16 PM4/14/18
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which cost me around $150 for a USED drive. It did not fit in the case,
so I had it attached to the outside with some hardware brackets.
It was pretty amazing being able to boot up to Dos without inserting a
floppy. The built in monitor was black on amber only. Eventually I
bought a 3 color monitor, and I had to pay some computer shop to make it
work. I later learned they installed a video card. Then 3 color monitors
had a horrid picture, but it was a step above black& while (Amber and
black in my case).
Eventually I got a 286, with VGA color and a lot more speed. Then came
Windows 3.....
I can and do still back up my Win98 machine by simply copying the files.
I have found a way to backup XP by copying everything except the Windows
folder and the Documents & Settings folders. I make a point of NOT
keeping personal data in the D&S folder. Once and awhile I do back up
the D&S folder and Windows folder by booting from a flash drive with
Puppy Linux. Thats the only thing I use Linux for, but it works for
copying those two folders which you cant copy any other way.
I have never used any OS newer than XP, and really dont want to.
Although I'd probably give Win7 a whirl if it was free. But I have no
intent of ever using Win 8 or 10. (or Vista).
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