problem with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - please help
Adam
Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)] with VIA 4in1 driver v4.43
AMD Athlon XP 1600+
AGP Slot: Video - 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
PCI Slot 1: -----
PCI Slot 2: NIC - 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
PCI Slot 3: Sound - Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
PCI Slot 4: USB Card
PCI Slot 5: -----
Operating System: Windows 98 Second Edition
The problem started creeping up last night ...
- bad pixels appear randomly on the screen
- the system freezes when I move the mouse
- something was mildly burning / overheating
I powered off the system overnight. Turned it back on this morning.
It worked briefly. Then, the problem started up again.
On one reboot, I got the following message ...
"You have not connected the power extension cable to
your Radeon 9800 video card
Please refer to the "Getting Started Guide" for
proper hardware installation !!!"
After removing the video card, cleaning and reinserting,
the message (above) went away. But, I noticed that
the fan on the video card was not spinning. So,
my guess is that the video card is overheating.
Hopefully, this can be fixed somehow. Any ideas?
Also, I now get the following "warning" message ...
"The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working properly.
The ATI Control Panel will now exit."
And, the only display setting that works is 640 x 480
It will not take any other resolution.
RobV
Sounds like the card went bad. However, it can't hurt to uninstall,
then install the latest drivers for the card (if it lets you get that
far).
Adam
"RobV" <rob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message news:46cdb476$0$19000$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
Good idea ... I'll uninstall and reinstall.
I still don't have a good feeling about that
fan not spinning though. What's the best way to cool that Radeon chip?
Add a card (in Slot 1) with a fan blowing at the AGP video card?
Is there such a card? Or, am I getting imaginative? ;o)
Ron Marraccini
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"Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
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RobV
As Ron mentioned, yes there is a fan mounted on a PCI slot so you blow
cool air on the card. For now, leave the side off the computer and get
a small (or large) fan blowing cool air into the computer. That will
help determine if it's heat related alone, and not a card failure also.
Adam
"RobV" <rob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message news:46cdbe14$0$11040$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
Thanks for the info. I checked with the seller and
found out that this video card is still under warranty since
I only purchased it around Thanksgiving 2006.
And, I can either send it back to the seller or ATI.
Is it better to send it directly to ATI?
I haven't had a cover on my system for a long time.
I don't have any (big / small) fans around. So,
I used Dust Off to blow cool air directly on the chip.
It helped but only briefly. The system is currently off.
I will let it cool before powering it up again.
It might work for a minute.
Adam
the seller tells me that this video card is still under warranty.
"Ron Marraccini" <ro...@ramlegal.com> wrote in message news:46cdba7a$0$494$815e...@news.qwest.net...
rms
> I don't have any (big / small) fans around. So,
> I used Dust Off to blow cool air directly on the chip.
> It helped but only briefly. The system is currently off.
> I will let it cool before powering it up again.
> It might work for a minute.
Most likely the fan on the card has failed. If the card was not covered
by warranty I'd say take it off and clean and lube it with Inox. But just
send it in.
rms
Captain Midnight
>
> > >>>
> > >>> "You have not connected the power extension cable to
> > >>> your Radeon 9800 video card
> > >>> Please refer to the "Getting Started Guide" for
> > >>> proper hardware installation !!!"
> > >>>
> > >>> After removing the video card, cleaning and reinserting,
> > >>> the message (above) went away. But, I noticed that
> > >>> the fan on the video card was not spinning. So,
> > >>> my guess is that the video card is overheating.
> > >>> Hopefully, this can be fixed somehow. Any ideas?
> I haven't had a cover on my system for a long time.
> I don't have any (big / small) fans around. So,
> I used Dust Off to blow cool air directly on the chip.
> It helped but only briefly. The system is currently off.
> I will let it cool before powering it up again.
> It might work for a minute.
>
Could be the power supply.
Make sure the card is getting proper power from the Molex connector. 12volt
+/- 5%. I'd think anything less than 11.7v would still be suspect.
Adam
"rms" <rsqu...@REMOVEflashMOO.net> wrote in message
news:ffkzi.3312$JD....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
Another good suggestion to try. Thanks!
I found a place (not online) that has the PCI VGA coolers in stock.
Since I'm paranoid about sending the video card away and
not getting it back, I decided to try-out some work-arounds and
maybe learn some things.
Adam
"Captain Midnight" <Not...@twip.invalid> wrote in message
news:46cde4db$0$4075$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
That's a possibility ... even though I have
a decent power supply (Antec PP-412X 400W) and
the video card has been working for
8 months or so without change (by human).
I'll have to keep that in mind.
Larry
I had same card same problem, took the fan off and bought a cheap chipset
fan and mouted it on top of the sink, then I put an extra slot fan under it
to help. worked for a while but dont be surprised if it burns up, it you do
any gaming that makes it toasty. ATI of course has only a 2 year warranty,
thats why anytime I buy a video card I buy a BFG nvidia card....lifetime
guarantee....and I've used it, had one fail...mailed it on Monday they had
my replacement on the porch by thursday....very impressive.
Adam
"Larry" <userco...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Wouldn't taking the video card apart void the warranty?
With this type of technology, 2 years is about a lifetime. ;o)
Larry
Yes that would void the warranty, if it still underwarranty get it replaced
or repaired, It has to have a working fan. I am suprised that it still under
warranty?I Bought my Raedon 9800 like 6 or 7 years ago....they still selling
it?
DaveW
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Adam
"Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message news:Kqjzi.1573$vU4...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
Well, I finally powered up the system. As expected,
it worked fine for a few minutes. I was even able to
set the resolution back to the way it was, nice and high.
So now, I strongly believe that the problem is due to
insufficient cooling. If I send the video card back to ATI,
they'll likely replace the fan, which might go bad in
another 6-8 months and I'm back to square one.
Hmmm ... what to do ... can't wait to get my hands on
that PCI VGA cooler now.
Adam
It's now no longer available by the seller. Otherwise,
I would have sent it back to the seller for a replacement.
I probably bought the last of the bunch. That's why it was
not very expensive.
Adam
"DaveW" <not...@bot.org> wrote in message news:vMSdnZ4419gRY1Db...@comcast.com...
Michael W. Ryder
bought my 9700 Pro new 5 years ago and it has run fine 24x7 since then.
The only problem with overheating I ever had with the card was the
case's ventilation wasn't sufficient, but a PCI slot fan fixed that problem.
Buffalo
Venom
> > My current setup is as follows ...
> >
> > Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)] with VIA 4in1 driver v4.43
> > AMD Athlon XP 1600+
> > AGP Slot: Video - 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
> > PCI Slot 1: -----
> > PCI Slot 2: NIC - 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
> > PCI Slot 3: Sound - Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
> > PCI Slot 4: USB Card
> > PCI Slot 5: -----
> > Operating System: Windows 98 Second Edition
> >
>
computers are running XP Pro.
I have had no problems with the stock coolers on these cards although I have
read where it might be better to fit bigger aftermarket coolers. As I type
this my 9800XT is running at 35 degrees C. (Everest) so I have left the
stock cooler alone untill such times as I need to replace a fan.
I did have trouble once with the molex connector on one of the cards. I
guess I must not have pressed the PSU connector in hard enough and that
caused a bad connection to the card blackening one of the pins. I cleaned
the pin and socket and all is well again. the problems I was having at that
time sounded like the problems you are having.
You could also try getting a friend to run your card in his computer just to
see how it goes.
Adam
"Michael W. Ryder" <_mwr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:NJnzi.455747$p47.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
I'm only using history as an indicator of what "might" (not "will") come.
Different models are geared toward different markets. For example,
high-end, entry-level, etc. So, the quality of components will
likely be better for some models than others.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:1ridnaSs_fk2kFPb...@comcast.com...
Thanks for the link. Just what I need to
clarify my understanding about these VGA coolers.
Steph
One word........HEAT
Adam
"Venom" <Ve...@Mailhouse.com> wrote in message
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Good info. Thanks!
I'll have to double check the power (molex?) connector on
the card again. Might be hard to find another system with
an AGP slot since AGP has pretty much been replaced.
But, I'll keep it in mind.
Adam
"Steph" <st...@vancouvers.island> wrote in message news:HUuzi.87675$rX4.70649@pd7urf2no...
That's about as concise and precise as it gets. ;o)
Gary S. Terhune
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MS-MVP Shell/User
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"Dan" <D...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Are you spamming the newsgroup on purpose or is there another motive.
> Asking
> more than once does not usually help your case and like I said in the
> subject
> --- tell us your problem with the Ati Radeon 9800 Pro. and we will see if
> we
> can help you. It would be great to have a name too instead of unknown
> especially since all of us unknowns are eventually discovered anyway when
> we
> use the Internet.
Buffalo
"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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> Who are you talking to, Dan?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
A very good question.
Lil' Dave
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion newsgroup.
Can you copy the original and post it for us?
Dave
"Dan" <D...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> You don't have the unknown post with the problem with Ati 9800 Pro. from
> the
> unknown source in your fields as the first post?
Dan
Subject: problem with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - please help 8/23/2007 4:30 PM
PST
By: unknown In: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Buffalo
> Sure, here you go. It is not much of course.
>
> Subject: problem with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - please help 8/23/2007
> 4:30 PM PST
>
> By: unknown In: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
>
>
Dan
Microsoft account.
Gary S. Terhune
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"Dan" <D...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Dan
Mozilla Thunderbird or Outlook Express.
Gary S. Terhune
you or anyone else problems, or I'll bite your head off.
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"Dan" <D...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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PCR
| OK, you're welcome to it. Just don't let me hear anything about it
| causing you or anyone else problems, or I'll bite your head off.
He's seeing a post that no one else can see! Here-- put this salt on his
head...!...
° ° °
° °
° ° ° °
° °
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
Randy
Randy
"Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
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>
> "RobV" <rob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:46cdb476$0$19000$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> Adam wrote:
Dan
interface they most prefer. <smile>
Dan
Microsoft did this with their newsgroups. I wonder if it has to do with VPN
(Virtual Private Networking) Perhaps someone else can clue me in on this?
<:-?>
Daave
First, have a look at this thread:
It all begins with a post by Adam from 8/23/07, 15:46:34 GMT "problem
with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - please help" It was cross-posted to:
alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
and
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
None of us who use a proper newsreader and the Microsoft news server
saw this thread. However, you can see it if you use a different news
server or Microsoft's clunky Web interface! The latter is how our
distinguished colleague Dan saw the thread.
Then, he responded to a post by Buffalo (not unknown, as he claims),
changed the Subject line and deleted all of Buffalo's text! It was at
this point that the thread "We can't help if you don't tell us what is
wrong?" appeared in the microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion newsgroup
(for those who use a proper news client!).
Here is Buffalo's post, complete with headers:
Path:
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganew
s.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:43:55 -0500
From: "Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid>
Newsgroups:
alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati,microsof
t.public.win98.gen_discussion
References: <uZhzi.11001$3x....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: problem with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - please help
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:43:48 -0600
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Look at :
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/VGA_silencer_install/VGA_silencer_install.html
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That is what Dan responded to via the Web interface and began this
other thread!
Other weirdness:
Last night (using the MS news server and OE), I posted a response to
Dan. Here it is, complete with headers:
From: "Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
References: <1ridnaSs_fk2kFPb...@comcast.com>
<20D0A3DD-F1A0-460B...@microsoft.com>
<uSczBNr...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
<reydnZbf3LLJGVLb...@comcast.com>
<4BF8B133-2DC4-4704...@microsoft.com>
<#cMHYfx5...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<E9EF12D8-998F-43DD...@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: We can't help if you don't tell us what is wrong?
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:17:36 -0400
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AFAIC, three's no thread with that subject line in this newsgroup.
However, there is such a thread in alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus.
But there are no posts by unknown in that thread, which was begun by
Adam.
Personally, I think you're news client has gone kablooey!
Furthermore, if you're replying to unknown, you should have left the
relevant bit of his post for context. But instead you began a brand new
thread!
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Although, I have a copy of this in my Sent folder, there is no evidence
it ever propagated!
Theories?
(I will try again to respond to Dan's post and see what happens.)
* Note: I tried and failed. Now I am trying via my ISP's news server,
using the thread that Dan initiated: "problem with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro -
please help"
--
Dave
PCR
| Huh, maybe the post is just between Gary and myself. Hmm, I did not
| know Microsoft did this with their newsgroups. I wonder if it has to
| do with VPN (Virtual Private Networking) Perhaps someone else can
| clue me in on this? <:-?>
I see Daave has offered a fine explanation...
news:uqB5TBB6...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl
Therefore, perhaps you are safe. It depends whether Terhune buys it!
Dan
I have been a crapload of sh_t recently. Glad you are still sticking by me
as you always have PCR. You must have a really good and kind heart to help
me when I had so many health issues to due my thyroid hormone and levels. It
is super tough to deal with, an emotion strain on me and others around me
even more so I think. Thanks for being there and actually what does PCR
stand for. The acronymn PCR (Personnal Computer Responder) or am I just way
far out in left field. <laughs>
"PCR" wrote:
> "Dan" <D...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4964E9B0-8024-4BAE...@microsoft.com
> | Huh, maybe the post is just between Gary and myself. Hmm, I did not
> | know Microsoft did this with their newsgroups. I wonder if it has to
> | do with VPN (Virtual Private Networking) Perhaps someone else can
> | clue me in on this? <:-?>
>
> I see Daave has offered a fine explanation...
> news:uqB5TBB6...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl
>
> Therefore, perhaps you are safe. It depends whether Terhune buys it!
>
> | "PCR" wrote:
> |
> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> |> news:ut6Gd825...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
> |> | OK, you're welcome to it. Just don't let me hear anything about it
> |> | causing you or anyone else problems, or I'll bite your head off.
> |>
> |> He's seeing a post that no one else can see! Here-- put this salt on
> |> his head...!...
> |>
> |> ° ° °
> |> ° °
> |> ° ° ° °
> |> ° °
PCR
| Nah, I think Gary is questing my sanity currently which is legitimate
| because I have been a crapload of sh_t recently. Glad you are still
| sticking by me as you always have PCR. You must have a really good
| and kind heart to help me when I had so many health issues to due my
| thyroid hormone and levels. It is super tough to deal with, an
| emotion strain on me and others around me even more so I think.
| Thanks for being there and actually what does PCR stand for. The
| acronymn PCR (Personnal Computer Responder) or am I just way far out
| in left field. <laughs>
PCR stands for truth, justice & the Win98 way! (But I spelt it wrong.) I
authorize Terhune to solve your personal issues-- & only to bite off
your head as last resort! I think I owe you that much!
Adam
After removing the fan and heatsink, what's the best way to
remove the residual thermal compound from the GPU?
Is there a good website with pictures and instructions?
That stuff is all over the GPU (as expected) and beyond.
In the following link ...
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/VGA_silencer_install/VGA_silencer_install2.h
tml#storytop
what are those dots around the GPU?
Paul
>
> After removing the fan and heatsink, what's the best way to
> remove the residual thermal compound from the GPU?
> Is there a good website with pictures and instructions?
> That stuff is all over the GPU (as expected) and beyond.
>
> In the following link ...
> http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/VGA_silencer_install/VGA_silencer_install2.h
> tml#storytop
> what are those dots around the GPU?
>
>
Arctic Silver ACN-60ML (2-PC-SET) Thermal material Remover & Surface Purifier - $6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100010
The dots are filter capacitors and/or resistors for configuration. The
heatsink should rest on the silicon die, and not on those components.
Sometimes there will be a gasket material around the edge of the
chip, to prevent the heatsink from contacting the silicon die on
an angle, and potentially chipping the silicon die.
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/VGA_silencer_install/ATI_GPU_clean.jpg
Paul
Buffalo
Rubbing alcohol seems to work fine.
Just the raised portion of the GPU is what you need to clean.
Don't scrape over those 'white dots' or you will be minus a video card. They
are electronic components such as resistors,etc.
When you apply the new paste, just a little dab will do it. It basically
just fills in the tiny voids that can trap air.
The more polished the mating surfaces are, the less heatsink paste is
required.
If they were perfectly polished, no paste would be required. Air is an
insulator.
If it is too thick, it will act as an insulator and slow down the heat
transfer.
Google the proper way to apply it.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Arctic Cooling Accelero S2 comes with
a thermal pad pre-attached to the heatsink.
All I have to do is clean the GPU surface and
attach the VGA cooler, right? No need to mess with
other thermal paste, right?
See Arctic Cooling Accelero S2 here ...
http://www.burnoutpc.com/modules/smartsection/print.php?itemid=264
Steph
Most people who are serious about cooling remove the sticky pad and use
paste. Heat transfer is much better.
Adam
"Steph" <st...@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
Which paste is best?
Roy Coorne
Buffalo
> might work a 'little' better, I think you should just use the
> supplied pad and see how it works. If more cooling is required, then
> you can go ahead and remove the pad and its residue later and apply
> the fairly expensive Artic Silver. Heat sink paste tests usually list
> Artic Silver among the best, but the difference in performance
> between the cheap Radio Shack paste and the expensive Artic Silver
> paste isn't much. Artic Silver may last longer, though.
PS: Don't forget to remove the protective tape from the pad before
installing the heatsink.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Do you mean the two strips of 3M tape?
Okay, I'll try the supplied thermal pad first.
Buffalo
> "Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>
>>> might work a 'little' better, I think you should just use the
>>> supplied pad and see how it works. If more cooling is required, then
>>> you can go ahead and remove the pad and its residue later and apply
>>> the fairly expensive Artic Silver. Heat sink paste tests usually
>>> list Artic Silver among the best, but the difference in performance
>>> between the cheap Radio Shack paste and the expensive Artic Silver
>>> paste isn't much. Artic Silver may last longer, though.
>>
>> PS: Don't forget to remove the protective tape from the pad before
>> installing the heatsink.
>>
>
> Do you mean the two strips of 3M tape?
>
> Okay, I'll try the supplied thermal pad first.
There is usually a light protective tape covering and protecting the thermal
pad from contamination until you are ready to use it. It should peel off
easily.
Buffalo
Your thermal pad may have a plastic cover on it or tape.
Read the instructions at their site. It explains what to remove and how to
install their product.
Additional Information tab and then Installation Instructions.
It mentions using the double sided tape etc.
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=125&data=3&disc=
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Oh, this packaging has a plastic cap covering
the entire block that rests on the GPU block.
So, there's nothing touching the thermal pad.
Thanks for the precautions though.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Great! The installation instruction sheet comes in
the box but it's nicer to have it in PDF format.
Buffalo
According to the instructions on the site, the heatsink actually has a paste
on it rather than a thermal pad.
Either way, I hope you get it installed easily as it sounds a bit
complicated.
Best of luck.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Yeah, for all I know, it might actually be thermal paste (not pad).
So far, the hardest part has been to remove those two pins holding
the stock heatsink to the video card. The part ahead that
worries me is not having clearance for the height of the parts.
I don't want to have to grind away at the VGA cooler and
ruin the pre-applied thermal paste.
Adam
>
> "Venom" <Ve...@Mailhouse.com> wrote in message
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> > > Adam wrote:
> > > > My current setup is as follows ...
> > > >
> > > > Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)] with VIA 4in1 driver v4.43
> > > > AMD Athlon XP 1600+
> > > > AGP Slot: Video - 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
> > > > PCI Slot 1: -----
> > > > PCI Slot 2: NIC - 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
> > > > PCI Slot 3: Sound - Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
> > > > PCI Slot 4: USB Card
> > > > PCI Slot 5: -----
> > > > Operating System: Windows 98 Second Edition
> > > >
> > >
> > computers are running XP Pro.
> > I have had no problems with the stock coolers on these cards although I have
> > read where it might be better to fit bigger aftermarket coolers. As I type
> > this my 9800XT is running at 35 degrees C. (Everest) so I have left the
> > stock cooler alone untill such times as I need to replace a fan.
> > I did have trouble once with the molex connector on one of the cards. I
> > guess I must not have pressed the PSU connector in hard enough and that
> > caused a bad connection to the card blackening one of the pins. I cleaned
> > the pin and socket and all is well again. the problems I was having at that
> > time sounded like the problems you are having.
> > You could also try getting a friend to run your card in his computer just to
> > see how it goes.
> >
>
> Good info. Thanks!
>
> I'll have to double check the power (molex?) connector on
> the card again. Might be hard to find another system with
> an AGP slot since AGP has pretty much been replaced.
> But, I'll keep it in mind.
>
One of the pins of the molex connector is black-ish.
What's the best way to clean this up?
Buffalo
http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/workbench/07_rwf_work_dec_21.shtml
From the URL above: Remove all the Molex plugs and treat the pins to a
spritz of contact cleaner, or better yet, Caig Labs DeoxIT. Gently swab the
pins to apply a thin film of this cleaner/preservative. Work the Molex plug
back and forth over the pins to clean the contacts inside the plastic plug.
I would think alcohol might also work, as would a flammable solvent light
lighter fluid (be careful).
External pins might be cleaned by fine emery or sandpaper.
Contact cleaner is probably the best.
Even a solvent like carb cleaner 'might' work, but I don't know if it would
harm the connector or not.
Paul
An alternative solution, would be to buy a "Y cable", one of those
cables that makes two Molex out of one Molex cable. The cable is
a good source of male and female connectors, complete with wire.
Cut up the Y cable. Strip the four ends of the resulting wires.
Leave about 1/4" wire exposed. Unsolder the old connector. Solder
a cable in place, having the same polarity and placing the same
wire colors as the pins had before. (In other words, make sure
when the power cables meet, that the voltages end up on the same
pins as they used to.) Now your video card has its own permanent
"piggy tail".
+----------------------+
| X------ M M ------ From
| X------ o o ------ PSU
} Video card X------ l l ------
| X------ e e ------
| | x x
+----------------------+
The reason for using the Y cable, is it would be difficult to
find a right angle soldertail Molex PCB mount connector at your
corner store. On the other hand, virtually every computer store
carries the Y cable. RadioShack used to have them, but I haven't
checked there lately.
What I cannot tell you, is whether the holes in the PCB are big
enough for the wire gauge used on the Y cable. Some hole patterns
for Moles, have generous holes.
If you need someone to do the soldering, try a Radio/TV repair
shop, if there are any of those left. Some Radio/TV sales stores
have a repair in the back, that may be able to handle it. Since
you are providing the parts, it should just be a soldering job.
I personally would not trust a blackened or oxidized pin for too
long. I had a piece of lab equipment, where I was constantly cleaning
and fixing an internal connector between two assemblies. Even when
cleaned, the burned pins would eventually make bad connections again.
Eventually I soldered a solution in place and that fixed it. If replacement
connectors are available, they are a better solution than applying
bandaids. The lab equipment used an obscure connector I could not find
a replacement for. Soldering it together was an act of desperation.
The 9800pro uses a lot of +5V current, and that will be the pin
that burned. The connector is rated for more current than the
9800pro draws, so by design at least, it is a safe design. If
for any reason, the connector fits loose, that can be a reason
for the thing to overheat and blacken.
Paul
Adam
"Paul" <nos...@needed.com> wrote in message news:fb73pm$61r$1...@aioe.org...
I wish I had bought a molex extension long ago to
avoid having to yank at the one connected to the video card.
There was an awful lot of connecting/disconnecting because
I had so much trouble installing this video card.
There must have been a bad connection or two,
which caused the problem.
Buffalo
>
> I wish I had bought a molex extension long ago to
> avoid having to yank at the one connected to the video card.
> There was an awful lot of connecting/disconnecting because
> I had so much trouble installing this video card.
> There must have been a bad connection or two,
> which caused the problem.
Sounds like you're getting to the point where the card will work fine again.
It sure sounds like it could have been a poor power connection. Well, with
your new heatsink, it should run cooler and very quiet.
Post back with the results.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Yes, very close now ... the VGA cooler is
attached to the video card and ready to be
connected to the AGP slot. I had to
move my backup PCI video card out of
PCI Slot 1 and into another PCI slot (just in case).
All I have to do now is buy DeoxIT,
clean that molex connector, attach a Y-cable,
plug the AGP video card in and, hopefully,
it will work cooler/better than ever. ;o)
Buffalo
I think you're going overboard with buying DeoxIT, but what the heck. Have
you tried rubbing alcohol or other solvents?
They sell electrical contact cleaner at Radio Shack, and many other places.
You probably don't need that backup PCI vid card in there. If the AGP one
still doesn't work, install the PCI card then.
You may have to go into the BIOS to select which vid card has the priority
if you leave both installed.
You may have to uninstall the PCI vid card drivers before installing the AGP
drivers.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Too late ... I already bought a bottle of DeoxIT D5 (not DN5).
Expensive stuff. Hope it's the right one. Hope it doesn't run onto
the video card and destroy it. Scary thought.
I don't leave both video cards in the system for too long.
Yes, there's a BIOS setting for video card selection.
Buffalo
>
> Too late ... I already bought a bottle of DeoxIT D5 (not DN5).
> Expensive stuff. Hope it's the right one. Hope it doesn't run onto
> the video card and destroy it. Scary thought.
>
> I don't leave both video cards in the system for too long.
> Yes, there's a BIOS setting for video card selection.
Waitng to hear the results. Hopefully it will be very good
Dan
unknown source in your fields as the first post?
"Buffalo" wrote:
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:uSczBNr...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Who are you talking to, Dan?
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP Shell/User
>
> A very good question.
>
>
>
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
I won't be able to get around to it until
late tonight or tomorrow. Ah, suspense ...
BTW, how long do I need to wait for DeoxIT to dry?
Buffalo
From their website:
http://store.caig.com/s.nl/it.I/id.52/.f?sc=17&category=-117
"
1. Connector Maintenance (RCA, XLR, BNC, DVI, COAX, etc.)
NOTE: If the part is used or in service, assume it.s oxidized.
Metal surfaces:
1. Apply DeoxIT® contact cleaner to metal contact/connector surface. When
connectors contain surface
particles (dust, dirt, etc.) along with oxidation, use DeoxIT® spray with
flushing solvent (#D5MS-
15). When the surface is free from most surface particles, use DeoxIT®
without a flushing solvent
(#DN5MS-15).
2. Operate device to help displace contaminants from contact surface.
3. Repeat Step 1.
4. If surface is heavily oxidized, leaving DeoxIT® contact cleaner on
overnight, is recommended.
5. The next day remove the contaminants lifted by DeoxIT® with lint free
swab, cloth on accessible
surfaces or repeat Step 1 to displace contaminants from contact surface.
Process may need to be
repeated if surface is heavily oxidized. When surface is clean, no residue
on the cloth, finish with a
couple short bursts of DeoxIT®.
6. For extended protection: After surface is clean, apply DeoxIT® GOLD
(ProGold) for indoor
applications or DeoxIT® SHIELD (PreservIT) for outdoor applications."
Buffalo
http://store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.188/.f
From Which Product, Which Spray
It really sounds like the solvent evaporates in a few minutes, but it leaves
a protective coating.
Also from their website for the D5 spray:
"Which DeoxIT® Spray do I Use?
A) Standard Spray: Provides flushing action
Products:
DeoxIT® D5 Spray (D5S-6) & DeoxIT® D5 Mini-Spray (D5MS-15)
DeoxIT® GOLD G5 Spray (G5S-6) & DeoxIT® GOLD G5 Mini-Spray (G5MS-15)
DeoxIT® SHIELD S5 Spray (S5S-6) & DeoxIT® SHIELD S5 Mini-Spray (S5MS-15)
Formulation: 5% DeoxIT® (active ingredient), 75% odorless mineral spirits
(carrier solvent), 20% propellant
Formulation contains petroleum naphtha (odorless mineral spirits) solvent,
and is briefly flammable (until
solvent evaporates within 2-3 minutes). It’s slower to evaporate, providing
flushing action to remove surfaces
dirt, grease and other contaminants. Is ideal for connectors and components
removed from equipment
or those that are easily accessible. It is safe on plastics. When in doubt,
always test for compatibility, especially
vintage equipment with aging ABS plastic(s)."
Also for the DN-5
"B) Non drip - Quick Dry Spray: Nonflammable, fast evaporating carrier
solvent formula
Products:
DeoxIT® DN5 Spray (DN5S-6) & DeoxIT® DN5 Mini-Spray (DN5MS-15)
DeoxIT® GOLD GN5 Spray (GN5S-6N) & DeoxIT® GOLD GN5 Mini-Spray (GN5MS-15)
DeoxIT® GOLD GX5 Spray (GX5S-6N)
DeoxIT® SHIELD SN5 Spray (SN5S-6N) & DeoxIT® SHIELD SN5 Mini-Spray
(SN5MS-15)
Formulation: 5% DeoxIT® (active ingredient), 75%
1,1,1,3,3-PENTAFLUOROPROPANE (carrier solvent), 1-5%
isopropyl alcohol, 20% propellant
May be used where fast evaporation and/or non-flammability is required, and
no dripping is preferred.
It is also safe on plastics."
shaq
> "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
>
> news:mSVBi.51449$YL5....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:M-udnTcJWqFniUXb...@comcast.com...
> > > Adam wrote:
>
> > > > Too late ... I already bought a bottle of DeoxIT D5 (not DN5).
> > > > Expensive stuff. Hope it's the right one. Hope it doesn't run onto
> > > > the video card and destroy it. Scary thought.
>
> > > > I don't leave both video cards in the system for too long.
> > > > Yes, there's a BIOS setting for video card selection.
>
> > > Waitng to hear the results. Hopefully it will be very good
>
> > I won't be able to get around to it until
> > late tonight or tomorrow. Ah, suspense ...
>
> > BTW, how long do I need to wait for DeoxIT to dry?
>
> From their website:http://store.caig.com/s.nl/it.I/id.52/.f?sc=17&category=-117
>
> "
> 1. Connector Maintenance (RCA, XLR, BNC, DVI, COAX, etc.)
>
> NOTE: If the part is used or in service, assume it.s oxidized.
>
> Metal surfaces:
>
> connectors contain surface
>
> particles (dust, dirt, etc.) along with oxidation, use DeoxIT® spray with
> flushing solvent (#D5MS-
>
> 15). When the surface is free from most surface particles, use DeoxIT®
> without a flushing solvent
>
> (#DN5MS-15).
>
> 2. Operate device to help displace contaminants from contact surface.
>
> 3. Repeat Step 1.
>
> 4. If surface is heavily oxidized, leaving DeoxIT®contact cleaneron
> overnight, is recommended.
>
> 5. The next day remove the contaminants lifted by DeoxIT® with lint free
> swab, cloth on accessible
>
> surfaces or repeat Step 1 to displace contaminants from contact surface.
> Process may need to be
>
> repeated if surface is heavily oxidized. When surface is clean, no residue
> on the cloth, finish with a
>
> couple short bursts of DeoxIT®.
>
> 6. For extended protection: After surface is clean, apply DeoxIT® GOLD
> (ProGold) for indoor
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ideally you should use the DeoxIT GOLD. DeoxIT D5 should work also.
If using a spray, I would spray it onto a lint-free swab or cloth and
then wipe the edge connectors. For pins, sockets and other parts, I
would spray onto swab and dabb the surface. The spray shouldn't harm
anything on the boards, but over cautious is OK.
DeoxIT works for me everytime - as long as it is a connection
problem.. No other contact cleaner works like DeoxIT.
Mike
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Great! Thanks!
From talking with people at CAIG,
D5 is most commonly used. I wasn't able to
find the mini-spray (D5MS-15) in stores so
I bought the larger can that most stores stock, D5S-6.
I guess I'll be looking for ways to use this stuff up before
its shelf life expires in September 2009.
Adam
Well, it's installed and working for now. I'll have to
let it run overnight to see how it goes.
The thing that isn't perfect is the VGA cooler is so high that
it sticks out of the case and is not compatible with
the case cover (if I ever need to put it on).
Also, not sure why but, on bootup, the Windows logo bitmap has
a bunch of bad pixels at random places. After that, all looks fine.
Any ideas?
Adam
"RobV" <rob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> Adam wrote:
> > "RobV" <rob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:46cdb476$0$19000$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> >> Adam wrote:
> >>> My current setup is as follows ...
> >>>
> >>> Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)] with VIA 4in1 driver v4.43
> >>> AMD Athlon XP 1600+
> >>> AGP Slot: Video - 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
> >>> PCI Slot 1: -----
> >>> PCI Slot 2: NIC - 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
> >>> PCI Slot 3: Sound - Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
> >>> PCI Slot 4: USB Card
> >>> PCI Slot 5: -----
> >>> Operating System: Windows 98 Second Edition
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - bad pixels appear randomly on the screen
> >>> - the system freezes when I move the mouse
> >>> - something was mildly burning / overheating
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I powered off the system overnight. Turned it back on this morning.
> >>> It worked briefly. Then, the problem started up again.
> >>> On one reboot, I got the following message ...
> >>>
> >>> "You have not connected the power extension cable to
> >>> your Radeon 9800 video card
> >>> Please refer to the "Getting Started Guide" for
> >>> proper hardware installation !!!"
> >>>
> >>> After removing the video card, cleaning and reinserting,
> >>> the message (above) went away. But, I noticed that
> >>> the fan on the video card was not spinning. So,
> >>> my guess is that the video card is overheating.
> >>> Hopefully, this can be fixed somehow. Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> Also, I now get the following "warning" message ...
> >>>
> >>> "The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
> >>> no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working properly.
> >>> The ATI Control Panel will now exit."
> >>>
> >>> And, the only display setting that works is 640 x 480
> >>> It will not take any other resolution.
> >>
> >> then install the latest drivers for the card (if it lets you get that
> >> far).
> >>
> >
> > Good idea ... I'll uninstall and reinstall.
> >
> > I still don't have a good feeling about that
> > fan not spinning though. What's the best way to cool that Radeon
> > chip?
> > Add a card (in Slot 1) with a fan blowing at the AGP video card?
> > Is there such a card? Or, am I getting imaginative? ;o)
>
> As Ron mentioned, yes there is a fan mounted on a PCI slot so you blow
> cool air on the card. For now, leave the side off the computer and get
> a small (or large) fan blowing cool air into the computer. That will
> help determine if it's heat related alone, and not a card failure also.
>
I now have a small external fan blowing into the uncovered system.
CPU temp dropped by about 10 degrees. I have no way of
measuring GPU temp but my guess is that it dropped by
a similar amount. With the external fan, I might as well unplug that
internal case fan while the case is uncovered.
Adam
Well, the system has been running practically non-stop with
the VGA cooler installed since Friday evening. And,
all still looks fine with the exception of the shower of
bad pixels on the Windows "logo.sys" bitmap at startup.
Anyone know what's wrong?
Buffalo
>> Well, it's installed and working for now. I'll have to
>> let it run overnight to see how it goes.
>>
>> The thing that isn't perfect is the VGA cooler is so high that
>> it sticks out of the case and is not compatible with
>> the case cover (if I ever need to put it on).
>>
>> Also, not sure why but, on bootup, the Windows logo bitmap has
>> a bunch of bad pixels at random places. After that, all looks fine.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>
> Well, the system has been running practically non-stop with
> the VGA cooler installed since Friday evening. And,
> all still looks fine with the exception of the shower of
> bad pixels on the Windows "logo.sys" bitmap at startup.
> Anyone know what's wrong?
Happy to hear it's working well.
Perhaps the bitmap for the Windows Logo is corrupted.
You may be able to run SFC and replace it with one from your setup disk or
install one of the many other logos available on the Internet.
It is located: C:\Windows\Logos.sys and is around 130kb.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
It looks more like the "logo.sys" (not "logos.sys") bitmap. But,
"logo.sys" is NOT located in C:\Windows. It is located in
C:\BACKUP and C:\Windows\OPTIONS\CABS only.
Also, the PCI video card did not show a light shower of bad pixels.
Buffalo
You are correct about logo.sys and logos.sys.
Perhaps you could try uninstalling your AGP video card drivers and
installing the latest ones.
I'm out of ideas.
Hope your Radeon continues to work well otherwise.
PS: Perhaps you should try uninstalling your PCI vid drivers, before
installing the new AGP drivers.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Okay, I'll try playing around with the drivers. Thanks!
Jason San Diego
not sure if it's the exact same as yours. If you take the 4 pin power
connector off the card, see if one of the pins on the card is a little
darker than the rest. And look and the power connectopr coming ffrom the
power supply and see if it's got a dark spot. Mine seems to have a short or
something that burns out the power lead from the power supply. If I clean
off the power pins on the card, I can get it working again for a few months.
I started buying power adapter cables, the 5.25 fd to 3.5 fd ones, they cost
about $2 and then I don't have to worry about messing up the power supply.
hope that helps.
"Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
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> "Steph" <st...@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
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>> One word........HEAT
>>
>
> That's about as concise and precise as it gets. ;o)
>
>
Adam
So, I used DeoxIT to clean the male connector on the video card.
Then, I added a Y-cable in between the video card and
the power supply. I no longer use the female connector from
the power supply that has a burnt red/power pin. Not sure if
the 5.25 fd to 3.5 fd power adapter cables that you refer to are
similar to the Y-cable that I inserted. Do you have a link?
The Y-cable works great since I don't have to yank on
the power connector on the video card. Wish I used one from
the beginning.
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Jason San Diego
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SumGuy
> yeah, its about the same as a y connector, only a single connection.
>
LOL, same as a y connector...only not...
I'd call that an adapter. Y connectors resemble a "Y", hence their name.
Adam
Bootup using a different boot partition from a different HDD reduces
the chance of a corrupt "io.sys" file, which contains
the default Windows startup logo screen when "logo.sys" does not exist.
Adam
"Buffalo" <Er...@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
Booting into Safe Mode really magnifies the shower of bad pixels problem.
Doesn't this eliminate the ATI AGP video card as the cause of the problem?