Office 2007 classic menus
Rod
menus?
LVTravel
"Rod" <rodrod...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is it possible to have classic menus in Office 2007 i.e. revert to XP like
> menus?
>
>
>
Not from within Office '07. There are third party add-ons that can be
purchased to accomplish this. Search using Google.
samatit
You can also use official Microsoft's response on the matter at "Office
Online" website:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/EM102220661033.aspx?pid=CE102412891033
The link directs you to an external website which provides the software that
can change it to classic manus.
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to use old classic menu of office-2003 in Office-2007, from below page.
http://in.geocities.com/shahshaileshs/menuaddins
and if you still find difficult to search command in the Ribbon (Word, Excel
and PowerPoint) , there is a nice addon "Search Commands" by Microsoft
Office Labs, you can download from below site.
http://www.officelabs.com/Pages/Default.aspx
Regards,
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"Shailesh Shah" <shahsh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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BrianB
is listening.)
I support a set of power Office users that have customized their 2003 tool
bars to the extreme to display all the button that they use all the time.
This minimizes the amount of time spent opening the necessary menu or
toolbar and then selecting the desired function. They tried using Office
2007 for a little over three months. They tried adding their desired buttons
to the Quick Access Toolbar, but it could not hold enough buttons. Once they
got used to the new locations of the functions on the ribbon, they became
frustrated on how much more time they spent looking at the ribbon to see
which menu was active, selecting the menu that contains the function, and
then selecting the desired function. We figure that there was about a 5%
loss in productivity! We didn't think that more time would improve the
situation. The few users that like command shortcuts were happy that they
still worked, but they couldn't remember all the shortcuts that they needed
and not all the functions have a shortcut. Eventually we downgraded back to
Office 2003 and plan to either stay there permanently or switch to a more
power user friendly product (if any such exists).
Those that use Publisher were happy that 2007 did not transition to the
ribbon. They are annoyed with the reports that the next version of Publisher
has the ribbon.
Our opinion is that the ribbon is a neat idea that looks cool, is useful for
new users and users that do not use Office all day every day. But for power
users the ribbon makes it more difficult to use. We feel that it would have
been a good transition step to provide both the ribbon and the traditional
drop down menus to ease the learning curve. MS should have also provided the
option for the user to build and customize their own ribbon menu that would
contain whatever buttons that they desire.
Thank you for allowing me to be a bit grumpy and make another attempt to
help MS think about the usability for power users.
Brian Bygland
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Gordon
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> (This is an old argument, but I'll post it again on the off chance that MS
> is listening.)
>
> I support a set of power Office users that have customized their 2003 tool
> bars to the extreme to display all the button that they use all the time.
I would make two comments about that. Firstly as a "Power" office use since
Office 95, I have NEVER needed to customise any toolbar and secondly, as
their support person don't you find it a NIGHTMARE to support when
everyone's setup is different?
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> "BrianB" <br...@notreal.com> wrote in message
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>> (This is an old argument, but I'll post it again on the off chance that
>> MS is listening.)
>>
>> I support a set of power Office users that have customized their 2003
>> tool bars to the extreme to display all the button that they use all the
>> time.
>
>
> I would make two comments about that. Firstly as a "Power" office use
> since Office 95, I have NEVER needed to customise any toolbar and
> secondly, as their support person don't you find it a NIGHTMARE to support
> when everyone's setup is different?
>
every toolbar turned on all the time. This takes up screen space, but they
do not have to go hunting between ribbon menus to find the functions. (And
they do make a few changes to the toolbars to remove functions they never
use.) As far as supporting their customizations goes, I just insist that
they print a screen shot whenever they make changes so that when I have to
reload their box they can redo the customizations. Doesn't cause me much any
problem.
Brian
JoAnn Paules
ribbon and will be pleased when it finally does.
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You’ll find at least two or five products listed on Microsoft Office
Marketplace for each Office application if you search as:
For Access:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:office.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/+EM102402711033+OR+EM102321611033&num=100&hl=EN&as_qdr=all&filter=0
For Excel:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:office.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/+EM102325091033+OR+EM102220651033+OR+EM102321621033+OR+EM102674421033&num=100&hl=EN&as_qdr=all&filter=0
For PowerPoint:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:office.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/+EM102325091033+OR+EM102220671033+OR+EM102321631033&num=100&hl=EN&as_qdr=all&filter=0
For Word:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:office.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/+EM102325091033+OR+EM102220681033+OR+EM102321641033&num=100&hl=EN&as_qdr=all&filter=0
Regards,
Fanfoe
On Jan 30, 6:51 am, "LVTravel" <n...@nothere.com> wrote:
> "Rod" <rodrodrod...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
aussiebarb
surprised that the developers have dismantled the toolbar facility of Word
2003 and made it so difficult to customise commands for all sorts of tasks.
The Quick Access toolbar cannot contain all the special macros and commands
that I constantly use, and is rigidly confined to just two locations on the
screen.
I'm even more surprised that the Ribbon system is so labour intensive, with
many clicks being required to get to the desired command.
I, like Brian's team, have customised my toolbars in Word 2003 so that they
are readily available - anywhere on the page - and only the slightest hand
movement and a quick click achieves my aims. I am very frustrated at not
being able to do this vertically, horizontally, at the top of the page or the
bottom or in the middle of the page if I desire as I do a lot of complicated
formatting in Word for clients who use it as their primary wordprocessing
tool and need to maintain Word versions of their work; and are unfamiliar
with layout programs such as those produced by Adobe Systems, and in a hurry
to get work done to deadlines.
The Ribbons cater for inexperienced users of Word and try to make many
functions automatic, and it is very difficult to get around their pernicious
interference. I would really like to see the toolbar function restored and
the ease of drag and drop customisation of buttons. Word 2007 seems very
labour intensive, with too much movement from tab to tab, and too much need
for selecting and clicking, as I have suggested, and just the reinstatement
of toolbars and easy customisation would greatly increase its usability and
efficiency for experienced users.
I am surprised that in some of the posts I have seen, while the developers
at Microsoft have answered, they seem very defenisvie resistant to this idea
and even offended that a return to toolbars should be suggested. This is very
disappointing, and I urge them to change their minds and respond to the
requests from their loyal users. They might also consider rewriting the style
program so that it stops picking up every change one makes to the text on the
page. That remains a nuisance that could have beneficially been fixed for
Word 2007.
Regards from Australia.
Gordon
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> While there is a lot that I like about the look and feel of Word 2007, I
> am
> surprised that the developers have dismantled the toolbar facility of Word
> 2003 and made it so difficult to customise commands for all sorts of
> tasks.
> The Quick Access toolbar cannot contain all the special macros and
> commands
> that I constantly use, and is rigidly confined to just two locations on
> the
> screen.
Two reasons - firstly the immense complexity and depth that the 2003
toolbars had reached - see here for why the ribbon was developed in that
scenario:
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbon.aspx
Secondly, most Office seats are to be found in corporate environments, and
the ability to customise to the nth degree is a complete NIGHTMARE for the
support techies....
GuyWB
have been in the IT field for 20+ years at various levels. My organization
just started rolling out Office 2007 about two months ago, so I have had
this...thing for about three months. It has proven to be one of the most
frustrating pieces of garbage I have ever had the misfortune of using. If it
were up to me, we would stay with Office 2003 simply based on the horrific
mess that Microsoft has made of the interface. And to add insult to injury,
the flat-out arrogance of the "This is the way Microsoft wants it, if you
lowly customers don't like it, tough" attitude is just infuriating. Sorry
about the rant, but I am pretty much at my limit with fighting with this
abomination while trying to do the simplest of tasks. Maybe Microsoft should
try something "innovative" and ask it's customers what they want instead of
some designers with no clue as to how to write a FUNCTIONAL interface.
GuyWB
Gordon
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>I for one will probably never get "accustomed" to the ribbon interface. I
> have been in the IT field for 20+ years at various levels. My
> organization
> just started rolling out Office 2007 about two months ago, so I have had
> this...thing for about three months. It has proven to be one of the most
> frustrating pieces of garbage I have ever had the misfortune of using. If
> it
> were up to me, we would stay with Office 2003 simply based on the horrific
> mess that Microsoft has made of the interface. And to add insult to
> injury,
> the flat-out arrogance of the "This is the way Microsoft wants it, if you
> lowly customers don't like it, tough" attitude is just infuriating. Sorry
> about the rant, but I am pretty much at my limit with fighting with this
> abomination while trying to do the simplest of tasks. Maybe Microsoft
> should
> try something "innovative" and ask it's customers what they want instead
> of
> some designers with no clue as to how to write a FUNCTIONAL interface.
Interesting. I too have been in "IT" as an Advanced User of Lotus, MS
Office, WordPerfect and many other applications also for over 20 years.
I find the Ribbon GREAT once you get used to it. If your application skills
after twenty years preclude you from rapidly learning the ribbon, then may I
respectfully suggest you are in the wrong job?
GuyWB
I want the menus back.
Gordon
>I have tried using the Ribbons, it is nothing but an exercise in
>frustration.
For how long? You do realise that you can put all your frequently-used
commands on the QAT?
GuyWB
only a company with EXTREME ARROGANCE would have the attitude of "Tough, that
is what WE want, you insignificant customers will just have to shut up and
like it". If the customers are complaining about the ribbon interface (like
95% of them at my organization), maybe Microsoft should get off its high
horse and listen. Or, they can just continue to lose market share/customers.
GuyWB
support. Try actually supporting the end users, maybe then you will
understand.
JoAnn Paules
out Office 2007 soon. So let's say I'm using 2007 at home with an add-in and
now I'm going to be forced to make a living with the standard interface.
(Perhaps not forced - unless I insist on continuing working there and want a
paycheck. ) IT doesn't allow any software, etc to be installed and they sure
won't buy me an add-in so now what?
Fortunately for me, I've been using the ribbon for two years at home and I'm
somewhat accustomed to it. I've even volunteered to be an early adopter so
they can see what kind of issues may arise with some of the web apps we use.
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Steve Rindsberg
> Wrong attitude. If the PAYING CUSTOMER does not want the ribbon interface,
> only a company with EXTREME ARROGANCE would have the attitude of "Tough, that
> is what WE want, you insignificant customers will just have to shut up and
> like it".
I'm not especially fond of the new interface either, but that's neither here nor
there.
You have to understand one thing: you're not talking to Microsoft here. You're
talking to other users like (and unlike) yourself.
Like you, some think that the ribbon is a huge mistake.
Unlike you, some don't.
Other than making our opinions known to MS or installing add-ins, or learning
how to customize the ribbon ourselves, there's not a lot we can do that'll
change things immediately.
As far as making our opinions known:
To send feedback about Office 2007, follow the link you'll find here:
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00962.htm
Staying with 2003 is a pretty big stick, too, if enough people do it.
TorstenT
After having worked with Office 2007 for 8 months I think I am able to
provide some input to this discussion.
Long ago, I have started my Office career with MS Word 1.1 and and have
seen the Word version grow and become stable. The more I am disappointed
over Word 2007.
(1) How on earth can MS confront an army of Office users with such a
radical change?! Ever heard about backward compatibility?! This includes
the GUI as well, not just the file format.
(2) Even though I use shortcuts, classic menus, and custom toolbars for
efficient working, I try not be biased. I can see the advantage which
the ribbon provides for beginners and non-professional users.
But why does MS ignore the many experienced users? For those, the
ribbon interface means a clear loss of productivity. It is ridicolous
that MS claims that the ribbon is efficient if the typical shortcut
consist of 4 letters (compared to 2..3 letters in Word 2003).
The old menus and toolbars had the great advantage that every menu had
its fixed place on the screen, and an experienced user could almost
blindly navigate. The new ribbon is packed with icons and constantly
changes appearance so that the user is forced to spend time &
concentration of finding the right button. Again, this might be great
for newcomers, but for more advanced users this is a pain in the neck.
(3) The Quick Access Toolbar is OK, but compared to the lost custom
toolbars it is rather an alibi:
- there is only one toolbar now
- it cannot be positioned freely
- it does not permit custom icons
Again, again, MS seems to favour newcomers over professional users.
(4) Apart from all GUI complaints, Word 2007 has also cut / changed
functions which help the advanced (again!) user to work more efficient.
Most prominent example: Styles. A brilliant thing to achieve
consistently formatted documents, it is now so complicated that I have
almost given up. Hundreds of colourful styles clutter the style lists -
but who in his right mind and with the slightest idea of typography
would use these nightmare styles in a technical document?!
Another example: The "outline" view and toolbar. Where is the good old
outline toolbar which had buttons "1", "2",..."All" ? Instead, there is
a list box and no buttons which I could place in the Quick Acccess
Toolbar.
(5) Last but not least, Word 2007 is simply buggy:
- When cutting/pasting or dragging table rows within a table, Word cuts
the table int two or more tables
- I use a table style to shade the header row. About five times a day,
one of the tables in my document, the shade is gone. Or, all table rows
get shaded.
- When working in "Draft" view (i.e. 99% of the time when not
printing), Word 2007 does not show images. Only workaround: Save the
document in Word97/2003 format.
- even simple things like document property fields can become
inconsistent
To sum it all up: Word 2007 is really a huge stepback. Only new users
can benefit from its ribbon, while experienced users are appalled.
Useful features have been removed, the stability has decreased.
I hope someone in the MS Office product management will read this.
There is always the chance to make a better version.
Regards,
Torsten
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Tom Willett
:
: I hope someone in the MS Office product management will read this.
: There is always the chance to make a better version.
:
: Regards,
: Torsten
:
Since this is a peer-to-peer newsgroup, it's doubtful.
Companies don't stay in business by listening to their customers. If they
did, there would never be any change, and they couldn't release new products
to make more money.
Gordon
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> But why does MS ignore the many experienced users?
As a recently-retired Systems Accountant I can tell you that the numbers of
"experienced" users are far exceeded by "ordinary" users. I'll repeat this
again: 75% of Office users ONLY use 25% of the functionality available....
Tom Willett
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Gordon
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> And 65% of statistics can be made up.
>
True - but I speak from quite a number of years as a Systems Accountant.....
Tom Willett
or is this something just pulled out of the air because of your number of
years as a system accountant. The numbers have to come from somewhere..;-)
I can spew numbers left and right on many things based upon quite a number
of years in marketing.
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Gordon
> So, we take your word for it, or, can you post a link to cite your
> figures,
> or is this something just pulled out of the air because of your number of
> years as a system accountant. The numbers have to come from somewhere..;-)
>
> I can spew numbers left and right on many things based upon quite a number
> of years in marketing.
And I would generally bow to your expertise in Marketing.
Mr Creosote
Gordon from MS, I work in the fabrication industry where a PC is a tool
to get a job done and it is not a career. Your arguments are akin to us
making new cars with the steering wheel in the trunk, the gas pedals in
the rear and the speedometer reading backwards/upside down and not
explaining why this is more effiicient. The fact is, I can get in any
car, start the engine, put it in gear and drive away (LHD and RHD, stick
and automatic). Now I have a nice new PC where I need to read and
respond to e-mail and edit Word documents quickly and efficiently but
after scratching my head all day, I am recommending that we turn back to
Office 2003 due to the lost productivity that is inevitable. The fact is
MS don't seem to even have given any perceived benefits of using Office
2007 over 2003 and if there are any, they are outweighed by the steep
learning curve. Are there actually any rear benefits in using 2007?
MS shot themselves in the foot with Vista and are replacing it with 7 -
we for one won't t use 7 until at least SP1 has been released. Are there
any plans for Office 2009/2010 which (please) addresses the menu issues
that too many people are having problems with?
BTW - making it easier for MS techies to deal with customers is not
exactly customer focused. Also, if you are ever lucky enough to get
technical help from MS or any software vendor these days without
committing to spend $100's - well you are lucky
PPS has Bill ever used Office 2007? I hear he was ever so frustrated
when he tried to use Vista!
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Gordon
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>
> BTW - making it easier for MS techies to deal with customers is not
> exactly customer focused.
Nothing to do with MS techies at all - as I have had some experience with IT
support within large organisations it's those people that have an enormous
job trying to support USERS (not customers) who are at liberty to
"customise" prior versions of Office to the nth degree. It's a support
nightmare.
Mr Creosote
Are you saying USERS are not CUSTOMERS? I think they are both the same.
I understand the frustration when people customize software but that can
be a limitation of support. BUT to change the whole user interface is
punishing everyone.
I will be going back to 2003 as I have a job to do and do not have the
time to relearn how to use the complete Office Suite. I can live with a
few mods and added features but 2007 is beyond a joke - actually its a
nightmare for me knowing the limitations of my team who are in line for
new PC's and not wanting to lose valuable production time as they waste
time learning a new philosophy to get the same old job done
Gordon
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> I understand the frustration when people customize software but that can
> be a limitation of support. BUT to change the whole user interface is
> punishing everyone.
>
> I will be going back to 2003 as I have a job to do and do not have the
> time to relearn how to use the complete Office Suite. I can live with a
> few mods and added features but 2007 is beyond a joke - actually its a
> nightmare for me knowing the limitations of my team who are in line for
> new PC's and not wanting to lose valuable production time as they waste
> time learning a new philosophy to get the same old job done
>
75% of Office users only use 25% of it's functionality. If it takes them
THAT long to work out how to do the normal everyday recurring tasks, then
there is something wrong.
Yes there may be an initial temporary slow-down, but if your staff are of
reasonable calibre with reasonable application skills they will be back to
full speed in a very SHORT time.
JoAnn Paules
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Gordon
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> BTW - Gordon is not a Microsoft employee,
Correct - I'm just an ordinary Office user who has used Office since Office
95, also Wordperfect, Lotus and Open Office. (Admittedly at fairly advanced
level, especially with Excel)
In all my years as a Systems and Management Accountant I have never ever
needed to customise anything....
Mr Creosote
Gordon;4551711 Wrote:
> "Mr Creosote" <Mr.Creoso...@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
> >
>
> 75% of Office users only use 25% of it's functionality. If it takes
> them
> THAT long to work out how to do the normal everyday recurring tasks,
> then
> there is something wrong.
> Yes there may be an initial temporary slow-down, but if your staff are
> of
> reasonable calibre with reasonable application skills they will be back
> to
> full speed in a very SHORT time.
Many I work with are still challenged by 2003 so changing their world
and comfort zone for no perceivable advantage is a bizarre choice.
There seems to still be no explanation as to why the user interface
changed -i.e. what are the benefits of learning this at the end of the
day? Will productivity go up? Are there new features that will make my
life easier?
I have read way too much in the past 24hrs to see that many absolutley
hate the new interface and want a classic style interface. MS will
either listen and revise the software or will force their new idea on us
all. Remember new Coke?
I see the market for 3rd party ad-ons that provide menus has grown -
that indiacates there is a problem - wouldn't MS want to be providing a
complete solution that covers all user needs?
JoAnn Paules
nice thing is that by doing so, I can work on almost anyone's computers.
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Gordon
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>
> and comfort zone for no perceivable advantage is a bizarre choice.
I think you might be surprised. If they are "challenged" by Office 2003,
then I suggest that the introduction of the ribbon in 2007 might actually
HELP them rather than hinder.
One of the main reasons for the introduction of the ribbon was to get away
from the sub-menus of sub-menus of sub-menus of sub-menus that had been
built up by a sort of "mission creep" in Office 2003, thus making functions
deeply hidden within all those nesting menus....
Have a look at this:
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbon.aspx