WPPSI-R Scores
Yan Lange
are:
Performance IQ: 151
Verbal IQ: 156
Full IQ: 160
What do these scores mean?
This was an entrance test for a private school for gifted children.
However, she was not accepted because the school felt she was not
ready for peer interactions. As parents we have always known that she
is very special; her development is unique. She is extremely bright:
reads at three and an half, plays her little piano all by herself, and
never forgets anything! She is very interested in socializing with
adults, but not children! She will not play slide whenever other
children are on it, fearing other children might push her and she will
get hurt. Anyway, she is very bright and challenging. We are very
concerned that she may never be interested in playing with children of
her own age. Is there anything we could do to help? Again, if she
cannot pass the private school social-emotional screening, then she
will have to attend our neighborhood school, which has no gifted
program. We are concerned she may be bored if she is so much advanced
in class. Any help are appreciated.
Thanks.
Yan
(we live in San Francisco Bay Area, California)
Anna
it has some articles on stuff like that!
Anna
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Ray L
> never forgets anything! She is very interested in socializing with
> adults, but not children! She will not play slide whenever other
As a kid, I socialized with only a very small segment of the kids at school,
but did well with most adults. I learned social skills from my
parents, who were adults.
> children are on it, fearing other children might push her and she will
> get hurt. Anyway, she is very bright and challenging. We are very
I have a scar on my lower lip.
> concerned that she may never be interested in playing with children of
> her own age. Is there anything we could do to help? Again, if she
> cannot pass the private school social-emotional screening, then she
> will have to attend our neighborhood school, which has no gifted
What are these tests like?
T. Scott Frick
> are:
>
> Performance IQ: 151
> Verbal IQ: 156
> Full IQ: 160
>
> What do these scores mean?
IQ of 160, assuming the typical variance of 256, means an IQ of 1 in 11310.
Lots of information on the WPPSI-Revised at:
http://www.nswagtc.org.au/info/identification/WPPSIR.html
The Buros Institute reviews tests at:
http://www.unl.edu/buros/
> This was an entrance test for a private school for gifted children.
> However, she was not accepted because the school felt she was not
> ready for peer interactions. As parents we have always known that she
Why do you want your daughter in the care of someone else at four years?
> is very special; her development is unique. She is extremely bright:
> reads at three and an half, plays her little piano all by herself, and
> never forgets anything! She is very interested in socializing with
> adults, but not children! She will not play slide whenever other
My son lectured my coworkers about canopical jars at four. Aren't kids
cute? After a while you just give up hoping your kids will do normal
things.
> children are on it, fearing other children might push her and she will
> get hurt. Anyway, she is very bright and challenging. We are very
> concerned that she may never be interested in playing with children of
> her own age. Is there anything we could do to help? Again, if she
What alternatives do you see? What would you want someone to do for (to)
you if you were in your daughter's place? It is my opinion only, but four
years old is way too early to worry about whether she has friends her own
age.
> cannot pass the private school social-emotional screening, then she
> will have to attend our neighborhood school, which has no gifted
> program. We are concerned she may be bored if she is so much advanced
> in class. Any help are appreciated.
There is always homeschooling, unless that is not allowed in California.
Carlos
search. http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=wppsi-r+test&hc=0&hs=0
On 28 May 2002 15:28:30 -0500, yan...@speakeasy.net (Yan Lange)
wrote:
Yan Lange
> Yan Lange <yan...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:1d3158a7.02052...@posting.google.com...
>
> > never forgets anything! She is very interested in socializing with
> > adults, but not children! She will not play slide whenever other
>
> As a kid, I socialized with only a very small segment of the kids at school,
> but did well with most adults. I learned social skills from my
> parents, who were adults.
>
> > children are on it, fearing other children might push her and she will
> > get hurt. Anyway, she is very bright and challenging. We are very
>
> I have a scar on my lower lip.
We knew her fear was valid: she knows well what she is able to do or
not. She has a "adult's brain" but a "child's body". We are glad she
is bright, but the teachers of the private school thought she is not
"social-emotional ready" for the pre-school.
>
> > concerned that she may never be interested in playing with children of
> > her own age. Is there anything we could do to help? Again, if she
> > cannot pass the private school social-emotional screening, then she
> > will have to attend our neighborhood school, which has no gifted
>
> What are these tests like?
It's about one and an half hours playgroup interview. About 15
applicants were put together with teachers. The activities were
classroom-like, in doors and out doors.
Thanks.
Yan
Yan Lange
> > My four-year old daughter had wppsi-r test two weeks ago. Her scores
> > are:
> >
> > Performance IQ: 151
> > Verbal IQ: 156
> > Full IQ: 160
> >
> > What do these scores mean?
>
> IQ of 160, assuming the typical variance of 256, means an IQ of 1 in 11310.
>
> Lots of information on the WPPSI-Revised at:
> http://www.nswagtc.org.au/info/identification/WPPSIR.html
>
> The Buros Institute reviews tests at:
> http://www.unl.edu/buros/
Thanks.
>
> > This was an entrance test for a private school for gifted children.
> > However, she was not accepted because the school felt she was not
> > ready for peer interactions. As parents we have always known that she
>
> Why do you want your daughter in the care of someone else at four years?
My daughter wanted to go to the preschool. I have been with her since
she was born, and have been taking her to music, art and dance classes
every week so she can have some fun. She had been very happy with the
arrangement. About three months ago she asked us to let her play in
the preschool. She came out of her little shell! She became very
social - with teachers or grownups, and she became interested in other
children also, but not to the level to play together. So we enrolled
her into the preschool in our neighborhood, and applied for the
private school for gifted children also. We know she is very bright,
so we would like to enroll her into a school specialized in this field
so at least the teachers will understand the gifted children better.
She is very happy attending her preschool(twice a week, three hours in
the morning).
>
> > is very special; her development is unique. She is extremely bright:
> > reads at three and an half, plays her little piano all by herself, and
> > never forgets anything! She is very interested in socializing with
> > adults, but not children! She will not play slide whenever other
>
> My son lectured my coworkers about canopical jars at four. Aren't kids
> cute? After a while you just give up hoping your kids will do normal
> things.
>
> > children are on it, fearing other children might push her and she will
> > get hurt. Anyway, she is very bright and challenging. We are very
> > concerned that she may never be interested in playing with children of
> > her own age. Is there anything we could do to help? Again, if she
>
> What alternatives do you see? What would you want someone to do for (to)
> you if you were in your daughter's place? It is my opinion only, but four
> years old is way too early to worry about whether she has friends her own
> age.
>
> > cannot pass the private school social-emotional screening, then she
> > will have to attend our neighborhood school, which has no gifted
> > program. We are concerned she may be bored if she is so much advanced
> > in class. Any help are appreciated.
>
> There is always homeschooling, unless that is not allowed in California.
Well, I don't think homeschooling is an option for me. I was born and
raised in China, coming to this country only after I graduated from a
graduated school. Although I have a Masters Degree in Computer
Science, and was graduated from the most prestigeous school in China,
I am not capable of teaching my daughter English among many other
aspects.
Thanks.
Yan
YT TIGER
old. These classes do all sorts of things for the children, including arts,
crafts, learning to cut and draw, interaction with other children, games,
singing, dancing, etc., but it also gives instruction to the parents on things
that are important to know about children. As much research as I do, I still
learn something every time I go to these classes. My children are only 2 and 3
(15 months apart), but they have already discusses the ideal time for children
to start school.
Four years old is young to start school, even with the IQ your daughter has.
(You didn't say whether it was preschool or kindergarten, so I'm guessing it is
kindergarten) (To give you a little comparison, Einstein had an IQ of about
140.)
Many parents make the mistake of starting their children too early for school.
The success of children in school is not limited to theri intelectuall
abilities, but even more important is their emotional readiness. Starting
children too early sets them up for failure because they enter into an
environment they are not ready for, and being socially ready is just as, if not
MORE important than intellectual capability. Instead of enrolling her in public
school, put off having her start it for another year, when her maturity level
will match what school will require of her.
Maturity levels play huge rolls in schools today. Lagging social development
is one of the most important factors today in assessing school readiness. It
isn't a coincidence that many children, having summer or fall birthdays,
younger than others, becocome problem learners.
Kindergarteners today memorize poetry and keep journals, it isn't like when us
parents went to school and learned shapes, colors, pasting and tying our shoes.
Homework for kindergarteners lasting over 2 hours is not unheard of. This is in
CA...
Some things to watch out for as far as social readiness for the task of
kindergarten are as follows: ALl of them are necessary for kindergarten
readiness.
1.) Enjoy playing with other children as well as alone
2.) Be able to leave parents and stay with another adult and/or group of
children
3.) Be willing to obey and follow directions given by adults.
4.) Respect rights and belongings of other children
5.) Be able to physially contain herself and keep hands to himself
6.) Understand the ideas of sharing and taking turns.
Neil Gibson
usually on a par with intellectual maturity. That is, gifted children move
through the social stages earlier than their chronological peers.
Many parents of gifted children are misdirected into believing that their
social skills are behind those of other children. In fact, nothing could be
further from the truth. They don't appear to be 'social', simply because
they have no-one to be social with. The other children don't have the
capacity to understand their thoughts and ideas. This is why gifted
children tend to be drawn to adults instead.
Research shows that early entry into school, and accelerated progression are
extremely beneficial to the highly gifted child. Of course, a full time
gifted class is even better.
Socially, children are far more likely to find like-minds in such a setting.
They won't like every gifted child, but they will have a much greater choice
of children with common interests. You also won't encounter the 'dumbing
down' which often occurs when a gifted child is trying to fit into a regular
classroom.
It is also important to remember that many gifted children will never have a
group of friends. If they are lucky, they will find one good friendship
which will endure. Some children never find that friend. Children tend not
to like others who are always right.
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Yan Lange
the issue some more thoughts and come to the same conclusion. You
mentioned some research, can you point me to some sites in which such
research is published?
Another question, does it make sense for a school specialized for
gifted children to evaluate the social readiness of gifted children
this way? I understand a school has its right to choose whatever
students it likes, but is it possible that a school may have chosen
the wrong approach just because misunderstanding? It means to recruit
gifted children which are socially ready as well, but by simply
following how regular IQ children are evaluated, will it get the
correct answer? So, how wide the above theory are accepted? From
what I have read, the common believes are the ones in YT Tiger's
message. But I fully believe the theory you mentioned. This is based
on my own four-year experience on raising my daughter, who is
extremely gifted in many ways and very social (with adaults and older
kids), and my husband's and mine own life long experience. My
husband's IQ was extremely high, and although I have never been
tested, I had always been the smartest in schools. We have some
friends, but not too many. Most of our friends are life-long, I
still keep correspondance with my friend from elementary school, just
one though. We are happy to be together with our friends, but bored
easily in many other social getherings. Are we social? It all
depends on which group of people we are with. The lucky thing is that
we do have a choice. It is so good to be grown-ups.
Yan Lange
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Ray L
> one though. We are happy to be together with our friends, but bored
> easily in many other social getherings. Are we social? It all
> depends on which group of people we are with. The lucky thing is that
> we do have a choice. It is so good to be grown-ups.
Are you in mensa? Those folks can be lots of fun to hang
out with.
Neil Gibson
little boy", and therefore should remain with his age cohorts. Even though
we have now found a school which challenges him, and gives him
developmentally appropriate work, his teacher will tell me that he is
immature. What they don't understand is that if he has no outlet for his
intellectual energy, it will come out in physical ways. I am the same.
When bored or frustrated, I simply cannot remain still. In my son it
expresses itself in other ways, which may be irritating to the teacher, and
amusing to his fellow students. Those gifted children which appear socially
immature are often those who most need acceleration. And the notion that we
need to get along with our chronological peers is just absurd. I had one
good friend throughout my entire school years. I was lucky to find a
like-mind. And in my adult years, I have only one friend of the same age,
but many more with similar interests. My husband and I are also happier
without a large social group. We do not, in our adult life, choose friends
because of age. Most of the children our gifted children come into contact
with during their schooling, will lead very different lives to them.
How did the school decide she wasn't socially ready? If she was observed
with the other children, it may simply be that she was rejected by them
socially, as many gifted children are in the regular classroom. This would
make sense as it sounds like you have a profoundly gifted child on your
hands. The absence of close peer relationships is often misunderstood as
social immaturity by teachers. Many schools don't recognise that profoundly
gifted children are as far removed from moderately gifted children, as
moderately gifted children are from the average.
I am in Australia. I have found GERRIC at the University of New South Wales
to be invaluable. When I was faced with an unhappy six year old with
physical symptoms of illness every morning before school, I started looking
for answers. The school had tested my son and found him to be highly
gifted, but seemed to be determined to cure him of the 'condition'. They
told me he would 'level out'. Thank goodness I looked elsewhere for
answers. I had actually felt that my child was ready to start school a year
early, but allowed myself to be talked out of it. I have always regretted
this.
I have a lot of information on this topic, but I'm not entirely sure which
box I've packed it in. (we're moving). I will certainly try to locate it,
and find the relevant web addresses. Miraca Gross at GERRIC is currently
doing more research into the socialisation of gifted children. I believe
she has a book on the topic also.
Cinta
Yan Lange
children being unfairly treated in school, for their giftness! My
observation tells me that our society, as a whole, does not fully
understand, or does not wish to aknowledge, that a gifted child will
think and act differently in many other aspects, not just smarter in
academics. My daughter really likes to communicate with people, but
she just cannot find anyone in her age group to communicate with. Our
society does not wish to acknowledge this fact, maybe it is easier to
manage this way? I grew up in China, during the Cultural Revolution
period, which was a dark period in China. The government even did not
allow people to think there were differences in IQ among people:
anyone was just as capable as anyone else. Many people were happy
this way: felt better. People tend to follow trends, why bother?
Western world acknowledges that people do have different capabilities,
that is very brave. To realize that gifted children are socially more
advanced as well is not that difficult, so far as I see it, so it
puzzles me why so many people, including many educators and schools,
do not acknowledge it.
My daughter is only four, so precious. I will work very hard to let
her have a happy childhood. It won't be easy, being gifted. Hard to
change people's opinions, only hope she will be lucky next year.
Thanks.
Yan Lange
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Vinny
Though I do not have children as a Mensan I know what you mean about being
social. I have only two life long friends and I too get bored easily in
social situations. My problem is that my wife is of average or a little
above average in intelligence and enjoys social gatherings of which there is
many where she works in real estate. Every week there is a bank or mortgage
company hosting a party for the real estate agents not to mention the
frequent get together with other Century 21 agents. At first I used to go
with her but I was always accused of having a bored look on my face; maybe
because I was bored you think?. Then it became because I thought I was
better than everyone else so I did not enjoy their company. What she fails
to realize is that aside from the fact that 80% of the conversations pertain
to her business or who they know in their business, the other 20% is a bunch
of mis-facts, conjecture and popular beliefs that are unsubstantiated. I am
constantly amazed at how people can read an article and come away with the
wrong impression of what was being said. I have found that many people
simply read the first few lines and then form their opinions.
This caused some conflict between us. I want to be a good husband and I have
to recognize her needs also. My solution sad to say was to take a
tranquilizer before such events, have a drink or two and then I actually
have fun. In this way I do not get upset or bothered when people say things
that are blatantly wrong or of no interest.
Sorry for the detour but your comments about being social hit home.
Georg Wilckens
> to recognize her needs also. My solution sad to say was to take a
> tranquilizer before such events, have a drink or two and then I actually
> have fun. In this way I do not get upset or bothered when people say things
> that are blatantly wrong or of no interest.
SCNR but this just fits too well:
An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his
friends. -- Ernest Hemingway
Regards,
Georg
Yvette Modayur
still timid about physical things but
now actively seeks out kids to play with. She is 5years old now. It's not
unusual at all for younger kids to be less interested in playing with
children.
Yvette
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