Hi Alastair,
Thanks so much for sharing the doi and your response to the comment.
You did a great job to summarize debates in literature regarding this
issue; congratulations for the publication! The comment we received
was similar to yours, "Can you clarify how spatial autocorrelation is
dealt with within the statistical model? The analysis won't be
appropriate if you are assuming independent errors if the errors are
correlated in space." I also feel that there has not been
well-explored method to deal with SAC in Maxent. Perhaps comparing
Maxent models to models built using e.g. GLM might shed some light,
but that's beyond the scope of our manuscript.
Ophelia
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Alastair Potts <
pot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ophelia,
>
> Here is the DOI to the paper (doi:10.1111/j.1365-2699.2012.02788.x); however
> I never did find suitable answers to the autocorrelation question. I had to
> argue my way out of that query.
>
> Below are my responses to the reviewer's query:
>
> [Reviewer]
>
> Perhaps associated with this is the question of spatial autocorrelation and
> how susceptible Maxtent’s results are to this. AST cells are distinctly
> clustered in space, as are the background cells used for calculating AUC
> values. Could the way Maxent apportions the likelihood of a cell having
> presence allow explanatory climate variables that are not important to creep
> into the model because of this? If so, projected results might have some
> further limitations.
>
>
> [Response]
>
> Spatial autocorrelation is may be a significant problem in all species
> distribution modelling exercises, but as yet, we feel that there has been no
> consistent and well-researched means to implement controls for
> autocorrelation. There have been suggestions on how to deal with this – e.g.
> Dormann et al. (2007) – however, the applicability of these methods and
> their influence on results has not been explored (for example, see Betts et
> al., 2009). How different models are influenced by autocorrelation has also
> not been explored.
>
>
>
> With regards specifically to Maxent: the inclusion of Spatial Eigen Vector
> Maps (SEVM) have been used in a handful of studies to ‘control’ for
> autocorrelation. De Marco & Biollett (2008) model simulated distributions
> using environmental and environmental plus SEVM data. They conclude that
> using SEVM data is most beneficial when a species is not in equilibrium with
> its environmental conditions (i.e. expanding or contracting – expansion is
> most troubling when modelling invasive species). We feel that the AST can be
> considered to be largely in equilibrium with its current environment as
> dramatic expansion and contraction (other than man-induced contraction) have
> not been noted by botanists in the region. Furthermore, we are worried by
> the usage of the SEVM in the study by De Marco & Biollett (2008): Figure
> 2(c) demonstrates that the Maxent model residuals remain autocorrelated
> whether SEVM is included in the model or not – thus the SEVM has not removed
> the problem of autocorrelation. SEVM has been used inconsistently and rather
> opaquely in other studies (e.g. Reshetnikov & Ficetola, In Press), with no
> explicit discussion on how this influences the results produced by Maxent.
>
>
>
> Other authors have claimed to test for autocorrelation and used overly
> conservative p adjustments to state that they have no autocorrelation in
> their model residuals. For example, Mateo-Tomas & Olea (2010) produce a
> Moran’s I correlogram (Figure S1) that would surely have significant Moran’s
> I values had they not used a progressive Bonferroni correction.
>
>
>
> In summary, we feel that autocorrelation is possibly an important factor
> that may affect our results; however, there is no ‘standard’ and
> well-explored method to deal with it. As pointed out recently by Dormann
> (2007), spatial autocorrelation is a largely unresolved problem in species
> (in our case vegetation) distribution modelling. However, Diniz-Filho et al.
> (2003) state “Claims that analyses that do not take into account spatial
> autocorrelation are flawed are without foundation” primarily because of the
> remaining uncertainty that surrounds the issue. The ‘problem’ of
> autocorrelation is that we do not know how to deal with it (both in this
> paper and in the niche modelling community) – as such we have decided not to
> comment on this issue in an already over-laden paper. If the Editor believes
> this is incorrect, and would like us to deal with the issue, then we will
> gladly do so.
>
>
> Betts, M.G., Ganio, L.M., Huso, M.M.P., Som, N.A., Huettmann, F., Bowman, J.
> & Wintle, B.A. (2009) Comment on “Methods to account for spatial
> autocorrelation in the analysis of species distributional data: a review”.
> Ecography, 32, 374-378.
>
> De Marco, P., Diniz-Filho, J.A.F. & Bini, L.M. (2008) Spatial analysis
> improves species distribution modelling during range expansion. Biology
> Letters, 4, 577-580.
>
> Dormann, C.F., Mcpherson, J.M., Araújo, M.B., Bivand, R., Bolliger, J.,
> Carl, G., Davies, R.G., Hirzel, A., Jetz, W., Kissling, W.D., Kühn, I.,
> Ohlemüller, R., Peres-Neto, P.R., Reineking, B., Schröder, B., Schurr, F.M.
> & Wilson, R. (2007) Methods to account for spatial autocorrelation in the
> analysis of species distributional data: a review. Ecography, 30, 609-628.
>
> Diniz-Filho, J.A.F., Bini, L.M. & Hawkins, B.A. (2003) Spatial
> autocorrelation and red herrings in geographical ecology. Global Ecology and
> Biogeography, 12, 53-64.
>
> Mateo-Tomás, P. & Olea, P.P. (2010) Anticipating Knowledge to Inform Species
> Management: Predicting Spatially Explicit Habitat Suitability of a Colonial
> Vulture Spreading Its Range. PLoS ONE, 5, e12374.
>
> Reshetnikov, A.N. & Ficetola, G.F. (In Press) Potential range of the
> invasive fish rotan (Perccottus glenii) in the Holarctic. Biological
> Invasions.Robertson, M.P. & Palmer, A.R. (2002) Predicting the extent of
> succulent thicket under current and future climate scenarios. African
> Journal of Range & Forage Science, 19, 21-28.
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