getting Lucee to work for the first time

[do...@dgibson.net]

I'm having a heck of a time getting Lucee to run properly on Windows 8 Server and Apache 2.4 (32bit) and could sure use some guidance from the more experience folks here. I used the windows installer, but it didn't seem to modify the Apache config at all. I'd really like to go the mod_cfml path, but gave up and tried the web contexts path as well and had no luck either way. Apache is set up properly and can server some static HTML sites I have set up. But the furthest I've gotten with Lucee is seeing the Hello Lucee screen. I can't seem to enter a new context in the server.xml without Lucee not starting properly afterwards.

So I guess my questions are:

What do I get from the installer if it doesn't configure Apache (or should it?)? Do I get nothing out of it since I'm on Windows+Apache and not the assumed IIS?

Here's what I have in a particular vhost in apache, and that will get me the hello lucee screen.

# Pass CFM to Tomcat/Lucee using AJP

<Proxy *>

Allow from 127.0.0.1

</proxy>

ProxyPreserveHost On

ProxyPassMatch ^/(.+\.cf[cm])(/.*)?$ ajp://127.0.0.1:8009/$1$2

ProxyPassMatch ^/(.+\.cfchart)(/.*)?$ ajp://127.0.0.1:8009/$1$2

ProxyPassMatch ^/(.+\.cfml)(/.*)?$ ajp://127.0.0.1:8009/$1$2

ProxyPassReverse / ajp://127.0.0.1:8009/

The next step should be to create a web context in lucee's server.xml, correct?

The only thing I can think of there is that my web sites/project folders do not live under apache/htdocs or lucee/anything. Is that going to be a problem? It's not for Apache, but perhaps I'm missing a pointer in Lucee. Does Lucee completely manage Tomcat or is there a separate management for that as well?

Any help would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Doug

[Peter Boughton]

You haven't posted what change you're trying to make to server.xml
which stops it starting.

Also, have you checked the log files? Errors in server.xml get logged
to the catalina log - so for example if you're adding invalid XML it'll
tell you.

> Does Lucee completely manage Tomcat or is there a separate management
> for that as well?

I don't entirely understand what you're asking, but Lucee is a servlet
within Tomcat.

Your websites do not need to be within the Tomcat or Lucee directories
(once they are configured appropriately), however I have had issues with
Tomcat and UNC paths (network shares) before.

[do...@dgibson.net]

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:50:43 PM UTC-4, Peter Boughton wrote:

You haven't posted what change you're trying to make to server.xml
which stops it starting.

Simply adding a new host to the server.xml was causing Lucee to not start up. Is this because I'm using the mod_cfml valve without knowing it?

 

Also, have you checked the log files? Errors in server.xml get logged
to the catalina log - so for example if you're adding invalid XML it'll
tell you.

I haven't seen anything useful in the logs yet. Adding a host was pretty basic and I was careful to make sure everything is closed properly. 

 

> Does Lucee completely manage Tomcat or is there a separate management
> for that as well?

I don't entirely understand what you're asking, but Lucee is a servlet
within Tomcat.

Your websites do not need to be within the Tomcat or Lucee directories
(once they are configured appropriately), however I have had issues with
Tomcat and UNC paths (network shares) before.

OK, I was just asking if there's something else to manage here that I'm not seeing. I've been messing with Apache's config and the server.xml in addition to the Lucee admin app. 

I don't know what I'm missing in order to hook up a site from Apache to Lucee to process the CF pages.

[do...@dgibson.net]

What does it mean if I'm getting the Welcome to Lucee page on my domain/virtual host? Images are broken. I seem to have read something about that in my searches, but don't recall where.

[Jordan Michaels]

It means Apache is passing the request off to Tomcat, but Tomcat doesn't know how to resolve that domain. Now all oyu need to do is get your changes in your server.xml correct and you'll be good to go. Like Peter said, check the catalina.out log file in your C:\lucee\tomcat\logs directory and it will generally tell you what you did wrong.

HTH

-Jordan

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[do...@dgibson.net]

Well I added the host entry to server.xml and had a site up for a little while and then it stopped responding (and times out). The symptoms were very similar to this person's:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mod_cfml/kg1yxKzyxRg

Except that I'm running on Windows Server 2008 and Apache 2.4 instead of IIS and I don't have 200 sites/contexts I don't think. How are these determined? I did see logging about project folders that I have not even set up host files for yet, so I'm not sure what's going on behind the scenes.

I also see a lot of "[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length." in my lucee-stdout log. I upgraded to the latest JAR file earlier today

[Mike Henson]

No big deal I guess since either way the solution is the same, but it bugs me to see Windows 8 Server. Windows 8 Server is not a product. The Server equivalent of Windows 8 is 2012. You can have a Windows 8 computer that you are using as a web server, but it's still Windows 8.

[do...@dgibson.net]

 

OK, nevermind my last update - I deleted it because it had info for a staging site that I didn't want to be out there if it didn't have to be. I've got things working fairly well now. Most of my issues were on the Apache front (the allowfilters issue causing Apache to become unresponsive), but seemed to flare up worse when I would try to run CF sites through Lucee. Thanks for all the help - looking in the log files did eventually lead me to the right path to get it all working. 

Now to get my development laptop (windows 7 + Apache 2.2) running Lucee... Upon installation and manually starting the service, it won't load the welcome or admin screen...(sigh)

[Brad Wood]

Doug, hopefully the guys will help you get your installation issues ironed out.  If you're just wanting to get Lucee installed for local development or to play around, I'd like to throw out the option of CommandBox.  You can download the 2.0 beta from the integration server which is running Lucee 4.5.  Just "cd" into a folder you wish to be a web root and run "start" :)  This won't fix your other issues, but it's something to keep in your back pocket any time you want a quick, self-contained server Lucee server that doesn't require IIS, etc.

http://integration.stg.ortussolutions.com/artifacts/ortussolutions/commandbox/2.0.0/commandbox-win-2.0.0.zip  (35 MB)

[do...@dgibson.net]

Thanks. I may try that, but I'd really like to have a similar setup to my server: Apache for Windows and Lucee. The docs and process for this combination definitely need to be worked on. It was very frustrating stumbling through the steps on my own, but I'm just happy it's working now (one place anyway).

[Jamie Jackson]

Maybe this is a naive question, but why doesn't the Windows installer configure Apache (optionally) & mod_cfml? This stuff's a no brainer on Linux: You install, add a simple virtual host with nothing special in it, and you're up and running. Is the Win/Apache combo thought to be unusual (and/or a PITA to support)?

I do my development on Linux (most recently, via Vagrant), but Windows devs who target Linux servers often run Apache locally. (Well, in my circles, they do.)

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[Jordan Michaels]

There is some pretty thorough documentation on getting mod_cfml up and running with Apache on Windows on the modcfml.org site here:
http://www.modcfml.org/index.cfm/install/web-server-components/apache-on-windows/

Note that this should be getting updated *very* soon (by next week?) for the updates coming in mod_cfml 1.1.

-Jordan



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[Jordan Michaels]

From what I've seen personally the vast majority of folks who run Windows simply use IIS. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say well above 90 percent...

From what I hear, the new, up-and-coming installers are supposed to include Apache on Windows support, but, I haven't seen them yet, so I'm not sure. Would love to see them, honestly.

-Jordan


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[Igal @ Lucee.org]

From what I've seen personally the vast majority of folks who run Windows simply use IIS. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say well above 90 percent...

+1

Igal Sapir
Lucee Core Developer
Lucee.org

[do...@dgibson.net]

Jordan,

Thanks for the link. I think I did run across this while trying things out and my adventure in Perl died on step 2:

ppm install mod_perl

This failed with some error message, but I don't recall what it was now. I will revisit this process and provide the details.

Thanks,

Doug

[Jordan Michaels]

Alright. Again, note that the mod_perl requirement will be depreciated
for mod_cfml 1.1 and Apache 2.4. I don't recall if you're running Apache
2.4 or not but the perl module is being replaced with a native .so
module programmed in C by Paul Klinkenberg. The perl module will still
be available for users of Apache 2.2, but it will no longer be actively
developed and you're encouraged to use Apache 2.4 if you can from here
on out.

Paul has written some documentation for compiling the new C-Module for
Windows here:

https://github.com/utdream/mod_cfml/blob/master/C/README.md

Detailed documentation will be available on the modcfml.org site in the
very near future.

Warm Regards,
Jordan Michaels

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[Daniel Schmid]

hmm, sorry.  it might be a local habit but all of my decentralized working colleagues use Windows and Apache.True. Because there is nothing wrong with Win8 for coding. But most people I know don^t want to fiddle around with IIS. I personally use now win/apache for around 15 years.

The reason might be that there are mainly linux machines on production.

Thus support for Win/Apache is most welcome.

Daniel

Am Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2015 05:18:18 UTC+2 schrieb Igal:

From what I've seen personally the vast majority of folks who run Windows simply use IIS. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say well above 90 percent...

+1

Igal Sapir
Lucee Core Developer
Lucee.org

On 5/27/2015 8:01 PM, Jordan Michaels wrote:

From what I've seen personally the vast majority of folks who run Windows simply use IIS. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say well above 90 percent...

From what I hear, the new, up-and-coming installers are supposed to include Apache on Windows support, but, I haven't seen them yet, so I'm not sure. Would love to see them, honestly.

-Jordan


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Maybe this is a naive question, but why doesn't the Windows installer
configure Apache (optionally) & mod_cfml? This stuff's a no brainer on
Linux: You install, add a simple virtual host with nothing special in it,
and you're up and running. Is the Win/Apache combo thought to be unusual
(and/or a PITA to support)?

I do my development on Linux (most recently, via Vagrant), but Windows devs
who target Linux servers often run Apache locally. (Well, in my circles,
they do.)
On May 26, 2015 5:59 PM, <d...@dgibson.net> wrote:

[Mike Henson]

The Lucee install I used worked fine on Server 2012 R2. The Railo installs worked fine on 2012 R2 and 2008 R2. IIRC, every time I ran into a problem with an install it was because I was trying to make things to complicated. I install and configure IIS. Then make sure IIS is properly configured to use the web root I plan to use. To do this I put an html file in the web root top level and work IIS over until it serves the html file. After I am convinced IIS is working properly, I do the Lucee install. Since I run single hosts there is no need to mess around with the tomcat conf files. In the past I would do both installs and then try to figure out why I couldn't serve cfml pages. Most of the time it was due to not having IIS configured correctly, but the first place I would look was Railo / Tomcat. When I run into this now, I uninstall Lucee, delete C:\Lucee, uninstall IIS and delete C:\intepub, delete everything in the web root, reboot, and start over. Since I typically use vm's, I will sometimes delete the vm and start fresh. Again, I think the key is making sure any IIS issues are fixed before installing Lucee.

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[do...@dgibson.net]

Jordan,

I'm on Apache 2.4 now, so I'm eagerly awaiting your new mod_cfml.so.

Daniel, et al, as for Apache usage, it come from habit at this point. Around 15+ years ago or so, IIS would not let you do multiple hosts on a non-server version. So all the devs I knew either had some host switching scheme for IIS or used Apache. IIS was also notoriously not very secure for a long time as well. I learned Apache and have stuck with it ever since (even though IIS has improved a lot). Never found the time to learn Linux, however. Too many languages/OSes/frameworks, not enough time.

[Tim Bugler]

I noticed that the mod_cfml.so module is now available on the mod_cfml site. There aren't any installation instructions as of yet. Do I still configure mod_proxy and just simply enable mod_cfml.so? 

T.

[Tim Bugler]

I've tried to apply the mod_cfml.so on Windows 2012 running Apache 2.4.9 and Apache says it cannot find the module. The module is in the appropriate directory.

T.

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[Paul Klinkenberg]

Hi Tim,

Can you mail me the exact messages from the error log?

Are you sure you downloaded the right arch version: x64 or x86. It has to match the Apache install, not your windows install.

Kind regards,

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[Tim Bugler]

Hi Paul,

Running 64 bit Apache 2.4.9 and I downloaded the 64 bit version of mod_CFML from the site Windows mod_cfml.so Win-httpd24-x64 (three times to be sure). The error I'm getting from Apache on start up is:

Syntax error on line 166 of httpd.conf: Cannot load modules/mod_cfml.so into server: The specified module could not be found. (Nothing in my apache error log)

I'm loading the module into apache as LoadModule cfml_module modules/mod_cfml.so. 

T.

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[Tim Bugler]

For good measure I grabbed the 32 bit version and I got the expected not a valid win32 application error

T.

[Paul Klinkenberg]

Instead of "cfml_module", use "modcfml_module".

The updated documentation is online now at modcfml.org

Vriendelijke groeten,

Paul Klinkenberg

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[Tim Bugler]

Same error. 

I updated the LoadModule line to LoadModule modcfml_module modules/mod_cfml.so.

No documentation at http://www.modcfml.org/index.cfm/documentation/modcfml-so-apache-module/. Is it elsewhere?

T.

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[Tim Bugler]

Followed the documentation to the letter and it's still throwing the same error.

Win server 2012

Apache 2.4.9 (64 bit)

Tomcat 7

Lucee 4.5.1

Any thoughts?

[Paul Klinkenberg]

Hi Tim,

The documentation now _finally_ is online... Turned out the documentation sub pages still had "Display: no" in their settings. Why I missed that, dunno.

Aah, I see you noticed already :)

As a first hunch, could file download security be in place? As in, that the system does not allow the file to be opened, because it was downloaded. Just a hunch, not using windows much.

Also, can you please try the zipped version, as it hasn't gone through the web browser.

Can you give me some extra info? Things to check:

• The size in bytes of your current mod_cfml.so
• Check Apache version, arch, and where it was built
• in cmd window: [path to apache 2.4]/bin/httpd.exe -V

[Tim Bugler]

Hi Paul,

File size is 28 KB

Server version: Apache/2.4.9 (Win64)

Apache Lounge VC11 Server built:   Mar 16 2014 12:42:59

Server's Module Magic Number: 20120211:31

Server loaded:  APR 1.5.0, APR-UTIL 1.5.3

Compiled using: APR 1.5.0, APR-UTIL 1.5.3

Architecture:   64-bit

Server MPM:     WinNT

  threaded:     yes (fixed thread count)

    forked:     no

Server compiled with....

 -D APR_HAS_SENDFILE

 -D APR_HAS_MMAP

 -D APR_HAVE_IPV6 (IPv4-mapped addresses disabled)

 -D APR_HAS_OTHER_CHILD

 -D AP_HAVE_RELIABLE_PIPED_LOGS

 -D DYNAMIC_MODULE_LIMIT=256

 -D HTTPD_ROOT="/apache"

 -D SUEXEC_BIN="/apache/bin/suexec"

 -D DEFAULT_PIDLOG="logs/httpd.pid"

 -D DEFAULT_SCOREBOARD="logs/apache_runtime_status"

 -D DEFAULT_ERRORLOG="logs/error.log"

 -D AP_TYPES_CONFIG_FILE="conf/mime.types"

 -D SERVER_CONFIG_FILE="conf/httpd.conf"

Same error with the zipped version.

T.

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Good to know. Thanks for the info.

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[Jordan Michaels]

Hi Tim,

For the sake of being thorough, can you tell us exactly where you placed the 64-bit .so file? Also, did you ensure the permissions of the mod_cfml.so were the same as the other .so's in that directory?

Thanks for your help here. Just trying to cover all bases.

-Jordan


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> - The size in bytes of your current mod_cfml.so
> - Check Apache version, arch, and where it was built
> - in cmd window: [path to apache 2.4]/bin/httpd.exe -V

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> Op 28 mei 2015, om 17:14 heeft Tim Bugler <tjbu...@gmail.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Same error.
>
> I updated the LoadModule line to LoadModule modcfml_module
> modules/mod_cfml.so.
>
> No documentation at
> http://www.modcfml.org/index.cfm/documentation/modcfml-so-apache-module/.
> Is it elsewhere?
>
> T.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Paul Klinkenberg <
> pa...@ongevraagdadvies.nl> wrote:
>
>> Instead of "cfml_module", use "modcfml_module".
>> The updated documentation is online now at modcfml.org
>>
>> Vriendelijke groeten,
>>
>> Paul Klinkenberg
>>
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>>
>>
>> Op 28 mei 2015 om 16:58 heeft Tim Bugler <tjbu...@gmail.com> het
>> volgende geschreven:
>>

>> For good measure I grabbed the 32 bit version and I got the expected *not
>> a valid win32 application error*

>>
>> T.
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Tim Bugler <tjbu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> Running 64 bit Apache 2.4.9 and I downloaded the 64 bit version of

>>> mod_CFML from the site *Windows mod_cfml.so Win-httpd24-x64* (three

>>> times to be sure). The error I'm getting from Apache on start up is:
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>>> *Syntax error on line 166 of httpd.conf: Cannot load modules/mod_cfml.so
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[Tim Bugler]

The module was placed into c:\apache\modules\ and file permissions match those of all the other files in the directory. If I place the 32bit version in there, I get the "not a valid win 32 application" error which tells me the location is correct. 

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[Paul Klinkenberg]

Hi Tim, all,

As I already mailed you off-list, I fired up a win2012 VM, and tried to replicate the problem. I was kind of happy to see I could not replicate it, it just worked. But sorry for you :-/

I _can_ get the error message, but that's only when I move the mod_cfml file out of the modules directory, which makes the error message correct: "The specified module could not be found".

You could try to put the mod_cfml.so file somewhere else (eg. directly in C:/Apache24/), and then point to it in the config like this:

LoadModule modcfml_module C:/Apache24/mod_cfml.so

Hope that helps!

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Got your message Paul,

Obviously something in my set up. I'll be back when I figure it out. Thanks for your help!

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