Next 3D Printer Training Induction

[joshua....@gmail.com]

Hi, I'm a new member. When is the next 3D printing induction date?

[Antonio rodrigues Ferreira]

Hi Joshua,

I am also interested in doing some training. Give me a shout if you hear of anything in the pipeline and I'll gladly do the same?

[Alexander Baxevanis]

Hi guys,

Training gets announced to the mailing list when maintainers have time to run it. Best ways to find out about it:

1) Watch the mailing list regularly

2) Sign up for the wiki add the training page (https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Lulzbot_Mini_Training) to your watchlist so you're notified by email when new sessions are added. To do this just click the star icon on the top right hand side of the page.

Cheers,

Alex

[Angus Brown]

Dear Trainers

I am a new member and am interested to know when the next 3D printer training course will take place at Hackspace ?

I am keen to try and print out and test a water desalination idea that I have just modelled in Fusion360?

I appreciate everyone has buy lives but any help would be much appreciated

Kind regards

Angus

On Sunday, 12 February 2017 14:20:53 UTC, joshua....@gmail.com wrote:

[Angus Brown]

That would be excellent

Angus

Angus Brown-

Personal email address- angus....@gmail.com

On 30 March 2017 at 14:42, Cyrus Razavi <c.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd be keen to get some training too, have a couple of projects in mind.

I've not seen the 3d printers in operation at Hackspace any time I've been around, so would be good to get some new members like Angus and me trained up so we can make use of them, and eventually perhaps help take the load off current trainers?

Cyrus

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[Antonio rodrigues Ferreira]

Agreed Cyrus,

As I mentioned before I am also keen so   We atleast have a class of 3 that I know off and there is a possibility one of my colleagues may want to join.

Is there somewhere we could create a list and then once trainer availability is announced we could book in? 

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 at 14:44, Cyrus Razavi <c.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd be keen to get some training too, have a couple of projects in mind.

I've not seen the 3d printers in operation at Hackspace any time I've been around, so would be good to get some new members like Angus and me trained up so we can make use of them, and eventually perhaps help take the load off current trainers?

Cyrus

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[Jassim Redha]

Hi, I am really interested in this as well.

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[Andy Focallocal]

also keen

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[Charline Lalanne]

Also interested !

[Antonio rodrigues Ferreira]

You still keen Ashton? Looks like we're getting a list together.

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[Aden]

A list of people that can't read instructions.

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You still keen Ashton? Looks like we're getting a list together.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 at 09:41, Charline Lalanne <charline...@gmail.com> wrote:

Also interested !

Le dimanche 12 février 2017 14:20:53 UTC, joshua....@gmail.com a écrit :

Hi, I'm a new member. When is the next 3D printing induction date?

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[Antonio rodrigues Ferreira]

Alright Kids. let's not argue. Apologies if I didn't keep track of the email thread that started about a month ago and if it offended anyone.

I appreciate these emails could become annoying but we all signed up for them.

This was the last entry on the wiki page which appears to be slightly dated. hence why my confusion.

Further to this, I can't add my name to any list that I'm aware of on the wiki as to let a trainer assess whether it is worth proposing a training date.

 So I have resorted to the mailing list as suggested.

Best Regards,

Antonio R. Ferreira

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On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Cyrus Razavi <c.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Haha or who are not satisfied with the instructions more like...

[Patrick Dent]

I also register my interest. I used the old machine precisely once and would really like to try it again.

[ChrisN]

I register my interest.

I added my name to the list on the wiki, which someone then deleted.  Why not: let the list exist, include email addresses, have the trainers send an email alert to the list when the next training session is scheduled.  Surely that's better than the current system?

Advantages:

• Simplicity.
  
• A queue in the event of training being oversubscribed.
  
• The trainers know there's enough interest to make it worth running a course.
  

[Adrian Godwin]

Because it becomes an effort for the maintainers. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as it seems.

 What happens is that the maintainer has to send the emails, wait for replies, decide how long to wait for people who don't immediately respond, send more emails to fill the gaps, repeat until either the places are filled or the numbers responding get, too small, advertise the session in the hope of getting more, etc.. etc.

You can see how this quickly becomes a chore.

On the other hand, if someone were to volunteer to manage the list, I guess it might be possible.

[Antonio rodrigues Ferreira]

I think Chris has a point.

From that mailing list the trainer can then do a simple google calendar meeting invitation and we take it from there. Can even specify a min class size condition to the event being valid.

There are so many available tools now and I'd welcome any app developers to create a decent app for it. Even if just a embedded web based calendar booking system based on Google calendar.

Im aware I do sound like a google rep now, but Their apps do help me manage many aspects of my personal and professional life.

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[Aurelio Alimonti]

Hello everyone

I am new here, I have been in the hack space, and I would like to learn how to use the 3D printer.

Some of you know when there is the next training course? If I want participate at the next meeting what I have to do?

I need to register on hackey space or not?

on the calendar for the event of the 3D printer there is write that this course don't need to be member of hackey space 

thank you so much for your time

see you soon

[Patrick Dent]

You DO need to be a member of the Hackspace and unfortunately at the present moment we do not know when the next training session will be. We have been told not to ask when it will be but unfortunately we have not had one for a very long time.

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[Alex Palaistras]

Hi, not sure if this is the canonical place for registering interest (appears to be the latest
thread about 3D printer training, in any case), but I'd also like to register interest.

Wouldn't the easiest way to track this be via Google Calendar? I'm assuming most of
the people registering interest can make any date, given enough notice and assuming
a reasonable time-slot, so wouldn't a "placeholder" event work to start with?

- Alex

[Pingless]

Hi Alex,

I'm afraid this is not the place for registering interest. If you have a quick read of the Mailing List Clichés ("I am interested in the Laser Cutter"), pretty much all of it applies to the 3D printers too.

Training gets announced on-list when a trainer has the capacity to run it, then it's a first-come, first-served system because anything else ends up with people who can't make it to the inductions.

Please be patient.

Pingless

[Mr Ed]

Though by the looks of it it's been quite a while since the last training. Long enough that it looks like more maintainers are needed especially as one of the listed ones isn't a member any more.

-Ed

[Antonio rodrigues Ferreira]

To be honest I love the concept of hackspace, but at the rate if the training I dont get to use what I signed up for. I fully get that it is on a voluntary basis , but it seems like a tough system to crack.

I like the idea of a google calender. That way attendees can confirm attendance and the trainer can determine whether its worth their time.

On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 at 13:50, Cyrus Razavi <c.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

I got fed up of waiting and bought and assembled my own one of these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Duty-free-Geeetech-Reprap-Prusa-I3-Pro-B-3D-Printer-MK8-LCD2004-/232031036860?hash=item360620a5bc:g:JkYAAOSwB4NW1BR1

Can knock off a bit of money with 'best offer'

Print quality ok although I'm sure can be improved once I know what I'm doing...

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[Paul Lessing]

Antonio,

I'm sorry to hear that you're finding the existing system difficult. I'd like to elaborate a little.

The reason that the existing system does not allow for a waiting list is because there is a while between people wanting training and training actually happening. This means that by the time training gets announced, a chunk of people on the waiting list no longer want or need training. Anything other than first-come-first-served results in the trainer signing up the first five people, then waiting a week to determine which of these people no longer respond to emails or are not interested, signing up the next set of people, etc. This is an amount of effort that I would not want a trainer to have to go through, seeing as they are already sacrificing their free time to train people.

In summary: The existing system is the easiest on the trainers, and less effort the trainers have to go through means they are more likely to be willing to do the training.

The fact that there currently appears to be a low availability of trainers for tools is unrelated to the reluctance of opening a waiting list.

Hope that's cleared things up,

Pingless

[Alex Palaistras]

Hi,

I assumed the current setup was a bit of a Catch-22, in that a trainer won't announce a date
until there's enough interest, but there can't be interest unless there's a set date announced,
unless of course there's always a degree of sustained interest. It makes more sense, given
the additional context.

I'll just keep an eye out for any announcements.

- Alex

[Hari Karam Singh]

What if we scheduled an extended afternoon training on one weekend day and got ~20 people on it paying a £10 a piece?  Might that galvanise one of the trainees to step forward?

HK

[Adrian Godwin]

For £200 you could buy 2 printers and have the group teach themselves :)

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[angus....@gmail.com]

Good idea- Happy to pay £10-15 if this can expedite matters and make it worthwhile for a trainer?

 

 

 

Angus

[tgreer]

It's not about making it worthwhile, it's about trainer availability.

[Billy]

This is why i've been saying that we need more maintainers/trainers.

[felixproc...@gmail.com]

hi im a new member too.
I used to work and would like to register interest in the next training so I can get cracking with a few projects I have lined up.
I used to work in a lasercutters so once trained on this one I would be able to give training  ( in theory)

[tgreer]

The last 2 maintainers that volunteered flaked out. If anyone has good experience with 3d printers and wants the job, Timour would be happy to show you the ropes.

[Hari Karam Singh]

> For £200 you could buy 2 printers and have the group teach themselves :)

Ha! Yeah the situation does seem a little absurb imo...  Is it really *that* complicated to figure out how to use these printers in a safe way without a personal trainer?

HK

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[Adrian Godwin]

No, they're not hard to use, though experience is useful. The object of the hackspace induction is to protect our printers from unintentional abuse.
 

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[Mr Ed]

Not sure if I'm one of the ones that "flaked out" according to you, but I'm not a maintainer any more and I can assure you, I didn't "flake out".

-Ed

[tgreer]

Nope wasn't referring to you so back in your corner.

[Mr Ed]

Tell you what, I'll go back in my corner when you stop making vague insinuations on the mailing list. For bonus points, you could actually be a member of the space before making a fuss on the list.

[Pingless]

On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 22:53:49 UTC+1, Mr Ed wrote:

Tell you what, I'll go back in my corner when you stop making vague insinuations on the mailing list. For bonus points, you could actually be a member of the space before making a fuss on the list.

Ed,

Can you please stop the shit-stirring? tgreer made a comment that to anyone outside the space was completely innocuous. Just because you thought he might be talking about you and decided to take offense doesn't mean he was being deliberately hostile in any way.

 

You're being childish and it's making both the space and yourself look bad.

[tgreer]

To be fair, i completely forgot you helped out get our ao-101 back online...

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[Jeremy Bond]

Just to add to this group grumble, I've been a member for over a year and still haven't been able to get onto an induction. I'm usually able to make it but don't get in there quick enough to get a spot.

I understand that maintainer/instructors have their own time, but that doesn't stop it being frustrating when you can't use something. Especially when members get offended about people asking when they can get trained. I'm happy to carry on being patient, but training 5 members every other month is never going to meet demand. Is it possible to redress this imbalance?

[Jack London]

Ok so.... whens the next induction?

[tgreer]

When a trainer is available.

[Billy]

So, if members are requesting training, and, training hasn't been put on due to trainers not being available, would this not mean that we need more trainers/maintainers?



On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 7:24:53 AM UTC+1, tgreer wrote:

When a trainer is available.

[David Dorward]

On 27 Apr 2017, at 11:39, Billy wrote:

> So, if members are requesting training, and, training hasn't been put on
> due to trainers not being available, would this not mean that we need more
> trainers/maintainers?

You appear to have become stuck in a loop.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/london-hack-space/dwFslS6G6VI/_N4_Oxx0AgAJ

[Billy]

My apologies, i missed that comment.

I didn't realise that they'd been looking for more maintainers.

[tgreer]

For those interested in training, who's available this Saturday? I could come in and do a few sessions then if you wanted.

[Luca Torrente]

I am, count me in please

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[Adrian Godwin]

I need re-training as I was trained pre-lulzbot. Is that a suitable session ?

[tgreer]

OK,

Will 11am work?

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[tgreer]

If you want to pop in on Saturday Adrian I can bring you upto scratch. I assume you were trained on our original lulzbot, so just need a 'conversion' course.

On Thursday, 27 April 2017 16:13:07 UTC+1, Adrian Godwin wrote:

I need re-training as I was trained pre-lulzbot. Is that a suitable session ?

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Luca Torrente <lucator...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am, count me in please

On 27 April 2017 at 16:48, tgreer <ukt...@gmail.com> wrote:

For those interested in training, who's available this Saturday? I could come in and do a few sessions then if you wanted.

On Thursday, 27 April 2017 12:31:59 UTC+1, Billy wrote:

My apologies, i missed that comment.

I didn't realise that they'd been looking for more maintainers.

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 11:50:42 AM UTC+1, David Dorward wrote:

On 27 Apr 2017, at 11:39, Billy wrote:

> So, if members are requesting training, and, training hasn't been put on
> due to trainers not being available, would this not mean that we need more
> trainers/maintainers?

You appear to have become stuck in a loop.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/london-hack-space/dwFslS6G6VI/_N4_Oxx0AgAJ

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[Luca Torrente]

11am would work for me too, I was trained on the ultimaker 2, is that OK?

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[tgreer]

Not sure, that was never really anything to do with the 3d printer group.

[Tomáš Pokorný]

I would be also interested and I can make Saturday at 11am.

[tgreer]

Then you'll both want to read: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/ccmdu9BfBEk :D

See you Saturday.

[Luca Torrente]

Thank you

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[Adrian Godwin]

I was, but I've forgotten it all. So a refresher would be useful.
Happy to pay again if I'm doing the proper course.

Also happy to let the place go to another member if there's a big demand, as I don't need it urgently.
 

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[Patrick Dent]

I would really like to get on this training if my work schedule allows because I was trained on the old machine but need the authorising for the new one.

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[Adrian Godwin]

Does the 3d printer meeting  still happen ?

[Angus Brown]

Dear Tgreer

Any time Saturday till session ending at 5pm 4 would grand!

How long would a session be??

Thanks for your help I hope that I can reciprocate in some way in the future 

Angus

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[tgreer]

Sesson is normally upto 1h.

[Patrick Dent]

Sounds good. I've got work at 7pm so finishing any time up to about 6:15 is fine.

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[David Martin]

Yes, include me in please.

I can make 11am, or any other time.
Thanks 

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[David Martin]

I have added myself to the 12AM list.

[Adrian Godwin]

Taken myself off the list again as I can't get there in time. That's a free 11:00am slot.

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