Stretching Frame
https://london.hackspace.org.uk/storage/490
by Dean Forbes
4th Jul 2016 - 3rd Jan 2017
Request for 5 months, 30 days in the basement (General Area )
construction and completion of stretching frame construction to be metal and wood with some automation
during each stage the components related to that stage will be stored in the respective area related to the task associated with that stage, if there are "between" stages it will be in a general area where there is a space probably near the racks, when it is complete it will be removed,
I would have to be in agreement with Robert here, unclear on what and were and for 6 month, its a no for me at the moment
Status changed to Unapproved with the reason 'objections withdrawn' by Edward Rosten
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Were the 2 objections from Robert and Timour actually withdrawn or did you just decide they didn't count?
Were the 2 objections from Robert and Timour actually withdrawn or did you just decide they didn't count?
On Friday, 1 July 2016 07:26:43 UTC+1, Lex Robinson wrote:Were the 2 objections from Robert and Timour actually withdrawn or did you just decide they didn't count?Well given the main objection is "there's no location where it's stored" despite the location being specified and then clarified by me, yeah I reckon that doesn't count as a valid objection because it's impossible to satisfy under any conditions. There are spaces around the edge of the various work areas where in-progress projects are routinely stored without trouble.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, at 10:40, Mr Ed wrote:On Friday, 1 July 2016 07:26:43 UTC+1, Lex Robinson wrote:Were the 2 objections from Robert and Timour actually withdrawn or did you just decide they didn't count?Well given the main objection is "there's no location where it's stored" despite the location being specified and then clarified by me, yeah I reckon that doesn't count as a valid objection because it's impossible to satisfy under any conditions. There are spaces around the edge of the various work areas where in-progress projects are routinely stored without trouble.The location hasn't been specified any more than variously around the basement.
If there's lots of places where it could be stored and wouldn't be in the way of anything
(hard to tell when the size is given as "similar in size to a person" - people come in a variety of sizes)
then why not pick one? That lets other people decide if that is an acceptable location or if it will be in the way there and somewhere else would be better (or if we don't have space for it).
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If there's lots of places where it could be stored and wouldn't be in the way of anythingWell great, so what's the problem? He's specified roughly where and you concede that there are places, so you seem to have no real objections at all!
If you're in at the same time as me next week, I can point you to the areas where projects are routinely stored in the workshops. There's a few good out-of-the-way bits, which don't get in the way.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, at 12:06, Mr Ed wrote:If there's lots of places where it could be stored and wouldn't be in the way of anythingWell great, so what's the problem? He's specified roughly where and you concede that there are places, so you seem to have no real objections at all!I didn't concede anything - I said *if* :)I will now concede that I am pretty sure there are places where a person sized (assuming a roughly average sized person) object could be stored out of the way. There are also certainly places where a person sized object would very much be in the way. And a massive area of fuzziness between the two, where people will disagree about whether or not something there is in the way.
I'd like to see Dean tell us where he's going to store things so we can be sure it is in the first (not in the way) category of locations.
When I originally asked I expected a short description of a suitable location and that to be the end of it.
Dave, Robert and Timour are also asked what it actually is that will be stored, as "metal and wood with some autmation" doesn't actually explain what will be stashed in these various useful project storage locations.
Which bit is of similar size to a person? The completed product? The entire project throughout its lifetime?A rough inventory and size guideline with actual numbers would help here.
Argh! Why do I need to meet you in the space to be told where you think is an appropriate location?
On Friday, 1 July 2016 12:22:45 UTC+1, Lex Robinson wrote:Dave, Robert and Timour are also asked what it actually is that will be stored, as "metal and wood with some autmation" doesn't actually explain what will be stashed in these various useful project storage locations.
Well, sounds like some metal, some wood and some bits for automation. That's going to be an actuator of some sort. And possible some means of control. Beyond that why on earth does it matter? It's not like anyone else is required to provide complete plans for projects.
Which bit is of similar size to a person? The completed product? The entire project throughout its lifetime?A rough inventory and size guideline with actual numbers would help here.
The rough size was "similar to a person". I don't get the problem with this. Unless you're accusing Dean of lying, then that means the project being stored is... the rough size of a person! Which means when the project is stored it will take up about he same size of a person. In other words, the amount of storage space used is approximately person sized. Or to put it another way:
it's about the same size as a person.
Clear?
On Friday, 1 July 2016 13:32:32 UTC+1, Robert McWilliam wrote:When I originally asked I expected a short description of a suitable location and that to be the end of it.And you got one.
Argh! Why do I need to meet you in the space to be told where you think is an appropriate location?
Because it would take ma about 15 seconds to wander over to the right location and simply point rather than go in to long, detailed explanations that could get pedanted to death.
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Is it a person the size of Dean or a person the size of me?
People come in many many shapes and sizes from well over 6ft to 4ft something. Some people are fat, some people are thin. People take up less floor space at the bottom but overhang at the top.
Additionally is this person made primarily of 5ft tall beams of metal or a pile of 2x4 wood planks?
Are they a robot?
Stretching Frame
https://london.hackspace.org.uk/storage/490
by Dean Forbes
4th Jul 2016 - 3rd Jan 2017
Request for 5 months, 30 days in the basement (General Area )
construction and completion of stretching frame construction to be metal and wood with some autmation
***If no one replies to this topic the request will be automatically approved within 2 days.***
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OK.Let's approach this from another angle, so maybe you'll understand.
I (and several others) have asked what Dean wants to store.
Now let's stop again, because you're clearly very excitable and another post about the average size of humans is completely unnecessary.
Here are some examples:
Quite frankly if Dean would like to store any of these in the metal workshop I have no objections, as long as he actually said what it was.
As a side note, I am asking Dean for the description. Not you.Thank you for your understanding.
In trustee mode.
This thread has descended into stupid and ends here.
Go and look if you desperately need to know exactly what it is.
And what business of yours is that? Your only concern need be that it doesn't hurt anyone else's use of the space. If you want to take an interest then that's fine, but don't turn it into an objection.
The concern is that the description isn't precise enough.I make a request to store two 6' lengths of pipe. You approve that request and I turn up with two six foot lengths of 2' dia concrete pipe.My description, such as it was, was correct, but probably not what you were expecting!That's why precision is necessary.
Whilst the above is broadly correct, I think there's also a certain
amount of ensuring that the request seems reasonably well planned, ie
the time allocated seems reasonable, that the person has the ability
to carry out the project, that they are likely to carry out the project,
etc, etc.
A bit of a peripheral information would likely help this request.
Something of a challenge given Dean's "tell 'em nothing, let them buy a
programme" approach.
I will likely be in the Space tonight and in an attempt to break the
deadlock and improve my diplomancy skills, I shall attempt to extract
the following from Mr Forbes:
> In trustee mode.
> This thread has descended into stupid and ends here.
> Go and look if you desperately need to know exactly what it is.
1) What is a streatching frame?
2) What work is needed to create one?
3) What is the work schedule?
4) What are the dimensions?
5) How will the finished product be removed from the space?
6) An assurance that any Aluminium used in the project will not be
ground on the grinding wheels
Status changed to Approved with the reason 'Removed by error' by Martin Clarke
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