Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Power & Discipline

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As I see it, part of our mission is to make sure that it doesn't come down to a matter of "pure self-discipline", which as Caryn Ann alludes to is unreliable at best, but that instead there are institutions in place – e.g. the Libertarian Party – to provide that discipline, through a culture and structures which ensure that where political power exists, it is (1) held accountable, (2) decentralized as much as possible, and (3) required to operate transparently.

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On Oct 23, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:

The trap of the ring.  Does anyone throw it away? I see less and less commitment to that but rather more "winning at any cost" strategy and once the price of pricinples has been paid, so has the commitment to bring freedom - and a belief that we will use the ring for good.  And no one ever does.

Always be sure we are trying to what n freedom to give it back to its rightful owners.

To everyone reading, are you?

-Caryn Ann

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 1:19 PM Steven Nekhaila <steven....@gmail.com> wrote:

You are right Stardchild, that slogan actually comes form Freedom Force International, the group that originally made me interested in engaging in politics in order to change the system. We need to wield power to protect freedom, but we also need to throw that power away once we hold it so it may not be abused, by anyone. An act of pure self-discipline.

Since joining the movement I am learning new Latin phrases all the time.

In Liberty,

Steven Nekhaila
Region 14 Representative

Libertarian Party of Florida

 

Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt

"Those without power cannot defend freedom"

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Starchild <sfdr...@earthlink.net> wrote:

I'm not familiar with the alleged threats, but resigning from the Florida LP does seem like an extreme step, Paul. If you believe excessive tolerance of white supremacists is a problem in the Florida LP, it sounds like your state party could use your counterbalancing voice in its leadership, as you provided when you ran against one such member in the U.S. Senate primary and handily prevailed. But if you do not have the stomach for it, I hope you find a better fit in one of the other state affiliate parties (you can generally affiliate with a different state party without living in that state).

Steven makes a good point about the need to stay focused, in the face of distractions like banality and political turbulence, on our goal of minimizing government and maximizing freedom.

Regarding your signature line Steven, when we're talking about political power let us also remember,

Libertatem tueri posse infidelium

"Power cannot be trusted to defend freedom."

And more classically,

Non venimus laudare Caesare, sed ad eum.

"We come not to praise Caeser, but to bury him."

Love & Liberty,

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On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:19 AM, <regi...@lpf.org> wrote:

Paul,

I think that you have seriously squandered your potential during your stint as regional representative. To the EC this ought to be a lesson that the more time we spend fighting each other the less time we spend fighting our common enemy, the State and its tyranny. To be effective we have to stick to our objective as a centrifugal force that keeps the collective momentum together. Nothing good comes fast nor easy in politics, to succeed in fighting for liberty requires absolute dedication to our goals during the banal and turbulent times that wish to distract us. I say that with a great sense of urgency. Results are the metric for success, and you don't get that by winning personal squabbles and being carried away with dramaticism.

In Liberty,

Steven Nekhaila
Region 14 Representative

Libertarian Party of Florida

Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt

"Those without power cannot defend freedom"

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Subject: Resignation From LPF
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Date: Sun, October 22, 2017 6:54 pm
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Marcos,

Due to the LPF Executive Committee's recent refusal to respond to threats targeting myself and others from Ryan Ramsey, a white supremacist leader, LPF county chair, LPF EC member, and candidate for Florida House, I hereby resign from all positions and membership within the Libertarian Party of Florida, as I can no longer in good faith continue to ask other Libertarians to support a party which allows its leaders to threaten and intimidate members while repeating violent white supremacist and anti-semitic rhetoric.

Libertarians deserve better than the Libertarian Party of Florida.

Please remove me from any mailing or membership lists and add me to the LPF's do not call list. I will not be responding to any email sent to this address.

In liberty,
Paul Stanton

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We defend your rights

And oppose the use of force

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In this matter I defer to the judgment of Florida's regional representative as he was elected to represent their interests.  

-Caryn Ann 

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:44 PM David Demarest <dprattd...@gmail.com> wrote:

My Libertarian tolerance does not extend to tolerating intolerance. Paraphrasing Barry Goldwater, "Tolerance in defense of intolerance is a vice." The burning question is how to effectively respond to both supremacist violence and non-violent 'bake the cake' intolerance.

History provides considerable evidence that even when intolerance degenerates into violence, economic and social ostracism is a more powerful remediation tool in the long run.

Giving top-down authoritarians our blanket permission to exercise the initiation of force to "defend" us from violent intolerance and right the moral wrong of non-violent intolerance clearly has not produced the desired result of freedom, nothing more, nothing less.

It might be instructive to learn from the lesson of Rosa Parks. Perhaps Paul Stanton's "dramatics" should be critiqued in the light of economic and social ostracism.

Thoughts?

~David Pratt Demarest