[Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-12: LPKY SCOTUS Appeal

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Sep 25, 2016, 3:08:06 PM9/25/16
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We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 5, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Katz, Harlos, Redpath, Hayes

Motion:  The LNC will allocate from Legal Offense $2000 to fund a petition for certiorari to the Supreme Court in the Kentucky Ballot Access case.


-Alicia

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Sep 25, 2016, 3:28:28 PM9/25/16
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I vote Yes.

Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
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Indianapolis IN 46260

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Sep 25, 2016, 3:30:16 PM9/25/16
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Yes

Daniel Hayes 
LNC At Large Member

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Sep 25, 2016, 3:51:05 PM9/25/16
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I'm going to want more information on this before I vote.  Sometimes there are quite strategic considerations to whether or not a particular case should be appealed, and those things should not be discussed in front of Democrats and Republicans on a public list.

I checked Ballot Access News and didn't see this case in the first three pages of articles.  Can someone post the link where I can get a little more detail so I'm not voting in the dark?

-Alicia


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I'm going to need a clarification on the two Kentucky ballots. The LNC has a Legal Offense Restricted Fund Account, which is from donations earmarked for that fund. We also have a Litigation line item in the budget. The Legal Offense Fund contains $25. The 2016 Budget has $5,559 left in the 75-Litigation line. However, the Litigation budget line also covers the appeal of the FEC lawsuit concerning contribution limits on bequests. E-mail ballot 2016-06 authorized $5000 from "Legal Offense budget line" for Arizona ballot access.

We have several options if the Kentucky motions pass:

Pay these out of the Legal Offense Fund, and wait for that restricted fund to get enough donations.

Transfer enough of the Unrestricted Cash to the Legal Offense Restricted Fund to fund the motions.

Pay these from the 75-Litigation line in the 2016 Budget, which would need to be increased.

Budgets get reset at the beginning of each year. If the funds are not needed until next year, we can include them in the 2017 Budget's 75-Litigation line.

Or give the Treasurer free reign to decide. (not my preference)


What is the intent of the mover of the motion?

Thanks,
Tim Hagan


From: Alicia Mattson <agma...@gmail.com>
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Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-12: LPKY SCOTUS Appeal

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 5, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Katz, Harlos, Redpath, Hayes

Motion:  The LNC will allocate from Legal Offense $2000 to fund a petition for certiorari to the Supreme Court in the Kentucky Ballot Access case.


-Alicia


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Sep 27, 2016, 12:55:47 PM9/27/16
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I vote yes on e-mail ballot 2016-12
Ed Marsh
Region 2 Rep
Florida,Georgia,Tennessee


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Here are the links from BAN on the KY ballot access case.  Unfortunately, we received word today that the petition to have it re-heard en banc was rejected by the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals.  I still think it would be wise for the LNC to hold an Executive Session meeting with Chris Wiest and Oliver Hall to have questions answered.
 
 
 
Case filed in federal court: 
 
 
 
 
Oral arguments:
 
 
 
Case expedited:
 
 
 
 
Appeal to 6th Circuit:
 
 
 
Filing for re-hearing en banc:
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
LPKY Judicial Committee

 

On 2016-09-25 15:50, Alicia Mattson wrote:

I'm going to want more information on this before I vote.  Sometimes there are quite strategic considerations to whether or not a particular case should be appealed, and those things should not be discussed in front of Democrats and Republicans on a public list.

I checked Ballot Access News and didn't see this case in the first three pages of articles.  Can someone post the link where I can get a little more detail so I'm not voting in the dark?

-Alicia

 
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Alicia Mattson <agma...@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 5, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Katz, Harlos, Redpath, Hayes

Motion:  The LNC will allocate from Legal Offense $2000 to fund a petition for certiorari to the Supreme Court in the Kentucky Ballot Access case.


-Alicia

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Sep 27, 2016, 10:43:43 PM9/27/16
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Alicia, I vote YES on e-mail ballot 2016-12

 

 

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-busine...@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Ed Marsh
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I vote yes on e-mail ballot 2016-12

Ed Marsh

Region 2 Rep

Florida,Georgia,Tennessee

 

From: Alicia Mattson <agma...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 3:07 PM
Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-12: LPKY SCOTUS Appeal

 

We have an electronic mail ballot.


Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 5, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Katz, Harlos, Redpath, Hayes

Motion:  The LNC will allocate from Legal Offense $2000 to fund a petition for certiorari to the Supreme Court in the Kentucky Ballot Access case.

-Alicia

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Sep 28, 2016, 1:52:58 PM9/28/16
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As Region 3 alternate, I vote aye on SCOTUS appeal.
 
 
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Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
LPKY Judicial Committee

 

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Sep 28, 2016, 4:01:19 PM9/28/16
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I vote yes.

Patrick McKnight
Region 8 Rep


On Sep 28, 2016 2:34 PM, "William Redpath" <wred...@gmail.com> wrote:
I vote Yes.  Bill Redpath

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Oct 3, 2016, 4:13:49 PM10/3/16
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I vote AYE.

Whitney Bilyeu
Region 7 Representative

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 9:22 PM, James Lark <jw...@eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:
Dear colleagues:

    I hope all is well with you.  I am writing in my capacity as Region 5 representative to vote "aye" on the motion.

    As always, thanks for your work for liberty.

    Take care,
    Jim

    James W. Lark, III
    Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
    University of Virginia

    Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
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On 9/25/2016 3:07 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 5, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Katz, Harlos, Redpath, Hayes

Motion:  The LNC will allocate from Legal Offense $2000 to fund a petition for certiorari to the Supreme Court in the Kentucky Ballot Access case.


-Alicia



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Oct 3, 2016, 11:28:35 PM10/3/16
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I vote yes.

Tim Hagan


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Oct 5, 2016, 5:20:35 AM10/5/16
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I abstain on this one.

Frankly, I don't feel I know enough to cast an educated vote.  Thank you, Ken, for the numerous links you provided to details about the case.  I read them and also looked at the linked briefs.  To a non-lawyer, Mr. Wiest seems to make pretty clear explanations of how outrageous the situation is, and seems to do a good job of debunking the counter-arguments.

Just being right isn't always enough to make a particular case well suited for a SCOTUS appeal.  The potential side effects of a stupidly adverse ruling have to be considered.  Right now the court is missing one judge, so it is being fairly cautious about which cases it will accept because of the high potential for 4-4 ties.  Does that increase the chances that we'll spend money to no avail because the court won't take the case?

Ken had suggested that perhaps we have a phone call with our legal advisors, but here we are at the end of the vote and we haven't had that conversation.  This is an example of what I said on a previous thread about the need to sometimes gather info prior to starting email ballots because the voting deadline comes whether or not you've received the information you wanted in the meantime.

When he's giving us such a bargain, I doubt that Mr. Wiest is inclined to waste his own time and effort on a case he doesn't believe can effect change.  That thought alone almost pushes me to vote, but not quite.

Without the minimum step of having a conversation with our legal counsel, I still feel like I'd be voting somewhat blindly, so I'm abstaining.

-Alicia





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Oct 5, 2016, 6:21:33 PM10/5/16
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I vote no. 

Joshua A. Katz
Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)

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Oct 7, 2016, 2:47:23 AM10/7/16
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Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below.

Voting "aye":  Bilyeu, Demarest, Goldstein, Hagan, Harlos, Hayes, Lark, Marsh, McKnight, Moellman, Redpath
 
Voting "nay":  Katz

Express Abstention:  Mattson

With a final vote tally of 11-1, the motion PASSES.

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