[Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-04: Amend Gun Rights Resolution

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We have an electronic mail ballot.
 
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 23, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Vohra, Harlos, Demarest
 
Motion:  amend the resolution adopted in Email Ballot 2016-03 as follows:

WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right; and

 

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition; and

 

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due process and denydenies the legitimacy of laws against “victimless "crimes”; and

 

WHEREAS, the governments in the United States have has steadily encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting access for to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full abrogate civil rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting access denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not been convicted of any crime; and

WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public regarding how Libertarians view these issues;

 

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being placed as a result of their name appearing on any a government watch or no-fly list, and reaffirms its call to repeal both our party's opposition to any further and oppose any existing or proposed regulations on firearms and ammunition as described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's pro-freedom stance.

-Alicia

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Aye

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In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Har...@LP.org

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus

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Thanks for adding the strikeouts I forgot to include in a couple places Alicia. You are very thorough!

I vote yes on the motion.

Love & Liberty,

                                 ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

                               (415) 625-FREE

On Aug 13, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:

We have an electronic mail ballot.
 
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 23, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Vohra, Harlos, Demarest
 
Motion:  amend the resolution adopted in Email Ballot 2016-03 as follows:

WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right; and 

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition; and

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due process and denydenies the legitimacy of laws against “victimless "crimes”; and

WHEREAS, the governments in the United States have has steadily encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting access for to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full abrogate civil rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting access denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not been convicted of any crime; and

WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public regarding how Libertarians view these issues;

 

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being placed as a result of their name appearing on any a government watch or no-fly list, and reaffirms its call to repeal both our party's opposition to any further and oppose any existing or proposed regulations on firearms and ammunition as described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's pro-freedom stance.

-Alicia

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I vote Aye on Email Ballot 2016-04 to “amend the resolution adopted in Email Ballot 2016-03”.

 

~David Pratt Demarest

Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (NE, IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, WI)

 

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-busine...@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-04: Amend Gun Rights Resolution

 

Aye

On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Alicia Mattson <agma...@gmail.com> wrote:

We have an electronic mail ballot.
 
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 23, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Vohra, Harlos, Demarest
 
Motion:  amend the resolution adopted in Email Ballot 2016-03 as follows:

WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right; and

 

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition; and

 

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due process and denydenies the legitimacy of laws against “victimless "crimes”; and

 

WHEREAS, the governments in the United States have has steadily encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting access for to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full abrogate civil rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting access denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not been convicted of any crime; and

 

WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public regarding how Libertarians view these issues;

 

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being placed as a result of their name appearing on any a government watch or no-fly list, and reaffirms its call to repeal both our party's opposition to any further and oppose any existing or proposed regulations on firearms and ammunition as described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's pro-freedom stance.

-Alicia

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Nay

On Aug 14, 2016 2:13 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agma...@gmail.com> wrote:

We have an electronic mail ballot.
 
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 23, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Vohra, Harlos, Demarest
 
Motion:  amend the resolution adopted in Email Ballot 2016-03 as follows:

WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right; and

 

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition; and

 

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due process and denydenies the legitimacy of laws against “victimless "crimes”; and

 

WHEREAS, the governments in the United States have has steadily encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting access for to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full abrogate civil rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting access denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not been convicted of any crime; and

WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public regarding how Libertarians view these issues;

 

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being placed as a result of their name appearing on any a government watch or no-fly list, and reaffirms its call to repeal both our party's opposition to any further and oppose any existing or proposed regulations on firearms and ammunition as described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's pro-freedom stance.

-Alicia

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No

Sam Goldstein

Libertarian National Committee

Member at Large

8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101

Indianapolis IN 46260

317-850-0726 Phone

317-582-1773 Fax

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Aye

On Aug 14, 2016 3:37 PM, "Brett Bittner" <brett....@lp.org> wrote:

I vote no in my capacity as Region 3 Representative.

Brett C. Bittner

Region 3 Representative 

Libertarian National Committee

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317.699.2611

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Brett Bittner <brett....@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote no in my capacity as Region 3 Representative.

Brett C. Bittner

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I vote no.

Tim Hagan

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From: Alicia Mattson <agma...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:12 PM
Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-04: Amend Gun Rights Resolution

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I vote No on Email Ballot 2016-04   Ed Marsh     Region 2 Rep

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From: Alicia Mattson <agma...@gmail.com>
To: lnc-bu...@hq.lp.org

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:12 AM

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Yes on Starchild's Amendment.

Daniel Hayes

LNC At Large Member

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I vote No.

Whitney Bilyeu

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Nay.

Patrick McKnight
Region 8 Rep

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I vote No.

 

Aaron Starr

(805) 583-3308 Home

(805) 404-8693 Mobile

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-busine...@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Alicia Mattson

Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:12 PM

To: lnc-bu...@hq.lp.org
Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-04: Amend Gun Rights Resolution

 

We have an electronic mail ballot.

 
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 23, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
 
Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Vohra, Harlos, Demarest
 
Motion:  amend the resolution adopted in Email Ballot 2016-03 as follows:

WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right; and

 

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition; and

 

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due process and denydenies the legitimacy of laws against “victimless "crimes”; and

 

WHEREAS, the governments in the United States have has steadily encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting access for to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full abrogate civil rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting access denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not been convicted of any crime; and

 

WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public regarding how Libertarians view these issues;

 

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being placed as a result of their name appearing on any a government watch or no-fly list, and reaffirms its call to repeal both our party's opposition to any further and oppose any existing or proposed regulations on firearms and ammunition as described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's pro-freedom stance.

-Alicia

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I vote no.

-Alicia

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Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below.

Voting "aye":  Demarest, Harlos, Hayes, Lark, Starchild, Vohra

 

Voting "nay":  Bilyeu, Bittner, Goldstein, Hagan, Katz, Marsh, Mattson, McKnight, Starr

With a final vote tally of 6-9, the motion did not meet the 3/4 vote threshold required by Bylaws Article 7.11 to adopt public policy resolutions, so it FAILS.

For 10 days there has been no objection to correcting the deny/denies grammatical error in the original version of email ballot 2016-03, so that has been approved.

-Alicia

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Alicia, I have a request for information.  It does not affect this, but it is for my education.  Does a motion to amend something previously adopted require the same 3/4?  Is there a Robert's reference for that?  Again, it doesn't matter here since it failed even by a simple majority, but I would like to know for future reference.

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In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Har...@LP.org

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus

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RONR states that ASPA takes a majority with notice, 2/3, or q majority of the entire membership. However, it also states (don't have the book with me so I can't give the exact words ) that the vote required for ASPA is at least what was required to adopt originally. Our SRO increasing the vote threshold, then, carries with it ASPA.

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Thank you Joshua, that makes a lot of sense.

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In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Har...@LP.org

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus

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If it did not work that way we could always get around the 3/4 vote by simply replacing an old public policy resolution with a new one.

Aaron Starr

Sent from my iPhone

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The motion to amend the public policy resolution is simply a proposal that we adopt a different public policy resolution, so it is still subject to the bylaw requirement for adopting public policy resolutions.

-Alicia

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Thank you every one, it makes perfect sense.