[Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] LPedia - request for Motion co-sponsors

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Okay I spoke with James, and here is a suggested Motion to get the ball rolling on this with minimal staff time:

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Move that an LPedia Historical Committee of three members be established with the first member to be James Gholston.  The Committee would have the authority to select a new hosting location for LPedia.org at a cost of up to $200 per year to be paid by the LNC and will have full access and control of the new hosting location along with the LNC.   At a date to be determined by the Committee, close LPedia.org to new edits and copy the MySQL database for LPedia.org, separating it out out if it is integrated with other databases.   The LNC will authorize solicitations to be made via LP News or other LP controlled outlets for Committee members and volunteers to duplicate the site, and the Committee may make recommendations or request additional funds if a database vendor needs to be retained to make this move. Upon successful transfer of the wiki to its new hosting location, LPedia.org and any alternate domain names are to point to the new location, and upon confirmation of success the legacy hosting location may be shut down. This database and all LPedia files and directories are to be given to a team of volunteers selected by the Committee who will be entrusted to set up and maintain LPedia.org in its new location, and the Committee will be dissolved.

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In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative 

(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)

Caryn.An...@LP.org

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Caryn,

I honestly have no idea what you are trying to accomplish with this motion.  You might want to go into the archives to review format and presentation of prior successful email ballot and then rewrite this a a motion with a separate rational.

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Sam Goldstein

Libertarian National Committee

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Separate rational?  The rationale is in the prior discussion.

I am more than happy to explain but not terribly certain it can reduced differently here.

The prior discussion is the background.

I would be curious if those who participated in the discussion are able to grok what this is getting at.

LPedia is a Party asset that has lied fallow and the Party does not have the time or resources to keep it up.  There is a volunteer willing to take this in and move to another server but they need the authority and funding to do so... This lays the groundwork for that.

[lnc-...@hq.lp.org]

So just propose a short, concise motion to that point.  I don't really see the urgency for this in an email ballot, it would probably be better to put it on the agenda for the upcoming LNC meeting for a 15-20 minute discussion.  It would be close to that date anyway if you can find co-sponsors and get an email ballot done anyway.

Sam

Sam Goldstein

Libertarian National Committee

Member at Large

8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101

Indianapolis IN 46260

317-850-0726 Phone

317-582-1773 Fax

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Good suggestion Sam.  And you are correct.  Thank you for your patience with me.  What needs to be done to get it put on the agenda?  I appreciate your mentorship.

In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative 

(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)

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About a week before the meeting Nick will send out a proposed agenda and a request for 

any additions.  That would be the time to ask for time to propose a motion about the future

of LPedia for whatever time you think you need.  I'd not try for more than 15-20 minutes.

You should also send your proposed motion in writing for inclusion on the agenda so it 

has a lower threshold for approval.  You will also need to have an idea of where in the budget

the money is going to come from for this effort.  With everything else going on from now until

November, I'd guess this is not going to be a high priority.  Post election might be a better 

time to bring it up.

Sam

Sam Goldstein

Libertarian National Committee

Member at Large

8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101

Indianapolis IN 46260

317-850-0726 Phone

317-582-1773 Fax

[lnc-...@hq.lp.org]

Thank you Sam.  And buried in the prior conversation is a potential for it to completely crash and lose data so there is a time factor though I realize that many may not agree.  I will attempt to get this on the next agenda.  It is years overdue.  If the body decides to put it off until after election, well at least I tried.  I promised some members I would try.

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To be clear though... if others wish to co-sponsor, I am more than willing to pursue this prior to the meeting to save time.  If I do not get the requisite co-sponsors, I will ask for it to be on the agenda.

One reason is that it seems I am put in a catch-22 here.  It isn't "urgent" enough for email vote... but it isn't "important" enough to put in a live meeting due to the election.  And I bet in December there will be something else.... which is why this has been neglected for years.

So I will take it any way I can get it.  I want this to get considered.  Our institutional knowledge is our legacy, and we have been poor stewards of it in the opinion of many members.

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Joshua Katz, kindly worked with me off-list to trim the Motion request down.  Here is the new proposed Motion for which I seek co-sponsors:

Motion:  To create a special LPedia Historical Committee, to consist of three members, with power to make all arrangements to transfer and maintain LPedia on an outside server.  Committee members will be granted all necessary access, and with power to select a team of volunteers, and to delegate tasks related to maintaining LPedia.org.  Further, to appoint James Gholston to said committee.  Finally, to direct that $200 annually be budgeted to maintaining LPedia.org.

[lnc-...@hq.lp.org]

 

Perhaps a less specific motion might be in order to give this new committee a broader mandate?

"Motion to create a Historical Committee, with 3 LNC and 2 non-LNC voting members and non-voting members to be appointed and to serve at the leisure of the voting members of the committee, to maintain a public archive all public party documents of political importance, and to allot to that committee a $200 budget for FY2016."

The idea behind this is that LPedia can be the platform used to archive all of this information, but it could also be something else if the committee finds a better tool for the job. Volunteers can be added and removed.

I think it's important to try to keep all committees uniform in their form, when reasonable to do so.  Creating committees with different forms makes things really confusing.  One of the things I did as chair of LPKY was to try to make the various creatures of the party uniform, so there was far less confusion.

I helped put a bunch of our previous platforms into LPedia. It's good information to have.  One of the things our party seems to lack is institutional knowledge. I support keeping LPedia alive. 

ken

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Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
LPKY Judicial Committee

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That is a VERY good suggestion Ken... though if we were creating a broader mandate, I would put in a slighter higher budget.  I like that idea a lot.  A whole lot.  Even if this gets too complicated for email vote, I think this is a good discussion to have to craft something to put on the agenda.  

We stink at institutional knowledge. 

[lnc-...@hq.lp.org]

 

If we get LPedia forklifted by December, I think that would be a success. I think we can always modify the budget to add more funds later if there are other cool projects to be done.

FYI - MediaWiki upgrades can be a real nightmare. I personally moved away from MediaWiki because I let mine get too old and the "jump through" versions needed to make it current weren't even available anymore.  I'm using FosWiki for LPKY. It is a branch of TkWiki from before it went commercial.  https://foswiki.org/

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Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
LPKY Judicial Committee

 

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If the Historical Committee is to be permanent, which I think it should be, then I suggest modifying the motion to add the committee to the Policy Manual. In particular, add the committee to the table in Section 1.03 and the committee's duties as a new subsection in Section 2.02.

Tim Hagan

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From: Ken Moellman <ken.mo...@lpky.org>
To: lnc-bu...@hq.lp.org
Cc: James Gholston <jam...@dimensionality.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] LPedia - request for Motion co-sponsors

[lnc-...@hq.lp.org]

From Tim Hagan:

==If the Historical Committee is to be permanent, which I think it should be, then I suggest modifying the motion to add the committee to the Policy Manual. In particular, add the committee to the table in Section 1.03 and the committee's duties as a new subsection in Section 2.02.==

That is also a good suggestion, but my lack of experience here is hindering me.  Since it seems apparent that this will be something I will be seeking to add to the agenda, I will take a look through the policy manual to see how other committees are outlines and try to see how this would work.

Any suggestions/ideas/input would be very welcome.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.mo...@lpky.org> wrote:

 

If we get LPedia forklifted by December, I think that would be a success. I think we can always modify the budget to add more funds later if there are other cool projects to be done.

FYI - MediaWiki upgrades can be a real nightmare. I personally moved away from MediaWiki because I let mine get too old and the "jump through" versions needed to make it current weren't even available anymore.  I'm using FosWiki for LPKY. It is a branch of TkWiki from before it went commercial.  https://foswiki.org/

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Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
LPKY Judicial Committee

 

On 2016-06-22 09:14, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:

That is a VERY good suggestion Ken... though if we were creating a broader mandate, I would put in a slighter higher budget.  I like that idea a lot.  A whole lot.  Even if this gets too complicated for email vote, I think this is a good discussion to have to craft something to put on the agenda.  

 

We stink at institutional knowledge. 

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.mo...@lpky.org> wrote:

[lnc-...@hq.lp.org]

Wholly agreed, Caryn and Ken! Especially the lack of readily accessible institutional knowledge. 

On the budgeting, I'm not sure what expense(s) $200/year was meant to cover, but I think that as a rule we should generally seek volunteers for tasks before appropriating money to them, or if the needs involve purchasing items, identify the items in question and any possibilities for getting them donated. 

Let's make LPedia a dynamic, crowdsourced wiki for the party. James expressed to me before that he could do a better job keeping up the website if he were given administrative access. Perhaps members of the Historical Committee, to which he's one possible appointee, could be granted this access and the Committee required to report regularly to the LNC on the status of the site.

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The $200 was for server space.  A committee could certainly try to get that donated but they need that budget in the event they could not.  I believe in seeking volunteers and donations whenever practicable - but there is also a point where we get so bogged down on that - kill the limited volunteer and staff resource we have trying to find volunteer and staff resource - that we end up doing nothing which is a worse stewardship of limited resources IMHO.

Caryn

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Caryn,

You would propose a motion to amend the policy manual (at *** section) to add a LNC History and Archive Committee (or whatever you want to call it) consisting of *** LNC or Alternate members and *** non-LNC members (to be appointed by the Chair, LNC or other Committee members).  The Committee Chair to be elected by the Committee members.  The duties of the committee will be....

That should work as a basis for the following discussion.

Sam

Sam Goldstein

Libertarian National Committee

Member at Large

8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101

Indianapolis IN 46260

317-850-0726 Phone

317-582-1773 Fax

[lnc-...@hq.lp.org]

Here's a suggestion for a motion.

Add to the table in Section 1.03, Subsection 1 of the Policy Manual:
Committee Name: Historical Committee
Size: Three party members
Member Selection: LNC
Chair Selection: Committee Selected

Add a new subsection to Section 2.02.

10) Historical Committee

The Historical Committee shall maintain a public archive of all public party documents of political importance. The Historical Committee may select volunteers to assist.

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From: Caryn Ann Harlos <carynan...@gmail.com>
To: Ken Moellman <ken.mo...@lpky.org>
Cc: lnc-bu...@hq.lp.org; James Gholston <jam...@dimensionality.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 5:28 AM

Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] LPedia - request for Motion co-sponsors

From Tim Hagan:

==If the Historical Committee is to be permanent, which I think it should be, then I suggest modifying the motion to add the committee to the Policy Manual. In particular, add the committee to the table in Section 1.03 and the committee's duties as a new subsection in Section 2.02.==

That is also a good suggestion, but my lack of experience here is hindering me.  Since it seems apparent that this will be something I will be seeking to add to the agenda, I will take a look through the policy manual to see how other committees are outlines and try to see how this would work.

Any suggestions/ideas/input would be very welcome.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.mo...@lpky.org> wrote:

 

If we get LPedia forklifted by December, I think that would be a success. I think we can always modify the budget to add more funds later if there are other cool projects to be done.

FYI - MediaWiki upgrades can be a real nightmare. I personally moved away from MediaWiki because I let mine get too old and the "jump through" versions needed to make it current weren't even available anymore.  I'm using FosWiki for LPKY. It is a branch of TkWiki from before it went commercial.  https://foswiki.org/

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Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
LPKY Judicial Committee