Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?

Rick Thomas

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2013/02/01 18:50:012013/02/01

To:

I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across
the chromebook C710 from Acer:
http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914

• Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz
• 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM)
• 11.6" HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD
• Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n
• Google Chome OS

Price $200.

Can't beat the price!

Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian
on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you
think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office?

Thanks!

Rick

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Gary Dale

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2013/02/02 0:00:012013/02/02

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On 01/02/13 06:48 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across
> the chromebook C710 from Acer:
> http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265
> or
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914
>

> ï¿½ Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz
> ï¿½ 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM)
> ï¿½ 11.6" HD Widescreen CineCrystalï¿½ LED-backlit LCD
> ï¿½ Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n
> ï¿½ Google Chome OS

>
> Price $200.
>
> Can't beat the price!
>
> Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian
> on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you
> think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rick
>

No guarantees but it would be a strange device that can't run Debian.
Chrome OS is another issue. It's an attempt to make the Chrome browser
into a platform. This merely removes the platform compatibility issue
from the operating system to the browser - just what we need.

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2013/02/02 4:30:022013/02/02

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On 02/02/2013 00:48, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across
> the chromebook C710 from Acer:
> http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265
> or
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914
>
> • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz
> • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM)
> • 11.6" HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD
> • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n
> • Google Chome OS
>
> Price $200.
>
> Can't beat the price!
>
> Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on
> it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of
> Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rick
>

You may have to wait a bit for full support on some models, see [1].

You will probably need bleeding edge software and kernel to get the most
out of it, newer than Wheezy's unless some patches are back-ported.
Installation isn't trivial either, you can see [2] for a walk-through
with a dedicated Ubuntu build.

[1]http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1302.0/00628.html

[2]
http://liliputing.com/2012/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-12-04-on-the-199-acer-c7-chromebook.html

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Lars Noodén

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2013/02/02 4:40:022013/02/02

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Also beware of the screen resolution. It might not be what you think it
is. I notice it is missing from the stats above.

Regards,
/Lars

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Bob

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2013/02/02 6:00:022013/02/02

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Good question I was mulling over the posibillty of getting an ARM based
Samsung Chromebook

> http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook.html#specs
> http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook

It looks like a real possibility

On 02/02/2013 07:48 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across
> the chromebook C710 from Acer:
> http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265
> or
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914
>

> ï¿½ Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz
> ï¿½ 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM)
> ï¿½ 11.6" HD Widescreen CineCrystalï¿½ LED-backlit LCD
> ï¿½ Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n

> ï¿½ Google Chome OS

>
> Price $200.
>
> Can't beat the price!
>
> Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on
> it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of
> Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rick
>

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Weaver

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2013/02/02 6:30:032013/02/02

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On Sat, February 2, 2013 2:37 am, Bob wrote:
> Good question I was mulling over the posibillty of getting an ARM based
> Samsung Chromebook
>
>> http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook.html#specs
>> http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook
>
> It looks like a real possibility

Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now.
Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and remove
any potential problems completely?

https://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/

Regards,

Weaver

>
>
>
> On 02/02/2013 07:48 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>>
>> I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across
>> the chromebook C710 from Acer:
>> http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265
>> or
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914
>>

>> • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz
>> • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM)
>> • 11.6" HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD
>> • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n

>> • Google Chome OS

>>
>> Price $200.
>>
>> Can't beat the price!
>>
>> Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on
>> it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of
>> Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
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Andrei POPESCU

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2013/02/02 13:50:022013/02/02

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On Sb, 02 feb 13, 03:28:39, Weaver wrote:
>
> Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now.
> Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and remove
> any potential problems completely?

As far as I know ChromeOS is Linux.

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Weaver

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2013/02/02 17:00:022013/02/02

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On Sat, February 2, 2013 10:41 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 02 feb 13, 03:28:39, Weaver wrote:
>>
>> Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now.
>> Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and
>> remove
>> any potential problems completely?
>
> As far as I know ChromeOS is Linux.

Sorry!
I should have qualified what I said.

There are many examples of this happening, with the new Samsung laptops,
right now and not just with Ubuntu.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1040557

I understand that Linus has issued a couple of fixes to the kernel, but
the Samsung firmware is still somewhat shaky.
Regards,

Weaver

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Miles Fidelman

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2013/02/02 17:20:022013/02/02

To:

On Sb, 02 feb 13, 03:28:39, Weaver wrote:
>>> Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now.
>>> Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and
>>> remove any potential problems completely?

This may be a silly question, but how exactly does one design a
general-purpose computer specifically to support Linux? That seems just
a bit backwards if you ask me.

Now, if you were to say: go for hardware for which hardware-specific
drivers already exist, that's another story.

Miles Fidelman

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Weaver

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2013/02/02 19:20:022013/02/02

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On Sat, February 2, 2013 2:17 pm, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On Sb, 02 feb 13, 03:28:39, Weaver wrote:
>>>> Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now.
>>>> Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and
>>>> remove any potential problems completely?
>
> This may be a silly question, but how exactly does one design a
> general-purpose computer specifically to support Linux? That seems just
> a bit backwards if you ask me.
>
> Now, if you were to say: go for hardware for which hardware-specific
> drivers already exist, that's another story.

And I can't see the difference.
Perhaps they also write drivers?
Regards,

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Rick Thomas

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2013/02/02 21:00:012013/02/02

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Thanks!

For myself those look great. But she is *extremely* price conscious.

Rick

On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:28 AM, Weaver wrote:

> Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and
> remove
> any potential problems completely?
>
> https://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/

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Rick Thomas

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2013/02/02 21:10:012013/02/02

To:

On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Lars Noodén wrote:

> Also beware of the screen resolution. It might not be what you
> think it
> is. I notice it is missing from the stats above.

Staples "technical details" section says this:

HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD Display (1366 x 768)
Intel HD Graphics chip
128MB Video Graphics Memory

So it's not a huge display (either in physical size or in pixel real-
estate) but for the price, it's acceptable.

However, the reports of firmware problems, mentioned by others in this
thread, are worrisome...

Rick

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Weaver

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2013/02/02 21:10:012013/02/02

To:

On Sat, February 2, 2013 5:51 pm, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> For myself those look great. But she is *extremely* price conscious.
>
> Rick
>
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:28 AM, Weaver wrote:
>
>> Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and
>> remove
>> any potential problems completely?
>>
>> https://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/

Well, yes, but they wouldn't be buying in the bulk that the large
operators would be, so wouldn't be able to command the price.
Probably also specification cases, which wouldn't be cheap either, but
all-in-all, an effort worth promoting, I think.

I first saw them a few years back, so they don't appear to be the usual
flash in the pan operation. On top of that, they appear to be expanding,
and doing that along the lines of a distributed, local, manufacturing
model also, which I think is interesting.
Cheers!

Weaver

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zxcvbob

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2013/02/02 22:30:022013/02/02

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Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across
> the chromebook C710 from Acer:
> http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265
> or
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914
>

> ï¿½ Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz
> ï¿½ 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM)
> ï¿½ 11.6" HD Widescreen CineCrystalï¿½ LED-backlit LCD
> ï¿½ Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n

> ï¿½ Google Chome OS

>
> Price $200.
> Can't beat the price!
>
> Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on
> it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think
> of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office?
> Thanks!

I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a SSD.
It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older netbook, but
good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old and from memory)
Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You will have to find a
"signed" installation distro and install it on the chromebook in
"Developer Mode."

Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few
commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any Linux
software. You can install free "apps" from the Google store.

It would be maddening as a primary computer, but I actually like it as a
web appliance, except there is no native printing support. (They
*really* should support CUPS) To print, you have to have a Windows or
Mac running as a network print server, or a few newer printers have a
built in Chrome-compatible print server.

HTH :-)
Bob

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Weaver

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2013/02/02 23:10:012013/02/02

To:

On Sat, February 2, 2013 7:06 pm, zxcvbob wrote:
> Rick Thomas wrote:
>>
>> I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across
>> the chromebook C710 from Acer:
>> http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265
>> or
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914
>>

>> • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz
>> • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM)
>> • 11.6" HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD
>> • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n

>> • Google Chome OS

>>
>> Price $200.
>> Can't beat the price!
>>
>> Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on
>> it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think
>> of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office?
>> Thanks!
>
> I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a SSD.
> It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older netbook, but
> good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old and from memory)
> Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You will have to find a
> "signed" installation distro and install it on the chromebook in
> "Developer Mode."
>
> Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few
> commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any Linux
> software. You can install free "apps" from the Google store.
>
> It would be maddening as a primary computer, but I actually like it as a
> web appliance, except there is no native printing support. (They
> *really* should support CUPS) To print, you have to have a Windows or
> Mac running as a network print server, or a few newer printers have a
> built in Chrome-compatible print server.

Thanks for the word!

If you get to the recyclers, you can get some great deals.
I've had this laptop, about ten years old, an HP Compaq nx6120.
Debian installed natively on it, then I ran PC-BSD on it, now I'm
installing Debian testing on it, with Debian-Med and a few other packages
for a local charity nurse and giving it to her.
I think I paid something like $100 for it originally, about four years
ago, and it has never put a pixel wrong.
Nothing wrong with an old machine in good nick.
Regards,

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Chris Bannister

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2013/02/03 0:20:022013/02/03

To:

On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:06:55PM -0600, zxcvbob wrote:
> I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a
> SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older
> netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old
> and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You
> will have to find a "signed" installation distro and install it on
> the chromebook in "Developer Mode."
>
> Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few
> commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any
> Linux software. You can install free "apps" from the Google store.

I presume the device can't be rooted. :( But if so, this may be worth a
look:

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=linux&c=apps&=en_GB

At least 1,000 results

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Mark Allums

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2013/02/03 1:00:012013/02/03

To:

> From: Chris Bannister [mailto:cbann...@slingshot.co.nz]

> On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:06:55PM -0600, zxcvbob wrote:
> > I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a
> > SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older
> > netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old
> > and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You
> > will have to find a "signed" installation distro and install it on
> > the chromebook in "Developer Mode."
> >
> > Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few
> > commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any
> > Linux software. You can install free "apps" from the Google store.
>
> I presume the device can't be rooted. :( But if so, this may be worth a
> look:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=linux&c=apps&=en_GB
>
> At least 1,000 results

It's been done. I don't know which specific model, but you can use
developer mode in some to achieve root, and from then on, you can do what
you like.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=root+chromebook

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zxcvbob

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2013/02/03 1:50:012013/02/03

To:

Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:06:55PM -0600, zxcvbob wrote:
>> I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a
>> SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older
>> netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old
>> and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You
>> will have to find a "signed" installation distro and install it on
>> the chromebook in "Developer Mode."
>>
>> Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few
>> commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any
>> Linux software. You can install free "apps" from the Google store.
>
> I presume the device can't be rooted. :( But if so, this may be worth a
> look:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=linux&c=apps&=en_GB
>
> At least 1,000 results
>

It is possible, but it's not easy. I tried installing a Linux distro
(don't remember which one) from a thumb drive in Developer Mode and the
BIOS recognized it but would not boot it because it wasn't signed.
Google has some way of allowing developer self-signing, but I never
looked into how that works.

Bob

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Andrei POPESCU

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2013/02/03 4:30:022013/02/03

To:

On Sb, 02 feb 13, 18:04:31, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD Display (1366 x 768)
> Intel HD Graphics chip
> 128MB Video Graphics Memory
>
> So it's not a huge display (either in physical size or in pixel

> real-estate) but for the price, it's acceptable.

I wonder what pixel real-estate can do for you. As far as I'm concerned,
if the DPI is reasonable[1] the size of the screen will be the limiting
factor.

[1] my Thinkpad has 129x127, which is good enough for me. According to
my calculations the Chromebook should have a slightly higher DPI

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Andrei POPESCU

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2013/02/03 4:40:022013/02/03

To:

On Sb, 02 feb 13, 21:06:55, zxcvbob wrote:
>
> I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a
> SSD. It should run Debian just fine;

Beware of the graphics, the integrated chips of newer Atoms are not
supported by the usual intel driver.

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Miles Fidelman

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2013/02/03 8:30:022013/02/03

To:

Mark Allums wrote:
>> From: Chris Bannister [mailto:cbann...@slingshot.co.nz]
>> On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:06:55PM -0600, zxcvbob wrote:
>>> I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a
>>> SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older
>>> netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old
>>> and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You
>>> will have to find a "signed" installation distro and install it on
>>> the chromebook in "Developer Mode."
>>>
>>> Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few
>>> commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any
>>> Linux software. You can install free "apps" from the Google store.
>> I presume the device can't be rooted. :( But if so, this may be worth a
>> look:
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=linux&c=apps&=en_GB
>>
>> At least 1,000 results
> It's been done. I don't know which specific model, but you can use
> developer mode in some to achieve root, and from then on, you can do what
> you like.

Google
chromebook "developer mode"
and you'll find lots of detailed instructions, including this one:
https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoswikisite/home/what-s-new-in-dev-and-beta/developer-mode
which goes on to describe how to how to install Ubuntu (not quite
Debian, but close) and dual-boot it with ChromeOS

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Bob Proulx

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2013/02/05 3:50:022013/02/05

To:

zxcvbob wrote:
> It is possible, but it's not easy. I tried installing a Linux
> distro (don't remember which one) from a thumb drive in Developer
> Mode and the BIOS recognized it but would not boot it because it
> wasn't signed. Google has some way of allowing developer
> self-signing, but I never looked into how that works.

The readers of this thread might find this blog posting interesting.

Don't like Secure Boot? Don't buy a Chromebook.
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22465.html

Bob

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Stefan Monnier

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2013/02/05 9:20:012013/02/05

To:

Which reminds me of a question I have about these braindead "secure"
booting systems: has any company (Google/Miscrosoft/younameit) actually
shown evidence that there are attacks out there in the wild that
subvert/replace the OS's boot sequence?

I mean, I'm willing to believe there are such attacks out there, but in
order to justify all this pain, they had better be very widespread and
very nasty, yet I haven't heard much about such things.

So I'd love to see a list of, say, "attacks we have seen in the past and
which would have been prevented by SecureBoot".

Stefan

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Weaver

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2013/02/05 10:50:012013/02/05

To:

On Tue, February 5, 2013 6:14 am, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> It is possible, but it's not easy. I tried installing a Linux
>>> distro (don't remember which one) from a thumb drive in Developer
>>> Mode and the BIOS recognized it but would not boot it because it
>>> wasn't signed. Google has some way of allowing developer
>>> self-signing, but I never looked into how that works.
>> The readers of this thread might find this blog posting interesting.
>> Don't like Secure Boot? Don't buy a Chromebook.
>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22465.html
>
> Which reminds me of a question I have about these braindead "secure"
> booting systems: has any company (Google/Miscrosoft/younameit) actually
> shown evidence that there are attacks out there in the wild that
> subvert/replace the OS's boot sequence?
>
> I mean, I'm willing to believe there are such attacks out there, but in
> order to justify all this pain, they had better be very widespread and
> very nasty, yet I haven't heard much about such things.
>
> So I'd love to see a list of, say, "attacks we have seen in the past and
> which would have been prevented by SecureBoot".

Probably none.
I'm satisfied, in my own mind, that this is more about market control than
any aesthetic concern for market requirement on the part of Microsoft.
And a prelude to eventual legislation.
They've always worked in well with their political friends.

Regards,

Weaver

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Nate Bargmann

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2013/02/05 11:00:022013/02/05

To:

I have no knowledge of the Chromebook than from that presented by Matt
Garrett. From his explanation, the BIOS erases user data when its
secure mode is disabled. So long as it's not easy to do accidentally, I
actually think this is a feature for its target market segment. If that
is implemented along with encryption of the user data (I don't know, is
it?), it seems a valuable feature if the Chromebook is lost or stolen.

Perhaps I don't see the greater threat posed by the security mechanism
employed by the Chromebooks which is a purpose built computer than UEFI
which is targeted at all future offerings and is, IMO, a greater
concern. In other words, I can avoid buying a Chromebook but I doubt I
can avoid UEFI once my current hardware needs upgrading.

- Nate

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Tom H

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2013/02/05 22:20:012013/02/05

To:

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Stefan Monnier <mon...@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>
>> The readers of this thread might find this blog posting interesting.
>> Don't like Secure Boot? Don't buy a Chromebook.
>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22465.html
>
> Which reminds me of a question I have about these braindead "secure"
> booting systems: has any company (Google/Miscrosoft/younameit) actually
> shown evidence that there are attacks out there in the wild that
> subvert/replace the OS's boot sequence?
>
> I mean, I'm willing to believe there are such attacks out there, but in
> order to justify all this pain, they had better be very widespread and
> very nasty, yet I haven't heard much about such things.
>
> So I'd love to see a list of, say, "attacks we have seen in the past and
> which would have been prevented by SecureBoot".

AFAIK, BIOS/MBR rootkits such as:

http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=2143

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Tom H

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2013/02/05 22:30:012013/02/05

To:

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Nate Bargmann <n0...@n0nb.us> wrote:
>
> I have no knowledge of the Chromebook than from that presented by Matt
> Garrett. From his explanation, the BIOS erases user data when its
> secure mode is disabled. So long as it's not easy to do accidentally, I
> actually think this is a feature for its target market segment. If that
> is implemented along with encryption of the user data (I don't know, is
> it?), it seems a valuable feature if the Chromebook is lost or stolen.
>
> Perhaps I don't see the greater threat posed by the security mechanism
> employed by the Chromebooks which is a purpose built computer than UEFI
> which is targeted at all future offerings and is, IMO, a greater
> concern. In other words, I can avoid buying a Chromebook but I doubt I
> can avoid UEFI once my current hardware needs upgrading.

MJG's point is that the ChromeBook's implementation of SB's more
restrictive than that of Win8 hardware manufacturers because the
latter allow you to install and run Fedora/OpenSUSE/Ubuntu (or any
other SB-compatible distribution) with SB whereas the ChromeBook
doesn't.

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