Richard's Page Title Enhancements

[orware]

I believe Richard is the guy over at Joomlatwork.com, and I was just
thinking about 1.6 and how Richard's been updating his patches for
improved Page Titles for a while, and that they never made it into the
final version of 1.5 for one reason or another:
http://www.joomlatwork.com/docman/cat_view/51.html

Are they going to be included in 1.6?

I used to install them on my 1.5 sites, but then it made me a little
bit more wary when I had to upgrade Joomla and I just feel it would be
better if they were available to everyone since it does a very nice
job of allowing for more flexible page titles (among other things).

[elin]

I don't know if Richard has offered that patch to be included in the
core; I don't see it in the feature patch tracker (and have never seen
it in the 1.5 tracker as far as I remember). I do know that Amy and
some other people have been working on page titles. Amy has patches in
the 1.5 tracker related to this.

Elin

[Amy Stephen]

Thanks for this reminder to find those three patches and get them back out. I'll post here, again, when they are available.

[Omar Ramos]

At one point, in one of the Joomla 1.5 builds they had been included but like I said they were taken out of the final build (I don't know why, but maybe Louis or Johan might remember). He's always offered them freely on his website, but I was just thinking about it again since I saw some of the GSoC projects were wanting to add improvements as well.

[Ercan Özkaya]

Amy, could you please wait for a day or two before creating a patch
for com_config? Because I'm currently refactoring it to use JForm.
I'll let you know as soon as I commit it. (I will probably be done by
this time tomorrow)

On 2 Apr, 13:23, Amy Stephen <amystep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for this reminder to find those three patches and get them back out.
> I'll post here, again, when they are available.
>

[Amy Stephen]

I need until next week, anyway. Thanks Ercan. Ping me when you are ready for it. Thanks!

[Gary Brooks]

I have been using the Joomatwork patch myself since 1.5 came out and
wondered myself why it was not part of the core of Joomla.
It would be nice to see the ability to enter a separate title tag into
the system right above the meta.

On 3 Apr, 19:02, Amy Stephen <amystep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need until next week, anyway. Thanks Ercan. Ping me when you are ready for
> it. Thanks!
>

[Spiderglobe]

Hi Gary and others,

We (from Joomlatwork) are willing to help and contribute the core team
to include the SEF patch code into the Joomla core. This we have
offered for the 1.5 releases and the offer still stands for Joomla
1.6.

To help you we need access to the SVN repository of 1.6 or we can
apply a patch for this.

With this patch feature we can increase the SEO functionality as it
should be in a CMS based system.

Please note also that this implies that the administrator will gain
full access to configure the META output to the HEAD section and the
physical http response headers. Meaning:

- Define META data fields and the content (for example the ability to
remove the generator tag)
- Define the pshysical repsonse headers (setting for example the last
modified date and the cache related headers and P3P settings.
- Add functionality for keyword suggestions in relation to the content
(including the yahoo api functionality as a plugin for the article
editors sections, see http://developer.yahoo.com/search/content/V1/termExtraction.html

Regards,

Richard

[Wilco Jansen]

Hi Richard,

 

The offer is more then welcome. What we want people to do is provide a patch as described in the blogs. You can create a patchfile by doing a local checkout, implement the SEO changes and create a patch file (create patch in SVN clients), attach it to the 1.6 feature patch tracker.

 

This way we will be able to determine if the patch follows all coding guidelines and fits into the architectural standards we have, and also can do some testing. Can you provide this patch so it can be looked in to?

 

Thanks in advance, Wilco
 

[Spiderglobe]

Great news! This means no more creating patch files each time a new
Joomla release is made.

Do you want it for J1.5x releases or for J1.6 release?

About the J1.5x release this could have some impact in the current way
the META data is handled but I can probably make a workaround for it.

Also note that some structure of the XML files for the definitions
will change, since these XML definition files will need to be updated
dynamically when an ADMIN adds a custom field in the META XML
definition file.

I will work this out and pass the code with a patch to you, maybe we
can then have somekind of skype session to tell you about the
adjustments made.

Regards.

Richard

On 8 Apr, 11:49, Wilco Jansen <jansen.wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> The offer is more then welcome. What we want people to do is provide a patch
> as described in the blogs. You can create a patchfile by doing a local
> checkout, implement the SEO changes and create a patch file (create patch in
> SVN clients), attach it to the 1.6 feature patch tracker.
>
> This way we will be able to determine if the patch follows all coding
> guidelines and fits into the architectural standards we have, and also can
> do some testing. Can you provide this patch so it can be looked in to?
>
> Thanks in advance, Wilco
>

[Wilco Jansen]

Hi Richard,

 

The development coordinators have been discussing this. It depends on the actual quality of the patch, but we consider adding this to 1.5. This is arbitrary since we are in maintenance and don't add all kinds of new features, but if it is possible we would like to see a patch for 1.5 and 1.6.

 

Regards, Wilco
 

On 4/8/09, Spiderglobe <spide...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Gary Jay Brooks]

I have been patching Joomla using Richards patch for the last year all
the way since 1.5 came out.
I have it on over 200 production domains with no complaints. The
only thing I get from clients are thank you notes.

Joomla 1.5 has been lacking these small SEO features that make it a
little more Google friendly.
This will also bring us much closer to WordPress SEO features. We
have been missing out on these standard features for so long its hard
to imagine that we might soon
have a perfect Open Source CMS ready for SEO.

@Wilco Thanks so much! I hope this time it does not fall dead in
the patch world.

[Wilco Jansen]

The provided patches for the SEO changes are core-hacks and not patches in terms of development. What we mean with patches are the unified diffs that can be used in Subversion environments. We need patches we can apply in subversion and not the patch files as they are provided currently.

When provided we will try as hard as possible to get it in, do code review, validate it and also do proper testing...might not be a surprise, but we really would like to see patches to go in the codebase ;-)

 

Regards, Wilco

[Steve]

Interesting discussion.

Trying to remember all the way back to 2007 ..... If memory serves,
this patch very nearly made 1.5. I blogged about it in the early 1.5
days when it looked as if it would make it:
http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-15/great-seo-improvements-in-joomla-15/
In the end I think it got postponed partly to include it as a planned
overhaul of of the menu manager.

Anyway, maybe it will have better luck in 1.6. It would be useful
addition.

[Steve]

[Amy Stephen]

Steve -

A couple of months ago I asked on list if you would review the SEF patches for 1.6. Did you get a chance to do that?

If I remember correctly, your response was about URLs.

Would you like to review these patches, again? It would be helpful!

Amy :)