Ladakh flora 5. UP

[ushaprabha page]

id pl, of the shrub with fruits.

can it be Daphne retusa ?

ushaprabha.

[gurinder goraya]

Dears,

It seems to be some species of Lonicera....

Regards,

Dr. G S Goraya

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[ushaprabha page]

thanks Dr, Goraya for the cue,

ushaprabha.

On 29 August 2016 at 09:13, gurinder goraya <guri...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dears,

It seems to be some species of Lonicera....

Regards,

Dr. G S Goraya

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On 29-Aug-2016, at 9:03 AM, ushaprabha page <ushapra...@gmail.com> wrote:

id pl, of the shrub with fruits.

can it be Daphne retusa ?

ushaprabha.

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

It seems to be some species of Lonicera.... Regards, Dr. G S Goraya

Pl. check with comparative images of Lonicera  In particular, Lonicera webbiana Wall. ex DC. (Images by Anzar A. Khuroo) & Lonicera obovata Royle ex Hook. f. & Thomson (Images by Dinesh Valke (1,2), Gurcharan Singh (3) and Suresh Rana (4))

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

It seems to be some species of Lonicera.... Regards, Dr. G S Goraya

Pl. check with comparative images of Lonicera

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Date: 29 August 2016 at 09:03
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id pl, of the shrub with fruits.

can it be Daphne retusa ?

ushaprabha.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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From: C CHADWELL
Date: 24 September 2016 at 04:24
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:250356] Ladakh flora 5. UP
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

I agree that the images are of a Lonicera in fruit - though the final photo

does not fully match the first two.

Have always found Lonicera a difficult genus identification-wise.

Dickore & Klimes list 7 Lonicera species in Ladakh:

L.asperifolia, L.caerulea, L.heterophylla, L.microphylla, L.obovata L.semenovii and

L.spinosa.

Cannot match the images with what information I have on these species at this stage. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

http://www.shpa.org.uk/

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Date: 3 September 2016 at 09:03
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Cc: ushaprabha page <ushapra...@gmail.com>, gurinder <guri...@hotmail.com>

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

It seems to be some species of Lonicera.... Regards, Dr. G S Goraya

Pl. check with comparative images of Lonicera  In particular, Lonicera webbiana Wall. ex DC. (Images by Anzar A. Khuroo) & Lonicera obovata Royle ex Hook. f. & Thomson (Images by Dinesh Valke (1,2), Gurcharan Singh (3) and Suresh Rana (4))

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id pl, of the shrub with fruits.

can it be Daphne retusa ?

ushaprabha.

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Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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From: C CHADWELL
Date: 25 September 2016 at 00:51
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:250356] Ladakh flora 5. UP
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Have taken a quick look at the Kew herbarium site.  There are no specimens

to view of two of the Lonicera species recorded from Ladakh.  Of the others, 4

do not come close to the images taken by ushaprabha. 

However, Lonicera semenovii looks a possibility.  Unfortunately, the images are not at

a resolution that permits close inspection of the foliage, so cannot be more than speculative.

Whilst digitised images of herbarium specimens are useful, they have their limitations, in the typical

way they are done.  One can learn much more from close inspection in person of quality herbarium

sheets, whose identification can be relied upon.  Some of the digitised images available on the Kew

Herbarium site are of 19th Century collections - which vary in quality and sometimes their age means

features have deteriorated somewhat.

Another thing to bear in mind is that when searching for a particular species, the original names on the pressed specimens are

used - which may be out-of-date, so unless you know the older synonyms, you may struggle to find the

images you are after.  Or it may be that specimens of the species you are looking for have not been digitised yet.

Whilst Kew has millions of specimens, it does not examples of every species from India - nor have they all been digitised.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

http://www.shpa.org.uk/

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Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016, 4:32
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Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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From: C CHADWELL
Date: 24 September 2016 at 04:24
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:250356] Ladakh flora 5. UP
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

I agree that the images are of a Lonicera in fruit - though the final photo

does not fully match the first two.

Have always found Lonicera a difficult genus identification-wise.

Dickore & Klimes list 7 Lonicera species in Ladakh:

L.asperifolia, L.caerulea, L.heterophylla, L.microphylla, L.obovata L.semenovii and

L.spinosa.

Cannot match the images with what information I have on these species at this stage. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

http://www.shpa.org.uk/

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

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Cc: ushaprabha page <ushapra...@gmail.com>

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji, for your efforts.

I think you are right. Pl. see images at

http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/48074.html

http://www.holubec.wbs.cz/10-2013-Kazakhstan-Kyrgyzstan.html

http://www.mobot.org/mobot/PakistanImages/174-Caprifoliaceae/Lonicera_semenovii.jpg

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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[ushaprabha page]

As far as remember all three photos are of the same plant,

I also remember faintly that there were plants of Leh berry-Hippophae tibetina near by.

Now the the id of the sp.is required pl.

thanks to all of you.

ushaprabha.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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From: C CHADWELL
Date: 25 September 2016 at 18:12
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:250356] Ladakh flora 5. UP
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Thanks for sending the links.  The first two I had not seen.  They certainly

seem to match OK - so Lonicera semenovii looks promising. 

The characteristics of the leaf margins fit.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

http://www.shpa.org.uk/

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Sent: Sunday, 25 September 2016, 6:02

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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