Tree for ID/ABDEC27

[Ashwini Bhatia]

This tree is growing near my house. It is about 20 feet tall. Please help identify it. Could it be a Symplocos?

Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1750m

11 December 2014

Thanks.

Ashwini

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[J.M. Garg]

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Some earlier relevant feedback:

Symplocos - species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)

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Date: 12 December 2014 at 16:30
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[Ashwini Bhatia]

A couple of days ago I photographed more trees of the same species again. The bark is always dark with light spots. I checked at least 4-5 different trees. The colour of the leaves can vary between very deep green to lighter green but barks and berries are the same. I am putting in a couple of additional pictures here. Together with earlier pictures in this thread, can we attempt to identify it. 

It’s more likely a Symplocos species as discussed earlier. I will be grateful for any advice.

Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1800m

2 January 2016

Thanks.

Ashwini

On 28 Dec 2014, at 16:50, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

	Symplocos - species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)

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Date: 12 December 2014 at 16:30
Subject: [efloraofindia:208827] Tree for ID/ABDEC27
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This tree is growing near my house. It is about 20 feet tall. Please help identify it. Could it be a Symplocos?

Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1750m

11 December 2014

Thanks.

Ashwini

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Thanks, Kishan ji.

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From: Kishanlal
Date: 14 January 2016 at 18:52
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:208827] Tree for ID/ABDEC27
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

It looks like Neolitsea umbrosa

Krishan lal

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Mr Garg. I think my photos were insufficient for Krishan Lal ji to conclude that. I had assumed that they will be seen together with my earlier photos in the thread. I will repost this tree with photos showing different characteristics in one mail later.

We also have Neolitsea pallens which has long, narrow and entire leaves which are slightly cyan blue underneath. I am compiling photographs for that species too but I do not have a single photo of its berries so I may have to wait.

Thank you once again.

Regards,

Ashwini

Thanks, Kishan ji.

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On 28 Dec 2014, at 16:50, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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From: "Vaneet Jishtu" <vjis...@gmail.com>
Date: 20 Jan 2016 19:37
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:208827] Tree for ID/ABDEC27
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:

According to me it is not Symplocos but a member of the
Lauraceae...maybe Neolitsea

On 1/14/16, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Forwarding again for Id assistance  please.
>
> Some earlier relevant  feedback:
>
> Symplocos

> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/symplocaceae/symplocos>

> -
> species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/
> regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)
>
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> From: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>
> Date: 7 January 2016 at 20:08
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:208827] Tree for ID/ABDEC27
> To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
> Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>
>
> A couple of days ago I photographed more trees of the same species again.
> The bark is always dark with light spots. I checked at least 4-5 different
> trees. The colour of the leaves can vary between very deep green to lighter
> green but barks and berries are the same. I am putting in a couple of
> additional pictures here. Together with earlier pictures in this thread,
> can we attempt to identify it.
>

> It’s more likely a *Symplocos* species as discussed earlier. I will be

> grateful for any advice.
>
> Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
> 1800m
> 2 January 2016
>
> Thanks.
> Ashwini
>
>

> On 28 Dec 2014, at 16:50, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
> Some earlier relevant feedback:
> Symplocos

> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/symplocaceae/symplocos>

> -
> species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/
> regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>
> Date: 12 December 2014 at 16:30
> Subject: [efloraofindia:208827] Tree for ID/ABDEC27
> To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>
>
> This tree is growing near my house. It is about 20 feet tall. Please help

> identify it. Could it be a *Symplocos*?

>
> Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
> 1750m
> 11 December 2014
>
> Thanks.
> Ashwini
>
> <IMG_1576_11Dec14.jpg><IMG_1577_11Dec14.jpg><IMG_1578_11Dec14.jpg>
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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise  please.

Some earlier relevant  feedback:

It looks like Neolitsea umbrosa Krishan lal

According to me it is not Symplocos but a member of the Lauraceae... may be Neolitsea- from Vaneet Jishtu ji

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From: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>

Date: 7 January 2016 at 20:08
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:208827] Tree for ID/ABDEC27
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Mr Ganesan. I now strongly suspect it to be Symplocos lucida. The leaves do not smell like the Neolitsea but I haven’t verified the yellowing of fallen leaves yet. I will update soon.

Regards,

Ashwini

On 26 Jan 2016, at 17:07, Rengaian Ganesan <rgan...@atree.org> wrote:

It should be Symplocos sp. Fruits in the picture clearly shows that it could be Symplocos. Leaves in the picture do not show tri-nerved condition, a characteristic feature of Neolitsea. The leaves of Symplocos may not smell aromatic or pleasant. Fallen leaves of Symplocos will be yellow in color. 

thank you

regards

R.Ganesan

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:28 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise  please.

Some earlier relevant  feedback:

It looks like Neolitsea umbrosa Krishan lal

According to me it is not Symplocos but a member of the Lauraceae... may be Neolitsea- from Vaneet Jishtu ji

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From: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>
Date: 7 January 2016 at 20:08
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:208827] Tree for ID/ABDEC27
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

A couple of days ago I photographed more trees of the same species again. The bark is always dark with light spots. I checked at least 4-5 different trees. The colour of the leaves can vary between very deep green to lighter green but barks and berries are the same. I am putting in a couple of additional pictures here. Together with earlier pictures in this thread, can we attempt to identify it. 

It’s more likely a Symplocos species as discussed earlier. I will be grateful for any advice.

Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1800m

2 January 2016

Thanks.

Ashwini

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[Rengaian Ganesan]

It should be Symplocos sp. Fruits in the picture clearly shows that it could be Symplocos. Leaves in the picture do not show tri-nerved condition, a characteristic feature of Neolitsea. The leaves of Symplocos may not smell aromatic or pleasant. Fallen leaves of Symplocos will be yellow in color. 

thank you

regards

R.Ganesan

[J.M. Garg]

A reply in another thread by Tapas ji:

"Your posts perfectly mach with the description of the species."

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Date: 7 January 2016 at 20:08
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:208827] Tree for ID/ABDEC27
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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i.e. Symplocos lucida

[J.M. Garg]

As per Taxonomic revision of the Symplocos nakaharae complex (Symplocaceae) with special reference to fruit morphology by Bo LIU Hai-Ning QIN- Journal of Systematics and Evolution 51 (1): 94–114 (2013), Symplocos lucida (Thunberg) Siebold & Zuccarini, S. kuroki Nagam. and Symplocos theifolia D. Don, all are accepted species with only Symplocos theifolia D. Don found in our area.

So our tree is Symplocos theifolia D. Don only with syn. as per efi page at Symplocos theifolia

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