Aristolochia gigantea :: TMC Biodiversity Park

Dinesh Valke

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Apr 23, 2018, 12:14:04 PM4/23/18

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Date: April 22, 2018 ... Altitude: about 15 m (50 feet) asl

Aristolochia gigantea Mart.

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Apr 23, 2018, 11:55:02 PM4/23/18

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Thanks, Dinesh ji

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J.M. Garg

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May 10, 2018, 6:34:12 AM5/10/18

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Hi, Dinesh ji,

We do not have this species in efi site.

It looks similar to Aristolochia elegans Mast. in efi site.

Pl. check.

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Dinesh Valke

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May 10, 2018, 8:18:41 AM5/10/18

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Checked leaves of both species; they look alike. Let us wait for flowering.

ID of Aristolochia gigantea got from the gardener.

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Dinesh

srihari reddy

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May 10, 2018, 8:53:06 AM5/10/18

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I have similar collection from Hyderabad, aug2016. Srihari Reddy.

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srihari reddy

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May 10, 2018, 8:59:50 AM5/10/18

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But inflorescence is different, may be Cissampelos sp.

J.M. Garg

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May 10, 2018, 9:21:15 AM5/10/18

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Are the bract like thing also look similar between these two species?

On Thu 10 May, 2018, 5:48 PM Dinesh Valke, <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Checked leaves of both species; they look alike. Let us wait for flowering.
ID of Aristolochia gigantea got from the gardener.
Regards.
Dinesh

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Hi, Dinesh ji,
We do not have this species in efi site.
It looks similar to Aristolochia elegans Mast. in efi site.
Pl. check.

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TMC Biodiversity Park Thane
Date: April 22, 2018 ... Altitude: about 15 m (50 feet) asl

Aristolochia gigantea Mart.

Regards.
Dinesh

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Dinesh Valke

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May 10, 2018, 9:21:33 AM5/10/18

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But I am not able to see inflorescence in the my posted images.

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J.M. Garg

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May 10, 2018, 9:22:03 AM5/10/18

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Yes, Srihari ji's plant is different.

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May 10, 2018, 9:24:00 AM5/10/18

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Srihari's images do not have bract like thing you have.

Dinesh Valke

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May 10, 2018, 9:27:03 AM5/10/18

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OK, Garg ji. Will return to the post when I find this plant in flowering. Had gone with gardener's ID.

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Dinesh

J.M. Garg

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May 18, 2018, 8:08:46 AM5/18/18

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I could get the differences between the closely elated species from Lucid Central as below:

Dutchman's pipe (Aristolochia elegans) is similar to several closely related introduced species that have also become naturalised in Australia, including pelican flower (Aristolochia grandiflora), fragrant Dutchman's pipe (Arsitolochia odoratissima) and gaping Dutchman's pipe (Aristolochia ringens). It is also very similar to the cultivated giant dutchman's pipe (Aristolochia gigantea) which is often confused with pelican flower (Aristolochia grandiflora) in the horticultural industry. These species can be distinguished by the following differences:

Dutchman's pipe (Aristolochia elegans) has a small ear-like structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each leaf stalk. Its flowers are relatively large and broad (up to 7.5 cm long and 10 cm wide) and its relatively large fruit (4-6 cm long and about 2.5 cm wide) are oblong in shape with a short projection (about 10 mm long) at the tip.
giant dutchman's pipe (Aristolochia gigantea ) does not have a small ear-like structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each leaf stalk. Its flowers are very large and broad (up to 30 cm long and 20 cm wide) and its relatively large fruit (up to 8 cm long and 3 cm wide) are oblong in shape with a very short projection at the tip.
pelican flower (Aristolochia grandiflora) does not have a small ear-like structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each leaf stalk. Its flowers are very large (up to 25 cm long) with a very elongated projection at the base of the flower (i.e. appendix) 20-50 cm long. Its very large fruit are oblong in shape (about 10 cm long and 4-6 cm wide).
fragrant Dutchman's pipe (Arsitolochia odoratissima) has a small ear-like structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each leaf stalk. Its flowers are relatively large and broad (6-12 cm wide) and its moderately large fruit (4.5-8 cm long and 1-1.5 cm wide) are oblong in shape and slightly curved.
gaping Dutchman's pipe (Aristolochia ringens) has a small ear-like structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each leaf stalk. Its flowers are relatively large and narrow (10-25 cm long) and are split into an upper and lower lobe.

On 10 May 2018 at 18:51, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Are the bract like thing also look similar between these two species?

On Thu 10 May, 2018, 5:48 PM Dinesh Valke, <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Checked leaves of both species; they look alike. Let us wait for flowering.
ID of Aristolochia gigantea got from the gardener.
Regards.
Dinesh

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:04 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Dinesh ji,
We do not have this species in efi site.
It looks similar to Aristolochia elegans Mast. in efi site.
Pl. check.

On 23 April 2018 at 21:44, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

TMC Biodiversity Park Thane
Date: April 22, 2018 ... Altitude: about 15 m (50 feet) asl

Aristolochia gigantea Mart.

Regards.
Dinesh

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Dinesh Valke

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May 19, 2018, 12:34:54 AM5/19/18

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Thanks Garg ji.

The posted plant, clearly has a conspicuous ear-like structure (auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each leaf stalk. Thus, as per keys, will be not A. gigantea.

I suggest we also pay heed to the fruits which are different looking among the above listed species.

Will return to this post when I find the plant in flowering as well as fruiting.

Regards.

Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 23, 2019, 10:39:25 PM1/23/19

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Thanks Garg ji for the keys and analysis.

Updating this post with the concluded ID ... Aristolochia elegans Mast. ... as per discussion in another post.

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Jan 24, 2019, 10:32:51 AM1/24/19

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Thanks very much, Usha di.

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dinesh

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Saroj Kumar Kasaju

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Jan 25, 2019, 5:15:57 AM1/25/19

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Waiting for flower Dinesh Ji.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jan 27, 2019, 7:35:54 AM1/27/19

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:) Yes Saroj ji ... I have not been lately to this park. I have however seen flowering of Aristolochia elegans in another garden of Thane, and posted its pictures in this post. The chief gardener takes care of both parks. But some day I hope to get pictures of flowers from this site.

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